Coronavirus - what's next for LP in the forthcoming weeks?

[PornoManiac]

if you are asymptomatic you are well

[robin_reid]

in my opinion it is a false epidemic more people die of cancer
Most of the tests in the world are false positive

I agree. In Spain the hospitals are empty but the media are 24/7 aterrorizing the population and the entire world about what a big pandemic there is in Spain. It’s all a big lie.

[PornoManiac]

The same situation in Poland

[robin_reid]

Spanish government subsidized all the public and private media with about 15M€ (that’s a public and official data) so obviously they only talk about what the government wants. Not to mention that half the country is already owned by that psycho of Soros and government and the opposition parties are all them his puppets. Here this “pandemic” with everyone wearing masks everywhere and continuous confinements will be eternal... like in Argentina, etc...

[HwtOxc8K]

Yeah that's a very stupid take.

[magizi87]

I'm from Mexico and in my country, I would say the authorities are downplaying it.

I watch the daily reports from the health officials almost every day and,
they always say that we have beds and ventilators to spare, to treat the most severe cases.

The president comes to the media with reassuring words like "we're OK"

I had no reason to not believe that, until two weeks ago.

I went to a hospital, in Mexico City, called "La Raza"
I'm fine, I was helping someone who got an allergic attack.
and well, what I saw then was terrible.

Dead bodies in the dozens, people getting treated in hallways, sleeping on the floor.
And that was just a quick in and out, I did not take a look at the entire building,
But if you see that, just by entering and moving a few dozen meters... what can you expect from the whole thing.

I had this feeling of dread like death was looming in the air.

Honestly, I think of all people, porn actors, have nothing to worry about.
In particular, the women, who take their health seriously,
some of the male actors are downright obese. but the girls are OK.

All of the people, that I saw in the hospital, at a glance,
looked to be suffering from grade II obesity or worse.

Chubby looking people. Age didn't seem to matter.

My advise would simply be, stop eating sugar and alcohol, reduce as much as possible processed food, eat whole food.

This fucking disease is not going to go away. Until people in general, get healthy, lol.

[xxxragusa]

in my opinion it is a false epidemic more people die of cancer
Most of the tests in the world are false positive

Spanish government subsidized all the public and private media with about 15M€ (that’s a public and official data) so obviously they only talk about what the government wants. Not to mention that half the country is already owned by that psycho of Soros and government and the opposition parties are all them his puppets.

Spoiler: had an aunt and another close person (husband of a cousin of 55 y.o. who now left two orphan sons of 15 and 19) dead of Covid.

If we are in this situation around the world it's because too many people buy and spread this conspirationist nonsense and don't care one shit about their and others' safety. People prefer to think it's a big conspiracy organized by Soros (LOL! who else could have been!?) or Bill Gates than putting a damn mask, having a minimal hygiene and keeping distance when possible and necessary.

Apparently the only countries to be trusted at the moment are the very democratic and truthful North Korea and Bielorussia, where Covid does not exist, and all the others are ruled by Soros. And this guy Soros apparently has enough money to buy the politicians ruling the whole world, from the left, the right and the centre, all the scientists, even all the doctors and the nurses of covid units in the hospitals. What a big pile of BS

[BlueShadow]

in my opinion it is a false epidemic more people die of cancer
Most of the tests in the world are false positive

And how many test they do? The more tests you do, the more cases you find. The numbers are always false anyway.

The great majority are all asymptomatic. But they can still spread the virus. Virus that is certainly not lethal. But it affects the weakest and the ones with already other pathologies. They are the ones who must be protected. If the virus continues to circulate uncontrolled, hospitals will not hold up sooner or later, again. In my area they are already refusing other '' normal '' recovery.

[avanfurwet]

in my opinion it is a false epidemic more people die of cancer

False analogy because cancer cannot be transmitted between humans. Otherwise, cancer would be regarded as a global pandemic like no other.
Also, more people die of old age. So what?

Most of the tests in the world are false positive

Fake news. No credible evidence to support this claim.

if you are asymptomatic you are well

People who catch any virus will stay well whilst incubating it and infecting others, that's how viruses succeed.
After incubation some people get few/no symptoms, others can get bad symptoms and some die. It's russian roulette.
Also we don't know how long the covid virus can remain dormant in a human body, maybe it's like measles/shingles?

With covid, too many people are dying and too few governments around the world seem to have any good strategies.
Instead, many governments are panicking and spreading misinformation to try to avoid blame, while increasing surveillance of their citizens under cover of "track & trace"
It's a sad situation.

[avanfurwet]

Spoiler: had an aunt and another close person (husband of a cousin of 55 y.o. who now left two orphan sons of 15 and 19) dead of Covid.

If we are in this situation around the world it's because too many people buy and spread this conspirationist nonsense and don't care one shit about their and others' safety. People prefer to think it's a big conspiracy organized by Soros (LOL! who else could have been!?) or Bill Gates than putting a damn mask, having a minimal hygiene and keeping distance when possible and necessary.

Apparently the only countries to be trusted at the moment are the very democratic and truthful North Korea and Bielorussia, where Covid does not exist, and all the others are ruled by Soros. And this guy Soros apparently has enough money to buy the politicians ruling the whole world, from the left, the right and the centre, all the scientists, even all the doctors and the nurses of covid units in the hospitals. What a big pile of BS

Sorry for the deaths of your relatives. Sadly too many others have similar experiences.

Agree about deranged conspiracy theories. Unfortunately when people are frightened then cynical politicians rise like fake messiahs to manipulate fake news for their own benefit.

[avanfurwet]

I'm from Mexico and in my country, I would say the authorities are downplaying it.

I watch the daily reports from the health officials almost every day and,
they always say that we have beds and ventilators to spare, to treat the most severe cases.

The president comes to the media with reassuring words like "we're OK"

I had no reason to not believe that, until two weeks ago.

I went to a hospital, in Mexico City, called "La Raza"
I'm fine, I was helping someone who got an allergic attack.
and well, what I saw then was terrible.

Dead bodies in the dozens, people getting treated in hallways, sleeping on the floor.
And that was just a quick in and out, I did not take a look at the entire building,
But if you see that, just by entering and moving a few dozen meters... what can you expect from the whole thing.

I had this feeling of dread like death was looming in the air.

Honestly, I think of all people, porn actors, have nothing to worry about.
In particular, the women, who take their health seriously,
some of the male actors are downright obese. but the girls are OK.

All of the people, that I saw in the hospital, at a glance,
looked to be suffering from grade II obesity or worse.

Chubby looking people. Age didn't seem to matter.

My advise would simply be, stop eating sugar and alcohol, reduce as much as possible processed food, eat whole food.

This fucking disease is not going to go away. Until people in general, get healthy, lol.

Sorry for the bad situation in Mexico. Probably many other countries are the same and are suppressing the news, not the virus.

Agree that obesity is a big risk factor, same as for many diseases. But being skinny isn't a silver bullet. Many skinny old people seem to get wiped out by this covid. And some young, healthy peope too.

[PornoManiac]

In poland if you die on heart attack...cause of death is covid19 that's is crazy

[robin_reid]

In poland if you die on heart attack...cause of death is covid19 that's is crazy

Same in Spain.

[avanfurwet]

In Spain they must be doing something right because cases and hospital admissions are coming down.

In the UK our glorious leadership's whack-a-mole policy so far has put us in deep mierda.

[Iddaoeeok]

The UK has always been slightly behind the rest of Europe in terms of the chronology of events, so what's happening in somewhere like France will happen in the UK 3 or 4 weeks later - must be something to do with being an island. You'd think that would give the UK an advantage but apparently not. Anyway, I'm not sure this is the right place to discuss these matters but we're all hoping for the same outcome at least!

[DPraved]

...I'm not sure this is the right place to discuss these matters but we're all hoping for the same outcome at least!

Well, Covid has imposed a problematic social distancing between Russian girls and BBC, so it most definitely affects the discussions on this forum.
Does anyone here know what happened to that Russian vaccine that was much talked about in the news earlier?

[drinside]

In poland if you die on heart attack...cause of death is covid19 that's is crazy

Same in Spain.

That's also happened in Brazil. Here the governament are giving money to hospitals that are dealing with covid, so now every person that dies is classified with covid so they can get more money. Thats a true statement cause my auntie has died over a stroke and was classified with covid.

[robin_reid]

In poland if you die on heart attack...cause of death is covid19 that's is crazy

Same in Spain.

That's also happened in Brazil. Here the governament are giving money to hospitals that are dealing with covid, so now every person that dies is classified with covid so they can get more money. Thats a true statement cause my auntie has died over a stroke and was classified with covid.

Similar in Spain with the “ the covid fee rate”, here the government are giving money to the regions, as more covid cases, more money. Now seems that all the other patologies and diseases dissapeared, all is covid...

[BlueShadow]

Well, it's more fault of the governments. I mean, give money for what? They should give respirators, masks, tampons, reagents etc. as they do in Italy and other countries, not money.

[drinside]

Well, it's more fault of the governments. I mean, give money for what? They should give respirators, masks, tampons, reagents etc. as they do in Italy and other countries, not money.

Some countrys are different. Here in Brazil just like in USA we have States and every state has own rules and regulation so the federal governament gives money so they can spend according his laws and regulations.

[BlueShadow]

[Angel Eyes]

With their current infection numbers, Czech Republic is on a rapid path to shutdown https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-10-czechs-impose-restrictions-virus-cases.html. Czech Republic Covid situation is deteriorating rapidly.

I guess my jealousy of the celebration on the Charles Bridge back in early summer was premature. Czechs let their guard down loosening mask restrictions thinking they'd beaten it. Take heed, we cannot let our guard down at all or the virus wins.

Good news is, vaccines are coming, but even so we are still probably 12-24 months to a return to 'normal' life

[dap-addict]

So far no lockdown in Czech, but strict social distancing again.
Most shops are closed, but ppl go to work.
Also porn actors and porn actresses.

[BlueShadow]

Lets say partial lockdown.
I don't know the specific rules, but only the essential services should be open. If not, it will be soon...

In the meantime Ireland is in total lockdown. First (and I guess not last) EU country after the first wave.

[BlueShadow]

With their current infection numbers, Czech Republic is on a rapid path to shutdown https://medicalxpress.com/news/2020-10-czechs-impose-restrictions-virus-cases.html. Czech Republic Covid situation is deteriorating rapidly.

I guess my jealousy of the celebration on the Charles Bridge back in early summer was premature. Czechs let their guard down loosening mask restrictions thinking they'd beaten it. Take heed, we cannot let our guard down at all or the virus wins.

Good news is, vaccines are coming, but even so we are still probably 12-24 months to a return to 'normal' life

not before 2021. In the meantime we all have to face a tough autumn and winter, there is little to do. I don't know if that "free all" of this summer (across Europe) how much it affected, but the virus would have regained strength in the winter anyway.
Fortunately the dead are not like those of March ... but with these numbers of contagion it is only a matter of time.

[jackthetreacleeater]

Hilarious
https://www.expats.cz/czech-news/article/breaking-czech-pm-andrej-babis-requests-resignation-of-health-minister-roman-prymula
Well that's Ken and the Colonel gone, who's next? With any luck Ano will continue to self-destruct and they'll be no Ano and no shitty coalition government left soon, just Agent Boures and Zeman on their own, like a couple of old fart Soviet byrokrat.

It's here to stay, nought to do about it, lets get on with our lives. They can't keep this bollocks up forever because there will be civil unrest eventually. It has and never will represent an existential threat to our society or way of life, only the actions by global governments are representing the existential threat. The mortality rate is an irrelevance, https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/, where's the issue? So what, a few spikes, no different than bad flu seasons. Overall the trend is bog standard. The global population continues to grow at unprecedented levels, so no issues there. If you want to hide away from the world waiting for a pointless vaccine, go ahead, just let the rest of us get on with our lives. Meanwhile other more serious diseases with grossly higher mortality rates go untreated and undiagnosed. 800,000 dead from malaria this year alone, supposed deaths from Corona 1,144,255. Honestly who cares, just a drop in the ocean. There will be 150,000,000 million more people born by the end of the year. It's just a numbers game and Corona deaths are a statistical irrelevance. Sure, if you've got a sob story about your fat diabetic uncle dying of corona you'll take it personally, but at the end of the day, whatever, this ain't the zombie apocalypse.

[Pineapples Studio]

It's very interesting to watch your country experience the same public disputes, arguments, and policy debates surrounding the coronavirus as the United States experienced earlier this year, after we have been criticized for so long regarding our response to the virus. Many of the arguments I read from Czech citizens about the lockdowns are almost identical to arguments from American Republicans back in March and April... in particular, the notion that "we have to accept the virus as a part of live and continue on as normal" is almost verbatim.

The solution can't be worse than the problem. I have always been in favor of lockdowns and social distancing, but only for brief durations of time. We cannot simply shut down the planet and stay home for 2-3 years.

[BlueShadow]

I hope you won't say the same when a friend or some elderly relative will suffer because there was no room for him in the hospital, and because all the beds and intensive care units were occupied. Not funny at all...

Hilarious
https://www.expats.cz/czech-news/article/breaking-czech-pm-andrej-babis-requests-resignation-of-health-minister-roman-prymula
Well that's Ken and the Colonel gone, who's next? With any luck Ano will continue to self-destruct and they'll be no Ano and no shitty coalition government left soon, just Agent Boures and Zeman on their own, like a couple of old fart Soviet byrokrat.

It's here to stay, nought to do about it, lets get on with our lives. They can't keep this bollocks up forever because there will be civil unrest eventually. It has and never will represent an existential threat to our society or way of life, only the actions by global governments are representing the existential threat. The mortality rate is an irrelevance, https://www.euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps/, where's the issue? So what, a few spikes, no different than bad flu seasons. Overall the trend is bog standard. The global population continues to grow at unprecedented levels, so no issues there. If you want to hide away from the world waiting for a pointless vaccine, go ahead, just let the rest of us get on with our lives. Meanwhile other more serious diseases with grossly higher mortality rates go untreated and undiagnosed. 800,000 dead from malaria this year alone, supposed deaths from Corona 1,144,255. Honestly who cares, just a drop in the ocean. There will be 150,000,000 million more people born by the end of the year. It's just a numbers game and Corona deaths are a statistical irrelevance. Sure, if you've got a sob story about your fat diabetic uncle dying of corona you'll take it personally, but at the end of the day, whatever, this ain't the zombie apocalypse.

I hope you won't say the same when a friend or some elderly relative will suffer because there was no room for him in the hospital, and because all the beds and intensive care units were occupied. Not funny at all...

[BlueShadow]

And oit's clear that is not the zombie apocalypse LOL The virus is not lethal (luckily) Almost all of those deaths died WITH coronavirus, not FOR coronavirus. The virus is dangerous for the weaker ones who already have pathologies.
Many deaths are avoidable if action is taken immediately, they are just wasting time hoping that the contagion data will improve, but the situation can only get worse. It must be accepted.
Not acting in the knowledge of causing deaths (which would be avoidable) of many of our elder-weak-grandparents is immoral.

[nilis]

I remember pulling off this kind of a silly joke some months ago: hey, the world is getting better, they're already shooting porn in the Czech Republic.

Stay safe everyone.

[avanfurwet]

Malaria and other diseases have higher mortality rates in third-world countries which cannot or will not prevent, diagnose or treat those diseases. Europe and America are mostly untroubled by those problems. Maybe we should care more about third-world problems, but it's a false comparison with Covid. We die of cancer, heart disease and diabetes, but we can't prevent these by stopping transmitting them to each other, so that's also a false comparison to Covid.

Covid today is overloading intensive care units in Europe and America with critically ill patients of all ages and ethnicities, with and without co-morbidities, 50% of whom (if ventilated) will die from pneumonia caused by Covid. Consequently our ICU's become unavailable to patients with other illnesses and injuries.

The problem is not trivial or irrelevant. It's not a drop in the ocean. National mortality rates are running way above trend. ICU capacity cannot be grown fast enough to absorb the demand.

Maybe it would be a good idea for our governments to try to do something about this? Morally, they should care. Cynically, they don't want to lose voters.

Some governments appear to have got some control over this. China (authoritarian leadership) and New Zealand (sane leadership) seem to be doing better than most.
Both locked down early and hard, to prevent people from spreading covid to each other. Which is the only damn thing which works right now.

Problem is it's too late for the rest of us. Our governments lacked the courage to lock down early enough or hard enough. And/or they opened up too much and too fast. Now the genie is out of the bottle. Covid is everywhere.

So most western governments are running about like headless chickens improvising various uncoordinated ever-changing half-arsed tactics which are killing our economies whilst simultaneously failing to halt the spread of the virus. Now we have the worst of all worlds. Politicians are telling us it's a "balancing act".

It's a monumental failure of political leadership.

[Iddaoeeok]

I hope you won't say the same when a friend or some elderly relative will suffer because there was no room for him in the hospital, and because all the beds and intensive care units were occupied. Not funny at all...

This guy's just a typical internet blowhard, thick as pigshit, he'd collapse like a house of cards if the virus came anywhere near him

[Iddaoeeok]

... not you, Blue Shadow!

[netzerkaiser]

... not you, Blue Shadow!

Theres got to be another way. I know I overstepped mark last night re: conspiracy stuff, & someone at LP was decent enough to delete it... but theres got to be another way. I don't speak for myself, I'm what they call front line, plush... blah blah blah... but its killing me to see friends & decent acquaintances lose their livliehoods & any bit of savings over this. Personally, I have helped out ederly friend in the States because we all know how poor socal security system is there... point is, believe me, ordinary people will, over coming months, be looking for not scapegoats, but real disinformative actors over this. When you've nothing to lose, you've nothing to lose... & the first place will be mass media. Maybe its not a bad thing either. For governments, when you strip your core support, i.e. the self-sufficient lower middle class of means - you're taking on something unprecidented. No way am I saying "lets sit back & open the popcorn".

[netzerkaiser]

... not you, Blue Shadow!

Theres got to be another way. I know I overstepped mark last night re: conspiracy stuff, & someone at LP was decent enough to delete it... but theres got to be another way. I don't speak for myself, I'm what they call front line, plush... blah blah blah... but its killing me to see friends & decent acquaintances lose their livliehoods & any bit of savings over this. Personally, I have helped out ederly friend in the States because we all know how poor socal security system is there... point is, believe me, ordinary people will, over coming months, be looking for not scapegoats, but real disinformative actors over this. When you've nothing to lose, you've nothing to lose... & the first place will be mass media. Maybe its not a bad thing either. For governments, when you strip your core support, i.e. the self-sufficient lower middle class of means - you're taking on something unprecidented. No way am I saying "lets sit back & open the popcorn".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BP_hMMfDVcQ

[BlueShadow]

... not you, Blue Shadow!

I already understood that

[netzerkaiser]

Pfeizer reckon they have a vaccine. Lets hope someone does soon.

[BlueShadow]

https://www.ilmessaggero.it/persone/rocco_siffredi_positivo_covid_come_sta_contagiata_famiglia_figli_moglie_rosa_budapest_dove_sta_roma_ultime_notizie-5549931.html

Rocco Siffredi is positive. His wife, children, the driver and the maid were also infected.
Now he is in quarantine in Budapest.

Good luck to those who have had contact with him in recent weeks in Budapest.

[DPraved]

Malaria and other diseases have higher mortality rates in third-world countries which cannot or will not prevent, diagnose or treat those diseases. Europe and America are mostly untroubled by those problems. Maybe we should care more about third-world problems, but it's a false comparison with Covid. We die of cancer, heart disease and diabetes, but we can't prevent these by stopping transmitting them to each other, so that's also a false comparison to Covid.

Covid today is overloading intensive care units in Europe and America with critically ill patients of all ages and ethnicities, with and without co-morbidities, 50% of whom (if ventilated) will die from pneumonia caused by Covid. Consequently our ICU's become unavailable to patients with other illnesses and injuries.

The problem is not trivial or irrelevant. It's not a drop in the ocean. National mortality rates are running way above trend. ICU capacity cannot be grown fast enough to absorb the demand.

Maybe it would be a good idea for our governments to try to do something about this? Morally, they should care. Cynically, they don't want to lose voters.

Some governments appear to have got some control over this. China (authoritarian leadership) and New Zealand (sane leadership) seem to be doing better than most.
Both locked down early and hard, to prevent people from spreading covid to each other. Which is the only damn thing which works right now.

Problem is it's too late for the rest of us. Our governments lacked the courage to lock down early enough or hard enough. And/or they opened up too much and too fast. Now the genie is out of the bottle. Covid is everywhere.

So most western governments are running about like headless chickens improvising various uncoordinated ever-changing half-arsed tactics which are killing our economies whilst simultaneously failing to halt the spread of the virus. Now we have the worst of all worlds. Politicians are telling us it's a "balancing act".

It's a monumental failure of political leadership.

Spot on analysis!

[SimplyStunning]

In poland if you die on heart attack...cause of death is covid19 that's is crazy

Same in Spain.

Sad, such a disingenuous over simplification of the pandemic. This is why we will never beat COVID19 as a race. Let me play this disingenuous game:

• Should I go to jail for pushing someone off a 100 story building and the person falling to their death ? After all the act of me pushing that person didn't kill them, it was them actually smashing into the ground that did it.
  
• Should I go to jail for pushing someone into the ocean and the person drowning ? After all the act of pushing that person didn't kill them, it was them suffocating from inhaling all that water.

So the answer to your no detail scenario in Poland is yes a person can die from a heart attack caused by COVID19. It is simple to understand just look at what the science says on what COVID does to your lungs and body in general and correlate that with what symptoms can bring on a heart attack. If this doesn't make sense after doing this simple research then you don't want to understand you just want to be disagreeable because COVID19 inconveniences you. I hate these inconveniences too but is something we have to be vigilant and do as the human race until science delivers a cure.

Unfortunately, these disingenuous no detail statements do more harm than good as people get tired of fighting COVID19.