Pierre Woodman: "I am a bastard and break the will of girls"

[BlueShadow]

Please, someone can ask them directly? Maybe they can fix this and they will start to retweet his works. They are loosing advertisement from this great producer.
Or maybe they will also answer what PW says about some girls being sent there and doing things they werent' supposed to do. Or even some clarification about that girl being ''aggressive'' and not getting paid. Since these are things that he said on public forum for everyone to see, (nothing private, since he like to talk), maybe they want to answer publicly and about how exactly work a professional shooting by a professional producer as PW is.

[Panorama]

Please, someone can ask them directly? Maybe they can fix this and they will start to retweet his works. They are loosing advertisement from this great producer.
Or maybe they will also answer what PW says about some girls being sent there and doing things they werent' supposed to do. Or even some clarification about that girl being ''aggressive'' and not getting paid. Since these are things that he said on public forum for everyone to see, (nothing private, since he like to talk), maybe they want to answer publicly and about how exactly work a professional shooting by a professional producer as PW is.

Hi Blue,

I already did several months ago. I wrote to them and asked if it was true that they sent models to Woodman and if it was true why they never mentioned him on social media. I asked this question twice via different forms just in case they didn't see one, but I never received an answer. To be fair to "Brillbabes" I have contacted many agencies over the years for various reasons and have not received answers from them either. But I would have thought that if the working relationship was so good with Pierre Woodman they would have promoted him just as much as the other productions you mentioned. What the actual reason is (in my view) is that like I said a few posts back most agencies, organizations (AVN, Venus etc) models, and studios see Woodman as poison. I know I'm going to upset some people by saying this but it's because Woodman can still operate in retrograde Hungary that although they (Brillbabes) know he's as popular as cancer they can still milk him for cash without having to promote him and receive no backlash. I know people say that he moved to Hungary for other reasons but I'd like to bet he moved there because he knew that all the footage he acquired surreptitiously in the Czech Republic could get him in a lot of deep water there now. That's why he doesn't have models from that country anymore, and I'd like to bet he never goes there anymore either. Likewise the rest of Europe and especially America! By the way, did anyone notice that he never said WHERE in the world he was going on holiday until he actually came back from it? Well, that's because he doesn't want any authorities to know where or when he's going. You know what I'm talking about Pierre????

Anyway, If other producers are really serious about removing him from the scene (for the right reasons) then it's up to THEM to cut off his supply of models. That means making it clear that any model who goes to Pierre Woodman for work will NEVER be hired by them. And that means every agency to a man and sticking by it. However, if it's true that most of the agencies work out of Hungary "for convenience" I think the corruption over there runs much deeper than I could possibly imagine and all the agencies have their own little "deals" and skeletons in the cupboard and that's why he can still exist and the war just boils down to name-calling.

As for Pierre and his utter rubbish about models just wanting "fun" well, Pierre doesn't see himself as "a producer" he is having a relationship with these women and he believes (in his head) that all the enjoyment that they have is genuine. You can see in the Viola bailey movie where Woodman tries to kiss Viola after he's just sodomized her behind her boyfriend's back. He doesn't see what he just did as "work" and basically WRONG, he believes Viola is now effectively his. I'm no expert, but how many professional porn stars go off like that after a scene? I think it's made worse by the fact that both Brillbabes, Gabriella, and maybe others in Woodman's entourage will tell the girls to be "sympathetic" and not talk about money in order to get Woodman to pay up. I know this will drive " Cgr69801QUvm_mYtbbqMt_r_p" mad, but I take my hat off to Gabriella for that because she's at least making sure that the models fleece Woodman of money. It still doesn't absolve her of guilt, however.

I would normally feel sorry for someone who has been (in my view) obviously abused in earlier life being taken advantage of by not only some very clever models (I would REALLY LOVE to know who spat at him!) but also his closest "friends". But in Pierre Woodman's case, he has taken that abuse and turned it on unsuspecting young women and for that, I cannot feel sorry for him.

[robin_reid]

I would normally feel sorry for someone who has been (in my view) obviously abused in earlier life being taken advantage of by not only some very clever models (I would REALLY LOVE to know who spat at him!) but also his closest "friends". But in Pierre Woodman's case, he has taken that abuse and turned it on unsuspecting young women and for that, I cannot feel sorry for him.

We don’t know if he has actually been abused by his grandfather, but keep in mind that even if his grandfather only spoke in those anal sex lessons to his underage grandson, that is classified as corruption of minors. If today his grandfather were alive he could be convicted and imprisoned for it.

[ValenciaCF]

He is delusional in his mind. Brillbabes always ignore him but he pretend he is in good friendship bwahahaha he forgot how he was talking about Ezter and her barbies talking shit about her. I'm sure she didn't forget. Keep your enemies closer. They just use him for money and he is under impression they like him. Same story with the girls, they lie to him with a fake message with happy face and he get excited he post it on his forum 'so sweet and cool she is'

I don't see other people doing this but he tries so hard to convince people that other people like him. It's actually laughable how paranoid and egotistical he is.

Now...about Dee Vine.. watch how Woodman gets caught in his own web of lies. The girl quits porn(funny how so many he say start with him but suddenly always quit) then she close her [spam], so PW being the paranoid ape that he is, writes on his forum that he had nothing to do with it as always. Instead he makes a lie about some photographer causing her trouble and that's the reason she stopped.
Initially he said "she told him she did 4 scenes with her bf for OF". One of the members said that her OF had no such videos as PW suggested, so he makes a lie that the videos are still to come out. Then he sends a second post telling everyone that the 4 scenes she did was for a VR production
So who is lying??? He said she told him it was for her OF then changed his tune that it was for VR
When you tell too many lies, you are bound to get caught.

So why doesn't PW explain why so many girls appear only 1time for him and disappear??? Surely this is stramge behavior and each time his excuse is somebody else caused trouble and the girl decided to stop. Really??? Or maybe he's just trying to cover up the shady business he does.

Ruby Sims,Elisen, Dee Vine, Rosie Bee, Charlotte Jeez, Doly Katt, Sandra Blue,Ninalust, Dhalia Janeiro....where all these girls coming from and disappearing lololol Dhalia is a nurse now btw. He gave her good money for one time fuck, now she working.

[Visionary_sight]

I’m new too this. You guys have done a great investigative job regarding PW. My first awareness of him was when Caylian Curtis first emerged. She was heavily promoted and she only released one hardcore scene and that took a while to get released and the scene itself wasn’t anything special. However, then apparently he had a photo set of her doing dp. He eventually released this, but to this day that video for that doesn’t exist. I seriously doubt that. He probably keeps it to himself.

The other thing was his appearance on Theroux’s documentary. It was odd. The grandfather reveal was strange. It was like he was extremely proud of a special method that has been passed down the generations. And this claim was a full proof reason why girls should shoot anal with him. In reality, it’s just a con and isn’t a valid reason to do this with him. The claim itself if true is as Robin has said, criminal. Not something to be proud or share on broadcast.

He had a run in with Zlata Shine. Apparently, they arranged a meeting and she came but rejected him straightaway, then afterwards he goes to his forum and starts bad mouthing her. Saying she will not go far and in real life she is not attractive.
That’s clearly not the case. She’s gorgeous. Other members on this thread started arguing with him about not making nasty comments on a girls face. In the end he had to close the page down.

For me I don’t like his casting style. Visually it looks rubbish. And let’s be honest. Why would any young girl want to shoot in those conditions? In a dark and murky place with a man who looks like a creep and judging by his tv appearance he’s clearly arrogant and a bully. I can’t see a future for his work. Time has moved on. Nobody wants to see shoddy scenes.

[BlueShadow]

I’m new too this. You guys have done a great investigative job regarding PW. My first awareness of him was when Caylian Curtis first emerged. She was heavily promoted and she only released one hardcore scene and that took a while to get released and the scene itself wasn’t anything special. However, then apparently he had a photo set of her doing dp. He eventually released this, but to this day that video for that doesn’t exist. I seriously doubt that. He probably keeps it to himself.

The other thing was his appearance on Theroux’s documentary. It was odd. The grandfather reveal was strange. It was like he was extremely proud of a special method that has been passed down the generations. And this claim was a full proof reason why girls should shoot anal with him. In reality, it’s just a con and isn’t a valid reason to do this with him. The claim itself if true is as Robin has said, criminal. Not something to be proud or share on broadcast.

He had a run in with Zlata Shine. Apparently, they arranged a meeting and she came but rejected him straightaway, then afterwards he goes to his forum and starts bad mouthing her. Saying she will not go far and in real life she is not attractive.
That’s clearly not the case. She’s gorgeous. Other members on this thread started arguing with him about not making nasty comments on a girls face. In the end he had to close the page down.

For me I don’t like his casting style. Visually it looks rubbish. And let’s be honest. Why would any young girl want to shoot in those conditions? In a dark and murky place with a man who looks like a creep and judging by his tv appearance he’s clearly arrogant and a bully. I can’t see a future for his work. Time has moved on. Nobody wants to see shoddy scenes.

Some agencies will continue to send girls there for the easy money, more money in the shortest time possible, someone if he exploits well can also get 5000-10000 for 3 days of ''work'', if I had an agency of adult models I would never make the girls appear there (and as a matter of fact Brillbabes takes his money but never directly publicizes the scenes that the models do there, in Budapest is ''protected'' and no one is interested in seriously investigate certain behaviors... and many girls do not even talk after what they go through because they are ashamed of what they have accepted to do, after his psychological games, look for example what he wrote about this ''aggressive'' girl who refused to publish the video ... who is she? Is something known? Nothing... if only they would talk... instead nothing, because she is probably a newbie... and she is at a disadvantage. (and he is so arrogant and sure of himself that he talks about it on a public forum like it was nothing...)
The only method is for the members to continue to be fewer and fewer. But even here there is a certain segment of sick people who continue not to see and are treated like goats ... simply there is a world of idiots and he exploits this with fake smiles, hype and teasing and also allows himself to be arrogant.

as if he were a member his request for the usual update is accepted...




He makes fun of them under their noses to these goats.




And warn as many newbies as possible, simply by showing his words and his ''work''.

[BlueShadow]

justifies a scene released 8! years later with: I had something else to do... and they are fine with it. You can believe it?

[BlueShadow]

He had a run in with Zlata Shine. Apparently, they arranged a meeting and she came but rejected him straightaway, then afterwards he goes to his forum and starts bad mouthing her. Saying she will not go far and in real life she is not attractive.
That’s clearly not the case. She’s gorgeous. Other members on this thread started arguing with him about not making nasty comments on a girls face. In the end he had to close the page down.

Of course, who seriously believes that shit? Do you think that if he had the opportunity he would not have had sex with her? He has "worked" with girls much less attractive...
But some girls have some standards , others want the money and will do anything.

[BlueShadow]

and with 'anything' I mean also ''working'' with an old hairy man with a handy cam in a cheap hotel room and getting pissed in the mouth in the toilet thinking that this could serve their hypothetical career... Because that's what it is, let's be clear. But if it's good enough for them...I repeat...who are we to judge.

[Visionary_sight]

He had a run in with Zlata Shine. Apparently, they arranged a meeting and she came but rejected him straightaway, then afterwards he goes to his forum and starts bad mouthing her. Saying she will not go far and in real life she is not attractive.
That’s clearly not the case. She’s gorgeous. Other members on this thread started arguing with him about not making nasty comments on a girls face. In the end he had to close the page down.

Of course, who seriously believes that shit? Do you think that if he had the opportunity he would not have had sex with her? He has "worked" with girls much less attractive...
But some girls have some standards , others want the money and will do anything.

Personally, I doubt that meeting ever took place. I think maybe there was an online email to her agency etc and she might have just ignored him or asked the agency to reject the request to him. So he then makes up a story they agreed to meet up and she then rudely dismissed him. That really doesn’t make sense. Why would any girl agree to meet up then make the effort to get dressed then travel all the way to a particular location, probably using a self paid taxi or public transport, then reject him directly to his face instantly? Without any discussion? No negotiations?

As you say some models have standards. And Zlata clearly knows her worth and rejected his advances before it got any further.

Yes, with him it’s really weird. 8 years? If he’s that disorganised due to demand, maybe he needs to hire a PA or secretary to keep on track of scenes on time lol.

[Panorama]

I’m new too this. You guys have done a great investigative job regarding PW. My first awareness of him was when Caylian Curtis first emerged. She was heavily promoted and she only released one hardcore scene and that took a while to get released and the scene itself wasn’t anything special. However, then apparently he had a photo set of her doing dp. He eventually released this, but to this day that video for that doesn’t exist. I seriously doubt that. He probably keeps it to himself.

The other thing was his appearance on Theroux’s documentary. It was odd. The grandfather reveal was strange. It was like he was extremely proud of a special method that has been passed down the generations. And this claim was a full proof reason why girls should shoot anal with him. In reality, it’s just a con and isn’t a valid reason to do this with him. The claim itself if true is as Robin has said, criminal. Not something to be proud or share on broadcast.

He had a run in with Zlata Shine. Apparently, they arranged a meeting and she came but rejected him straightaway, then afterwards he goes to his forum and starts bad mouthing her. Saying she will not go far and in real life she is not attractive.
That’s clearly not the case. She’s gorgeous. Other members on this thread started arguing with him about not making nasty comments on a girls face. In the end he had to close the page down.

For me I don’t like his casting style. Visually it looks rubbish. And let’s be honest. Why would any young girl want to shoot in those conditions? In a dark and murky place with a man who looks like a creep and judging by his tv appearance he’s clearly arrogant and a bully. I can’t see a future for his work. Time has moved on. Nobody wants to see shoddy scenes.

Hi Visionary,

Unfortunately, much of our investigative exploration (in my case) is hindered greatly by my own lack of knowledge about the hardcore world and the apparent "wall of silence" that exists within it. More often than not enquiries particularly about Pierre woodman are met with unanswered emails or models that simply will not talk about him. The information that I have managed to acquire has come mainly from watching Woodman's videos (I hate that type of hardcore believe it or not) as I'm very good at translating people's body language and expressions. There are many scenes where Woodman members have acclaimed a model's enthusiasm for a particular scene but in actual fact, you can see revulsion and disgust at what she's doing on her face. Likewise, they have also complained that a model has shown disinterest in a scene when she is actually showing signs of deep sexual pleasure. And that is the problem I have with Woodman, he had the opportunity to be a well know well-loved sex guru, because (and I don't mind admitting it) he is very good at what he does "sexually". Unfortunately, he has ruined any chance of this with his deceit, lies, and manipulation of people and models.
Not only has he sullied his own reputation with the aforementioned qualities, but he has also then lessened the names of some of the most beautiful women in the adult industry to the extent that they do not want their humiliating "castings" to be ever seen. In his quest to get a "natural" response from women i.e. make them orgasm and enjoy lovemaking without the pressure of being "on camera", he forgot that many will "perform" anyway unnaturally, simply because of who he is a porn director/producer/actor. But there are also those who have trusted him and his words and have completely let go and enjoyed the sex thinking that because he has reassured them their experience is not being filmed. For me, I don't know about anyone else but that is like being emotionally raped. You are sharing a deeply intimate moment (regardless of whether you are a pornstar or not they're still human) that you believe is private, then Woodman asks you to sign a release for it! That is a cold calculating bastard and It's all such a waste.

in Budapest is ''protected'' and no one is interested in seriously investigate certain behaviors

I've believed this for a long time Blue and know this is why Woodman only operates there now. The law here in England changed a few years ago when it became illegal to film someone engaged in a sexual act without their knowledge. Many of Woodman's films would see him in jail in this country if any model complained. I'm pretty sure that any model who has been filmed secretly by Woodman and has refused to sign the release would have a very good case against him in the European courts also as those movies could be used by him to "blackmail" them (I'm not saying he does) All very dodgy and would explain why everyone HAS to travel to him in Budapest now. I'm pretty sure the corruption there is deep and extensive and goes some way to supporting other PornBox members' claims that his CastingX site is a front for an even less legal (if that's at all possible) income.

The Zlata Shine, Emerald Ocean, and St Martha saga is again a classic example of Pierre Woodman's immaturity and possessiveness. All three of these young women are gorgeous (despite Woodman's claims) and for whatever reason, they turned Pierre down. This would have drilled very deeply into his psyche. Don't forget, he's not a professional man, he can't take rejection like a professional and just move on, he has to have a "relationship" with the women on his terms. If they turn him down without even giving him the opportunity to manipulate them he sees it as a HUGE failure on his part, and as we know narcissists don't take failure well. This ends up with him childishly calling them names, saying they aren't really that good looking (Really??) and finally locking the thread and taking all his toys and his squeaky hammer home. I would like to bet he did EVERYTHING he could to ruin those women's careers after that.

On a side note: Can anyone tell me, when a pornstar has a blood test do they get a certificate that has a validity period? Like it covers you to have sex with Bob on Monday, and then Mary, Pete, and Jimmy in a threesome the week after etc? Or does that certificate only clear them for one scene with a particular partner(s) and then if they want to do more scenes they have to do another test? Also, can you get a blood test on a weekend or is it a 9-5 Monday to Friday thing?

[Visionary_sight]

Thanks for your acknowledgement Panorama.

Yes, filming them without their consent or tricking them to think they are off and then making them sign a release form. Should be jail time as you have written. He’s fortunate where he is.

I just don’t see the appeal. Apart from what BlueShadow has mentioned regarding financial circumstances. But for me if I was a young woman it’s a big RED flag to me. There are much better and professional companies and agencies that deliver.

This guy is finished. He may have had something 20 yrs ago. But I can’t see any appeal for anyone, the girls, the actor and the starlets. Does he actually make any profit? Most of his stuff appears to be old stuff. I looked at two castings the other day. I recently discovered a model called Jenny Ulvari/Marina Jenson, he’s only released a BTS segment of her in a dp, but what about the actual dp scene? Where did that go? Then my personal favourite, Karma Rosenberg, she did a casting and in it she is looking hot doing some hardcore action and we only see snippets of the backstage of it being filmed. Where on earth did the actual video go for that? How frustrating must it be for actual subscribers? You expect a scene to be coming then he goes back on his word, then he moves on and he then releases it 10 yrs later or he never does and keeps it to himself.

[dap-addict]

I’m new too this. You guys have done a great investigative job regarding PW.

Unfortunately, much of our investigative exploration (in my case) is hindered greatly by my own lack of knowledge about the hardcore world and the apparent "wall of silence" that exists within it.

Hey, you both are nice, but did you read really back?
Core is, its not about hardcore porn with lier APE's work since more than 10y already. His website is just covering up another main interest. He just pretends to want the girls to shoot porn, he actually does it to some extent, but main biz and income is somewhere else.
This said ofc he can also be nice and charming with some girls. And few girls only shoot hardcore scenes for him and its all fine and they even can work for other studios as well, but its all made-up for his do-as-if, its still not his interest anymore to shoot porn.

[robin_reid]

On a side note: Can anyone tell me, when a pornstar has a blood test do they get a certificate that has a validity period? Like it covers you to have sex with Bob on Monday, and then Mary, Pete, and Jimmy in a threesome the week after etc? Or does that certificate only clear them for one scene with a particular partner(s) and then if they want to do more scenes they have to do another test? Also, can you get a blood test on a weekend or is it a 9-5 Monday to Friday thing?

Test in porn (blood and urine) has a validity period of 14 days, counting since the extraction day. I attached you a sample recent test I did: april 06 the day of extraction, válido hasta (valid until) april 19, on april 20 the test is already expired. Performers doesn’t do a new test for every new shooting, rule is 14 days for everyone. About test in weekend it depends of the lab… Here in Spain for years in our porn lab it was only from monday to friday but now we can also pass test on saturday.

[Visionary_sight]

I’m new too this. You guys have done a great investigative job regarding PW.

Unfortunately, much of our investigative exploration (in my case) is hindered greatly by my own lack of knowledge about the hardcore world and the apparent "wall of silence" that exists within it.

Hey, you both are nice, but did you read really back?
Core is, its not about hardcore porn with lier APE's work since more than 10y already. His website is just covering up another main interest. He just pretends to want the girls to shoot porn, he actually does it to some extent, but main biz and income is somewhere else.
This said ofc he can also be nice and charming with some girls. And few girls only shoot hardcore scenes for him and its all fine and they even can work for other studios as well, but its all made-up for his do-as-if, its still not his interest anymore to shoot porn.

I’ve just joined and recently started getting into these studios. I got curious about this thread and tried to understand a bit more. There’s roughly 73/74 pages. I’ve not gone through every page, but I’ve read the more recent ones and can see the level of analysis that has been observed by the users. And I’m not really surprised, by any of it. All of his contradictions, backchat, lies etc. To the point he has to set up a fake account on his own forum replying to himself. Sounds rather desperate to me.

[Panorama]

Test in porn (blood and urine) has a validity period of 14 days, counting since the extraction day. I attached you a sample recent test I did: april 06 the day of extraction, válido hasta (valid until) april 19, on april 20 the test is already expired. Performers doesn’t do a new test for every new shooting, rule is 14 days for everyone. About test in weekend it depends of the lab… Here in Spain for years in our porn lab it was only from monday to friday but now we can also pass test on Saturday.

Ah, great thanks for that Robin!

This guy is finished

If only it were that easy Visionary!
Like dap-addict said I've been told that he runs "CastingX" as a hobby of his and doesn't need the money from it, that's why he can basically treats members like crap (which he does) because he has "other" dealings that pay the bills. I was sceptical of that at first but the longer I've looked into Mr Woodman even I'm coming round to this thought from the very scarce evidence there is out there.
I don't think the site will close unless other companies really put the hammer down and make it known that any model who appears on his site is "blacklisted" by all the other sites. You then get a situation where a model will be truly exclusive for Woodman but her career will be effectively over as not everyone wants to see a beautiful young woman being sodomized by grandad and his golf team! I'm sure not many models would relish that thought! It would take a lot of cooperation and goodwill by competing companies but it would work IF they were serious. Unfortunately, when you have agencies like "BRILLBABES" who are complicit with Woodman you are fighting an uphill battle.

For me, it's important that we continue to warn young inexperienced models about the devil that is Pierre Woodman, I've managed to stop 4 from seeing him, that's four young women who will be able to get married and have kids not worrying about what they did one day in a cheap hotel for a fist full of money because they spent too much time being wined and dined by a preditor.
The reason why you only see BTS is that many of the models will have refused to sign the release (for reasons already stated above) but Pierre will tell the members that he has the full casting which will be released at a later date. Of course, it never is but because he gives them a "carrot" or two they'll hang on for years, sometimes decades in the hope that he'll release the clip, but without the consent, it's NEVER going to happen.

Only the other day "zarafan" asked Woodman about the release of Suzana P's casting. He's been waiting and asking for over a decade for something and Woodman says things like "maybe I can release something as she did sign something for me" making out that he can release the scene but doesn't out of respect for her. In actual fact, I've already spoken with a model who was very close to her last year and she made it clear that her scene with Woodman would NEVER be seen. If it was, her husband who holds a very good position would sue him for every penny (or Euro) he had. Big time!

So it's basically Woodman playing around making his members look like fools and to a large extent he's doing a very good job..... Unfortunately.

[Visionary_sight]

Yes Panorama, that makes sense regarding release forms. And then what he manipulatively says to his members concerninh the scenes.

Considering how badly he runs his company from a visual pov along with the poor treatment of his members and models. It makes sense that he would have another greater source of income. I just can’t see, much like you guys how this man can generate anything?

I’m just one person, but generally I’m the more vanilla type of adult film viewer, and certainly not a forum user, but I totally found it difficult to not go on this website and check out all the beautiful girls. I was drawn in. I’d probably say I belong to a different demographic. If that can happen with me, I’m sure there would be a growing appeal for others in my position. So you have to say this company is growing commercially and doing something right. Whereas with him it’s totally rubbish for 20 yrs. I’ve never seen any selling point in what he does. Nothing has changed.

What do Brillbabes get out of it? Let’s say they get a new hot model, they then send her to PW, she returns traumatised and decides to take a break and ultimately retire. So they would lose out. Why do they what they do?

[dap-addict]

For me, it's important that we continue to warn young inexperienced models about the devil that is Pierre Woodman, I've managed to stop 4 from seeing him

+ 1
Thats a really worthwhile initiative of you.
Alternatively girls can get briefed and warned before they go to meet him, but thats a kind of roulette still.

Finally I talked with trusted models who claim he was professional on set when actually shooting. Its rather all the dinners and interviews etc. that are the problem. For really strong and life experienced models he may be no harm. But usually he preys for other models.

[BlueShadow]

Yes Panorama, that makes sense regarding release forms. And then what he manipulatively says to his members concerninh the scenes.

for example in this case...he released this ''scene'' 6 years later...now this model has disappeared and as a result she can't talk about her true feeling and he gets away with it....and also allows himself to be arrogant and make fun of her. (Obviously he doesn't do it with other American girls, like Emma Hix, who also complained about what he did with PW and how she was uncomfortable).
Imagine if a serious producer made fun of a famous model, if it can be called professional... he is just childish. Obviously he does it with newbie and/or retired from porn.


(clearly she wasn't comfortable in what she did and she also complained to the ''agent'' at the time (it's all on his propaganda forum where he turns everything in his favor, when in fact it's only an example of how he exploits girls thanks to some creepy ''agents''...there was the time when he went to the USA and lured girls with the complicity of Derek Hay. Now for clear reasons he doesn't go there anymore...(And he also has the nerve to tag LADirectModels thanking them...as if they want to have something to do with him)And shows how arrogant he is and how he thinks he can do and say whatever he wants thinking people will always shut up. But here is not enough you have to show what he writes on his propaganda forum, how he talks bad about each of his competitors, what he say about be sneaky with agencies, how he talks bad about models who simply say no, his ''love'' for Putin and everything else on other social media. He deserves a lot more coverage, so let's see what the majority thinks of this clown.

I repeat, there is a REASON that Brillbabes never retweets him.
He can make those fake smiles all he wants... doesn't work with those who don't need to kiss his ass (sometimes I pity BB and certain agents and models, if only they would talk...)


PS
Look at the interview, I don't know about you, but I immediately have the feeling of how fake he is in what he says, the tone he uses etc. then when he plays the part of the moralizer accusing the tubes if a girl sees porn at 13 years old, playing the part of the good father, when in reality he has only one thing in his head, to exploit another girl for his own purposes. (they are brainwashed and probably after they will regret it, as happened to Ruby Sims and mooore others, this dude is a cancer.)

[BlueShadow]

PPS
He moralizes when a girl at 13 years old watch porn but it is ok to say in an interview that his grandfather talked to him about anal sex when he was a kid.
This is PW... and they are not ashamed to send models there (if we can call them like that) or maybe they're ashamed, since they never mention him, but at least the money comes in handy)

[BlueShadow]

This is Woodman...he calls himself professional but hates working with professional girls because he knows they will not tolerate his illegal and improper bullshit that he do with naive girls on his set.

You forgot this part, where he show who he is, a child of 7 years old



PW reply:


It was a simple discussion, no offense...how do you think he reacted? By being paranoid, and as his beloved Putin teaches by silencing them and banning them for speaking their mind.

Then he goes on to insist that others pay girls for sex...he enjoys 18 year olds...paying them anyway! His brain is so distorted by his ego that he can't realize it.

Then the funny ending. "My great life"... and then when they talked about vanity, narcissism and megalomania they were wrong... (not realizing that with this last post, full of praise to himself and where he bans them confirms what they say).
Too hard not to be able to have a full erection anymore?

[Visionary_sight]

PPS
He moralizes when a girl at 13 years old watch porn but it is ok to say in an interview that his grandfather talked to him about anal sex when he was a kid.
This is PW... and they are not ashamed to send models there (if we can call them like that) or maybe they're ashamed, since they never mention him, but at least the money comes in handy)

It’s a bizarre revelation. True or not. It’s not something any sane man would want to reveal to a major broadcasting channel. Let alone a friend. What’s worse he did it with a smile completely oblivious to how weird and disturbing it was what he said.

If any girls have seen him in the interview, I can’t believe they will be convinced about him now. He’s pretty much dug his own hole there by opening up this bit of information to Louis.

[Panorama]

+ 1
Thats a really worthwhile initiative of you.
Alternatively girls can get briefed and warned before they go to meet him, but thats a kind of roulette still.

Finally I talked with trusted models who claim he was professional on set when actually shooting. Its rather all the dinners and interviews etc. that are the problem. For really strong and life experienced models he may be no harm. But usually he preys for other models.

It only makes sense to me dap, I'm not "in the industry" but thanks to social media the models are now not so far away as they once were so contacting them (even if they don't reply) and giving those who may not know Woodman the heads up is a lot easier. But yes that point about Woodman and professional models is such a frustrating point for me personally and I'm willing to accept that some models have had a good time with him. I was speaking to one young lady only last week who I tried to warn about him, but she confirmed that she'd already seen him that week and she had a great time. If he had treated EVERY model with that respect this forum wouldn't be here and it certainly WOULDN'T be 73 pages long!!
I would love to have utter respect for the guy (whilst also harbouring some jealousy) with his skill for making women orgasm, and the range of beautiful women he's had. But the lies, deceit, and most of all the manipulation of young women by someone who really SHOULD know better just makes me want to vomit instead.
Of course, normality like what I would imagine is never going to be forthcoming with Woodman because underlying all his apparent "good guy" image lies something far more sinister. He knows that professional models know the game, they know what's expected of them, how much they're going to ba paid etc, that's why he doesn't try it on with them and they (rightly so) think he's great. Then you have the man that will think nothing of sodomizing an 18-year-old simply because she is 18 and never even consider her naivety, never consider her mental state, never consider her relationship status, and never consider whether she is going to be beaten up when people back home find out what he did to her. That is someone with no soul, no empathy. Not someone to call "Master".

With regard to your comment about Woodman's grandfather Visionary talking to him about anal sex. If you watch Woodman's castings he tells the models that he HAS TO SHOW THEM the sexual technique. I'm pretty sure that this was taught (practically) to Woodman when he was a child as he said. If you've ever had anal sex with a woman while stimulating her G-spot you'll know that you have to feel for her Skene glands (similar to our prostate) in order to make her go off like a rocket. You can't just point at it because it's inside. To show Woodman what to do (and I hate having to say this) his grandfather would have had to physically show him!! Anyone watching that BBC documentary (around 65 million in the U.K. alone) would have known that, and indeed Louis Theroux's face just about said everything we ALL were thinking. While his grandfather obviously taught him very well about the practical side of the abuse he also did a great job making normality out of
all the lies and deceit surrounding it too. Normally, that would be a tragedy to know the young lad went through stuff like that, but when you see what kind of man turned out 30 years later, right or wrong, it's not acceptable to inflict that suffered by yourself on others. (That's my opinion by the way it's not necessarily a fact)

[Visionary_sight]

Well, that’s pretty disturbing Panorama. It would explain a lot. I’ve heard some victims of abuse often doing it themselves to others. I tell you one thing, when I first saw this guy’s face roughly 15-17 yrs ago I thought he was a creep. That bald head, cheesy grin and overweight exterior. He was the definition of someone you would think of as a sleaze. In some ways it’s a self fulfilling prophecy that’s he walked into.

[BlueShadow]

I was speaking to one young lady only last week who I tried to warn about him, but she confirmed that she'd already seen him that week and she had a great time. If he had treated EVERY model with that respect this forum wouldn't be here and it certainly WOULDN'T be 73 pages long!!

Yes, but in that case you should have asked if she will do other anal/DP, if she has a regular exclusivity contract with him (which I doubt) if everything she did was agreed before the shooting and if she knew what kind of shooting it was, number of guys etc.
Many, believe me, are vague (or because they are ashamed, or they have understood that it is not a professional thing, or they want to protect the agency they work for, or they don't want to reveal the lies he tell about some, clearly, staged casting).

[robin_reid]

With regard to your comment about Woodman's grandfather Visionary talking to him about anal sex. If you watch Woodman's castings he tells the models that he HAS TO SHOW THEM the sexual technique. I'm pretty sure that this was taught (practically) to Woodman when he was a child as he said. If you've ever had anal sex with a woman while stimulating her G-spot you'll know that you have to feel for her Skene glands (similar to our prostate) in order to make her go off like a rocket. You can't just point at it because it's inside. To show Woodman what to do (and I hate having to say this) his grandfather would have had to physically show him!! Anyone watching that BBC documentary (around 65 million in the U.K. alone) would have known that, and indeed Louis Theroux's face just about said everything we ALL were thinking. While his grandfather obviously taught him very well about the practical side of the abuse he also did a great job making normality out of
all the lies and deceit surrounding it too. Normally, that would be a tragedy to know the young lad went through stuff like that, but when you see what kind of man turned out 30 years later, right or wrong, it's not acceptable to inflict that suffered by yourself on others. (That's my opinion by the way it's not necessarily a fact)

Even if the anal sex lessons were just theoretical, only a mentally disturbed person would talk about such a thing with his grandson... I’m an open mind person but there are certain limits... A grandfather giving anal sex lessons to his grandson, no matter if minor or +18yo, it is something depravated, inmoral and disgusting.

[Panorama]

Yes, but in that case you should have asked if she will do other anal/DP, if she has a regular exclusivity contract with him (which I doubt) if everything she did was agreed before the shooting and if she knew what kind of shooting it was, number of guys etc.
Many, believe me, are vague (or because they are ashamed, or they have understood that it is not a professional thing, or they want to protect the agency they work for, or they don't want to reveal the lies he tell about some, clearly, staged casting).

To be honest Blue, I was willing to take the woman at her word. If she has a regular contract or not is really no business of mine. If she's tried the wine and she liked it, no convincing by me is going to make her dislike it. I don't mind if models say Woodman was fine with them, there is no doubt that the man is bad news but the fact will be that some models will like working with him and we should accept that. If we can accept that some models do/will like working with Woodman it makes us better than him because we're being honest. That's what I try to project when I talk with these women, they're not stupid and can see exaggerations a mile away.
I've found in my short time talking with them that the models fall into four groups (1) just don't answer you and have already turned off comments on their social media. (2) Have no clue who he is and are interested in what information and evidence you have and then decide for themselves. (3) Already know about Woodman and have told or have been told by their agencies that they do not wish to meet with him. (4) Models who have already met Woodman and either will or won't be seeing him again. For me, I'm only interested in models in group (2) because they are the ones willing to listen. I'm not pestering them which is just going to make them do the opposite of what I'm trying to show them. It's worked for me four times already, that's four models saved from that monster so I'm just going to keep doing what I'm doing. Believe me if I could stand outside his cheap hotels and physically stop them from going in there I would, but you can only lead a horse to water and all that.

[BlueShadow]

Yes, but in that case you should have asked if she will do other anal/DP, if she has a regular exclusivity contract with him (which I doubt) if everything she did was agreed before the shooting and if she knew what kind of shooting it was, number of guys etc.
Many, believe me, are vague (or because they are ashamed, or they have understood that it is not a professional thing, or they want to protect the agency they work for, or they don't want to reveal the lies he tell about some, clearly, staged casting).

To be honest Blue, I was willing to take the woman at her word. If she has a regular contract or not is really no business of mine. If she's tried the wine and she liked it, no convincing by me is going to make her dislike it. I don't mind if models say Woodman was fine with them, there is no doubt that the man is bad news but the fact will be that some models will like working with him and we should accept that. If we can accept that some models do/will like working with Woodman it makes us better than him because we're being honest. That's what I try to project when I talk with these women, they're not stupid and can see exaggerations a mile away.
I've found in my short time talking with them that the models fall into four groups (1) just don't answer you and have already turned off comments on their social media. (2) Have no clue who he is and are interested in what information and evidence you have and then decide for themselves. (3) Already know about Woodman and have told or have been told by their agencies that they do not wish to meet with him. (4) Models who have already met Woodman and either will or won't be seeing him again. For me, I'm only interested in models in group (2) because they are the ones willing to listen. I'm not pestering them which is just going to make them do the opposite of what I'm trying to show them. It's worked for me four times already, that's four models saved from that monster so I'm just going to keep doing what I'm doing. Believe me if I could stand outside his cheap hotels and physically stop them from going in there I would, but you can only lead a horse to water and all that.

The problem is that he often puts stupidity in the heads of these newbies, blocking them for others just for his own interest (promising that it will be good for their careers etc. when in fact he wants to hook them before they learn how the business works). For me, sending an newbie into a room with him and subjecting her to hours of talking and psychological pressure is never a good thing.

[Panorama]

it's good to see that paranoia is still gripping the Woodman clan. At this rate, they'll have chased every new member out of town because they believe that they're being infiltrated by the "Circus"! They try to compare and justify Woodman's old arthritic site with its old poorly shot content that everyone has seen before on the tubes with a new vibrant platform that lets FANS of the models interact DIRECTLY with them. Which would you rather do, have your favourite model mention your name, speak with you, and have a connection with you? Or login to Woodman's offering of empty promises that are NEVER fulfilled, listening to him giving sermons about why Russia is right killing thousands of people, then watching movies that are incomplete poorly shot with even worse directing. Good lord, you must all be mad.

What is happening with Only Fans is the fact that models have now begun to realize that it is THEY who are the stars, it's THEM that the guys (and girls) want to see. They can control who and what they do and keep ALL the money. It's the porn industry's fault that this has occurred, people just like Pierre Woodman who has used young women like Virginy Lovely and tossed them aside whilst clawing in all the money from his unsuspecting members. He gets to live in a multi-million dollar home, jet off to far-flung places on holiday while his charges hideaway with no money in foreign countries too scared to go home. He's been doing it for years and years and he never thought that one-day things would change. Well, they have.

He even tried to set up his own version of Only Fans but because the dinosaur is so out of touch, and his investors so doubtful of his capabilities "do I really want to be associated with Pierre Woodman?" it flopped even before it took off!!

Like it or not Woodman, Only fans is here to stay. Your site is already haemorrhaging members because of your continued support of Putin who, believe it or not, people (your members) DO NOT LIKE, not to mention your out of date, incomplete travesty of an archive that nobody is ever going to see! Get used to talking to your own alter-egos Pierre because soon they'll be the only ones listening to you.

On a side note: Could you just explain why for the life of me I cannot find ANY early hardcore videos of Sophie Paris on the internet? We know she did do them, but I can't seem to find any. Pierre?

[robin_reid]

A tech business that wants to be like OF and be competitor, and that puts an old fart dinosaur like Woodman as its image, that is a business that is dead before it starts... The people who came up with that “genious idea” needs a little basic marketing lessons.

[ValenciaCF]

About the lab tests in porn. I know it's 14 days but it really means putting your trust in a performer to be safe outside of work. Everyone says they are safe but they are actually not. You can show a perfomer the test and do the scene and maybe next day you are scheduled to do another scene with abother performer...BUT..if that person goes home and has unprotected sex with some stranger at home and they lick up a disease. The next day that same lerformwr is going to infect someone else. So in porn it really means blindly putting your trust in colleagues to do the right thing outside of work. The test shows a performer is free from disease amd its valid for 14 days, but what happens inbetween those 14days of theu are irresponsible when you are not on set, nobody knows...and there can still be repercussions for other performers

[robin_reid]

About the lab tests in porn. I know it's 14 days but it really means putting your trust in a performer to be safe outside of work. Everyone says they are safe but they are actually not. You can show a perfomer the test and do the scene and maybe next day you are scheduled to do another scene with abother performer...BUT..if that person goes home and has unprotected sex with some stranger at home and they lick up a disease. The next day that same lerformwr is going to infect someone else. So in porn it really means blindly putting your trust in colleagues to do the right thing outside of work. The test shows a performer is free from disease amd its valid for 14 days, but what happens inbetween those 14days of theu are irresponsible when you are not on set, nobody knows...and there can still be repercussions for other performers

We are a small circle but yes, sometimes shit happens… specially with newcomers. But for example, 1 year ago I cancelled a shooting with the model already with the make up, dressed, with her 5 days old test and with everything ready at the moment that she was saying there that the day before was shooting OF contents with a random guy with no test, yes with condom but with no test (chlamidia and ghonorrea can be contagied even wearing condom). She was very pissed off, cried, screemed me and insulted me like if there is no tomorrow… But I was totally in my right doing that and with reason; 2 days later I had to renew my test and the GG studio had already bought me a ticket to Prague. Imagine that this girl was contagied with chlamydia by this random guy, then she infected me, I go to renew my test and… surprise surprise… positive… Trip canceled, some money lost with the air ticket, etc… Chlamydia and ghonorrea if detected early when you don't even have symptoms is not dangerous, some antibiotic pills during 10 days or so and you are ready… but all the cancellation issues can cause you losses. Btw, I knew that her shooting with that guy was with no test because I pressured her by asking her if please that guy had or hadn’t test when I saw images from her phone fucking with condom, and I suspected that…

[Panorama]

That actually sounds quite worrying Robin, basically, you're saying that a lot of your profession is based on TRUST as there is no real-time way of telling if someone has an STD. I guess that's not something many people think about when they're watching their favourite porn star!

On a side note: One of Pierre's members wants to know who the first French Arab porn actress was. I think that considering Woodman has committed several disrespectful crimes shooting porn in Muslim counties he might want to keep away from this question.

[robin_reid]

That actually sounds quite worrying Robin, basically, you're saying that a lot of your profession is based on TRUST as there is no real-time way of telling if someone has an STD. I guess that's not something many people think about when they're watching their favourite porn star!

When I started in porn the validity of the test was 30 days, then it was lowered to 21 days and since in 2019 a spanish actor was + in HIV and exposed 9 models, the euro biz agreed to lower it to 14 days and add an additional result of HIV viral load. Basically it is that a performer, for respect to other performers, should not have sex with random or non tested people during that period of 14 days or between shootings. From my experience, this biz is quite safe and 100% of the + results that I have seen in the last 2 years in my productions were from girls who were tested for the first time to debut, and then I saw also some + results from girls who were contagied but when they were not in shooting period, and when testing to go to new shootings they were + in chlamidia or ghonorrea.

[BlueShadow]

He talks too much, and every time he confirms things himself



1-So, we have a grandpa telling his 7 year old grandson to contract his pelvic muscles when he is at SCHOOL What normal grandpa would think of saying these things to his 7 year old grandson...
2-His grandfather talked to him about anal sex, drawn on a piece of paper, etc. to his underage grandson (since he lost his virginity at 14, as he says...). Very normal in all families.

But here he says it is very complicated to explain...
probably this grandfather was very efficient in explaining the ''technique'' to his 14 year old grandson.

However, here he was saying that there is no point in writing it down on a piece of paper...it is something you have to see....

He says so many cotradictions that is there really anyone who still believes him? He speaks only for his own convenience this clown.

Personally I am not saying that this grandfather has abused his grandson, I don't even want to think that...but if we want to say that it is normal for a grandfather to say those things to his 7 years old grandson, to move his pelvic muscles while he is in school, (who knows what the teachers thought, he must have been caught a few times? )
And then show on a piece of paper anal sex technique...even if it is a non sense (as HE said HIMSELF! He contradicts himself...as always...)



PS

About the last point, he thinks it's stupid to post things about models who have said they have enjoyed with him... maybe in his distorted brain, and always thinking in a sneaky way is stupid, I think it's just right. Concept that he obviously doesn't have in his brain bent by his ego.

[BlueShadow]

And anyway since he found the time to read this forum and write that post on his forum, how come he doesn't answer the other things? Like why Brillbabes never retweets the shootings of this great producer even if PW keep mentioning them and thanks them on his tweets. I mean, they send girls there and they don't promotes their first shoot? (and yet this should push their careers, from what PW says...)

[Panorama]

Oh, I love it Blue!

I'm actually a little flattered that one of my posts has actually niggled Woodman enough that he felt the need to post it and try to explain himself on his own site! I think the reason he posted it was because I showed him some respect by saying that I WOULD LIKE to have admiration for him. Unfortunately, it was I WOULD LIKE not I HAVE.
But yes you are right in pointing out that his grandfather told him at the age of 7 that he had to "squeeze his belly to get his penis to move"!! Course, that's a conversation that every grandfather has with their grandkids! So if he DIDN'T need to be shown physically how to enjoy anal sex why does he HAVE TO show the models? Can it not be just written on a piece of paper as he says???

Pierre, there is a saying we have in the U.K. it's probably used in France or Hungary or wherever you're hiding nowadays and it goes "When you're in a hole..... STOP digging"!

Speaking of holes my friend, I'm sure all these people who have found themselves in your mate Putin's mass graves will be very thankful for your little history lesson! Idiot.

[Visionary_sight]

Panorama. Spot on. You took the words out my mouth. All he’s doing is digging his own hole with all his contradictions and inaccuracies with the comments he keeps coming out with.

Blue. How do you manage to find all these comments? Some are dated back to 2009. Great work exposing his claims!

[robin_reid]

No one here said this about his dick but his fingers

[BlueShadow]

Panorama. Spot on. You took the words out my mouth. All he’s doing is digging his own hole with all his contradictions and inaccuracies with the comments he keeps coming out with.

Blue. How do you manage to find all these comments? Some are dated back to 2009. Great work exposing his claims!

well, there is a search function, it's not even that hard to find all the bullshit he say and his contradictions.
The best part it's that HE talk too much.