Paradise Lost

[Sir Noel]

Oh and this nonsense that removing attestation has caused this huge influx of members. Most people aren't even aware of attestation until it is too late so where would all these people have come from who were desperate to join, were not because of attestation and intimately follow the affairs of LP so they found out the minute attestation was dropped? What nonsense.

[tgcfc26]

I would expect the same here. In fact, I fully expect to see a GF post here within the next 2-3 years that sounds something like this: "OMG!!! I just downloaded the new scene with [insert name of popular new model]. This girl is absolutely fantastic! What a scene! My only complaints are that there's no anal, and they use a condom. Because of that, I wasn't sure whether it would be worth 5 tickets. But I decided to take a chance on it, and man, I'm glad I did! Thanks to XXX for delivering another amazing scene! LP is the greatest!!!"

+1000

Now, do not be surprised if we get:
- Zero anal (and hence, no DAP, no DP, no ATM), because the ass, used to shitting, not to fucking
- Only scenes 1 on 1, because it normally takes two people having sex
- Sex, condoms only because of unprotected sex is dangerous due to the risk of pregnancy and / or disease
- Pixelization scenes (censorship, as in some Asian productions), or sex only in the clothes, because kids can hit on the content on the web

For all that, the world is not ready yet.

And I naively thought that everything is permitted, if all INVOLVED people (developers, actresses and subscribers) are ready.

You see what you're doing here, TLA ? Joke posts are being taken literally and replied to. God damn you!

[tgcfc26]

...the melodramatic responses because you won't be able to view a woman drinking piss anymore are incredible.

Do you think the responses would be any less "melodramatic" if XXX announced that there will be no more anal scenes, thus depriving us of the ability to see a woman take a dick in her ass?

'Melodramatic' in this context means you making a big issue out of something I don't care about. Tgcfc cares about anal so the same response would not class as melodramatic.

Plum, you know full well that's not the context in which it was used. I would never make light of something that impacts on others, regardless of it's appeal to myself. I would have described the responses in this thread exactly the same way whatever the topic.

[Tastes Like Ass]

...the melodramatic responses because you won't be able to view a woman drinking piss anymore are incredible.

Do you think the responses would be any less "melodramatic" if XXX announced that there will be no more anal scenes, thus depriving us of the ability to see a woman take a dick in her ass?

Chalk and cheese. This has never been a piss focused site, the selling point here has always been hard anal with the best European models. Maybe once a week, sometimes once a fortnight, we would see a PMAO scene, admittedly in the last few months there has been an increase in scenes of this nature (It lead to some posters here suggesting the name should be changed to Legalpiss) but I still wouldn't say it warrants a comparison to what a "no more anal" announcement would mean to this site and it's members.

Then how about DAP? Up until the last year or two, LP produced far more piss scenes than DAP scenes. So, if XXX said "no more DAP scenes", do you think the reaction would be any less melodramatic?

(Incidentally, this is no mere hypothetical. I would not be at all surprised if the amount of DAP is greatly reduced, if not entirely eliminated, in the near future. After all, if the goal is to make LP more "acceptable" to the masses, DAP is hardly conducive to that.)

[Tastes Like Ass]

You see what you're doing here, TLA ? Joke posts are being taken literally and replied to. God damn you!

It's ironic that you classify it as a "joke" post, given that that's exactly what I thought of XXX's initial "no more piss" post, especially since he was cruel enough to make such an announcement on April Fools Day!

[Mordecai35]

^ I'm hoping XXX is just on vacation and has forgotten to come back and tell us he was 1/2 joking and 1/2 testing the waters. The majority opinion seems to be (even those who aren't really into piss), that the change isn't wanted.

I'll use Kendra Star's new scene as an example. That is 5 star exemplary, and superior adult entertainment as is. SOCIETY IS IN FACT VERY READY for scenes like that, and there is a growing demand for entertainment like that. Don't take it away from us!!!

[gapefan]

So your rheory is that he thinks that pissibg scenes are reflecting badly on the inage of his site so he went about recording loads of them so that when he stopped producing them he could keep on releasing them????
That would be like me stopping buying cigarettes out of concern for my health but buying extra stock in the preceeding months so I can keep smoking after I have stopped buying them!
At the end of the day the direction the site has gone the last few months goes against xxx's comments regarding his concerns. Building up a stock as dap-addict suggests makes no sense if your concern is that releasing the scenes makes your site look bad because it means that the damage continues to be done long after you stop producing.

An alternative theory is that xxx wanted a post-announcement buffer of piss scenes to be fair to those who recently renewed their memberships and to ensure that there is no cause to complain that those memberships were mis-sold.

I couldn’t have said it better myself. Thank you TomUK.

Oh and this nonsense that removing attestation has caused this huge influx of members. Most people aren't even aware of attestation until it is too late so where would all these people have come from who were desperate to join, were not because of attestation and intimately follow the affairs of LP so they found out the minute attestation was dropped? What nonsense.

It’s posted prominently on the join page.

http://legalporno.com/join

I'd be interested to know how many hits this site gets every day. I'm sure it's a staggering number.

A 10 ticket direct purchase only costs $12.90, with no attestation.

I never said a 'huge influx'. But I don't doubt it has already brought on a sizeable amount of sales.

Do you really believe removing the attestation step hasn't brought in more business?

It's been one of their number one complaints.

You haven’t visited the support forum much have you...

[gapefan]

This is exactly the kind of tortured logic I am talking about. Rather than simply looking at the best seller list, which includes a much higher percentage of piss scenes than their overall percentage of scenes would predict, you resort to 2-year-old polls and anecdotal evidence about 2 scenes. You're grasping at straws.

#1 makes no sense, not only for the reason that I just gave about the best seller list, but also because it doesn't explain why he won't let Giorgio and SOS keep shooting piss scenes, like he did with kreme scenes. As for #2, it just proves my point: Why would he care whether it was "socially acceptable" or not, unless he is planning to make the site much softer and aim toward fans of vanilla porn? If that's the case (which should be obvious to anyone who can read the writing on the wall), it's extremely naive to think that this will be the last change. Last I checked, the world is no more "ready" for DAP, anal fisting, etc., than it is for piss.

I guess it depends on what you mean by "hardcore" anal. If you think the anal scenes at 21S, Brazzers, etc., are "hardcore" anal, then yes, I suspect you will continue to get that type of stuff (although there will probably be a lot of scenes with no anal at all, just like there are at those and other "mainstream" sites).

The funny thing is that I fully expect that you, and others like you, will continue to shower praise upon the scenes, no matter how softcore they become. To go back to my Adriano example, check out his ADT thread, and you will notice that from time to time, some poor guy will have the temerity to inquire as to why his new scenes aren't as hardcore as his old stuff. That person is then invariably attacked, and called an idiot, by his army of sycophantic, ass-kissing fanboys (who, of course, are the real idiots).

I would expect the same here. In fact, I fully expect to see a GF post here within the next 2-3 years that sounds something like this: "OMG!!! I just downloaded the new scene with [insert name of popular new model]. This girl is absolutely fantastic! What a scene! My only complaints are that there's no anal, and they use a condom. Because of that, I wasn't sure whether it would be worth 5 tickets. But I decided to take a chance on it, and man, I'm glad I did! Thanks to XXX for delivering another amazing scene! LP is the greatest!!!"

You look at the best sellers list and see piss.

I look at the best sellers list and see all my favorite models, doing copious amounts of Anal, Gapes, DP, DAP, and TAP

And when I say 'hardcore anal', I'm talking about Anal, Gapes, DP, DAP, and TAP with Linda Sweet, Timea Bella, Arwen Gold, Isabella Clark, Proxy Paige, Luna Oara, and all the other amazing LegalPorno models from the best sellers list


As for #2, if by ‘softer’ you mean without piss? Then I concur, he is aiming to make it ‘softer’.

Did you already forget what Giorgio said?

Here, I'll bold it for you so you won't miss it this time.

I understand the point of xxx somehow. Pissing Keeps LP in a kind of "getto" of extreme porn, but on the other side dap and fisting was in the same position till 2 years ago... It's complicate to take decisions, xxx knows what he is doing so somehow I'm sure everyone will get benefits from a "clean up" of the home page (i mean studios)... time will tell us smt, will be fast to understand if sales increase or decrease

I think Giorgio is right. And I agree with him when he says 'xxx knows what he is doing'.

I'm not falling for your doomsday prophecies.

[stockard]

You look at the best sellers list and see piss.

I look at the best sellers list and see all my favorite models, doing copious amounts of Anal, Gapes, DP, DAP, and TAP

So you don't see a lot of piss scenes in best sellers list?
I look at the best sellers list and see all your favorite models, doing piss scenes. And I see that in most cases their piss scenes sell way better than their no-piss scenes.

eg "Monalee & Misha Cross PissMyAssOff", "PissMyAssOff scene #1955 Gina Gerson Mona Lee", "Billie Star PissMyAssOff" or "Timea PissMyAssOff" sold well because there was the anal, right? SO OBVIOUS, these performers have no other scenes with anal, let alone DP or DAP, so poor anal lovers had to buy these scenes in spite of hating piss!!!

[gapefan]

^You missed the point altogether. 'Correlation does not imply causation'. That's Statistics. Ever study it?

Just because two things are correlated does not mean that one caused the other.

I could just as easily correlate DAP with a scenes performance.

And I'll bet the R² for DAP is a lot closer to 1


As I said before, you're welcome to believe whatever you want. Makes no difference to me. That goes for you too, TLA and sirnoelplum.

[Sir Noel]

Whatever.

I will just refer you back to someone whose judgement you have stated you trust. Xxx himself has said that he produces piss scenes because they sell well.

[stockard]

^You missed the point altogether. 'Correlation does not imply causation'. That's Statistics. Ever study it?

Just because two things are correlated does not mean that one caused the other.

I could just as easily correlate DAP with a scenes performance.

And I'll bet the R² for DAP is a lot closer to 1


As I said before, you're welcome to believe whatever you want. Makes no difference to me. That goes for you too, TLA and sirnoelplum.

Nice try, too bad you have not answered anything. Your desperate attempts to say that piss scenes are not popular are just that: desperate and a bit ridicolous.

That's not a question of statistics, that's a question of good faith, something you are totally missing here... and now please explain us how all these pissmyassoff are best selling in spite of offering anything else than pissing and anal (and as far as I know anal is the minimum is ALL the LP scenes). I'm all ears, waiting to hear your latest theories about correlation and statistics.

[gapefan]

^I like how you tossed anal in there, too. I thought we were only debating the correlation of one variable

I never said pissing didn't sell scenes, or that there's no profit to be made at all. I only said it's not as profitable, or as directly correlated with sales, as other more significant variables.

Porn is about money. Always has been, always will be.

[sifux]

^I like how you tossed anal in there, too. I thought we were only debating the correlation of one variable

I never said pissing didn't sell scenes, or that there's no profit to be made at all. I only said it's not as profitable, or as directly correlated with sales, as other more significant variables.

Porn is about money. Always has been, always will be.

all scenes include anal, so it ceases to be a "variable". and yes i studied statistics. lol

for the record i prefer cream over piss.

[gapefan]

Right. None of the recently released scenes are pussy only (Gee, I wonder why that is..?)

Those that were released here earlier.. didn't do so hot..

And 'pussy only' got 0 votes in the poll I referenced earlier.

But it's still a variable according to TLA. And this is his thread. So for the context of this discussion, it is a variable

[tgcfc26]

Then how about DAP? Up until the last year or two, LP produced far more piss scenes than DAP scenes. So, if XXX said "no more DAP scenes", do you think the reaction would be any less melodramatic?

(Incidentally, this is no mere hypothetical. I would not be at all surprised if the amount of DAP is greatly reduced, if not entirely eliminated, in the near future. After all, if the goal is to make LP more "acceptable" to the masses, DAP is hardly conducive to that.)

I have no idea what the reaction of the masses would be, I can only offer my own opinion on a decision like that. I'm a lover of anal porn but I find DAP to be a bit of a gimmick, it's often performed at a snails pace with hardly any penetration (some girls are exceptions of course but this is often the way it plays out) and it really doesn't do anything for me. Do fans of anal porn view DAP as fundamental to their enjoyment of a scene ? I'm not so sure, but reading some of the responses here regarding piss play, it's inclusion is essential to their satisfaction it would seem, without it this site has absolutely nothing to offer.

Perhaps if you're hypothetical point comes to light you'll have an answer to this question.

[petermc]

Thing is though, even if the piss scenes stop getting made. There's still a ton of historical pissing scenes on here so site will still be seen as an extreme site. I hope he is not going to remove all those scenes.

[shark1]

I think Giorgio is right. And I agree with him when he says 'xxx knows what he is doing'.

I'm not falling for your doomsday prophecies.

That's because you don't enjoy piss scenes, which makes me wonder why you keep posting in this thread for starters other than trolling because you are bored and want attention.

You don't see me going on other threads and going on and on how much I am not a fan of certain niches such as prolapse, gapefarting and DAP(mostly because of tip fucking) because I am not a douchebag :-)

You don't understand how many there are of us that DO purchase many scenes only because they have pissing in them. Until you get that, your comments are mostly irrelevant in this thread.

The sales numbers will ultimately prove this point one way or another, which we will likely never know making all this arguing a moot point.

xxx appears willing to sacrifice profits to get rid of the pissing as he has admitted himself they sell well. The only thing us piss fans can do is vote with our wallet.

[gapefan]

This is TLA's thread.

If he didn't want me to participate, he shouldn't have mentioned me in his post.

I have just as much right as the next person to voice my views here.

This thread isn't about who is a fan of what. It's about the hypothetical reason(s) for recent changes, and the predicted future of LegalPorno.

[Sir Noel]

Something to recall is not just what people want to watch but what LP provides that people want to watch over and above other sites.
Sure, a great many people just like hard anal porn. No pissing, no DAP, 1 on 1 or 2 on 1 but these are things which are far easier to source elsewhere.
You can pick up deals at idealgasm for most other sites ridiculously cheaply and get a years worth of porn and the total back catalogue for the price it costs you just to keep up to date here.
LP has to keep on providing content beyond what you can get elsewhere otherwise people will cote with their feet. Fair enough, maybe the pissing can go, the milk junkies can go, the kreme can go ....... but something must remain. It isn't hard oral, it is only very rarely fisting so at the moment it is the DAP that differentiates this site. Whether that is enough to keep people paying as much for one site as they could for a dozen or more time will tell. What is certain, to me at least, is that if the world 'aren't ready for DAP yet' either then I would spend my porn cash elsewhere and I suspect that would be the breaking point for many other people.

[pastaga]

No more piss at all
+
TAP instead of big toys / fisting
+
Fake cum
...

There are some scenes already shot that I want to see, but then... I will wait and see before buying tickets again.

[allstar]

Now that attestation has been removed would a pre-paid/gift card visa work for purchasing membership and tickets?

[tgcfc26]

Now that attestation has been removed would a pre-paid/gift card visa work for purchasing membership and tickets?

I've been using a prepaid mastercard for almost two years, haven't had any issues, not even when attestation was in place. You should have no problems using that type of card but just to be sure you could open a topic in support, I wouldn't want you to experience any complications because of my advice