Piss is dead

[jjwhite1985]

You're comparing apples with oranges. I think that interesting quote below speaks for itself in a concise manner. Not to mention many GG customers are expecting girls to perform at a higher level when it comes to certain acts so from that perspective it may also make sense to rely on tried and tested models rather than inexperienced and awkward performers.

NRX was based in Russia, you dont need a genius to find new hot girls in russia when the money your offer represent high purchasing power and in average russian girls are much hotter than anywhere else. I know what I am talking about, I was there for years.

We dont have such girls in europe, period (and not even in usa, fuck nowhere)

All the rest are rotten and vulgar rants from someone that doesnt have 1/2 clue regarding what he is talking about.

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You guys don't understand anything at all, people just want new girls and those new girls are obviously going to be inexperienced, that's literally what most people who watch porn want to see.

People got bored of always seeing the same models doing the same thing. LP became famous all over the world by bringing in a totally unknown new girl every week and giving her a hardcore DP/DAP treatment, that's just what people want.

Doesn't matter how many times you say the same thing dude, you'll still be wrong every time you say it.

[vvvv84335]

Only Fans has absolutely NOTHING to do with Analpiss
There is almost ZERO double anal in OF so cut the crap and don't use Only fan as a pretense to hide your own incompetence and lameness it's shameful

Your business is zeroing to crap because of the mediocre quality of your production. Your content is filled boring retarded stupidities like drinking pee in a shot glass or a pint. Nobody jerks on such rubbish coz it's pathetic

I owe all the best Legalporno videos before 2010: almost a collection of 500 videos and they have ZERO Pissing nonsense

So quit the bullshit

You're exactly the type of forum poster SuperImp is talking about, you're just annoyed because you've got an obsessive dislike for piss content and have convinced yourself that if they got rid of it things would go back to how they were years ago. (I don't like piss either for what it's worth, I have wet scenes filtered out, but it's completely irrelevant to why LP is struggling.)

I don't like OF, never use it, I don't like the business model and it doesn't work for me as a consumer, but it has basically everything on it, depending on who you sub to, with the exception of the more extreme/niche stuff which is banned, like pee, fisting and prolapse, and that's where platforms like f@nsly, JFF, MV or a multitude of others come in. In fact, some pornstars have even made their first DP/DAP scenes exclusive to their OF. You'll also find most of the top LP girls also have their own platforms, whether it's OF or one or more of the others. It's something that's changed the ENTIRE industry, not just LP, so how you've managed to convince yourself it's got nothing to do with 3rd party platforms and it's all just because LP are making scenes that you, personally, don't like is beyond me.

I have pretty much the same opinion. I've used OF and maybe 1 out of 20 scenes are good. OF creators are the most deceptive pornographers I've come across; if they advertise with a short clip for a double vaginal/double anal/double blowjob scene on Reddit, it will usually show all there is of that double content. I asked in a thread if there's more of the double content in a scene beyond what is shown in the teaser and the result was complete silence from the creator. USE OF AT YOUR OWN RISK! OF is a scam for fans of this type of content, you're better off buying scenes from M@nyVids, PB or subscription sites.

Finally, it doesn't matter if I like or don't like a certain type of content - piss sells because a lot of people enjoy it!

[vvvv84335]

You guys don't understand anything at all, people just want new girls and those new girls are obviously going to be inexperienced, that's literally what most people who watch porn want to see.

People got bored of always seeing the same models doing the same thing. LP became famous all over the world by bringing in a totally unknown new girl every week and giving her a hardcore DP/DAP treatment, that's just what people want.

Doesn't matter how many times you say the same thing dude, you'll still be wrong every time you say it.[/quote]

Correct again. People like different things, some of which you and I may find repulsive. Get over it and stop complaining, just buy what you like and be happy. These kind of comments just come off as childish and bitter.

[Chimpy.677]

You guys don't understand anything at all, people just want new girls and those new girls are obviously going to be inexperienced, that's literally what most people who watch porn want to see.

People got bored of always seeing the same models doing the same thing. LP became famous all over the world by bringing in a totally unknown new girl every week and giving her a hardcore DP/DAP treatment, that's just what people want.

Doesn't matter how many times you say the same thing dude, you'll still be wrong every time you say it.

Correct again. People like different things, some of which you and I may find repulsive. Get over it and stop complaining, just buy what you like and be happy. These kind of comments just come off as childish and bitter.[/quote]

I don't know if you noticed, but because of what you defend, there is now nothing left to buy...

[Anselm_Weinberg]

I don't know if you noticed, but because of what you defend, there is now nothing left to buy...

Do you have any proof for that assertion? If so, please point to it. Thanks.

[Chimpy.677]

I don't know if you noticed, but because of what you defend, there is now nothing left to buy...

Do you have any proof for that assertion? If so, please point to it. Thanks.

Yes, I do. It's reality, look at the scenes that were made in the golden age of LP and now look at the ones they made when everything went to hell. Reality supports me, fanaticism supports you.

[Anselm_Weinberg]

Sorry, but correlation does not imply causation. You'd need something more tangible.

[vvvv84335]

I don't know if you noticed, but because of what you defend, there is now nothing left to buy...

Do you have any proof for that assertion? If so, please point to it. Thanks.

Yes, I do. It's reality, look at the scenes that were made in the golden age of LP and now look at the ones they made when everything went to hell. Reality supports me, fanaticism supports you.

Have you considered the possibility that what you used to like simply isn't as appealing to you as it once was? Heavy porn users grow tired of the same tyoe if content

[Chimpy.677]

Have you considered the possibility that what you used to like simply isn't as appealing to you as it once was? Heavy porn users grow tired of the same tyoe if content

That's the worst thing that could happen to a company, because it means they don't have any new clients, something I've been saying for a long time. It's always the same guys consuming the same scenes and models constantly for years. And again, it's not something I'm saying, you can see it on this very forum.

[Anselm_Weinberg]

That's the worst thing that could happen to a company, because it means they don't have any new clients, something I've been saying for a long time. It's always the same guys consuming the same scenes and models constantly for years. And again, it's not something I'm saying, you can see it on this very forum.

But why are you implying to speak on behalf of the majority of the userbase? You're just speaking for yourself and relying heavily on anecdotes scattered across the forum and elsewhere, you'll find just as many opposite opinions and as many inbetween. Besides, the forum does not even represent the majority of customers but a select few of hardcore invested fans and is thus not really something to base an argument on anyway. You don't really have access to the sales statistics and have therefore no way to tell who buys what for what reason. Your argument is really based on your opinion rather than facts.

[vvvv84335]

Have you considered the possibility that what you used to like simply isn't as appealing to you as it once was? Heavy porn users grow tired of the same tyoe if content

That's the worst thing that could happen to a company, because it means they don't have any new clients, something I've been saying for a long time. It's always the same guys consuming the same scenes and models constantly for years. And again, it's not something I'm saying, you can see it on this very forum.

I can't speak for others, I was referring to you specifically and your personal tastes

[House MD]

It took me a while to get it after so many pages of absolute gibberish

We're not talking about the same thing

I'm talking about quality content driven by curvy chicks getting DPed, DAPed, DVPed, TAPed in all her holes in all positions by more than 5 dicks crucifying her - the glorious porn that made History during Cristian Raul's time. The kind of porn that sells to a straight audience because there's rough intense sex and actual fucking

Here THEY are talking about watching and jerking off on naked men, and penis close-ups and the taste of male pee in their fantasy. A bunch of gaylords that can't get enough of the taste of male asshole pretending rimjobs and piss are about woman being degraded well they are not gaylords have you ever seen a chick screaming in pain, getting embarrassed or being uncomfy drinking pee NEVER it's a moment of absolute retarded gaylordness only your cock-gobbling selves fap on... I mean who the fuck would go on Only Fan... nobody digging solo gangbang scenes visit Only Fans only gay audiences go there that's why they use OF to justify their Gaylord director Giorgio's epic sales failure

[Anselm_Weinberg]

It's been said time and time again, there was no sales failure. Sales were good up until the end, the reasons GG has quit his production are situated elsewhere. Besides, that homophobic rant isn't really helping to get your point across either.

[netzerkaiser]

guys cool it. i see a lot of funny but also aggressive stuff today. i've posted some retarded stuff here, mostly while drunk past few years, but i also i hope brought a friendliness to the thing, it was so vicious & febrile when i started here. i just hope it all doesn't start getting vicious again. Because you know, about four years ago it was damned vicious. particularly man to man fights. it was pretty ugly actually, wouldn't like to see that happen again.

cool down, its all bullshit anyway.

but if we can make it intelligent & comical bullshit, i'm all for that.

[House MD]

Like I'd give a flying fuck about your mood and frustrations
Piss is NOT SEX
Piss is garbage porn, a vapid, vacuous placeholder repetitively stuffed in GIO videos to elongate the length of that video (and hence it's price). That's the only reason piss video sell better than nonpiss versions coz per min the video costs less compared to the shorter version. Can you believe 13€ to watch 40min of broken sex scenes where piss has been cut off and where the model dried her hair disturbing the whole shoot: that's the Giorgio paradigm a blueprint of lame, dispassionate, tip-fucking scenes where vaginas and sex themselves are not even required: just cake eating, pee drinking in lil sake glass and bassin play... and you call that porn, LOL what a joke
For female models drinking piss is crazy silly money: they don't even have to fuck, it's like toy play to them: slide and stupid puddle play directed by lazy-ass crooked directors like Giorgio and appealing to retarded faggots like you

[xxxVIPERxxx]

It's been said time and time again, there was no sales failure. Sales were good up until the end, the reasons GG has quit his production are situated elsewhere. Besides, that homophobic rant isn't really helping to get your point across either.

I also agree and think that the sales were decent, sales were not a big problem.
People can choose to do things for personal reasons, if I could leave my job and live very comfortably, and let other people do the job for me...I would do it in a heartbeat...

[House MD]

@ Anselm_Weinberg and other cock-gobblers on payroll
Not you Netzerkaiser who are too cool for such manipulative shit

Like I'd give a flying fuck about your mood and frustrations
Piss is NOT SEX
Piss is garbage porn, a vapid, vacuous placeholder repetitively stuffed in GIO videos to elongate the length of that video (and hence it's price). That's the only reason piss video sell better than nonpiss versions coz per min the video costs less compared to the shorter version. Can you believe 13€ to watch 40min of broken sex scenes where piss has been cut off and where the model dried her hair disturbing the whole shoot: that's the Giorgio paradigm a blueprint of lame, dispassionate, tip-fucking scenes where vaginas and sex themselves are not even required: just cake eating, pee drinking in lil sake glass and bassin play... and you call that porn, LOL what a joke
For female models drinking piss is crazy silly money: they don't even have to fuck, it's like toy play to them: slide and stupid puddle play directed by lazy-ass crooked directors like Giorgio and appealing to retarded faggots like you

[Anselm_Weinberg]

@ Anselm_Weinberg and other cock-gobblers on payroll
Not you Netzerkaiser who are too cool for such manipulative shit

Like I'd give a flying fuck about your mood and frustrations
Piss is NOT SEX
Piss is garbage porn, a vapid, vacuous placeholder repetitively stuffed in GIO videos to elongate the length of that video (and hence it's price). That's the only reason piss video sell better than nonpiss versions coz per min the video costs less compared to the shorter version. Can you believe 13€ to watch 40min of broken sex scenes where piss has been cut off and where the model dried her hair disturbing the whole shoot: that's the Giorgio paradigm a blueprint of lame, dispassionate, tip-fucking scenes where vaginas and sex themselves are not even required: just cake eating, pee drinking in lil sake glass and bassin play... and you call that porn, LOL what a joke
For female models drinking piss is crazy silly money: they don't even have to fuck, it's like toy play to them: slide and stupid puddle play directed by lazy-ass crooked directors like Giorgio and appealing to retarded faggots like you

Funny, I don't care much for piss myself but will also don't mind it and will buy the wet version because I want to watch a scene the way the director has intended it, in the full cut. I don't really have a horse in this race, just trying to stick to the facts and not let emotions get in the way. Something you're clearly unable to do.

[netzerkaiser]

@ Anselm_Weinberg and other cock-gobblers on payroll
Not you Netzerkaiser who are too cool for such manipulative shit

Like I'd give a flying fuck about your mood and frustrations
Piss is NOT SEX
Piss is garbage porn, a vapid, vacuous placeholder repetitively stuffed in GIO videos to elongate the length of that video (and hence it's price). That's the only reason piss video sell better than nonpiss versions coz per min the video costs less compared to the shorter version. Can you believe 13€ to watch 40min of broken sex scenes where piss has been cut off and where the model dried her hair disturbing the whole shoot: that's the Giorgio paradigm a blueprint of lame, dispassionate, tip-fucking scenes where vaginas and sex themselves are not even required: just cake eating, pee drinking in lil sake glass and bassin play... and you call that porn, LOL what a joke
For female models drinking piss is crazy silly money: they don't even have to fuck, it's like toy play to them: slide and stupid puddle play directed by lazy-ass crooked directors like Giorgio and appealing to retarded faggots like you

Thanks man, I really appreciate that. I do. And you and I fought before, which makes my appreciation greater again. But I think the couple of guys involved here, besides yourself are decent guys too. I'm sure when you reason it out, it'll all be good. And thanks!

[House MD]

@ Anselm_Weinberg and other cock-gobblers on payroll
Not you Netzerkaiser who are too cool for such manipulative shit

Like I'd give a flying fuck about your mood and frustrations
Piss is NOT SEX
Piss is garbage porn, a vapid, vacuous placeholder repetitively stuffed in GIO videos to elongate the length of that video (and hence it's price). That's the only reason piss video sell better than nonpiss versions coz per min the video costs less compared to the shorter version. Can you believe 13€ to watch 40min of broken sex scenes where piss has been cut off and where the model dried her hair disturbing the whole shoot: that's the Giorgio paradigm a blueprint of lame, dispassionate, tip-fucking scenes where vaginas and sex themselves are not even required: just cake eating, pee drinking in lil sake glass and bassin play... and you call that porn, LOL what a joke
For female models drinking piss is crazy silly money: they don't even have to fuck, it's like toy play to them: slide and stupid puddle play directed by lazy-ass crooked directors like Giorgio and appealing to retarded faggots like you

Funny, I don't care much for piss myself but will also don't mind it and will buy the wet version because I want to watch a scene the way the director has intended it, in the full cut. I don't really have a horse in this race, just trying to stick to the facts and not let emotions get in the way. Something you're clearly unable to do.

Yes I'm fucking ZEN
especially when I see bullshit reasons as Onlyfan, I mean who the fuck are we kidding to swallow such retarded pee nonsense: you have to be stupid enough as to not understand market affinities to come up with such rubbish all that coz your gaylord lame crook of a director said so: it's like saying Analpiss sales tanked coz of Twitch... ludicrous

[netzerkaiser]

maybe everyone here should just watch this, and have a chuckle:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrcbCW4y9Dw

we're all better than this.

[jjwhite1985]

Funny, I don't care much for piss myself but will also don't mind it and will buy the wet version because I want to watch a scene the way the director has intended it, in the full cut. I don't really have a horse in this race, just trying to stick to the facts and not let emotions get in the way. Something you're clearly unable to do.

Yes I'm fucking ZEN
especially when I see bullshit reasons as Onlyfan, I mean who the fuck are we kidding to swallow such retarded pee nonsense: you have to be stupid enough as to not understand market affinities to come up with such rubbish all that coz your gaylord lame crook of a director said so: it's like saying Analpiss sales tanked coz of Twitch... ludicrous

Jesus man, were you dropped on the head as a child? Whether you like it or not OF is worth more than most of the world's top porn studios PUT TOGETHER, precisely because it's taken so much of the market! Virtually every pornstar and amateur is on it. Yet again you're completely confused by the fact that just because something isn't to your personal taste doesn't mean it isn't popular. Your opinion on piss scenes or whatever the fuck you're continuously shitting your pants over couldn't be more irrelevant - nobody cares, it has nothing to do with anything.

[House MD]

Funny, I don't care much for piss myself but will also don't mind it and will buy the wet version because I want to watch a scene the way the director has intended it, in the full cut. I don't really have a horse in this race, just trying to stick to the facts and not let emotions get in the way. Something you're clearly unable to do.

Yes I'm fucking ZEN
especially when I see bullshit reasons as Onlyfan, I mean who the fuck are we kidding to swallow such retarded pee nonsense: you have to be stupid enough as to not understand market affinities to come up with such rubbish all that coz your gaylord lame crook of a director said so: it's like saying Analpiss sales tanked coz of Twitch... ludicrous

Jesus man, were you dropped on the head as a child? Whether you like it or not OF is worth more than most of the world's top porn studios PUT TOGETHER, precisely because it's taken so much of the market! Virtually every pornstar and amateur is on it. Yet again you're completely confused by the fact that just because something isn't to your personal taste doesn't mean it isn't popular. Your opinion on piss scenes or whatever the fuck you're continuously shitting your pants over couldn't be more irrelevant - nobody cares, it has nothing to do with anything.

Not being able to construe market segments (solo gangbangs vs solo play/1on1), product attributes (DAPs/DP/DVP/TP vs Toy/Pee/Tease play), market affinities and sales dynamics... in the first place and vomiting gross stupidities like OF phagocyting DAP/DP/DVP/TP markets is either being mentally challenged or brain damaged which I take you are

[jjwhite1985]

Jesus man, were you dropped on the head as a child? Whether you like it or not OF is worth more than most of the world's top porn studios PUT TOGETHER, precisely because it's taken so much of the market! Virtually every pornstar and amateur is on it. Yet again you're completely confused by the fact that just because something isn't to your personal taste doesn't mean it isn't popular. Your opinion on piss scenes or whatever the fuck you're continuously shitting your pants over couldn't be more irrelevant - nobody cares, it has nothing to do with anything.

Not being able to construe market segments (solo gangbangs vs solo play/1on1), product attributes (DAPs/DP/DVP/TP vs Toy/Pee/Tease play), market affinities and sales dynamics... in the first place and vomiting gross stupidities like OF phagocyting DAP/DP/DVP/TP markets is either being mentally challenged or brain damaged which I take you are

Are you having a stroke? Try that again in English

[vvvv84335]

It took me a while to get it after so many pages of absolute gibberish

We're not talking about the same thing

I'm talking about quality content driven by curvy chicks getting DPed, DAPed, DVPed, TAPed in all her holes in all positions by more than 5 dicks crucifying her - the glorious porn that made History during Cristian Raul's time. The kind of porn that sells to a straight audience because there's rough intense sex and actual fucking

Here THEY are talking about watching and jerking off on naked men, and penis close-ups and the taste of male pee in their fantasy. A bunch of gaylords that can't get enough of the taste of male asshole pretending rimjobs and piss are about woman being degraded well they are not gaylords have you ever seen a chick screaming in pain, getting embarrassed or being uncomfy drinking pee NEVER it's a moment of absolute retarded gaylordness only your cock-gobbling selves fap on... I mean who the fuck would go on Only Fan... nobody digging solo gangbang scenes visit Only Fans only gay audiences go there that's why they use OF to justify their Gaylord director Giorgio's epic sales failure

You sound like you went to the School of Vagatrumpster (vagabundo's fusion persona)

[vvvv84335]

Jesus man, were you dropped on the head as a child? Whether you like it or not OF is worth more than most of the world's top porn studios PUT TOGETHER, precisely because it's taken so much of the market! Virtually every pornstar and amateur is on it. Yet again you're completely confused by the fact that just because something isn't to your personal taste doesn't mean it isn't popular. Your opinion on piss scenes or whatever the fuck you're continuously shitting your pants over couldn't be more irrelevant - nobody cares, it has nothing to do with anything.

Not being able to construe market segments (solo gangbangs vs solo play/1on1), product attributes (DAPs/DP/DVP/TP vs Toy/Pee/Tease play), market affinities and sales dynamics... in the first place and vomiting gross stupidities like OF phagocyting DAP/DP/DVP/TP markets is either being mentally challenged or brain damaged which I take you are

Are you having a stroke? Try that again in English

Let me know when you have deciphered what he is saying. Either way... DAPs/DP/DVP/TP is arguably more homoerotic/homosexual than piss if you really want to go that route, since there is penis to penis contact in virtually all of those acts, as well as very close body proximity. I don't care about piss, and piss is such a small part of the scene that I just skip it. You sound incredibly homophobic. Who the fuck cares what's gay or not, just go watch your porn and enjoy it... whatever kind of porn it is.

[chrisssj2]

Finally the piss content is dead in this site, it was one of it's special features, now it is slowly becoming just like a another generic porn site. I will totally miss Giorgio and Gonzo studios, thanks for all your hard work on this. And Yummy seems like the only real piss studio right now, but even them have slowdown the releases of piss scenes lately.

Anyone knows another site that produce something similar to the golder piss era of analvids/legalporno, for now its seems like GGGJOHNTHOMPSON Bestfans site is the only who has similar content and also some JAV porn movies as well.

What website is this "GGGJOHNTHOMPSON Bestfans site"? didnt GGG quit making new piss scenes?

[chrisssj2]

The real thing that kills this site is that most "piss drinking" is not piss drinking at all. They should tone down it with glasses also. Give us straight piss drinking like on PH.
90% of PH amateurs drink better piss then the whores on this site.

[trueEroskaven]

Finally the piss content is dead in this site, it was one of it's special features, now it is slowly becoming just like a another generic porn site. I will totally miss Giorgio and Gonzo studios, thanks for all your hard work on this. And Yummy seems like the only real piss studio right now, but even them have slowdown the releases of piss scenes lately.

Anyone knows another site that produce something similar to the golder piss era of analvids/legalporno, for now its seems like GGGJOHNTHOMPSON Bestfans site is the only who has similar content and also some JAV porn movies as well.

What website is this "GGGJOHNTHOMPSON Bestfans site"? didnt GGG quit making new piss scenes?

Ironically, this site https://www.bestfans.com/gggjohnthompson, it's a derivation from Only Fans, now even John Thompson moved to this business model, but hey at least he is still producing this kind of content.

To move a little bit from the current discussion, everyone has their own conclusions and its fine, i see mostly here say the same except for the two childs who hate piss, which is fine, i totally support freedom of expression even for lies or stupid things.

It seems to me that these studios are the only ones who keep doing piss gangbang porn.
Inside Analvids
- Giorgio Grandi succesors.
- Angelo Godshack Original
- Yummy Estudio.
- Erika Korti.
- Disciples of Desire.
- LATIN TEENS (i'm still don't know if their latest releases are really new or re-releases from the past)

And outside Analvids
- https://www.bestfans.com/gggjohnthompson
- Some JAV producers like SM and it's MISM series, actually the last Toilet Fairy No. 5 (MISM-328) was pretty good.

I would love to know more sources of this kind of porn.

[chrisssj2]

Finally the piss content is dead in this site, it was one of it's special features, now it is slowly becoming just like a another generic porn site. I will totally miss Giorgio and Gonzo studios, thanks for all your hard work on this. And Yummy seems like the only real piss studio right now, but even them have slowdown the releases of piss scenes lately.

Anyone knows another site that produce something similar to the golder piss era of analvids/legalporno, for now its seems like GGGJOHNTHOMPSON Bestfans site is the only who has similar content and also some JAV porn movies as well.

What website is this "GGGJOHNTHOMPSON Bestfans site"? didnt GGG quit making new piss scenes?

Ironically, this site https://www.bestfans.com/gggjohnthompson, it's a derivation from Only Fans, now even John Thompson moved to this business model, but hey at least he is still producing this kind of content.

To move a little bit from the current discussion, everyone has their own conclusions and its fine, i see mostly here say the same except for the two childs who hate piss, which is fine, i totally support freedom of expression even for lies or stupid things.

It seems to me that these studios are the only ones who keep doing piss gangbang porn.
Inside Analvids
- Giorgio Grandi succesors.
- Angelo Godshack Original
- Yummy Estudio.
- Erika Korti.
- Disciples of Desire.
- LATIN TEENS (i'm still don't know if their latest releases are really new or re-releases from the past)

And outside Analvids
- https://www.bestfans.com/gggjohnthompson
- Some JAV producers like SM and it's MISM series, actually the last Toilet Fairy No. 5 (MISM-328) was pretty good.

I would love to know more sources of this kind of porn.

This site is totally locked cant see anything. Is it just re-releases of old movies? or new piss drinking movies?

[hyapet]

If we want to be real about this - piss absolutely didn't help the site overall. The sales may have been good, but the cost for that was just too high.

I don't get turned on by girl's drinking pee. That has nothing to do with what I'm about to say.

First off, there's just something so ... non-sexual about it. It's an exercise in degradation, which, sure, can be a turn on, but let's see how that most likely affected the business as a whole.

Getting the traditional non-Russian porn actress to do DAP was always climbing to the summit of Everest. It's the last stop to "full blown whore mode" for the girl - who, from that point forward, will have all her future works compared to that one. Thing is, though! It was indeed possible. It all took place under the umbrella of "porn."

Adding pissing into the mix of literally everything only moved that summit another 10,000 feet into the sky. With the end result being - many of the amazingly hot American porn-stars who would have most likely been more than willing to do a few shoots (even DAP's) with the AV/PB studios were now like, "Nah ... I shoot porn. Not degradation fetish. I want to at least be able to lie to people that I'm still 'an artist,' which is next to impossible to do when you're out there glugging piss."

The act also tainted everything else that appeared on the site. Where, at the end of the day, Legalporno became the place where "people go to get pee'd on." It effectively took the site out of the circuit for most North American performers who, looked at their porn careers as having some actual longevity. Where, the idea is being able to perform and tape 100+ scenes of 1 on 1 pussy, or anal, with a few DP's thrown in here and there. Where their looks were good enough to warrant a long career.

Instead of being the place that one could go to unleash a few scenes that made everyone turn their heads and go, Wow ... and thereby give their career a shot in the arm in terms of sales and people paying attention, it instead cast itself off as this kind of fetish-zone, where people went when they had nothing else to either lose or do. Or, where they were specifically targeting the kink-market.

Even worse - as the representative for Double Anal market wide - it likewise cast the act of Double Anal more into the arena of shit people watch when they're interested in things other than sex rather than nearing it more towards the market of "normal porn." Like ... you might not want to hear this, but ... with all the peeing going on here, what Legalporno did and does to this day is a lot closer to scat-"porn" than to "regular porn." The fetish on display here is ingesting bodily discharges - which, really, has nothing to do with the art or the act of fucking.

And it's this act and the degrading tinge it brings with it always - alongside the social pariah status that it enlists upon the people who partake in it - that turned Legalporno from the place it could have been into the place that it is. It went from possibly being the spot gorgeous American could-be-models went to actually perform DP and DAP-breakin' gangbangs into a spot where, the tell-tale sign of a "Legalporno performer" that wasn't Russian was that they: were toothpick skinny (often on the borderline "might have drug problems" territory) which also meant, often, that they had no natural tits; that they were tattoo'd up the wazoo with the briefcase of Daddy issues that came with it; and that they were "into it," meaning, the performers weren't like, "I don't know if I can handle this, I'm fearful for my asshole," and more like, "Yeah! Stick another one in there guys! This is like my morning exercise routine!" So ...

More-so than that, though ... it's just the feeling of the site. And, well ... there's a lot more to go into. Like ... a lot. And those arguments, from the craft of putting together a good scene, to the energy and mystique of the brand itself, pissing all affected negatively. I'll break into those other subjects in some follow up posts, but, definitely ... pissing didn't help the site overall. And by that I mean ...

People who were fans of beautiful girls getting DAP'd - were sidelined - and the main focus of the site became indulging in degrading acts outside of porn rather than maximizing the appeal of the apex of porn itself. It's like when you're a big-time climate activist - and you have the chance to positively affect the world and what it consumes and produces - but instead, you spend your time sticking up for people who go and abduct people and murder mothers and their children in cold blood. It's like ... the brand got fucking tainted.

And, even if you don't hate pissing on people, you can feel it in your bones that the site Legalporno could have been, in that, an absolutely high-end studio that specializes in and produces some of the most captivating porn possible, instead became this greasy spot where any fetish can be indulged in as long as it brings a dollar.

Legalporno, AV/PB, all of them - they want to make money. Just a shame that we all missed out on some incredible actresses actually doing DAP - so that we could get the same five actresses in an endless cycle of getting performing the same degrading shit over and over and over again.

I'll leave it there for now. And remember - I don't hate pissing or anything like that - but I am being real as to what it did to the brand itself.

[Chimpy.677]

If we want to be real about this - piss absolutely didn't help the site overall. The sales may have been good, but the cost for that was just too high.

I don't get turned on by girl's drinking pee. That has nothing to do with what I'm about to say.

First off, there's just something so ... non-sexual about it. It's an exercise in degradation, which, sure, can be a turn on, but let's see how that most likely affected the business as a whole.

Getting the traditional non-Russian porn actress to do DAP was always climbing to the summit of Everest. It's the last stop to "full blown whore mode" for the girl - who, from that point forward, will have all her future works compared to that one. Thing is, though! It was indeed possible. It all took place under the umbrella of "porn."

Adding pissing into the mix of literally everything only moved that summit another 10,000 feet into the sky. With the end result being - many of the amazingly hot American porn-stars who would have most likely been more than willing to do a few shoots (even DAP's) with the AV/PB studios were now like, "Nah ... I shoot porn. Not degradation fetish. I want to at least be able to lie to people that I'm still 'an artist,' which is next to impossible to do when you're out there glugging piss."

The act also tainted everything else that appeared on the site. Where, at the end of the day, Legalporno became the place where "people go to get pee'd on." It effectively took the site out of the circuit for most North American performers who, looked at their porn careers as having some actual longevity. Where, the idea is being able to perform and tape 100+ scenes of 1 on 1 pussy, or anal, with a few DP's thrown in here and there. Where their looks were good enough to warrant a long career.

Instead of being the place that one could go to unleash a few scenes that made everyone turn their heads and go, Wow ... and thereby give their career a shot in the arm in terms of sales and people paying attention, it instead cast itself off as this kind of fetish-zone, where people went when they had nothing else to either lose or do. Or, where they were specifically targeting the kink-market.

Even worse - as the representative for Double Anal market wide - it likewise cast the act of Double Anal more into the arena of shit people watch when they're interested in things other than sex rather than nearing it more towards the market of "normal porn." Like ... you might not want to hear this, but ... with all the peeing going on here, what Legalporno did and does to this day is a lot closer to scat-"porn" than to "regular porn." The fetish on display here is ingesting bodily discharges - which, really, has nothing to do with the art or the act of fucking.

And it's this act and the degrading tinge it brings with it always - alongside the social pariah status that it enlists upon the people who partake in it - that turned Legalporno from the place it could have been into the place that it is. It went from possibly being the spot gorgeous American could-be-models went to actually perform DP and DAP-breakin' gangbangs into a spot where, the tell-tale sign of a "Legalporno performer" that wasn't Russian was that they: were toothpick skinny (often on the borderline "might have drug problems" territory) which also meant, often, that they had no natural tits; that they were tattoo'd up the wazoo with the briefcase of Daddy issues that came with it; and that they were "into it," meaning, the performers weren't like, "I don't know if I can handle this, I'm fearful for my asshole," and more like, "Yeah! Stick another one in there guys! This is like my morning exercise routine!" So ...

More-so than that, though ... it's just the feeling of the site. And, well ... there's a lot more to go into. Like ... a lot. And those arguments, from the craft of putting together a good scene, to the energy and mystique of the brand itself, pissing all affected negatively. I'll break into those other subjects in some follow up posts, but, definitely ... pissing didn't help the site overall. And by that I mean ...

People who were fans of beautiful girls getting DAP'd - were sidelined - and the main focus of the site became indulging in degrading acts outside of porn rather than maximizing the appeal of the apex of porn itself. It's like when you're a big-time climate activist - and you have the chance to positively affect the world and what it consumes and produces - but instead, you spend your time sticking up for people who go and abduct people and murder mothers and their children in cold blood. It's like ... the brand got fucking tainted.

And, even if you don't hate pissing on people, you can feel it in your bones that the site Legalporno could have been, in that, an absolutely high-end studio that specializes in and produces some of the most captivating porn possible, instead became this greasy spot where any fetish can be indulged in as long as it brings a dollar.

Legalporno, AV/PB, all of them - they want to make money. Just a shame that we all missed out on some incredible actresses actually doing DAP - so that we could get the same five actresses in an endless cycle of getting performing the same degrading shit over and over and over again.

I'll leave it there for now. And remember - I don't hate pissing or anything like that - but I am being real as to what it did to the brand itself.

You said everything I was saying with my comments in this thread, the only difference is that you did it in a more "friendly" way.

It's like I said: AV's current and weird clients don't care about women, they care about seeing men peeing and what I'm saying is totally tangible, because the most beautiful girl in the world can come to do a DAP and they'll come to complain that she didn't drink 10 liters of urine, didn't vomit or didn't take her stomach out of her ass... and that's now, but in a couple of years they'll get tired and start asking for scat porn and then who knows what...

PORN IS SIMPLE BRING A YOUNG BEAUTIFUL GIRL TO DO TRADITIONAL DP/DAP WITH SOME HIGH PERFORMANCE MALE ACTORS AND YOU'RE GOING TO HAVE A WORLDWIDE SUCCESSFUL SCENE. THAT'S WHAT GONZO DID IN HIS GOLDEN AGE AND GIORGIO (UNTIL HE STARTED WITH THE PISS) AND THEY BECAME FAMOUS ALL OVER THE WORLD.

[bake0213]

Let's be fair - every "mandatory" act a scene needs to have in order to sell reduces the pool of models willing to perform it. And man the quality of model has fallen...

[hyapet]

You said everything I was saying with my comments in this thread, the only difference is that you did it in a more "friendly" way.

Yeah - but having the discussion in a "friendly way" allows points to be brought up without the reasoning invariably returning to "it's gross and I hate it." Discussing the topic in a calm manner, I'm hoping, will bring people to both understand and realize that piss was horrible for the site in it's original intended purpose, and that both sides of the equation met each other in the middle without getting what either really wanted.

It's as you said - Gonzo was responsible for bringing a professional aesthetic to the DAP game - and in doing so, made actresses look insanely fucking hot whilst doing it. This was the ultimate industry lure to get amazingly hot actresses into DAP-breakin' scenes, because if they could look this hot whilst doing it, then they would most likely go from being "another performer" into someone whose name is widely known and synonymous with porn.

In other words, it would be a "leveling up" for their career that would bypass and make worth any ladder break they would do on the way. Exactly what DAP fans everywhere wanted. For DAP's ladder rung to be brought down from out of the stratosphere and made accessible to otherwise superhot performers that wouldn't, lacking Gonzo's professionalism, consider doing it.

Well, pissing ruined that. Because it was an admittance by the studio that, "Holy shit - you've got to be a freak to do DAP - I mean, the girl's that do drink a couple liters of piss beforehand."

Suddenly - DAP went from an end-of-the-line-but-ultimate-porn-act - to the beginning of complete gross-out porn. Everyone here is like, "Well then, what's next? Scat?" And - believe it or not - they're not wrong. You see ...

The people who "like pissing," are only ever getting the 1-on-1 pussy-only version of the field of porn they're into. They're at the starting point of complete gross-out porn that, unfortunately, has many more categories other than just scat. I mean - if you're drinking piss - isn't that just a warm up to eating shit? And, once you're done at the shit buffet, why don't you go fuck some animals? I mean ... gross-out porn isn't about porn so much as it's about pure degradation. The crossing of lines that no sane person would ever want to cross. It turns the act of porn into an exhibition of degradation. Where, really, porn itself has no place at the table anymore.

And you can see this in the scenes themselves! Everyone stops fucking. Gets super soft. And then takes a leak on the girl. All the energy in the scene goes right the fuck out of it. Not only this - these stops and gaps in the scenes themselves prohibit the energy of one section of the porn to extend to the other. Now, instead of five guys getting closer and closer to the girl as they're choking her on their cocks, only to pick her up, throw her onto the couch, turn her around, lock her arms behind her back, and then stick a gigantic cock up her ass while the other guy moves in immediately to insert his for the DAP breaking, you get ...

Everyone stops. The camera cuts out (the absolute fucking worst). Now everyone's standing around, and the girl's just kneeling there, smiling. And then the pee starts. And then it continues. And it keeps going. And she's just getting soaked, with her wet hair ruining any hotness she had. Then the pee stops. And then the scene cuts out again (fucking poison) - and now the girl, with damp hair, gets led to the couch where she will gently be DAP broken. It's like, the energy in the room is the same as having a fucking crumpet with your afternoon tea. It's fucking robbed.

And again - any synergy that could be exploited to make that scene it's own thing that's completely different from all the others just goes right the fuck out of the window. Now it's just fucking by numbers. This position. Then that position. Now another position. Bored yet? Great. Perfect time for some more pee. It's just such a ... fucking momentum breaker.

The worst is when they piss on her again at the end after the facial cumshots. Like, instead of the girl being used and tossed around and looking absolutely dumpster whorish by having huge gobs of cum covering her face, she instead looks like she just came out of the shower. With a chuckle and a smile for the ultimate boner fizzler.

As was stated - this making the scenes "wet" and "dry" doesn't somehow magically put the momentum back into the scene. It just removes the piss - but keeps all the different segments of the shoot - which are identical to every other shoot - the exact same and likewise lacking any energy.

Peeing did destroy what Gonzo and early Legalporno had going. Instead of shooting for the sky with outrageous shoots on beautiful sets with only the hottest porn-stars in the world - we instead got by-the-numbers identical sets with an increasing series of girls who looked like they'd taken too many drugs and had eaten too little food and that - hey - instead of blowing guys for ten bucks outside of the convenience store - make a small pay day by getting pee'd on.

Fucking depressing.

But ... yeah.

Pee'ing did ruin Legalporno/PB/AV. On so many levels. And nothing against the people who enjoy that stuff. They're entitled to enjoy what they want. But ... why they had to come here and do it is beyond fucking me. As is how the people running the site were so ready and willing to change the entire empire they had built up, toss it right into the trash, and then begin catering to a small subset of their customer base by then adding pissing into fucking everything that came out afterwards.

That's like a customer walking into a two-Michelin star restaurant and saying to the waiter, "You know what I want? A Big Mac. And you know what else? I want you to take a shit in it for me." And then - of all fucking things - the restaurants goes and does it. When everybody else, grossed out by this spectacle, goes for the exit, and the name of the place is ruined, the owners turn around and say, "Well, I guess on the plus side, we can shit in burgers for a small subset of people, so who needs to be known as a world-class restaurant, when you hand out turd-filled Big Macs instead?"

It's like ... you guys had the chance to be the World fucking leaders in porn. And you tossed that aside ... for this?

Fucking unreal.

I mean - really - no offence to the guy's who enjoy seeing people get pee'd on. Get yourself a a VPN and find the whole litany of sites out there where people are pissing and poo'ing on each other and fucking farm animals. It all kind of goes together at that point.

But why LegalPorno had to go that route is beyond me. Should have changed their name to LegalPee'ing.

'Cause - with the loss of momentum in the scenes - and the world of A++ porn-stars staying away from the place like it was cancer (whereas before they would have come here to launch their careers into the stratosphere - there's a reason Proxy Paige is so fucking well known) - the site did, literally and figuratively, piss itself away.

[Chimpy.677]

You said everything I was saying with my comments in this thread, the only difference is that you did it in a more "friendly" way.

Yeah - but having the discussion in a "friendly way" allows points to be brought up without the reasoning invariably returning to "it's gross and I hate it." Discussing the topic in a calm manner, I'm hoping, will bring people to both understand and realize that piss was horrible for the site in it's original intended purpose, and that both sides of the equation met each other in the middle without getting what either really wanted.

It's as you said - Gonzo was responsible for bringing a professional aesthetic to the DAP game - and in doing so, made actresses look insanely fucking hot whilst doing it. This was the ultimate industry lure to get amazingly hot actresses into DAP-breakin' scenes, because if they could look this hot whilst doing it, then they would most likely go from being "another performer" into someone whose name is widely known and synonymous with porn.

In other words, it would be a "leveling up" for their career that would bypass and make worth any ladder break they would do on the way. Exactly what DAP fans everywhere wanted. For DAP's ladder rung to be brought down from out of the stratosphere and made accessible to otherwise superhot performers that wouldn't, lacking Gonzo's professionalism, consider doing it.

Well, pissing ruined that. Because it was an admittance by the studio that, "Holy shit - you've got to be a freak to do DAP - I mean, the girl's that do drink a couple liters of piss beforehand."

Suddenly - DAP went from an end-of-the-line-but-ultimate-porn-act - to the beginning of complete gross-out porn. Everyone here is like, "Well then, what's next? Scat?" And - believe it or not - they're not wrong. You see ...

The people who "like pissing," are only ever getting the 1-on-1 pussy-only version of the field of porn they're into. They're at the starting point of complete gross-out porn that, unfortunately, has many more categories other than just scat. I mean - if you're drinking piss - isn't that just a warm up to eating shit? And, once you're done at the shit buffet, why don't you go fuck some animals? I mean ... gross-out porn isn't about porn so much as it's about pure degradation. The crossing of lines that no sane person would ever want to cross. It turns the act of porn into an exhibition of degradation. Where, really, porn itself has no place at the table anymore.

And you can see this in the scenes themselves! Everyone stops fucking. Gets super soft. And then takes a leak on the girl. All the energy in the scene goes right the fuck out of it. Not only this - these stops and gaps in the scenes themselves prohibit the energy of one section of the porn to extend to the other. Now, instead of five guys getting closer and closer to the girl as they're choking her on their cocks, only to pick her up, throw her onto the couch, turn her around, lock her arms behind her back, and then stick a gigantic cock up her ass while the other guy moves in immediately to insert his for the DAP breaking, you get ...

Everyone stops. The camera cuts out (the absolute fucking worst). Now everyone's standing around, and the girl's just kneeling there, smiling. And then the pee starts. And then it continues. And it keeps going. And she's just getting soaked, with her wet hair ruining any hotness she had. Then the pee stops. And then the scene cuts out again (fucking poison) - and now the girl, with damp hair, gets led to the couch where she will gently be DAP broken. It's like, the energy in the room is the same as having a fucking crumpet with your afternoon tea. It's fucking robbed.

And again - any synergy that could be exploited to make that scene it's own thing that's completely different from all the others just goes right the fuck out of the window. Now it's just fucking by numbers. This position. Then that position. Now another position. Bored yet? Great. Perfect time for some more pee. It's just such a ... fucking momentum breaker.

The worst is when they piss on her again at the end after the facial cumshots. Like, instead of the girl being used and tossed around and looking absolutely dumpster whorish by having huge gobs of cum covering her face, she instead looks like she just came out of the shower. With a chuckle and a smile for the ultimate boner fizzler.

As was stated - this making the scenes "wet" and "dry" doesn't somehow magically put the momentum back into the scene. It just removes the piss - but keeps all the different segments of the shoot - which are identical to every other shoot - the exact same and likewise lacking any energy.

Peeing did destroy what Gonzo and early Legalporno had going. Instead of shooting for the sky with outrageous shoots on beautiful sets with only the hottest porn-stars in the world - we instead got by-the-numbers identical sets with an increasing series of girls who looked like they'd taken too many drugs and had eaten too little food and that - hey - instead of blowing guys for ten bucks outside of the convenience store - make a small pay day by getting pee'd on.

Fucking depressing.

But ... yeah.

Pee'ing did ruin Legalporno/PB/AV. On so many levels. And nothing against the people who enjoy that stuff. They're entitled to enjoy what they want. But ... why they had to come here and do it is beyond fucking me. As is how the people running the site were so ready and willing to change the entire empire they had built up, toss it right into the trash, and then begin catering to a small subset of their customer base by then adding pissing into fucking everything that came out afterwards.

That's like a customer walking into a two-Michelin star restaurant and saying to the waiter, "You know what I want? A Big Mac. And you know what else? I want you to take a shit in it for me." And then - of all fucking things - the restaurants goes and does it. When everybody else, grossed out by this spectacle, goes for the exit, and the name of the place is ruined, the owners turn around and say, "Well, I guess on the plus side, we can shit in burgers for a small subset of people, so who needs to be known as a world-class restaurant, when you hand out turd-filled Big Macs instead?"

It's like ... you guys had the chance to be the World fucking leaders in porn. And you tossed that aside ... for this?

Fucking unreal.

I mean - really - no offence to the guy's who enjoy seeing people get pee'd on. Get yourself a a VPN and find the whole litany of sites out there where people are pissing and poo'ing on each other and fucking farm animals. It all kind of goes together at that point.

But why LegalPorno had to go that route is beyond me. Should have changed their name to LegalPee'ing.

'Cause - with the loss of momentum in the scenes - and the world of A++ porn-stars staying away from the place like it was cancer (whereas before they would have come here to launch their careers into the stratosphere - there's a reason Proxy Paige is so fucking well known) - the site did, literally and figuratively, piss itself away.

This is what I said more than 2 months ago in this post:

The problem with AV was always the users, never the studios:

https://forum.pornbox.com/viewtopic.php?f=96&t=88812

And everyone told me I was crazy, that I didn't understand anything, in the end we were all left with nothing because the most important studios closed down and the only studios left make extremely low quality material.
Basically what happened is that a small group of clients with some influence was making LP/AV go from being a traditional hardcore DP/DAP porn site to a niche site of filth with increasingly worse female models and always the same girls, obviously for the reasons stated above.

[trueEroskaven]

This site is totally locked cant see anything. Is it just re-releases of old movies? or new piss drinking movies?

That is weird, maybe you will need a VPN to access? at least I don't have any issues to access. Now the subscription is a little bit expensive for me ($43 monthly fee)
It has a mix of old releases and some new ones, now i haven't seen the latest ones.

[dap-addict]

It was the piss that killed LP/AV.

Just found a proof against your claim:
This is Ria Sunns 4th best selling scene after her Gonzo X-mas scenes and her DAPbreakin' of 2015, its the first and only time she takes 'piss' before retiring in Spring 2018: https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/33176 (sz1870)

Three ingredients for success: PISS, DAP & Chris Diamond!

[jjwhite1985]

It was the piss that killed LP/AV.

Just found a proof against your claim:
This is Ria Sunns 4th best selling scene after her Gonzo X-mas scenes and her DAPbreakin' of 2015, its the first and only time she takes 'piss' before retiring in Spring 2018: https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/33176 (sz1870)

Three ingredients for success: PISS, DAP & Chris Diamond!

It's amazing at this point. So many words to simply describe what they, personally, dislike in porn and claim that's the reason for LP's downward slump.

Think this through. Wet scenes are more challenging to produce, they're more expensive as models get a "wet bonus", and it limits the model pool as fewer are willing to do it. Not to mention set cleanup etc. Now ask yourself why they would continue to do this instead of making cheaper dry scenes if more people bought the latter anyway. Like any enterprise, studios are in the business of making money. Yours or my tastes don't matter to them, if something sells better then that's what they'll make. I know you shouldn't expect the most critical minds on a porn forum, by my god, engage your brains people.

And I say this as someone who isn't into piss and has wet scenes filtered out!

[House MD]

It was the piss that killed LP/AV.

Just found a proof against your claim:
This is Ria Sunns 4th best selling scene after her Gonzo X-mas scenes and her DAPbreakin' of 2015, its the first and only time she takes 'piss' before retiring in Spring 2018: https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/33176 (sz1870)

Three ingredients for success: PISS, DAP & Chris Diamond!

I don't get it
Ria Sunn was way better than following her come-back
Same applies to Blanche Bradburry and Isabella Clark
Before Analpiss era (during Legalporno), their sex scenes were always extreme, infallibly intense and rough
Piss tamed their scenes putting the focus away from sex... away from ass slaming balls, 2 dicks inside a pussy, etc. to sliding in pee puddle and drinking pee in beer pints
Piss disrupted sex momentum big time, making scenes slow motion, lousy and cut-off

The reason Giorgio is the worst porn director in History is because his obsession with piss destroyed the hottest thing in porn: SEX

His scenes explain it all:
1. GIO and Gonzo scenes have died ending video shoots not with the money-shot, anymore (historically jizzing in a chicks mouth), but with pee drinking - The reason Giorgio Grandi shifted the money-shot from cuming in an actress to watching her drinking pee or getting bored under a golden shower IS WHY GIORGIO GRANDI IS THE WORLD'S HISTORICALLY WORST PORN PRODUCER
2. Even blowjobs are replaced by piss: often times on Analpiss the amount of rough BJ scenes are reduced to nothing being replaced by piss
3. the worst and most irritating outrage though is when Giorgio rinses away cum inside an actress' mouth by filming dicks peeing and washing away sperm: anybody blaspheming the money-shot / swallowing deserves ZERO respect plus a vicious knock in the teeth

Today Giorgio actors get injected in their limp dicks just to be able to pee while maintaining wood. No wonder there is ZERO passion, zero energy and exressions of absolute bore in Analpiss scenes

So in which universe do Ria Sunn's lame piss-infested Analpiss scenes fare better than her epic LP scenes???

[dap-addict]

So in which universe do Ria Sunn's lame piss-infested Analpiss scenes fare better than her epic LP scenes???

In the universe of sales.
I am not even a piss fan, never wanted it, just had got used to it in order to still enjoy the girls from pre-piss area. But with piss also Ria Sunn sold better than without. Go to the sales ranking and check 2015-2018 for her and you see it yourself!