YumYum74 wrote:I think it is too early to tell. You'd need at least a couple of weeks to see how this will develop. Perhaps studios that so far have (mostly) kept their prices reasonable will increase them as well. I'd say try this poll in two or three weeks when we have more data to go on.
YumYum74 wrote:I think it’s also safe to say that the inflation explanation is becoming increasingly unlikely.
The prices for Angelo and Giorgio have gone up AGAIN.
YumYum74 wrote:The prices for Angelo and Giorgio have gone up AGAIN. Angelo just under 12 tickets, Gio a little over. If I were a cynic...
dap-addict wrote:YumYum74 wrote:The prices for Angelo and Giorgio have gone up AGAIN. Angelo just under 12 tickets, Gio a little over. If I were a cynic...
But still the got 1 vote each here!
Well maybe GIO got his for trying to explain what happens in that first meanwhile closed thread.
Anyway, in terms of de facto fairness for those paying in tickets GIO is the worst. AGO price could be higher because there is 1 stud more to pay, its a TAP and Eveline Dellai sure isn't very cheap. I list this because the basic old LP rule of fairly passing on investments into each scene to the users does still apply for most core studios. Only IV never adhered that rule.
Thus if I see a cynic today its Giorgio Grandi and here calculation may be that by pushing the ticket price even higher its easier to lower it a bit later - but still get 35% more.
dap-addict wrote:YumYum74 wrote:The prices for Angelo and Giorgio have gone up AGAIN. Angelo just under 12 tickets, Gio a little over. If I were a cynic...
But still the got 1 vote each here!
Well maybe GIO got his for trying to explain what happens in that first meanwhile closed thread.
Anyway, in terms of de facto fairness for those paying in tickets GIO is the worst. AGO price could be higher because there is 1 stud more to pay, its a TAP and Eveline Dellai sure isn't very cheap. I list this because the basic old LP rule of fairly passing on investments into each scene to the users does still apply for most core studios. Only IV never adhered that rule.
Thus if I see a cynic today its Giorgio Grandi and here calculation may be that by pushing the ticket price even higher its easier to lower it a bit later - but still get 35% more.
avanfurwet wrote:YumYum74 wrote:I think it is too early to tell. You'd need at least a couple of weeks to see how this will develop. Perhaps studios that so far have (mostly) kept their prices reasonable will increase them as well. I'd say try this poll in two or three weeks when we have more data to go on.
I also think it is too early for customers to assess the consequences for studios of the devaluation of our tickets.
dap-addict wrote:Interesting, so many votes for NRX suddenly!
And they actually had next 1on1 scene published and sold for 9tkt or more, which is over 40% higher price than beginning of April!
lemmy123 wrote:They offer monthly subscription for a fair price
Oscar Batty wrote:Sources from my above comment : viewtopic.php?f=96&t=41089&p=631111#p631111
Oscar Batty wrote: I did not have a clue as well because the studios did not increase their prices but the conversion of the tickets prices changed. XXX explained it in the locked thread as a conclusion. I actually think this thread is really misleading.
DAP-addict you are very wrong here. I will explain this to you. When the studio set prices, they set it in us dollars not in tickets. Studios dont see tickets but this is what you guys see.
Let me give you an example before the changes, I charge 6 usd for 1on1 scenes. It used to give 4 tickets
at the momennt I am still charging 6 usd for 1on1 scenes but you guys see 5.4 tickets
if you want me to sell you the scene at 4 tickets as previously, I will have to put the 1on1 scene to cost less than 4 usd. Do you get it now?
YumYum74 wrote:Oscar Batty wrote: I did not have a clue as well because the studios did not increase their prices but the conversion of the tickets prices changed. XXX explained it in the locked thread as a conclusion. I actually think this thread is really misleading.
DAP-addict you are very wrong here. I will explain this to you. When the studio set prices, they set it in us dollars not in tickets. Studios dont see tickets but this is what you guys see.
Let me give you an example before the changes, I charge 6 usd for 1on1 scenes. It used to give 4 tickets
at the momennt I am still charging 6 usd for 1on1 scenes but you guys see 5.4 tickets
if you want me to sell you the scene at 4 tickets as previously, I will have to put the 1on1 scene to cost less than 4 usd. Do you get it now?
The point is that apart from this so called "ticket conversion" for you nothing has changed, and for PB nothing has changed. But for the rest of us, out of the blue our money (in ticket form) has lost 30-40% of its value on this site. That might not be a big deal to you, but for us that is a HUGE change for the worse.
Oscar Batty wrote:I did not have a clue as well because the studios did not increase their prices but the conversion of the tickets prices changed. XXX explained it in the locked thread as a conclusion. I actually think this thread is really misleading.
DAP-addict you are very wrong here. I will explain this to you. When the studio set prices, they set it in us dollars not in tickets. Studios dont see tickets but this is what you guys see.
DPraved wrote:PonBox cut the purchasing power of its users by 30% and as a consequence will cut the sales for content producers by a similar amount, yet still pays producers the same amount as before for each scene sold. It seems to me everyone got screwed here.
Yes, I think we all understand that the devaluation is fully the decision of Pornbox. I don't think that fact changes anything I wrote?DPraved wrote:Oscar just said that they put their price in dollars and that he hasn't changed his price in dollars. The devaluation of tickets is fully the blame of PornBox.
avanfurwet wrote:Yes, I think we all understand that the devaluation is fully the decision of Pornbox.
Starrio wrote:Oscar Batty is correct. In the locked up thread I mentioned that it wasn't the studios' fault, it was all done by Pornbox wanting to make more money from tickets. Pornbox is the one screwing studios and making them look bad. It is not the producers that have any guilt this time. The evil here is Pornbox getting greedy.
Giorgio Grandi wrote:Starrio wrote:Oscar Batty is correct. In the locked up thread I mentioned that it wasn't the studios' fault, it was all done by Pornbox wanting to make more money from tickets. Pornbox is the one screwing studios and making them look bad. It is not the producers that have any guilt this time. The evil here is Pornbox getting greedy.
This is totally not correct.
PB gives to producers >100% of what the scene generates. So technically, increasing the conversion rate between tkt and USD, PB increased the value of the content to offer more revenue to the producers.
Regarding what is a fair studio, the topic is very complex and it is not connected to the price in tkt to the production cost.
A studio that shoot a scene that has a production cost of 4000$ at 10 tkt is more fair than a studio that has a production cost of 1500$, and sell the content at 7.5tkt.
This is something connected to where the content is produced (in some country is much cheaper to produce content, lets say 1/3 or even 1/4.
avanfurwet wrote:Giorgio Grandi wrote:Starrio wrote:Oscar Batty is correct. In the locked up thread I mentioned that it wasn't the studios' fault, it was all done by Pornbox wanting to make more money from tickets. Pornbox is the one screwing studios and making them look bad. It is not the producers that have any guilt this time. The evil here is Pornbox getting greedy.
This is totally not correct.
PB gives to producers >100% of what the scene generates. So technically, increasing the conversion rate between tkt and USD, PB increased the value of the content to offer more revenue to the producers.
Regarding what is a fair studio, the topic is very complex and it is not connected to the price in tkt to the production cost.
A studio that shoot a scene that has a production cost of 4000$ at 10 tkt is more fair than a studio that has a production cost of 1500$, and sell the content at 7.5tkt.
This is something connected to where the content is produced (in some country is much cheaper to produce content, lets say 1/3 or even 1/4.
I'm fairly sure PB is not a registered charity and does not pay to the studios more income than they generate by sales.
But if I understood correctly, Giorgio appears to be confirming that studios will receive some more money per sale as a result of the devaluation of tickets.
If so, at least the price increase is being shared out between PB and the studios in some measure.
And we customers will never know how much their sales volume has fallen as a result of increased prices. So maybe they are all making bigger profits, or not.
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Regarding what is a fair studio:
I think Giorgio's example about some studios with low production costs only works if the product is comparable and the number of copies sold is the same for both his "10 tkt" studio and the "7.5 tkt" studio.
However, if a "cheap" low-budget studio expects to sell many fewer copies than a big-budget "expensive" studio (like Grandi), then the picture changes again.
Also this situation existed before and after the 35% devaluation of tickets, and I think it is a different question.
The truth is we customers do not know who is making a "fair" profit. We can only judge a "fair" price by comparison with other (not exactly similar) scenes available from other studios here and on other websites.
I think it's generally a good thing that there are more studios selling on PB because over time the studios with the best, most competitive product will survive and thrive.
Currently some studios, especially those controlled by PB owners, are still selling some or all their scenes at pre-devaluation ticket rates. So the playing field is not level and we can only guess their intentions.
Giorgio Grandi wrote:So, I released GIO2084 with the intention to track really deeply the audience behavior to understand is a lower price make really a difference in sales.
The point is only this, I hope you understand
dap-addict wrote:Giorgio Grandi wrote:So, I released GIO2084 with the intention to track really deeply the audience behavior to understand is a lower price make really a difference in sales.
The point is only this, I hope you understand
Giorgio, I think you want to proof to yourself with GIO2084 (https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/127270) that it doest work.
But we both know that this girl is a special interest girl not a mainstream beauty.
dap-addict wrote:But look, if with 35% less ticket value (after conversion to $$) you could be sustainable and make some profit all over 2021, so why in 2022 you need to generate so much more profit?
Starrio wrote:Oscar Batty is correct. In the locked up thread I mentioned that it wasn't the studios' fault, it was all done by Pornbox wanting to make more money from tickets. Pornbox is the one screwing studios and making them look bad. It is not the producers that have any guilt this time. The evil here is Pornbox getting greedy.
ADMIN EDIT : this person doesn't know what they are talking about at all. No one is screwing studios. Pornbox isn't benefiting in any way with this change. We are only pricing content more accurately. Studios want high prices, not Pornbox, and if extra money is made it's for them.
Giorgio Grandi wrote:I can assure you, if you consider the running cost of PB (servers, billing, programming etc), PB maybe starts to get profit after 3 year a scene is online. You need to consider PB as a long term investor investor and distributor.
Giorgio Grandi wrote:The platform, believe me, is much more fair to content creator than anyone else.
Giorgio Grandi wrote:I thought about all this metter a lot of time in the past days and I think for us to decrease the price in $, that brings to decrease your price in tkt, is basically a devaluation of the content, not a revaluation of the tickets (as it is for you).
Do not get me wrong, I do not mean it will be something unsustainable, it means to decrease the price means to decrease the value of the content.
Giorgio Grandi wrote:In the last days we coded a script inside my own statistic, outside the control panel provided from PB, to better follow what a scene does after being released. I hope this tool will give me some data to compare the output of the scene. One think you really need to understand is I have the suspect a lower price could maybe boost a bit sales in the first or second day the scene is released, but wont matter much in the following days as the scene has less visibility. So, as the content has less visibility, I suspect less sales at higher prices gives a better result.
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