What’s with the crazy price increases the last few days?

[netzerkaiser]

Starrio

The point is simple as it is. Do you want to support the kind of porn you like or you want it disappear?

It might be worth stating that the stuff many people like is the kind of straight 1-1, DP stuff that was the norm here 5-10 years ago, & as I've said before, fantastic back-catalogue.

I really don't feel that AV appreciate the affection so many have for this simple stuff, & the value of back catalogue & the style of the back catalogue.

AV I think, pushed DAP onto many of us - I find as arousing as pumping my bicycle... & I certainly am not here for rough Mr Anderson aggression viagra filled scenes.

Many of us have simple tastes.

By creating this extreme pornographic image for the site, you are in danger of convincing yourselves that you are filling a niche that members can't find elsewhere.

Truth is, for many of us, the reason we are here is out of loyalty to what you did 2008 - 2017.

Don't underestimate the greatness of what LP was & its importance to people. Its monumental.

Don't overestimate your current role either. I can take or leave pretty much the output of the past 5 years easily enough.

I'm only trying to offer a perspective. The USA scene now is inexplicably as vibrant as ever, the Eastern Euro scene has declined dramatically in spite of lesser career options for young women.

I think you need to go back to the drawing board.

Thats just my perspective.

Where you are finding vibrant USA scenes?

LOL! I don't want to be victim of a drive by shooting!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xXx-8wRp1Hg

[netzerkaiser]

Dear Netzerkaiser,

I do not. I'm not seeing porno filme. I see, old movie scene, "Bronx Tale."

Precisely. I'm off to bed.

[dap-addict]

Ok, guys, you managed to hijack that crazy price rise thread.
To get back let me quote myself (yes, matt!) and put a correction:

Than sb please explain me why tkt price based on that new conversion rat skyrocket by 20-35%? It seems not reasonable to me? Looks like sb claiming that 1$ was 22 CZK yesterday but today all of a sudden its 33 CZK.
Sorry, I just dont get it! But what is for sure is that with this communication debacle and crazy ticket price rise you start to de-loyalize long-term subscribers.

Dap, we know how long, 10 years?
You are usually very critic and I understand it, but you really need please to keep calm and read. Im not a native speaker, so maybe you need to read me 2 time to get it.
The price of the content did not change, the content still cost 10$. What change is that before MEMBERS needed 7.5tkt to get the scene and now you need more ticket, this because you purchase the content using tickets that you acquired using a membership plan (that is already a discount) instead then purchase directly using usd.

Do you understand the point?
You need to see it also from the opposite prospective, purchasing the content with ticket system, gave you a huge discount. Now that discount is smaller, but still the members have a benefit.

To purchase a scene with tickets, still gives you 10% discount or so.

12 or 13 years I think Giorgio. And thanks for this answer, because its the 1st clear statement here from PB and producers side. Gracie motto!

Now, 10% discount instead of 30% or so is of course a bit little given the fact that we subscribers pay 80$ at once and not 10$ for each scene. 80$ you can invest at once! Also for sure subscribers tend to buy scenes in bulk instead of each scene on its own. And loyalty once destroyed cannot get built up that fast again!

edit: Grazie molto!

[Giorgio Grandi]

If we want to speak about the market anche what is changed in the last 4-6 years, this is another topic that is not really connected to the tickets/usd matter.

Anyway a lot is changed, first of all models now have other heavy source of incoming, it is called OF.
I know models, average one you would probably purchase only in DAP with BBC and pee, that have an OF account with membership 7usd/month. So you buy the membership and after for 90% of content, you need to spend 10$ for each clip. A model with 200 fans make an easy life out of it with few hours of afford on social network and few poor releases every week. They do not need to travel much, shoot most of content with BF and few friends, rarely with anal.
They use also the same content for other platform, getting other money as well
Than there are the good looking model, that are making much more.

You cant compare the pool of content NOW with the pool we had BEFORE (this to answer to netzerkaiser). We are not using less afford in scouting, just what we offer is not interesting for good girls. The few that maybe are interest to agree, propose me a price that is out of any logic, some we negotiate and some other we are not able to make a deal. For what we are able to bring in, after few initial scenes to test the audience, we need to floor it and go more extreme, otherwise the model doesnt have future.

Let russian girls out of the picture, because this is totally a different topic.

On OF there are really hot super girl, you pay 20-30 usd to watch 2-3 average videos, some naked pictures and maybe other 20$ to have a chat with them.
Do you do that? I guess you dont because the content is boring.

Now you are going to argue that these girls on OF needs to shoot porn with us to get fans. This was true but now is not anymore. With 300$/month, a new girl that just joined OF can get a lot of promotion from so called "Promotional Accounts": basically they do not need to shoot porn anymore to get the fans, they can do different. There are also "groups" that run accounts of models with a cut of 10-15% only.

I am not telling we are fucked, but this moment is like it is, there is nothing we can do to compete directly with OF. I am working on something that will maybe help to bring on our side some more models, maybe new one, but I am not equipped (yet) with the tools I need to do this (in 2-4 months we maybe see some benefits).

So, overall, the topic about tkt/usd maybe it looks harsh to digest, but I do not really see that huge drama.
I got an electricity bill some times ago, I am a very loyal costumer with an high bill that pay regular and I got a further increase of about 40%. I did not mail the company telling they did not advise me, that it is not fair because I am a long time costumer and so on. I am just pissed off (and not with the provider).
I paid the bill and still I am not screaming at my kids who leave the light on in the bathroom every morning.

I asked myself, can I afford the increase? Yes I can, so fuck it I am still leaving my life.
if I start arguing over matters of "principle", in a short time I would go to live on a desert island and I will not able to shoot porn at all, I would not be able to even talk with most of performers.

Guys, even if I do not write often I read you every day.
I answer to private message in PB every 2-3 days or even more often. I am a bit surprised I see a topic like this here in the forum, but I never get a private message about it and I got like 20-30 messages just between today and yesterday. This make me think about your point in a very different way. I am not telling you do not have a good point, I am just suspecting this topic escalate into a drama that is not supported by the majority of the audience

Update: comparing porn with gaming industry doesnt make sense. But we can see it like this, I want to buy a game programmed by very good looking girls that gets dapped by 3 BBC, not a game programmed from some random guy.
Got the point?

[YumYum74]

So, overall, the topic about tkt/usd maybe it looks harsh to digest, but I do not really see that huge drama.
I got an electricity bill some times ago, I am a very loyal costumer with an high bill that pay regular and I got a further increase of about 40%. I did not mail the company telling they did not advise me, that it is not fair because I am a long time costumer and so on. I am just pissed off (and not with the provider).
I paid the bill and still I am not screaming at my kids who leave the light on in the bathroom every morning.

I asked myself, can I afford the increase? Yes I can, so fuck it I am still leaving my life.
if I start arguing over matters of "principle", in a short time I would go to live on a desert island and I will not able to shoot porn at all, I would not be able to even talk with most of performers.

Guys, even if I do not write often I read you every day.
I answer to private message in PB every 2-3 days or even more often. I am a bit surprised I see a topic like this here in the forum, but I never get a private message about it and I got like 20-30 messages just between today and yesterday. This make me think about your point in a very different way. I am not telling you do not have a good point, I am just suspecting this topic escalate into a drama that is not supported by the majority of the audience

Since I am the OP, I’d like to respond to this segment of your reply, Giorgio. I didn’t send a private message via PB because my anger is not directed at you or your studio. It was directed at PB as a whole who, a few days after I recharged, suddenly said ‘hey, guess what; starting now your tickets have lost around 30% of their value’.

And I’m not sure about the electricity comparison. We all need electricity, and although we can switch providers (at least where I live that’s an option), it isn’t easily done. So while a huge electricity bill sucks, we don’t really have a choice. We can complain but in the end we have to pay it anyway. We can’t go without electricity. This case is somewhat different. Porn is a luxury item. And if I feel I have been treated unfairly and my comments about that are basically set aside, I do have other options. I can stop paying from one day to the other (unlike an electricity bill), and try and find alternative options. I want to be loyal, but it’s being made impossible.

[netzerkaiser]

Just so you know, & I appreciate Giorgo's great contribution...

I tried hijack nothing.

Only give perspective.

Nothing more.

[dap-addict]

Guys, even if I do not write often I read you every day.
I answer to private message in PB every 2-3 days or even more often. I am a bit surprised I see a topic like this here in the forum, but I never get a private message about it and I got like 20-30 messages just between today and yesterday. This make me think about your point in a very different way. I am not telling you do not have a good point, I am just suspecting this topic escalate into a drama that is not supported by the majority of the audience

Just tried that PM tool again and again it didnt work, no idea why.
But here you go than, I tried to send you this PM: "Hi Giorgio, thanks for answering in price rise thread. I didnt use this tool yet because I didnt wanna bother you with additional mails - because I know with a family and a dildo firm now you must be very busy for sure. But now I do: Your open forum answer helped me to understand what happened. And your electricity bill example made it even more clear. I'd wish xxx was a supportive as you are... Have a nice evening! dap-a"

[Giorgio Grandi]

If we want to speak about the market anche what is changed in the last 4-6 years, this is another topic that is not really connected to the tickets/usd matter.

Anyway a lot is changed, first of all models now have other heavy source of incoming, it is called OF.
I know models, average one you would probably purchase only in DAP with BBC and pee, that have an OF account with membership 7usd/month. So you buy the membership and after for 90% of content, you need to spend 10$ for each clip. A model with 200 fans make an easy life out of it with few hours of afford on social network and few poor releases every week. They do not need to travel much, shoot most of content with BF and few friends, rarely with anal.
They use also the same content for other platform, getting other money as well
Than there are the good looking model, that are making much more.

You cant compare the pool of content NOW with the pool we had BEFORE (this to answer to netzerkaiser). We are not using less afford in scouting, just what we offer is not interesting for good girls. The few that maybe are interest to agree, propose me a price that is out of any logic, some we negotiate and some other we are not able to make a deal. For what we are able to bring in, after few initial scenes to test the audience, we need to floor it and go more extreme, otherwise the model doesnt have future.

Let russian girls out of the picture, because this is totally a different topic.

On OF there are really hot super girl, you pay 20-30 usd to watch 2-3 average videos, some naked pictures and maybe other 20$ to have a chat with them.
Do you do that? I guess you dont because the content is boring.

Now you are going to argue that these girls on OF needs to shoot porn with us to get fans. This was true but now is not anymore. With 300$/month, a new girl that just joined OF can get a lot of promotion from so called "Promotional Accounts": basically they do not need to shoot porn anymore to get the fans, they can do different. There are also "groups" that run accounts of models with a cut of 10-15% only.

I am not telling we are fucked, but this moment is like it is, there is nothing we can do to compete directly with OF. I am working on something that will maybe help to bring on our side some more models, maybe new one, but I am not equipped (yet) with the tools I need to do this (in 2-4 months we maybe see some benefits).

So, overall, the topic about tkt/usd maybe it looks harsh to digest, but I do not really see that huge drama.
I got an electricity bill some times ago, I am a very loyal costumer with an high bill that pay regular and I got a further increase of about 40%. I did not mail the company telling they did not advise me, that it is not fair because I am a long time costumer and so on. I am just pissed off (and not with the provider).
I paid the bill and still I am not screaming at my kids who leave the light on in the bathroom every morning.

I asked myself, can I afford the increase? Yes I can, so fuck it I am still leaving my life.
if I start arguing over matters of "principle", in a short time I would go to live on a desert island and I will not able to shoot porn at all, I would not be able to even talk with most of performers.

Guys, even if I do not write often I read you every day.
I answer to private message in PB every 2-3 days or even more often. I am a bit surprised I see a topic like this here in the forum, but I never get a private message about it and I got like 20-30 messages just between today and yesterday. This make me think about your point in a very different way. I am not telling you do not have a good point, I am just suspecting this topic escalate into a drama that is not supported by the majority of the audience

Update: comparing porn with gaming industry doesnt make sense. But we can see it like this, I want to buy a game programmed by very good looking girls that gets dapped by 3 BBC, not a game programmed from some random guy.
Got the point?

Giorgio Grandi is saying it right here. He makes the scenes because he is a cuck and it's not mattering to him if the sales warrant it or not. He is a cuck and he makes what he likes.

I just made you an example of a content that would sell. The same scene with white boys, probably doesnt have even the meaning to exist.

[Giorgio Grandi]

So, overall, the topic about tkt/usd maybe it looks harsh to digest, but I do not really see that huge drama.
I got an electricity bill some times ago, I am a very loyal costumer with an high bill that pay regular and I got a further increase of about 40%. I did not mail the company telling they did not advise me, that it is not fair because I am a long time costumer and so on. I am just pissed off (and not with the provider).
I paid the bill and still I am not screaming at my kids who leave the light on in the bathroom every morning.

I asked myself, can I afford the increase? Yes I can, so fuck it I am still leaving my life.
if I start arguing over matters of "principle", in a short time I would go to live on a desert island and I will not able to shoot porn at all, I would not be able to even talk with most of performers.

Guys, even if I do not write often I read you every day.
I answer to private message in PB every 2-3 days or even more often. I am a bit surprised I see a topic like this here in the forum, but I never get a private message about it and I got like 20-30 messages just between today and yesterday. This make me think about your point in a very different way. I am not telling you do not have a good point, I am just suspecting this topic escalate into a drama that is not supported by the majority of the audience

Since I am the OP, I’d like to respond to this segment of your reply, Giorgio. I didn’t send a private message via PB because my anger is not directed at you or your studio. It was directed at PB as a whole who, a few days after I recharged, suddenly said ‘hey, guess what; starting now your tickets have lost around 30% of their value’.

And I’m not sure about the electricity comparison. We all need electricity, and although we can switch providers (at least where I live that’s an option), it isn’t easily done. So while a huge electricity bill sucks, we don’t really have a choice. We can complain but in the end we have to pay it anyway. We can’t go without electricity. This case is somewhat different. Porn is a luxury item. And if I feel I have been treated unfairly and my comments about that are basically set aside, I do have other options. I can stop paying from one day to the other (unlike an electricity bill), and try and find alternative options. I want to be loyal, but it’s being made impossible.

I know electricity is a base service I can not do without, I can stay maybe without porn, but not without electricity, I understand this.
The meaning of the electricity example, was not about the kind of services I get from it, but about the fact they did not advise a loyal costumer about the increasing of the bill.
And anyway, I switch the provider few days after because he fucking bankrupt and with the new provider the increase is every few % higher.
I find it even funny in the context.

You comment are not set aside, unless you consider the 1000 words I wrote today about it totally blank

[dap-addict]

Breaking News: Testing game goes on! Now its gonzo vs. GIO it seems. One studio can shoot DAP and than sell it to silly loyal subscribers for 11 tickets, the other for just above 6 tickets. Look at this scene: https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/221884

[YumYum74]

So, overall, the topic about tkt/usd maybe it looks harsh to digest, but I do not really see that huge drama.
I got an electricity bill some times ago, I am a very loyal costumer with an high bill that pay regular and I got a further increase of about 40%. I did not mail the company telling they did not advise me, that it is not fair because I am a long time costumer and so on. I am just pissed off (and not with the provider).
I paid the bill and still I am not screaming at my kids who leave the light on in the bathroom every morning.

I asked myself, can I afford the increase? Yes I can, so fuck it I am still leaving my life.
if I start arguing over matters of "principle", in a short time I would go to live on a desert island and I will not able to shoot porn at all, I would not be able to even talk with most of performers.

Guys, even if I do not write often I read you every day.
I answer to private message in PB every 2-3 days or even more often. I am a bit surprised I see a topic like this here in the forum, but I never get a private message about it and I got like 20-30 messages just between today and yesterday. This make me think about your point in a very different way. I am not telling you do not have a good point, I am just suspecting this topic escalate into a drama that is not supported by the majority of the audience

Since I am the OP, I’d like to respond to this segment of your reply, Giorgio. I didn’t send a private message via PB because my anger is not directed at you or your studio. It was directed at PB as a whole who, a few days after I recharged, suddenly said ‘hey, guess what; starting now your tickets have lost around 30% of their value’.

And I’m not sure about the electricity comparison. We all need electricity, and although we can switch providers (at least where I live that’s an option), it isn’t easily done. So while a huge electricity bill sucks, we don’t really have a choice. We can complain but in the end we have to pay it anyway. We can’t go without electricity. This case is somewhat different. Porn is a luxury item. And if I feel I have been treated unfairly and my comments about that are basically set aside, I do have other options. I can stop paying from one day to the other (unlike an electricity bill), and try and find alternative options. I want to be loyal, but it’s being made impossible.

I know electricity is a base service I can not do without, I can stay maybe without porn, but not without electricity, I understand this.
The meaning of the electricity example, was not about the kind of services I get from it, but about the fact they did not advise a loyal costumer about the increasing of the bill.
And anyway, I switch the provider few days after because he fucking bankrupt and with the new provider the increase is every few % higher.
I find it even funny in the context.

You comment are not set aside, unless you consider the 1000 words I wrote today about it totally blank

Bad choice of words maybe. By 'set aside' I meant that there are responses from yourself and xxx but what it ultimately comes down to is the same as what the electricity company said to you. Which is 'too bad, tough luck'.

[dap-addict]

Breaking News: Testing game goes on! Now its gonzo vs. GIO it seems. One studio can shoot DAP and than sell it to silly loyal subscribers for 11 tickets, the other for just above 6 tickets. Look at this scene: https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/221884

Now Pornbox seems to be down.
Maybe the gonzo Ukrainian's DAP price will be double at around 13 tickets afterwards? I am so cynical because what seemed sure is way shattered now: I wrote a lot about fairness and user transparency in the past. It lead to a devaluation of 1/3 for all tickets we still possess.

[dap-addict]

I am just suspecting this topic escalate into a drama that is not supported by the majority of the audience

Please not!
Just explanations we foolish loyal subscribers and ticket buyers are able to understand. Or do you want to say 99% or PB users are not paying with tickets?

[Starrio]

The gaming industry was an example, but it is the same with all industries. The food industry, the movies business, the self help industry, the clothing industry. These are basic capitalist principles that apply to all businesses. Harvard business courses are easily accessible to everyone nowadays. You don't need to come from a rich family to get this information anymore.

The Only Fans problem is legit though. I want to say there is solution to that, but the geopolitical changes of recent years have made the situation difficult to overcome.

In theory the excuse is that Russia, Ukraine, and Czech Republic have very different economic situations, but in principle the approach should be the same regardless, so whatever is working for NRX in principle can work for GIO, if, the same principles are applied taking into consideration the economic differences of course.

And again, those economic differences implying that the same basic capitalist principles are used to address them. The only reason currency has value is because of good faith, there is no gold backing it up, that's why good faith and expectations are important.

The electric bill example doesn't apply simply because it is a utility, which plays a whole different set of economic rules, particularly because the way governments get involved differently than with other types of goods. Utilities, shelter, basic food, and transportation are a different ball game entirely. But I imagine everyone knows this already.

Again, economic proliferation is the only tested way over time that has been able to overcome the problems of inflation, while keeping the currency value to a visible margin. This is the approach crypto uses, USD uses, Euros uses, etc.. It has been tested over and over again, it is the way entire economies grow.

This is why Lamborghini makes 1.6 Billion and Toyota makes 7.79 Trillion. It is very straight forward stuff. There is nothing complicated about it.

[Giorgio Grandi]

In theory the excuse is that Russia, Ukraine, and Czech Republic have very different economic situations, but in principle the approach should be the same regardless, so whatever is working for NRX in principle can work for GIO, if, the same principles are applied taking into consideration the economic differences of course.

you cant apply the same approach in 2 different country with so different economic differences. there is no way

- first, when a russian studio pay a model 1000$, is like I would pay a girl from CZ $4000+ and a girl from west europe $5000+ and one from USA probably $6500+
- second, I cant access to the pool of Russian models from over 2 years, because of Covid, different vaccine, restrictions and now war, no visa and connection that are almost impossible. Also the access to other country outside EU has limitations because of the previous reason as well, including usa). I have a pile of girls from USA and Canada but Im able to bring here maybe 20% of what I could in normal time.

What we did in the last 2 years was remarkable, we will adapt also to the war. With covid we had time to adapt, something this time we did not have.

[YumYum74]

Another question then regarding the ticket system. Tickets are supposed to give a discount (after these changes it should be around 10%).

Then how does this work exactly in the example below?

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This is from the Nela Decker scene released today. I can buy it with 10.81 tickets, or buy it directly for EUR 11.09.
But if I was without tickets and I decided to buy a ticket package of 10 tickets, I would pay EUR 11.92. So the ticket package is actually MORE expensive, and it STILL wouldn't allow me to buy this scene.

Or am I screwing up the math here?

[dap-addict]

Another question then regarding the ticket system. Tickets are supposed to give a discount (after these changes it should be around 10%).

I this the 10% were ment for tickets bought under the loyal subscribers package, ie. the 120tkt re-load option going with a 3mt-subscription.

[YumYum74]

Another question then regarding the ticket system. Tickets are supposed to give a discount (after these changes it should be around 10%).

I this the 10% were ment for tickets bought under the loyal subscribers package, ie. the 120tkt re-load option going with a 3mt-subscription.

I don't see that caveat anywhere. If I click on the question mark it only says "save money by using tickets to purchase content on this site'.
I specifically does NOT say I first need to have a 3 month subscription.

[YumYum74]

Another question then regarding the ticket system. Tickets are supposed to give a discount (after these changes it should be around 10%).

I this the 10% were ment for tickets bought under the loyal subscribers package, ie. the 120tkt re-load option going with a 3mt-subscription.

I don't see that caveat anywhere. If I click on the question mark it only says "save money by using tickets to purchase content on this site'.
I specifically does NOT say I first need to have a 3 month subscription.

You know what. I don't need an answer, it actually doesn't matter anymore.
I'm done here.

[Starrio]

In theory the excuse is that Russia, Ukraine, and Czech Republic have very different economic situations, but in principle the approach should be the same regardless, so whatever is working for NRX in principle can work for GIO, if, the same principles are applied taking into consideration the economic differences of course.

you cant apply the same approach in 2 different country with so different economic differences. there is no way

- first, when a russian studio pay a model 1000$, is like I would pay a girl from CZ $4000+ and a girl from west europe $5000+ and one from USA probably $6500+
- second, I cant access to the pool of Russian models from over 2 years, because of Covid, different vaccine, restrictions and now war, no visa and connection that are almost impossible. Also the access to other country outside EU has limitations because of the previous reason as well, including usa). I have a pile of girls from USA and Canada but Im able to bring here maybe 20% of what I could in normal time.

What we did in the last 2 years was remarkable, we will adapt also to the war. With covid we had time to adapt, something this time we did not have.

For "first" the solution is growing the buying base through proliferation which honestly has been done by GIO correctly since the pandemic, and it is important to recognize that, Giorgio's Lab, XfreaX, the Wonder Toys, new series like Black Pee, all good ways to make more money.

Just increasing the price it is not the way to solve this.

For "second" I have to agree that there is no way around it and the efforts have been remarkable all things considered.

The excuse here is that COVID gave time, War didn't give time. If time is the factor, the solution is not something people like, but if you really want to know the established tested way to address this in economics is to release products at a marginal lost. So the profits diminish temporarily just to maintain the base good faith enough to have time for new proliferation products to arrive and get back those marginal lost.

That's the tested way, but I understand some people don't have the patience for that, or in some cases the financial willingness to justify it because at the end of the day it implies a risk. However that risk is small if proliferation ideas are already in the works.

So the only time price increase is the last resource is when there are no new proliferation plans for the future. In which case the plan is to keep things as they are just more expensive which means the business has accepted and is already comfortable with the idea the there will be no significant growth and that there is still a chance for more loses.

[Starrio]

Sorry about the typos, auto-corrector fucks things up. It is marginal loss, not marginal lost.

[drevokocur66]

Starrio

The point is simple as it is. Do you want to support the kind of porn you like or you want it disappear?

[/quote]

Excellent question...

Tip fucking, NO
Balls deep anal YES

Fake creampies NO
Real creampies YES

Cookie cutter checklist porn NO
Creativity in content YES

Spit n spill specials NO
Piss drinking YES

Movie magic's lets just fake it and not make it NO.

YES to ATM, ATOGM, ATP, ATOGP, Fisting, Puke, real deepthroat, less shitty cuts and edits...

Give me something I want to support, and not just want me spend more tickets per scene for the same sad bullshit.

[dap-addict]

LOL!
Strange thing is we had xxx and Giorgio writing in here, but both didnt really address OP, but they explained some other price related things. It makes it all the more fishy.
Also last few days have shown there is no price stability at all.
I think they are still testing how users react.

Looks like the Giada Sgh 6on1 @ gonzo went down about 20% 1 day after release.
Its still a test phase obviously.
Lets see what happens next.

[stevehappy339]

Studios need to have to sales days at least monthly twice in month in a coordinated manner and money accrued during the sale period should be transferred 100% back to studios
I'm suggesting this mainly because in my case sometimes if i want to buy Scene but the TKT price is let's say 9TKT but In my opinion 5-6TKT would be the maximum that I am willing to spend on said Scene,
By which I would look past that Scene
In such a scenario if a sale day comes up where prices drop would be beneficial for both me and the studio due to reasons
1.if the model has not sold well and Studio not willing shoot with her ( gives her 2nd chance indirectly)
2. would attract new customers since i would be buying that 9 TKT albeit at a lower price

@xxx and @Girogio Grandi have look and please consider this.

[avanfurwet]

Starrio
First of all GG stays where he is, I mean here on PB.

PB pays studios like me, that publish exclusive content, basically 100% of what they get from you, so the rate is not changed to make PB to gain more money, but to give to the studio a chance to keep stability with their revenue in a difficult moment.

After 2 years of trouble with covid now we have a war behind the corner.
We basically lost 2 country. Maybe Ucrain deosnt have a lot of costumers and Russia did not provide so much sales as USA, but still, we lost customers and a lot.
There is a fucking worldwide crisis, people has less money to spend and believe me or not, there is a big possibility it will be even worse.
With covid, people was at home doing nothing, paid anyway and watching porn and netflix, now they are back to work, with almost doubled bills.

To change the rate just help studios in a difficult moment, because this moment is very complicate and it makes sense to lose some members because of this: PB is protection the studios.

The point is simple as it is. Do you want to support the kind of porn you like or you want it disappear?

It would be better IMO if PB had said this in the first place instead of trying to tell us that the price we pay didn't increase when obviously it did, and then accusing customers of paranoia when they didn't believe the spin.

GG says it shouldn't be a huge drama when the price of porn increases. This topic escalated into a drama because fans didn't receive good communication from the business(es).

Even so, like Netzer, YumYum and others, I really appreciate GG and XXX coming and posting here when they could just ignore us like an electricity company.

Of course we customers don't know the inner workings of the studio or platform business and we'll never really know how much cost pressures are driving price increases. But when any business disrespects customers by feeding them misinformation, the consequence is that customers become even less trusting.

Pastaga and DAP-A already said it. Customers who choose to pay for their porn and support the models and producers should not be left to feel they are being taken for a ride.

Like YumYum, I think that electicity is a false comparison. It takes a big effort to quit buying electricity and get it some other way, or steal it from a producer. But fans at PB can easily choose whether they stay and pay, or not. One way to encourage customers to stay and pay is to communicate better.

Finally, I think the reason why fans haven't messaged GG at his studio is because we can all see that tkt prices also increased for other studios and therefore it is a PB platform decision. Surely this forum is the place to discuss it?

[antiochethereal]

so the price rises seem permanant based on tonights latest additions, I certainly like the looks of the Avery Jane scene, but I am going to have to wait, plenty in the backlog

Same here. I am always excited when I see black/hispanic women get posted because they tend to also have big ASSets :-P but super expensive, so... I'll wait and see. One scene is just not worth that much to me.

[YumYum74]

Of course we customers don't know the inner workings of the studio or platform business and we'll never really know how much cost pressures are driving price increases. But when any business disrespects customers by feeding them misinformation, the consequence is that customers become even less trusting.

Pastaga and DAP-A already said it. Customers who choose to pay for their porn and support the models and producers should not be left to feel they are being taken for a ride.

This.
This right here.

I haven’t checked, but I must have spent several 1000’s of dollars here over the past few years. But if this is how customers are being treated? No more.

[dap-addict]

It would be better IMO if PB had said this in the first place instead of trying to tell us that the price we pay didn't increase when obviously it did, and then accusing customers of paranoia when they didn't believe the spin.

GG says it shouldn't be a huge drama when the price of porn increases. This topic escalated into a drama because fans didn't receive good communication from the business(es).

This!

Of course I appreciate that both xxx and Giorgio came here pretty fast to discuss with us. But their input wasnt thought over well and not clear, especially keeping in mind that most of the active forum members pay with tickets. Some of the answers sounded also arrogant, which isn't creating a good and trustful customer relationship.

Anyway, if trying to stay optimist I see some deescalation steps on the ground, in Pornbox. I am willing to wait a bit more how it evolves there until end of April. But I still would appreciate more thought about loyal PB users and subscribers.

[cumdump]

It would be better IMO if PB had said this in the first place instead of trying to tell us that the price we pay didn't increase when obviously it did, and then accusing customers of paranoia when they didn't believe the spin.

GG says it shouldn't be a huge drama when the price of porn increases. This topic escalated into a drama because fans didn't receive good communication from the business(es).

This!

Of course I appreciate that both xxx and Giorgio came here pretty fast to discuss with us. But their input wasnt thought over well and not clear, especially keeping in mind that most of the active forum members pay with tickets. Some of the answers sounded also arrogant, which isn't creating a good and trustful customer relationship.

Anyway, if trying to stay optimist I see some deescalation steps on the ground, in Pornbox. I am willing to wait a bit more how it evolves there until end of April. But I still would appreciate more thought about loyal PB users and subscribers.

It just seems the ticket prices as far as I can see over the last few days, the ticket prices are constantly changing, I'm not sure what's going on with that, if it is purely just testing or what. I will be more selective on purchasing any scenes, until the prices have stabilized and aren't constantly changing. Hopefully prices are fair to benefit everyone, just seems very messy right now with super high ticket prices that we've never seen before, then a drop, but also some pricing doesn't make much sense across the board. Some are reasonable, some are low, then some are just ridiculously high for no reason it seems.

[cumdump]

Breaking News: Testing game goes on! Now its gonzo vs. GIO it seems. One studio can shoot DAP and than sell it to silly loyal subscribers for 11 tickets, the other for just above 6 tickets. Look at this scene: https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/221884

So, PB is just testing right now, or PB is the reason for rise of prices? Is it the platform???

[netzerkaiser]

It would be better IMO if PB had said this in the first place instead of trying to tell us that the price we pay didn't increase when obviously it did, and then accusing customers of paranoia when they didn't believe the spin.

GG says it shouldn't be a huge drama when the price of porn increases. This topic escalated into a drama because fans didn't receive good communication from the business(es).

This!

Of course I appreciate that both xxx and Giorgio came here pretty fast to discuss with us. But their input wasnt thought over well and not clear, especially keeping in mind that most of the active forum members pay with tickets. Some of the answers sounded also arrogant, which isn't creating a good and trustful customer relationship.

Anyway, if trying to stay optimist I see some deescalation steps on the ground, in Pornbox. I am willing to wait a bit more how it evolves there until end of April. But I still would appreciate more thought about loyal PB users and subscribers.

You've got BALLS, Brother.

Hopefully some of your critics will show a bit more long overdue respect to you now.

Thank you.

Another pitiful sideshow of the last 4-5 days, I was working crazy hours so I didn't have time to really check, but it looks like there were about 6 stunning scenes in past few days. Great make-up work on Nela Decker by the way. Really brought out her beauty.

If I was a great footballer & my small club put an £800 million sale price on me - I'd be really annoyed if the management came to me & said, "no-one wants to buy you".

[xxx]

Of course we customers don't know the inner workings of the studio or platform business and we'll never really know how much cost pressures are driving price increases. But when any business disrespects customers by feeding them misinformation, the consequence is that customers become even less trusting.

No one fed you misinformation. I came here to explain exactly why you see an increase in prices. I will summarize it again before locking this thread that has turned into arguing, misunderstandings, and venting :

- No one actually raised their prices very recently (but in general yes prices are going up).
- There is an inflation crisis pretty much everywhere currently.
- Some think that because of the crisis and war, women are rushing to porn and we get to shoot fashion models for $500. That is pure fantasy.
- The opposite is actually happening with model prices getting higher and higher.
- You are seeing higher prices in Porn Box since about a few days ago because we adjusted the conversion from USD to TKT.
- Content creators set their prices in USD not in TKT. So a conversion has to occur.
- It is our job to sell the content at the prices that are asked by our content creators. However it is impossible because the TKT prices vary way too much.
- We adjusted the conversion formula to better match what they wanted all along.
- If those content creators simply want to be in the same spot as a few days ago they can lower their prices immediately and nothing will change for you and for them.
- We actually did so with Gonzo (might still be ongoing for some older content).
- As Pornbox we completely agree that prices are getting out of hand with cheap content sold at $10-20 constantly.
- So no one truly raised their prices (they are not even *our* prices). It's just the system that was updated for accuracy, not for the sake of making more money. Higher prices obviously don't necessarily mean more money. At some point it is of course damaging.
- Ultimately it's a hard and unforgiving business and one can go bankrupt quickly if they sell too high, too low, or simply not enough.