Paradise Lost

[Tastes Like Ass]

Recently, there was a thread on how LP had become a "porn paradise" (viewtopic.php?f=96&t=8630). While "paradise" seems like a bit of an exaggeration, I agreed with the main point: that LP has far surpassed its competition, in terms of releasing consistently nasty porn.

Unfortunately, I fear that the recent decision to ban piss scenes signals the beginning of the end of the "porn paradise" on LP, not so much because of the lack of piss itself (although many of us will miss that dearly), but rather, because of the change in direction that it seems to foreshadow. After all, kreme scenes, once a hallmark of LP, are very rare these days, and yet, the site is still thriving. However, there are two key differences between the end of the Kreme Era, and the end of the Piss Era.

The first difference is that XXX stopped producing the kreme scenes because they weren't profitable. But that's clearly not the case with the piss scenes. If you look at the best selling scene list (http://legalporno.com/best-videos), you'll see that about half the scenes on there are piss scenes, even though LP has released many more scenes without piss than with it. This is clearly not a coincidence, despite the tortured logic employed by DPC, GF and other piss haters.

The other difference is that even though XXX stopped producing kreme scenes, he did not ban the release of them on LP. In fact, SOS continues to occasionally produce them, and XXX continues to release them. If XXX had simply decided that the piss scenes were not as profitable as the same scenes without piss, then why wouldn't he continue to allow Giorgio (or SOS) to produce piss scenes and release them on LP? If they want to lose money on these scenes, that would be their choice, just like with kreme.

No, the only thing that makes sense is that XXX wants to take the entire LP site in a much different, much tamer direction. I think this is what Giorgio was referring to when he said that getting rid of the piss scenes was an attempt to "clean up the image" of the site. In other words, XXX wants to make the site more of a typical, vanilla site, like 21S or DDF.

If my theory is correct, then we will soon see a major drop-off in the nastiness of the scenes, much like what happened when they first moved to Prague. If you don't remember what I'm talking about, go back and look at about the first hundred SZ scenes. Even though there were a few gems mixed in, the vast majority of those scenes were far tamer than anything LP has released before or since. I expect to slowly see things return to that level. At that point, one of two things will happen: Either XXX will see the error of his ways, and take the site back in a more hardcore direction, or he will blame the reduced profit on still being "too offensive" and he will continue to tone down the product, until it is basically like Brazzers without the silly storylines (kind of like a European version of Jules Jordan).

I'm sure some of you will say I'm being paranoid, but I have seen this kind of thing happen many times before. A fairly recent example is Mike Adriano. For the first 2 or 3 years he was at Evil Angel, he released by far the most hardcore porn in America at that time. In fact, literally every scene he released back then was 100% anal, with tons of ATM, super sloppy BJs, etc. Then, a couple of years ago, he said that some people had been complaining that there wasn't any pussy fucking, so he was going to start incorporating a little ATP. At first, it started with just a few seconds per scene, then it became a couple of minutes per scene, and now, almost every scene he releases has significant pussy fucking, way more ATP than ATM, etc. In fact, some of his recent movies have had 3 out of 4 scenes with no anal at all, just non-stop pussy fucking. His stuff has become so lame that I usually just watch the blowjob and skip through the rest. I'd hate to see the same sort of "watering down" (no pun intended) happen to LP, but if XXX doesn't wake up, I'm afraid that's exactly what's in store.

[realtip]

Unfortunately, I fear that the recent decision to ban piss scenes signals the beginning of the end of the "porn paradise" on LP, not so much because of the lack of piss itself (although many of us will miss that dearly), but rather, because of the change in direction that it seems to foreshadow.

Wait... What!? LP is banning pissing scenes? I haven't been around on the forum in a while, so I must have missed this announcement. When was this decided? Is this true? I was already pissed-off (no pun intended) when LP decided to no longer produce kreme scenes, which was a decision that XXX officially announced here on the forum so that the members would know. Did he do the same for pissing scenes?

When XXX announced that LP would no longer be producing kreme scenes, I remember people saying that piss scenes would be the next to go. I was one of the people who predicted that. After all, we've seen this same thing happen with several other porn sites: They gradually stop producing the more extreme content in order to eventually become completely vanilla. But other people said that wouldn't happen because the pissing scenes were too profitable. After all, lack of popularity was the reason XXX gave for giving up the kreme scenes. So if money was truly the issue, then it made sense that piss scenes were safe due to their popularity. But if it's true that the pissing scenes are to be no more, then my suspicion that the reason for ending the kreme scenes was right- LP was gradually becoming tamer- and that the reason for it being about money was all bullshit.

I'm already becoming increasingly disappointed with the site as it is due to the fact that they keep bringing back the same girls (who I mostly find unattractive) all the time, and refusing to bring on other hotter girls, as I expressed here in this thread. As a result, I've been debating ending my membership. I stay because LP still produces porn that I like, and can't find anywhere else, such as scenes with guys pissing on girls, and girls swallowing piss. But if it's true that those scenes won't be produced anymore, then there's really no reason for me to stick around, as it means that the thing that I suspected would happen is now happening: LP is trying to become another standard cookie-cutter porn site just like everybody else.

So is this all really true, or is this just speculation?

[oA_Ao]

... the only thing that makes sense is that XXX wants to take the entire LP site in a much different, much tamer direction. I think this is what Giorgio was referring to when he said that getting rid of the piss scenes was an attempt to "clean up the image" of the site. In other words, XXX wants to make the site more of a typical, vanilla site, like 21S or DDF.

... and why do you think XXX/LP want such a change? What could be the reason in the end?
Perhaps it is an attempt to gain more money. If this is successful, you can't blame him to do so. If not, he will change back to extreme fetishes. We will see what will happen.

[Sir Noel]

. and why do you think XXX/LP want such a change? What could be the reason in the end?
Perhaps it is an attempt to gain more money. If this is successful, you can't blame him to do so. If not, he will change back to extreme fetishes. We will see what will happen.

But why not do both? Yamaha corp don't decide to stop making motorbikes because they believe they can make money selling amps and keyboards - they differentiate wings of their business and make money doing both!
Legalporno is the weirdest sounding porn site out there. If xxx wants to go mainstream he needs a better domain name and a site that sells his scenes rather than undersells them. Legalporno sounds dodgy in the extreme and it looks like shit, you could take a tenth the content and make it look ten times better. So quite why he is concerned with cleaning up the omage of LP I have no idea.

[gapefan]

If my logic is so tortured... what happened here TLA?

http://legalporno.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=96&t=7003

Yes, that poll is over two years old. And taken today, it would likely show an increase in the requests for pissing. But that's easily explained by the fact that piss fans have gathered here, while the fetish was catered to.

I believe that the overall target market of 'hardcore anal' fans, still looks very similar to the results of that poll.

My guess? xxx opened the floodgates when he removed attestation, and suddenly saw an increase in sales of scenes without piss, rather than the opposite. Afterall, any fan of piss had likely already jumped through the hoops of passing attestation to be able to access LegalPorno's material because, as many others have said, this is (or was) the only place to find such material. He had likely been considering the removal of piss for other reasons as well, which I'll address shortly, but the results of removing attestation put the nail in the coffin.



Is it a coincidence that these two scenes were released concurrently, the day before xxx made his announcement?

http://legalporno.com/watch/29780/nina_heaven_roxy_dee_double_anal_teen_cream_ass_full_of_cream_dap_ed_rs63

http://legalporno.com/watch/29571/piss_drinking_sluts_meg_magic_maggie_enjoy_anal_fucking_dp_atm_atogm_creampie_sz763

The cream scene outperformed the piss scene based on it's position in http://legalporno.com/hot-videos, and currently has almost twice the views.

xxx made the following statement afterward:

I'm expecting SIneplex to release more cream scenes since the one from yesterday did fine (but probably because of DAP).

I think xxx is getting rid of piss altogether because:

1. It isn't as profitable as fans of the genre would like to believe (not once has xxx made a decision that didn't keep the overall goal of being as profitable as possible in mind)
2. It isn't socially acceptable

GG has offered the most complete explanation regarding point #2, and he also supports point #1 with his statement:

I understand the point of xxx somehow. Pissing Keeps LP in a kind of "getto" of extreme porn, but on the other side dap and fisting was in the same position till 2 years ago... It's complicate to take decisions, xxx knows what he is doing so somehow I'm sure everyone will get benefits from a "clean up" of the home page (i mean studios)... time will tell us smt, will be fast to understand if sales increase or decrease

I am, and always will be, here for the hardcore anal. I don't think I'm alone on that. And I don't think that aspect of the site will ever change, regardless of what you might like others to believe.

[shark1]

Yep, piss scenes are clearly a divisive act, just like kreme scenes - you either LOVE them or don't like them. But, having a little piss in the scenes should not be a deterrent for anyone to not purchase it if you like the girls involved. There are niches I do not like which include kreme scenes but if I like the girl, I will buy the scene anyway.

Anyway, I purchased many scenes I would not have if there was no pissing in them. Scenes with Daniella Rose, Meg Magic, Mea Melone, Gina Sweet, etc I would never have purchased if there was no piss in the scene because they are not my type. So, pissing scenes caused me to spend more on this site than I would have normally. Many sites shoot anal scenes/gaping/DP, but it's the cute Russian girls we come here for. This site also was unique in that they had piss scenes which put LP at the top of the list for me, now it's just another site. I will purchase pretty much any scene with Liona Shy or Sofi Goldfingers in it going forward, but I will be definitely be spending less money.

Also, the trolls that say it will cause many popular girls to not come to LP because they don't want to to do piss scenes. #1 they do not have to shoot them and #2 many of the most popular eurogirls have shot several piss scenes - Kendra Star, Lucianna Karel, Tina Hot, Billie Star, Anita Bellini, Liona Shy, Daniella Rose and the list goes on!

The glory days are over :-(

[Gemini]

It is unfortunate that piss completely disappears from the LP. It was not a fetish, which was necessary for me, but I liked it. As a supplement check very well. But for me, what is most important for the LP is a girls, and not piss. But maybe I'm weird, because even the base of operations LP - all kinds of anal (DAP inclusive) are not and have never been the first reason for the subscription. Above all the presence of girls that I like, and only then, what has happened in scenes. I've never bought a scene when the girl was not to my taste, though was doing miracles and fulfilled all my sexual fantasies. But at the same time always buy scene with such girls like Olivia Divine, Lola Taylor, Karina Grand, Anita Bellini and Vanda Lust (although new scenes of the last two girls, especially Vanda, I have not seen for a long time). It is for these girls I came to the LP (and can I go when they disappear). How long those girls will shoot scenes for the LP, so long, I will be buying the scene with their participation.

[realtip]

So I saw in the other thread where XXX announced that they were discontinuing piss scenes effective immediately. I also saw the date he posted it- April 1st.

I'm expecting XXX to come back here and tell everybody, "April Fool's!" This has to be a joke.

[stockard]

My guess? xxx opened the floodgates when he removed attestation, and suddenly saw an increase in sales of scenes without piss, rather than the opposite. Afterall, any fan of piss had likely already jumped through the hoops of passing attestation to be able to access LegalPorno's material because, as many others have said, this is (or was) the only place to find such material. He had likely been considering the removal of piss for other reasons as well, which I'll address shortly, but the results of removing attestation put the nail in the coffin.



Is it a coincidence that these two scenes were released concurrently, the day before xxx made his announcement?

http://legalporno.com/watch/29780/nina_heaven_roxy_dee_double_anal_teen_cream_ass_full_of_cream_dap_ed_rs63

http://legalporno.com/watch/29571/piss_drinking_sluts_meg_magic_maggie_enjoy_anal_fucking_dp_atm_atogm_creampie_sz763

The cream scene outperformed the piss scene based on it's position in http://legalporno.com/hot-videos, and currently has almost twice the views.

LOL, as far as I can see piss scenes rule the positions in http://legalporno.com/hot-videos, 3 videos among the first 5, 6 videos among the first 10 videos and so on feature piss! If you wanted demonstrate that piss videos are not popular, unfortunately you just showed the opposite, lol!

[gapefan]

^You know what else those scenes all have in common?

DAP

You know how I know those scenes sold better because of DAP?

Because I'm one of the customers who bought them for that very reason, regardless of the fact I'm not a fan of piss.

[stockard]

^You know what else those scenes all have in common?

DAP

not all of them dude, there are also some standard DP scenes. And in the second page even some scenes even without DPs or DAPs. Sorry dude, but piss rules those pages with flying colours!!

[gapefan]

I see you revised your original post. You must have cleaned your glasses

There's only one DP only piss scene in the top ten 'hot scenes' list, and it's the one I mentioned in my previous post:

Is it a coincidence that these two scenes were released concurrently, the day before xxx made his announcement?

http://legalporno.com/watch/29780/nina_heaven_roxy_dee_double_anal_teen_cream_ass_full_of_cream_dap_ed_rs63

http://legalporno.com/watch/29571/piss_drinking_sluts_meg_magic_maggie_enjoy_anal_fucking_dp_atm_atogm_creampie_sz763

The cream scene outperformed the piss scene based on it's position in http://legalporno.com/hot-videos, and currently has almost twice the views.

xxx made the following statement afterward:

I'm expecting SIneplex to release more cream scenes since the one from yesterday did fine (but probably because of DAP).

Besides. All scenes released are listed in the 'hot scenes' list. It doesn't matter that they're there. It matters what position they hold relative to the date they were released.

[stockard]

I see you revised your original post. You must have cleaned your glasses

I revised my post just after you revised yours. I wanted to be more soft.

[gapefan]

That's why I revised mine as well

[stockard]

Besides. All scenes released are listed in the 'hot scenes' list. It doesn't matter that they're there. It matters what position they hold relative to the date they were released.

You are right here. That's why http://legalporno.com/best-videos is generally more reliable... but the music does not change so much IMO, this page is a piss festival. Eg I see LP queen Timea Bella's piss scenes generally outselling her DAP scenes (and consider that Timea is certainly a great anal performer,while does not seem to enjoy piss at all). At any rate don't misunderstand me, I consider DAP very popular as well, but as far as I can see, DAP + a bit of piss fetish = safe formula for success

[gapefan]

There are many more variables than just DAP and piss, that make or break a scene.

[stockard]

Sure. Not less than for the cream scene/ piss scene released three days ago.

Nevertheless, both DAP and piss fetish are definitely popular.

[kidloco]

LegalPorno was always about making money from the beginning, so it follows what's making them and cuts what doesn't.
The other reason might be I think that it's preparing to be sold or to be a part of something even bigger (business wise).

Since gonzo or hardcore porn has become visually less explicit and less dirty even for niches like anal or DAP - I call it porn hypocratsy (gapes almost disappeared from porn during last year), explicit pissing definitely does not fit in there and it's a minor niche in the mainstream porn. I thing
pissing stuff (drinking) in recent LP's scenes went over the roof. The other reason I think is a health issue (have to ask).

[Sir Noel]

This has nothing to do with sales. If sales was the issue xxx may have stopped filming piss scenes (though more likely he would have just reduced the % of scenes with it in to make those that do have it definite buys for those who like it). He hasn't. He has ordered SoS and GG to stop producing them also.
All we know is for months he has been worried about producing these scenes because of how it makes the company look. In fact so concerned was he that he kept adding it to more and more scenes, in ever greater amounts and ever more extreme forms. Then overnight he banned it. It is what any rational person would do

[Mordecai35]

If the decision stands, I'll be moving on. It's why I signed up here. As for socially acceptable, you fucking produce pornography. This niche has been a success, has it not? Socially acceptable? "Not ready for it?!!"

Piss has been in porn since the 70's!

This is ludicrous in my opinion. Just very bad decision making to remove it entirely. Hell, some of the girls even seemed to get off on it!!

This reminds me of the PENTHOUSE magazine decision in the late 1990's to stop showing the female clitoris. The reason? " The world wasn't ready for it", according to their new Editor in chief. The sales dropped dramatically, the editor was fired after one year, and they realized their mistake and started showing the pussy again).

This decision is no different.

[shark1]

^You know what else those scenes all have in common?

DAP

You know how I know those scenes sold better because of DAP?

Because I'm one of the customers who bought them for that very reason, regardless of the fact I'm not a fan of piss.

So let me get this straight gapefan, because YOU bought these scenes because of DAP, that means most everyone did too? I bought them because of the pissing since DAP is mostly irrelevant for me, that means the majority bought these scenes now because of the pissing. See how easy it is to exaggerate?

[gapefan]

I never said most everyone. I just used myself as an example. I'm certain there are others who bought those scenes for the same reason I did. And, I'm certain there are others who bought those scenes for the same reason you did.

I'm not saying there is no profit to be made on piss scenes. I'm certain there is some return on investment, how else could they have made it this long otherwise? What I'm saying is that the return on investment is not as high as what xxx initially thought. That combined with what GG talked about regarding the social acceptability, caused xxx to change his investment strategy.

I'm not saying I'm right here. This is all purely speculation on my part. I'm saying from my point of view, that all makes sense to me. And no one has convinced me otherwise.

[shark1]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. However, LP started to shoot more and more pissing scenes, and they started to include drinking and multiple men pissing on the girls. They wouldn't have started increasing the pissing scenes if they didn't sell well, usually you would only do this if a certain style of scene was making you lots of money. Now, if the pissing scenes started being less frequent, and only shot every 20 scenes or so, that would mean they weren't profitable and saw no reason to shoot them as much. The very fact that the frequency of scenes was more and more and that there was more pissing in these scene means it was making xxx money. If it was because of social acceptance, then xxx would likely just remove all piss scenes altogether as they are all over the best seller page and will continue to be.

Until xxx tells us the real reason, it's all speculation.

[Mordecai35]

Click on the front page best sellers. #2 Timea downing piss.

Case closed. Look how many piss scenes are on page one? Look how fast some of the 5 on 1 plastered scenes have moved to that page!? How can it be a return on investment issue if that niche dominates sales?

[gapefan]

It could just as easily have been the 5on1 aspect that put them there, or Princess Timea. Who's to say?

I think the more likely reason is a combination of variables. Not just one.

[dap-addict]

My guess? xxx opened the floodgates when he removed attestation, and suddenly saw an increase in sales of scenes without piss, rather than the opposite. Afterall, any fan of piss had likely already jumped through the hoops of passing attestation to be able to access LegalPorno's material because, as many others have said, this is (or was) the only place to find such material.

I maintain at this point that I think its just an April Fools joke.

But if its is not than gapefans deduction seems the most reasonable to me.
We simply dont know what happened after xxx opened that no-attestation-needed-anymore floodgate. But we can well immagine that subscriptions jeopardized. Also new subscribers may tend to search LP for scenes instead of just only buying the new ones. This could have given xxx a completely new market picture. Instead of makeing money with the "ghetto" he can now make even more without it, he may think. Also please remember that we long time forum talkers are the avantguard, but not a big number of consumers.

Of course if it is like said above I do hope really very much the remaining content doenst get white washed vanilla soon!
Btw, sirnoel, producing lots of piss scenes just before stopping production does make a lot of sense once you know you will stop it exactly. As I said subscribers also buy scenes from the stock, and all piss lovers will now search the backlog scenes again for gems etc. Also please keep in mind that the attestation drop is just 2 weeks old and 2-3 weeks is also the usual time between shooting and releasing a scene.

Finally, IF its not an April Fools joke, than I am sure piss scenes will come back eventually after the public image of LP has been "cleaned up" and xxx has yet more non-piss scenes sold to all those new subscribers plus attracted even more of them.

[budbeer]

If No piss drinking I leave

[gapefan]

Everyone is entitled to their opinion. However, LP started to shoot more and more pissing scenes, and they started to include drinking and multiple men pissing on the girls. They wouldn't have started increasing the pissing scenes if they didn't sell well, usually you would only do this if a certain style of scene was making you lots of money. Now, if the pissing scenes started being less frequent, and only shot every 20 scenes or so, that would mean they weren't profitable and saw no reason to shoot them as much. The very fact that the frequency of scenes was more and more and that there was more pissing in these scene means it was making xxx money. If it was because of social acceptance, then xxx would likely just remove all piss scenes altogether as they are all over the best seller page and will continue to be.

Until xxx tells us the real reason, it's all speculation.

Right, this is all speculation.

I think continuing to produce piss scenes right up until the end makes perfect sense. What business signals the end of a product, or service (or the beginning of a new one for that matter) or anything else major, to the general public prior to making the official announcement? The answer is, no business does that (at least not on purpose). If a business did that, it might very well impact profitability, and return on investment.

I think xxx was testing his decision, before he made the final call. He wanted to see if he was making the right decision. So he made the best, nastiest, most perverted piss scenes he could possibly make, and then opened the floodgates to see what would happen. The rest is history.

[stockard]

I think continuing to produce piss scenes right up until the end makes perfect sense. What business signals the end of a product, or service (or the beginning of a new one for that matter) or anything else major, to the general public prior to making the official announcement? The answer is, no business does that (at least not on purpose).

Lol, please stop trolling here! The first signal of the end of a product is slowing its production, not certainly producing more of it! And considering the numbers which piss scenes still do, at best xxx would had just slowed piss scenes, or stopped his own production still allowing sineplex and GGrandi to shoot them... damn, it is blatantly OBVIOUS, for everyone not in bad faith, that poor sales were not the reason they stopped production

[gapefan]

You're welcome to believe whatever you like. You all seem so confused by the decision... I'm just telling you what I think.

[Gemini]

I do not understand some things. Most of us (I think) assumes that piss scenes were profitable. I think so too. At the same time xxx writes "the world is not ready for it." What's going on, damn it! When someone wants to buy a piss scene must ask for permission whole world !? If only the law allows to distribute and possession of such content, what to whom the fact that someone wants to buy such a scene? "The world is not ready for this," Fuck me! Are around the house xxx a crowd gathers opponents of piss who brandishes torches? If it is brought income, about who could prohibit or enforce the cessation of production of piss?

[Sir Noel]

I think continuing to produce piss scenes right up until the end makes perfect sense. What business signals the end of a product, or service (or the beginning of a new one for that matter) or anything else major, to the general public prior to making the official announcement? The answer is, no business does that (at least not on purpose). If a business did that, it might very well impact profitability, and return on investment.

I think xxx was testing his decision, before he made the final call. He wanted to see if he was making the right decision. So he made the best, nastiest, most perverted piss scenes he could possibly make, and then opened the floodgates to see what would happen. The rest is history.

So your rheory is that he thinks that pissibg scenes are reflecting badly on the inage of his site so he went about recording loads of them so that when he stopped producing them he could keep on releasing them????
That would be like me stopping buying cigarettes out of concern for my health but buying extra stock in the preceeding months so I can keep smoking after I have stopped buying them!
At the end of the day the direction the site has gone the last few months goes against xxx's comments regarding his concerns. Building up a stock as dap-addict suggests makes no sense if your concern is that releasing the scenes makes your site look bad because it means that the damage continues to be done long after you stop producing.

[TomUK]

An alternative theory is that xxx wanted a post-announcement buffer of piss scenes to be fair to those who recently renewed their memberships and to ensure that there is no cause to complain that those memberships were mis-sold.

Regardless of the details, it would appear the piss scenes are gone for good. I feel for you guys who enjoyed them but if I'm honest I always found piss to be a complete turn off and will not miss it here.

[tgcfc26]

An alternative theory is that xxx wanted a post-announcement buffer of piss scenes to be fair to those who recently renewed their memberships and to ensure that there is no cause to complain that those memberships were mis-sold.

Regardless of the details, it would appear the piss scenes are gone for good. I feel for you guys who enjoyed them but if I'm honest I always found piss to be a complete turn off and will not miss it here.

+1

Although if this does in fact turn out to be a joke, my god did some of you bite; the melodramatic responses because you won't be able to view a woman drinking piss anymore are incredible.

[ElJab78]

An alternative theory is that xxx wanted a post-announcement buffer of piss scenes to be fair to those who recently renewed their memberships and to ensure that there is no cause to complain that those memberships were mis-sold.

Regardless of the details, it would appear the piss scenes are gone for good. I feel for you guys who enjoyed them but if I'm honest I always found piss to be a complete turn off and will not miss it here.

I agree. I think XXX is letting members know early of the change and releasing the remaining piss scenes so those members who have 2-3 month memberships know. So likely in this time we will be getting whatever backlog of LP piss scenes produced than after that no more. So that way piss fanatics can look for other sites to download their piss. And still get a good amount of piss scenes in the meantime as their memberships are ending. As far as non-members who have loaded up on tickets, maybe LP will work on giving those piss fans refunds. Who knows.

[Tastes Like Ass]

If my logic is so tortured... what happened here TLA?

http://legalporno.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=96&t=7003

Yes, that poll is over two years old. And taken today, it would likely show an increase in the requests for pissing. But that's easily explained by the fact that piss fans have gathered here, while the fetish was catered to.

I believe that the overall target market of 'hardcore anal' fans, still looks very similar to the results of that poll.

My guess? xxx opened the floodgates when he removed attestation, and suddenly saw an increase in sales of scenes without piss, rather than the opposite. Afterall, any fan of piss had likely already jumped through the hoops of passing attestation to be able to access LegalPorno's material because, as many others have said, this is (or was) the only place to find such material. He had likely been considering the removal of piss for other reasons as well, which I'll address shortly, but the results of removing attestation put the nail in the coffin.

Is it a coincidence that these two scenes were released concurrently, the day before xxx made his announcement?

http://legalporno.com/watch/29780/nina_heaven_roxy_dee_double_anal_teen_cream_ass_full_of_cream_dap_ed_rs63

http://legalporno.com/watch/29571/piss_drinking_sluts_meg_magic_maggie_enjoy_anal_fucking_dp_atm_atogm_creampie_sz763

The cream scene outperformed the piss scene based on it's position in http://legalporno.com/hot-videos, and currently has almost twice the views.

This is exactly the kind of tortured logic I am talking about. Rather than simply looking at the best seller list, which includes a much higher percentage of piss scenes than their overall percentage of scenes would predict, you resort to 2-year-old polls and anecdotal evidence about 2 scenes. You're grasping at straws.

I think xxx is getting rid of piss altogether because:

1. It isn't as profitable as fans of the genre would like to believe (not once has xxx made a decision that didn't keep the overall goal of being as profitable as possible in mind)
2. It isn't socially acceptable

#1 makes no sense, not only for the reason that I just gave about the best seller list, but also because it doesn't explain why he won't let Giorgio and SOS keep shooting piss scenes, like he did with kreme scenes. As for #2, it just proves my point: Why would he care whether it was "socially acceptable" or not, unless he is planning to make the site much softer and aim toward fans of vanilla porn? If that's the case (which should be obvious to anyone who can read the writing on the wall), it's extremely naive to think that this will be the last change. Last I checked, the world is no more "ready" for DAP, anal fisting, etc., than it is for piss.

I am, and always will be, here for the hardcore anal. I don't think I'm alone on that. And I don't think that aspect of the site will ever change, regardless of what you might like others to believe.

I guess it depends on what you mean by "hardcore" anal. If you think the anal scenes at 21S, Brazzers, etc., are "hardcore" anal, then yes, I suspect you will continue to get that type of stuff (although there will probably be a lot of scenes with no anal at all, just like there are at those and other "mainstream" sites).

The funny thing is that I fully expect that you, and others like you, will continue to shower praise upon the scenes, no matter how softcore they become. To go back to my Adriano example, check out his ADT thread, and you will notice that from time to time, some poor guy will have the temerity to inquire as to why his new scenes aren't as hardcore as his old stuff. That person is then invariably attacked, and called an idiot, by his army of sycophantic, ass-kissing fanboys (who, of course, are the real idiots).

I would expect the same here. In fact, I fully expect to see a GF post here within the next 2-3 years that sounds something like this: "OMG!!! I just downloaded the new scene with [insert name of popular new model]. This girl is absolutely fantastic! What a scene! My only complaints are that there's no anal, and they use a condom. Because of that, I wasn't sure whether it would be worth 5 tickets. But I decided to take a chance on it, and man, I'm glad I did! Thanks to XXX for delivering another amazing scene! LP is the greatest!!!"

[Tastes Like Ass]

...the melodramatic responses because you won't be able to view a woman drinking piss anymore are incredible.

Do you think the responses would be any less "melodramatic" if XXX announced that there will be no more anal scenes, thus depriving us of the ability to see a woman take a dick in her ass?

[tgcfc26]

...the melodramatic responses because you won't be able to view a woman drinking piss anymore are incredible.

Do you think the responses would be any less "melodramatic" if XXX announced that there will be no more anal scenes, thus depriving us of the ability to see a woman take a dick in her ass?

Chalk and cheese. This has never been a piss focused site, the selling point here has always been hard anal with the best European models. Maybe once a week, sometimes once a fortnight, we would see a PMAO scene, admittedly in the last few months there has been an increase in scenes of this nature (It lead to some posters here suggesting the name should be changed to Legalpiss) but I still wouldn't say it warrants a comparison to what a "no more anal" announcement would mean to this site and it's members.

[Gemini]

I would expect the same here. In fact, I fully expect to see a GF post here within the next 2-3 years that sounds something like this: "OMG!!! I just downloaded the new scene with [insert name of popular new model]. This girl is absolutely fantastic! What a scene! My only complaints are that there's no anal, and they use a condom. Because of that, I wasn't sure whether it would be worth 5 tickets. But I decided to take a chance on it, and man, I'm glad I did! Thanks to XXX for delivering another amazing scene! LP is the greatest!!!"

+1000

Now, do not be surprised if we get:
- Zero anal (and hence, no DAP, no DP, no ATM), because the ass, used to shitting, not to fucking
- Only scenes 1 on 1, because it normally takes two people having sex
- Sex, condoms only because of unprotected sex is dangerous due to the risk of pregnancy and / or disease
- Pixelization scenes (censorship, as in some Asian productions), or sex only in the clothes, because kids can hit on the content on the web

For all that, the world is not ready yet.

And I naively thought that everything is permitted, if all INVOLVED people (developers, actresses and subscribers) are ready.

[Sir Noel]

...the melodramatic responses because you won't be able to view a woman drinking piss anymore are incredible.

Do you think the responses would be any less "melodramatic" if XXX announced that there will be no more anal scenes, thus depriving us of the ability to see a woman take a dick in her ass?

'Melodramatic' in this context means you making a big issue out of something I don't care about. Tgcfc cares about anal so the same response would not class as melodramatic.

Getting bored with the whole discussion as to whether these scenes are profitable. XXX HIMSELF has stated several times in the past they sell well and are profitable. I think that ends that discussion. The point is, as I see it, do the lack of equivalent sites mean he feels that he can give us less for the same (price) and still sell the same number of units. I think that is his gamble and I worry he may be right. He has certainly called my bluff - gotten rid of something I like that costs him and I am still around. What remains to be seen is if he pushes the gamble button again.