POLL: Fairest studio after 35% tkt price rise of 15th April?

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Most fair studio after 35% tkt price rise of 15th April 2022'

Poll ended at Mon May 30, 2022 5:39 pm

gonzo
12
20%
GIO/GL/XfreaX
9
15%
NRX
16
26%
Yummy
6
10%
AGO (Angelo Godshack Original)
3
5%
PAF (Pissing and Anal Fantasy)
6
10%
VK
2
3%
NTP (Natasha Teen Productions)
5
8%
LTP (Latin Teen Productions)
2
3%
N&F
0
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POLL: Fairest studio after 35% tkt price rise of 15th April?

Postby dap-addict » Wed Apr 20, 2022 5:39 pm

Which studio was most fair to you as loyal consumer paying now more (if you pay in tickets, like most of us do) for their content?
Fairness can be coming here in forum with explanation or with price. But please remember money isn't everything, communication is also important!

Please share your experiences!
Thanks! :)

Attention: Poll runs until May 20th and might be extended.
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Re: Most fair studio after 35% tkt price rise of 15.4.22?

Postby dap-addict » Wed Apr 20, 2022 5:43 pm

Btw, included only studios shooting currently and shooting anal hardcore porn in gonzo style, not vanilla style like PornWorld or Private.

Otherwise I'd choose this nice price studio shooting mainly 2007/8: https://pornbox.com/application/studio/391
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Re: Most fair studio after 35% tkt price rise of 15th April?

Postby YumYum74 » Wed Apr 20, 2022 9:36 pm

I think it is too early to tell. You'd need at least a couple of weeks to see how this will develop. Perhaps studios that so far have (mostly) kept their prices reasonable will increase them as well. I'd say try this poll in two or three weeks when we have more data to go on.

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Re: Most fair studio after 35% tkt price rise of 15th April?

Postby avanfurwet » Thu Apr 21, 2022 9:22 am

YumYum74 wrote:I think it is too early to tell. You'd need at least a couple of weeks to see how this will develop. Perhaps studios that so far have (mostly) kept their prices reasonable will increase them as well. I'd say try this poll in two or three weeks when we have more data to go on.

I also think it is too early for customers to assess the consequences for studios of the devaluation of our tickets.

I'm not sure if studios are (yet) actively managing their pricing to respond to the changes in ticket rates.

I'm not sure if studios even understand what has been done, or what this means for their pricing, or their expectations for numbers of copies they can sell at the new rates, and consequently for their expectations of total income they can generate from each scene.

The early forum feedback from PAF and NRX suggests that the changes were not well understood or even expected by the studios.

Both PAF and NRX said they have tried to respond after scenes were released and to match their previous pricing, but with unexpected results.

NRX's Aliska Dark release on 15 April is currently priced at $10.45 but the new exchange rate makes it more expensive in tkts than NRX releases on 13 and 19 April for c.$12 each, which are both around 8 tkts because the old exchange rate has been applied. Who knows why? Is it because the Aliska scene was shot more recently?

PAF's Miriam More scene released on 17 April seems to be priced currently at an "in between" rate of $1.23 per tkt, which may possibly be the result of the studio trying to change the price on the system, and getting unexpected results?

I think we can give NRX and PAF credit for trying to respond and trying to manage their prices. But we don't yet know how this will play out.

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Re: POLL: Fairest studio after 35% tkt price rise of 15th April?

Postby YumYum74 » Thu Apr 21, 2022 9:28 am

I think it’s also safe to say that the inflation explanation is becoming increasingly unlikely.

The prices for Angelo and Giorgio have gone up AGAIN. Angelo just under 12 tickets, Gio a little over. If I were a cynic, I’d say that after a week of inflated prices they’ve checked the numbers, and decided to push the envelop a little further to see how much they could squeeze out of it.

That said, I applaud NRX for keeping reasonable prices so far (the Aliska Wild scene not withstanding). Let’s see how long that lasts.

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Re: POLL: Fairest studio after 35% tkt price rise of 15th April?

Postby avanfurwet » Thu Apr 21, 2022 9:56 am

YumYum74 wrote:I think it’s also safe to say that the inflation explanation is becoming increasingly unlikely.

The prices for Angelo and Giorgio have gone up AGAIN.

The cost inflation explanation for a sudden 35% price hike was never credible. But I guess some level of inflation is real and it's a part of the larger picture.

I don't know if there's enough evidence yet to say whether GIO and AGO raised their prices again. Different scenes are hard to compare exactly when they feature different girls at different rates, different numbers of actors, different acts, different running times, etc. etc.

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Re: POLL: Fairest studio after 35% tkt price rise of 15th April?

Postby YumYum74 » Thu Apr 21, 2022 10:14 am

Maybe so. Just thought it was hardly a coincidence that it happened with two scenes from two different studios on one day. But you could be right, let’s wait and find out. At the moment I’m distrustful of everything going on over here.

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Re: POLL: Fairest studio after 35% tkt price rise of 15th April?

Postby dap-addict » Thu Apr 21, 2022 2:05 pm

YumYum74 wrote:The prices for Angelo and Giorgio have gone up AGAIN. Angelo just under 12 tickets, Gio a little over. If I were a cynic...

But still the got 1 vote each here! :mad:
Well maybe GIO got his for trying to explain what happens in that first meanwhile closed thread.

Anyway, in terms of de facto fairness for those paying in tickets GIO is the worst. AGO price could be higher because there is 1 stud more to pay, its a TAP and Eveline Dellai sure isn't very cheap. I list this because the basic old LP rule of fairly passing on investments into each scene to the users does still apply for most core studios. Only IV never adhered that rule.

Thus if I see a cynic today its Giorgio Grandi and here calculation may be that by pushing the ticket price even higher its easier to lower it a bit later - but still get 35% more. ;)
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Re: POLL: Fairest studio after 35% tkt price rise of 15th April?

Postby avanfurwet » Thu Apr 21, 2022 4:15 pm

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YumYum74 wrote:The prices for Angelo and Giorgio have gone up AGAIN. Angelo just under 12 tickets, Gio a little over. If I were a cynic...

But still the got 1 vote each here! :mad:
Well maybe GIO got his for trying to explain what happens in that first meanwhile closed thread.

Anyway, in terms of de facto fairness for those paying in tickets GIO is the worst. AGO price could be higher because there is 1 stud more to pay, its a TAP and Eveline Dellai sure isn't very cheap. I list this because the basic old LP rule of fairly passing on investments into each scene to the users does still apply for most core studios. Only IV never adhered that rule.

Thus if I see a cynic today its Giorgio Grandi and here calculation may be that by pushing the ticket price even higher its easier to lower it a bit later - but still get 35% more. ;)

I guess that once studios have figured out Pornbox's new exchange rate for tickets, they can move their USD and ticket prices up or down in lockstep, assuming that payout rates to studios per ticket exchanged are also linked in a fixed relationship.

But they need a pretty good crystal ball to foresee the effect of price changes on sales volumes and consequently on total income from sales of their scenes. Maybe they have to experiment a little to understand the effects. In which case, there could be ongoing price volatility.

And for now, the new exchange rate seems to apply to most scenes, except when it doesn't.

Which is all very confusing.

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Re: POLL: Fairest studio after 35% tkt price rise of 15th April?

Postby avanfurwet » Thu Apr 21, 2022 4:15 pm

dap-addict wrote:
YumYum74 wrote:The prices for Angelo and Giorgio have gone up AGAIN. Angelo just under 12 tickets, Gio a little over. If I were a cynic...

But still the got 1 vote each here! :mad:
Well maybe GIO got his for trying to explain what happens in that first meanwhile closed thread.

Anyway, in terms of de facto fairness for those paying in tickets GIO is the worst. AGO price could be higher because there is 1 stud more to pay, its a TAP and Eveline Dellai sure isn't very cheap. I list this because the basic old LP rule of fairly passing on investments into each scene to the users does still apply for most core studios. Only IV never adhered that rule.

Thus if I see a cynic today its Giorgio Grandi and here calculation may be that by pushing the ticket price even higher its easier to lower it a bit later - but still get 35% more. ;)

I guess that once studios have figured out Pornbox's new exchange rate for tickets, they can move their USD and ticket prices up or down in lockstep, assuming that payout rates to studios per ticket exchanged are also linked in a fixed relationship.

But they need a pretty good crystal ball to foresee the effect of price changes on sales volumes and consequently on total income from sales of their scenes. Maybe they have to experiment a little to understand the effects. In which case, there could be ongoing price volatility.

And for now, the new exchange rate seems to apply to most scenes, except when it doesn't.

Which is all very confusing.

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Re: Most fair studio after 35% tkt price rise of 15th April?

Postby dap-addict » Sat Apr 23, 2022 10:43 am

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YumYum74 wrote:I think it is too early to tell. You'd need at least a couple of weeks to see how this will develop. Perhaps studios that so far have (mostly) kept their prices reasonable will increase them as well. I'd say try this poll in two or three weeks when we have more data to go on.

I also think it is too early for customers to assess the consequences for studios of the devaluation of our tickets.

Poll is open again!
I just prolonged it for 30 more days.
Its sure an ongoing process and yes, sadly, maybe prices will rise even more next 30 days, but lets keep voting and monitoring situation.
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Re: Most fair studio after 35% tkt price rise of 15th April?

Postby dap-addict » Sun Apr 24, 2022 4:26 am

Interesting, so many votes for NRX suddenly!
And they actually had next 1on1 scene published and sold for 9tkt or more, which is over 40% higher price than beginning of April! :confused:
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Postby lemmy123 » Sun Apr 24, 2022 3:35 pm

dap-addict wrote:Interesting, so many votes for NRX suddenly!
And they actually had next 1on1 scene published and sold for 9tkt or more, which is over 40% higher price than beginning of April! :confused:

They offer monthly subscription for a fair price

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Postby dap-addict » Mon Apr 25, 2022 7:12 am

lemmy123 wrote:They offer monthly subscription for a fair price

Yep, that will be only remaining option.
Also for other studios.

And those who dont offer that will get bankrupt maybe. Its way crazy whats happening after GIO put tkt price for Silvia Dellai WakaWaka up by 35% again after just a few hours normal price at 8tkt for a 4on1 DAP. :mad: :confused:
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Re: POLL: Fairest studio after 35% tkt price rise of 15th April?

Postby magizi87 » Tue Apr 26, 2022 2:22 am

from what I understand reading to what GG and XXX explained earlier,
not even the studios have the slightest clue how much a scene will cost to the end user
and the real value of tkt are as confusing to them as it is to us.

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What I think is the most hillarious is that the "pornbox" decided to change the way tkt are exchanged back to dollars,
without telling anyone involved.

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Postby Oscar Batty » Tue Apr 26, 2022 6:07 am

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Oscar Batty wrote:Sources from my above comment : viewtopic.php?f=96&t=41089&p=631111#p631111


You get paid the same, but I get less for my money. In the end, my prices have gone up substantially. I guess this is one way to slowly get rid of the ticket system.
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Re: POLL: Fairest studio after 35% tkt price rise of 15th April?

Postby YumYum74 » Tue Apr 26, 2022 8:23 am

Oscar Batty wrote: I did not have a clue as well because the studios did not increase their prices but the conversion of the tickets prices changed. XXX explained it in the locked thread as a conclusion. I actually think this thread is really misleading.

DAP-addict you are very wrong here. I will explain this to you. When the studio set prices, they set it in us dollars not in tickets. Studios dont see tickets but this is what you guys see.

Let me give you an example before the changes, I charge 6 usd for 1on1 scenes. It used to give 4 tickets
at the momennt I am still charging 6 usd for 1on1 scenes but you guys see 5.4 tickets

if you want me to sell you the scene at 4 tickets as previously, I will have to put the 1on1 scene to cost less than 4 usd. Do you get it now?



The point is that apart from this so called "ticket conversion" for you nothing has changed, and for PB nothing has changed. But for the rest of us, out of the blue our money (in ticket form) has lost 30-40% of its value on this site. That might not be a big deal to you, but for us that is a HUGE change for the worse.

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Postby i.soriano » Tue Apr 26, 2022 8:26 am

Seriously, pricing has gone .. and in the past you had your "free ticket scenes" after two years. Changed as well.

I bought my NRX monthly subscription.

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Re: POLL: Fairest studio after 35% tkt price rise of 15th April?

Postby YumYum74 » Tue Apr 26, 2022 8:46 am

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Oscar Batty wrote: I did not have a clue as well because the studios did not increase their prices but the conversion of the tickets prices changed. XXX explained it in the locked thread as a conclusion. I actually think this thread is really misleading.

DAP-addict you are very wrong here. I will explain this to you. When the studio set prices, they set it in us dollars not in tickets. Studios dont see tickets but this is what you guys see.

Let me give you an example before the changes, I charge 6 usd for 1on1 scenes. It used to give 4 tickets
at the momennt I am still charging 6 usd for 1on1 scenes but you guys see 5.4 tickets

if you want me to sell you the scene at 4 tickets as previously, I will have to put the 1on1 scene to cost less than 4 usd. Do you get it now?



The point is that apart from this so called "ticket conversion" for you nothing has changed, and for PB nothing has changed. But for the rest of us, out of the blue our money (in ticket form) has lost 30-40% of its value on this site. That might not be a big deal to you, but for us that is a HUGE change for the worse.


I should add that if this was really about an inflation correction, prices might have changed 10-15% and most if not all of us would have understood. So for your example: if the price of that 4 ticket scene had increased to 4.5-4.6 tickets, we would have collectively said 'oh well, inflation, what are you gonna do'. By changing it not 10-15% but 35-40% a lot of people here are getting the impression this is nothing more than an ordinary money grab.

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Re: POLL: Fairest studio after 35% tkt price rise of 15th April?

Postby dap-addict » Tue Apr 26, 2022 8:49 am

Oscar Batty wrote:I did not have a clue as well because the studios did not increase their prices but the conversion of the tickets prices changed. XXX explained it in the locked thread as a conclusion. I actually think this thread is really misleading.

DAP-addict you are very wrong here. I will explain this to you. When the studio set prices, they set it in us dollars not in tickets. Studios dont see tickets but this is what you guys see.

Yes, I understand, but its also what we pay.
And it means for all of us who buy more tickets than we get allocated by subscription (usually 48tkt per month) that we have to buy tickets more often and PB will actually get more money by that. You as studio get the same amount, but they as distributor get more. And we as customers need to pay more - average 35% to be precise.

Also, gonzo after ticket devaluation lowered their ticket price again, and some studios did the same, also AGO could lower it a bit, IF it still pays back investments for him that is.

Third, I read from other studios that studios were not consulted or alerted before about that devaluation. But effect you have to pay because users will buy less. Is this fair? (fair towards you? / fair towards us?)
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Postby DPraved » Tue Apr 26, 2022 9:14 am

PonBox cut the purchasing power of its users by 30% and as a consequence will cut the sales for content producers by a similar amount, yet still pays producers the same amount as before for each scene sold. It seems to me everyone got screwed here. :rolleyes:
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Postby avanfurwet » Tue Apr 26, 2022 10:01 am

DPraved wrote:PonBox cut the purchasing power of its users by 30% and as a consequence will cut the sales for content producers by a similar amount, yet still pays producers the same amount as before for each scene sold. It seems to me everyone got screwed here. :rolleyes:

You may be right. Really, the only thing we customers know is that the prices we pay in tkts increased by 35%.

I don't think we know how far the sales numbers will fall as a result of the 35% price increase. Maybe they will fall by more than 35%, or less?

And we don't know whether studios are still paid the same amount. Maybe they are paid a fixed amount per ticket and get more money because 35% more tickets are paid by customers for new scenes?

Does this offset the fall in numbers of copies sold? We customers have no idea.

Possibly the studio owners have chosen not to say too much when fans ask them about all this?

It's hard to imagine that studio owners really have no clue how many copies of their scenes are being sold and how much money they expect to receive.

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Postby DPraved » Tue Apr 26, 2022 10:17 am

Oscar just said that they put their price in dollars and that he hasn't changed his price in dollars. The devaluation of tickets is fully the blame of PornBox.
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Postby avanfurwet » Tue Apr 26, 2022 10:40 am

DPraved wrote:Oscar just said that they put their price in dollars and that he hasn't changed his price in dollars. The devaluation of tickets is fully the blame of PornBox.
Yes, I think we all understand that the devaluation is fully the decision of Pornbox. I don't think that fact changes anything I wrote?

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Re: POLL: Fairest studio after 35% tkt price rise of 15th April?

Postby dap-addict » Tue Apr 26, 2022 11:11 am

avanfurwet wrote:Yes, I think we all understand that the devaluation is fully the decision of Pornbox.

My poll was initially intended to highlight studios who talked to us paying in tickets and tried to understand our anger with that devaluation decided by pornbox and those who pretend nothing changed or even defend Pornbox decision.

Oscar might not have been aware of that ticket devaluation and the anger and uncertainty connected with this. For sure its nice to have studio owners trying to communicate and explain at all.

But than some studios went as far as to lower their price a bit so that its rather 12-15% true inflation rate in Czech instead of 36% more to pay in tickets. This decision however can't be taken by all studios because they also have to survive and I do understand this. Important however is some kind of understanding and addressing the problem at least instead of pretending there was no provider-studio-customer relation problem.
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Postby dap-addict » Thu Apr 28, 2022 8:21 am

If fairness is just measured by tkt prices after devaluation (by 35%, completely unheralded and unwarned of) Natasha Teen Productions with only 2 votes so far is actually offering 3on1 DAP with Europorn known top performer Emily Pink for 6,67 Tkt today: https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/42035
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Postby xxxVIPERxxx » Thu Apr 28, 2022 10:36 am

The fairest studio is the one who can consistently give decently priced scenes, that represent fair value.

The recent spike in cost of tickets has been nothing short of hyperinflation for most fans and customers.

I hope that we can go back to what it was like, only 2 months ago - with premium scenes for the top studios being around 8 tickets. Constantly seeing scenes in the 10.8 to 14 tickets range is demoralising, and I am sure it has also reduced the number of sales significantly recently.

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Re: POLL: Fairest studio after 35% tkt price rise of 15th April?

Postby Starrio » Fri Apr 29, 2022 7:01 am

Oscar Batty is correct. In the locked up thread I mentioned that it wasn't the studios' fault, it was all done by Pornbox wanting to make more money from tickets. Pornbox is the one screwing studios and making them look bad. It is not the producers that have any guilt this time. The evil here is Pornbox getting greedy.

ADMIN EDIT : this person doesn't know what they are talking about at all. No one is screwing studios. Pornbox isn't benefiting in any way with this change. We are only pricing content more accurately. Studios want high prices, not Pornbox, and if extra money is made it's for them.

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Re: POLL: Fairest studio after 35% tkt price rise of 15th April?

Postby Giorgio Grandi » Fri Apr 29, 2022 8:53 am

Starrio wrote:Oscar Batty is correct. In the locked up thread I mentioned that it wasn't the studios' fault, it was all done by Pornbox wanting to make more money from tickets. Pornbox is the one screwing studios and making them look bad. It is not the producers that have any guilt this time. The evil here is Pornbox getting greedy.


This is totally not correct.
PB gives to producers >100% of what the scene generates. So technically, increasing the conversion rate between tkt and USD, PB increased the value of the content to offer more revenue to the producers.

Regarding what is a fair studio, the topic is very complex and it is not connected to the price in tkt to the production cost.
A studio that shoot a scene that has a production cost of 4000$ at 10 tkt is more fair than a studio that has a production cost of 1500$, and sell the content at 7.5tkt.
This is something connected to where the content is produced (in some country is much cheaper to produce content, lets say 1/3 or even 1/4.
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Re: POLL: Fairest studio after 35% tkt price rise of 15th April?

Postby avanfurwet » Fri Apr 29, 2022 10:38 am

Giorgio Grandi wrote:
Starrio wrote:Oscar Batty is correct. In the locked up thread I mentioned that it wasn't the studios' fault, it was all done by Pornbox wanting to make more money from tickets. Pornbox is the one screwing studios and making them look bad. It is not the producers that have any guilt this time. The evil here is Pornbox getting greedy.


This is totally not correct.
PB gives to producers >100% of what the scene generates. So technically, increasing the conversion rate between tkt and USD, PB increased the value of the content to offer more revenue to the producers.

Regarding what is a fair studio, the topic is very complex and it is not connected to the price in tkt to the production cost.
A studio that shoot a scene that has a production cost of 4000$ at 10 tkt is more fair than a studio that has a production cost of 1500$, and sell the content at 7.5tkt.
This is something connected to where the content is produced (in some country is much cheaper to produce content, lets say 1/3 or even 1/4.

I'm fairly sure PB is not a registered charity and does not pay to the studios more income than they generate by sales.

But if I understood correctly, Giorgio appears to be confirming that studios will receive some more money per sale as a result of the devaluation of tickets.
If so, at least the price increase is being shared out between PB and the studios in some measure.

And we customers will never know how much their sales volume has fallen as a result of increased prices. So maybe they are all making bigger profits, or not.

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Regarding what is a fair studio:

I think Giorgio's example about some studios with low production costs only works if the product is comparable and the number of copies sold is the same for both his "10 tkt" studio and the "7.5 tkt" studio.

However, if a "cheap" low-budget studio expects to sell many fewer copies than a big-budget "expensive" studio (like Grandi), then the picture changes again.

Also this situation existed before and after the 35% devaluation of tickets, and I think it is a different question.

The truth is we customers do not know who is making a "fair" profit. We can only judge a "fair" price by comparison with other (not exactly similar) scenes available from other studios here and on other websites.

I think it's generally a good thing that there are more studios selling on PB because over time the studios with the best, most competitive product will survive and thrive.

Currently some studios, especially those controlled by PB owners, are still selling some or all their scenes at pre-devaluation ticket rates. So the playing field is not level and we can only guess their intentions.

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Re: POLL: Fairest studio after 35% tkt price rise of 15th April?

Postby Giorgio Grandi » Fri Apr 29, 2022 11:16 am

avanfurwet wrote:
Giorgio Grandi wrote:
Starrio wrote:Oscar Batty is correct. In the locked up thread I mentioned that it wasn't the studios' fault, it was all done by Pornbox wanting to make more money from tickets. Pornbox is the one screwing studios and making them look bad. It is not the producers that have any guilt this time. The evil here is Pornbox getting greedy.


This is totally not correct.
PB gives to producers >100% of what the scene generates. So technically, increasing the conversion rate between tkt and USD, PB increased the value of the content to offer more revenue to the producers.

Regarding what is a fair studio, the topic is very complex and it is not connected to the price in tkt to the production cost.
A studio that shoot a scene that has a production cost of 4000$ at 10 tkt is more fair than a studio that has a production cost of 1500$, and sell the content at 7.5tkt.
This is something connected to where the content is produced (in some country is much cheaper to produce content, lets say 1/3 or even 1/4.

I'm fairly sure PB is not a registered charity and does not pay to the studios more income than they generate by sales.

But if I understood correctly, Giorgio appears to be confirming that studios will receive some more money per sale as a result of the devaluation of tickets.
If so, at least the price increase is being shared out between PB and the studios in some measure.

And we customers will never know how much their sales volume has fallen as a result of increased prices. So maybe they are all making bigger profits, or not.

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Regarding what is a fair studio:

I think Giorgio's example about some studios with low production costs only works if the product is comparable and the number of copies sold is the same for both his "10 tkt" studio and the "7.5 tkt" studio.

However, if a "cheap" low-budget studio expects to sell many fewer copies than a big-budget "expensive" studio (like Grandi), then the picture changes again.

Also this situation existed before and after the 35% devaluation of tickets, and I think it is a different question.

The truth is we customers do not know who is making a "fair" profit. We can only judge a "fair" price by comparison with other (not exactly similar) scenes available from other studios here and on other websites.

I think it's generally a good thing that there are more studios selling on PB because over time the studios with the best, most competitive product will survive and thrive.

Currently some studios, especially those controlled by PB owners, are still selling some or all their scenes at pre-devaluation ticket rates. So the playing field is not level and we can only guess their intentions.


I can assure you, if you consider the running cost of PB (servers, billing, programming etc), PB maybe starts to get profit after 3 year a scene is online. You need to consider PB as a long term investor investor and distributor. The platform, believe me, is much more fair to content creator than anyone else.
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I thought about all this metter a lot of time in the past days and I think for us to decrease the price in $, that brings to decrease your price in tkt, is basically a devaluation of the content, not a revaluation of the tickets (as it is for you).
Do not get me wrong, I do not mean it will be something unsustainable, it means to decrease the price means to decrease the value of the content.

In the last days we coded a script inside my own statistic, outside the control panel provided from PB, to better follow what a scene does after being released. I hope this tool will give me some data to compare the output of the scene. One think you really need to understand is I have the suspect a lower price could maybe boost a bit sales in the first or second day the scene is released, but wont matter much in the following days as the scene has less visibility. So, as the content has less visibility, I suspect less sales at higher prices gives a better result.

So, I released GIO2084 with the intention to track really deeply the audience behavior to understand is a lower price make really a difference in sales.
The point is only this, I hope you understand
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Re: POLL: Fairest studio after 35% tkt price rise of 15th April?

Postby dap-addict » Fri Apr 29, 2022 2:27 pm

Giorgio Grandi wrote:So, I released GIO2084 with the intention to track really deeply the audience behavior to understand is a lower price make really a difference in sales.
The point is only this, I hope you understand

Giorgio, I think you want to proof to yourself with GIO2084 (https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/127270) that it doest work. ;)
But we both know that this girl is a special interest girl not a mainstream beauty.

But look, if with 35% less ticket value (after conversion to $$) you could be sustainable and make some profit all over 2021, so why in 2022 you need to generate so much more profit?
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Re: POLL: Fairest studio after 35% tkt price rise of 15th April?

Postby Giorgio Grandi » Fri Apr 29, 2022 3:16 pm

dap-addict wrote:
Giorgio Grandi wrote:So, I released GIO2084 with the intention to track really deeply the audience behavior to understand is a lower price make really a difference in sales.
The point is only this, I hope you understand

Giorgio, I think you want to proof to yourself with GIO2084 (https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/127270) that it doest work. ;)
But we both know that this girl is a special interest girl not a mainstream beauty.


Because we need to focus on market, not on models.

I make it more easy, lets imagine a "mainstream model" with lower price would sell GOOD and a "special model" with lower prices will NOT sell good

Solution? in your opinion what suppose to be? Increase the price of the "special model" only, in the way that she is not only penalised because she is not mainstream, but she is penalised because the price of her scene is also higher?
But anyway it is not even the point (se next answer)

dap-addict wrote:But look, if with 35% less ticket value (after conversion to $$) you could be sustainable and make some profit all over 2021, so why in 2022 you need to generate so much more profit?


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Re: POLL: Fairest studio after 35% tkt price rise of 15th April?

Postby YumYum74 » Fri Apr 29, 2022 4:39 pm

Dap-addict; I think it’s pretty clear the discussion is basically over. While I was pleasantly surprised by today’s Gio prices, the chance of any significant changes happening in favour of customers (loyal or otherwise) is pretty close to zero. Just leave it be and change your spending habits accordingly. They’ve made their decision.

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Re: POLL: Fairest studio after 35% tkt price rise of 15th April?

Postby xxx » Fri Apr 29, 2022 5:21 pm

Starrio wrote:Oscar Batty is correct. In the locked up thread I mentioned that it wasn't the studios' fault, it was all done by Pornbox wanting to make more money from tickets. Pornbox is the one screwing studios and making them look bad. It is not the producers that have any guilt this time. The evil here is Pornbox getting greedy.

ADMIN EDIT : this person doesn't know what they are talking about at all. No one is screwing studios. Pornbox isn't benefiting in any way with this change. We are only pricing content more accurately. Studios want high prices, not Pornbox, and if extra money is made it's for them.

Watch what you write in the future. I have very little patience for people spreading BS like this. We adjusted the conversion. It doesn't mean that it was a move to screw up anyone (we said they should simply decrease their prices if they just want things to be the same as before), especially not studios when we did this to help them reach their own fucking prices. No one is "getting greedy".

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Re: POLL: Fairest studio after 35% tkt price rise of 15th April?

Postby avanfurwet » Fri Apr 29, 2022 5:49 pm

Thank you for replying Giorgio. I appreciate when you and XXX take the time to explain your point of view. I'll try to reply quickly before this thread gets locked like the last one.

Giorgio Grandi wrote:I can assure you, if you consider the running cost of PB (servers, billing, programming etc), PB maybe starts to get profit after 3 year a scene is online. You need to consider PB as a long term investor investor and distributor.

Yes, we customers know that PB are a long-term investor who buy a lifetime licence for the scenes, 14 days after release, so they take on the risks and rewards of future sales. Therefore the studios get their payout quickly and smaller studio businesses can recycle this payment into producing more scenes, which is good business for both studios and PB.

Giorgio Grandi wrote:The platform, believe me, is much more fair to content creator than anyone else.

I've no reason to disbelieve this. Maybe people with experience of other platforms have their own opinions. However, the topic is fairness, or unfairness, to customers who paid in advance to buy tickets which have suddenly been devalued (not revalued).

Giorgio Grandi wrote:I thought about all this metter a lot of time in the past days and I think for us to decrease the price in $, that brings to decrease your price in tkt, is basically a devaluation of the content, not a revaluation of the tickets (as it is for you).
Do not get me wrong, I do not mean it will be something unsustainable, it means to decrease the price means to decrease the value of the content.

Well, PB increased the price to customers who pay in tickets by 35% overnight, and both you and XXX are saying this extra money goes to the studios. So the value of your new product has been revalued upwards by 35% overnight. I understand you won't give up any of that gain you just made, unless you think it benefits your business to do so.

Giorgio Grandi wrote:In the last days we coded a script inside my own statistic, outside the control panel provided from PB, to better follow what a scene does after being released. I hope this tool will give me some data to compare the output of the scene. One think you really need to understand is I have the suspect a lower price could maybe boost a bit sales in the first or second day the scene is released, but wont matter much in the following days as the scene has less visibility. So, as the content has less visibility, I suspect less sales at higher prices gives a better result.

Well, if a higher price point brings you greater overall income from a scene, then of course you can and maybe should increase your prices.
You are predicting that customers who pay up will more than pay for those who refuse the new prices and leave. Maybe you are right.

And maybe some other studios and websites will see an opportunity to undercut your higher prices and try to eat your lunch?

I think you have a great studio and a great product, so I hope your business continues to be successful, whatever pricing strategy you choose.

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