The End of Legalporno?

[Jynxlopez91]

End.

Don't tell me sweetheart. If it's true that's a horrible News.

[Pboxer88]

End.

Oh no! Why?

[magizi87]

Next week I will shoot a scene using a different payout system (for the girl only): 0$ payout and 50% revenueshare on profit, lifetime
The scene will have a price in ticket well below the average of last months. Lets see how it will go.

I don't like this.

Because it could be abused very easily.
If a scene tanks. Performers don't get paid?????
How could they know factually if a scene is doing good or not?

This sounds horrible the more I think about it.

I think it would be better with the normal system of paying the performers upfront,
and reward with a percentage of the profits based on merits.

For example if a model arrives on set, on time, with some sort
of planned/practiced choreography for a sexy dance or strip-tease to
start the movie, twerks her booty when she is being DPed or DAP,
sucks cock passionately, the male anchor, ACTUALLY fucks the lady,

in other words, PERFORMERS, displaying passion and enthusiasm,
they should be rewarded with additional profits and those actors and models who,
just show for the paycheck should be eventually discarded.

Seriously, if you make movies good again, and somehow manage to get camerawork that
doesn't look like is complete VOMIT, lol, people wont mind the asking price,
AS MUCH, because EVERYTHING is judged based between the relationship of price and quality.

If your movies were somehow profitable at a retail price of 1 TKT,
you wouldn't get as much HEAT in the form of criticism, because it's cheap,
but if movies are expensive and also, CRAPPY, well everyone loses their mind.

[bake0213]

add: This said of course fees got higher compared to 2015. And so did all other base costs. Travel expenses got higher, especially for Russian girls flying in via Dubai or Istanbul.
But fees are actually getting under pressure again with many studios, I heard that even US girls working in Europe are asked to work for less than in 2022.

This is not true. in fact the american girls are still profitable even with high payout: the reason is because american models has mostly american fans, this makes the difference.

The main issue is on euro models, payout grown too much in the "covid bubble" and now it is decreasing.
Next week I will shoot a scene using a different payout system (for the girl only): 0$ payout and 50% revenueshare on profit, lifetime
The scene will have a price in ticket well below the average of last months. Lets see how it will go.

I'm serious curious to see how this business plan plays out. I wonder home many models will be ok with a more entrepreneurial pay scale as opposed to what could be larger or smaller pay over time.

[visigoth2020260]

Does the model receive the initial payment?
50/50 follows.
Magizi87 observed numerous negative consequences of GG's new payment plan, however.
I can anticipate situations in which many girls are present at once, as well as girls who are ready to please at all costs and who give it all they've got.
Master GG will now be able to create more complex plots.
The whores will try their hardest, and GG can get more extreme, in my opinion, making it a win-win situation.
lets see.

[Giorgio Grandi]

Next week I will shoot a scene using a different payout system (for the girl only): 0$ payout and 50% revenueshare on profit, lifetime
The scene will have a price in ticket well below the average of last months. Lets see how it will go.

I don't like this.

Because it could be abused very easily.
If a scene tanks. Performers don't get paid?????
How could they know factually if a scene is doing good or not?

This sounds horrible the more I think about it.

I think it would be better with the normal system of paying the performers upfront,
and reward with a percentage of the profits based on merits.

For example if a model arrives on set, on time, with some sort
of planned/practiced choreography for a sexy dance or strip-tease to
start the movie, twerks her booty when she is being DPed or DAP,
sucks cock passionately, the male anchor, ACTUALLY fucks the lady,

in other words, PERFORMERS, displaying passion and enthusiasm,
they should be rewarded with additional profits and those actors and models who,
just show for the paycheck should be eventually discarded.

Seriously, if you make movies good again, and somehow manage to get camerawork that
doesn't look like is complete VOMIT, lol, people wont mind the asking price,
AS MUCH, because EVERYTHING is judged based between the relationship of price and quality.

If your movies were somehow profitable at a retail price of 1 TKT,
you wouldn't get as much HEAT in the form of criticism, because it's cheap,
but if movies are expensive and also, CRAPPY, well everyone loses their mind.

- The technology to share a % of profit (or turnover) with a model is already available into our control panel at sheer/pornbox and can eventually be implemented also into my accounting software. So there are all the tools to have proper calculations. It needs to be arranged but the tools is usable and the system doable
- The "passion" of a model is a subjective factor, who decide if a model is more or less sensual? What counts are the numbers (turnover - production cost = profit). If we also assume a "sensual" model sells better, so the turnover increase and so her profit

There are many models that are willing to work for very low payout because they need to be "exposed" to the audience much more than actually get an high paycheck. This is because they rely on the exposure provided from the content to expand their other business business (escorting, self-production, etc).

[Flylandz]

Master Giorgio , more choked out girls pls =D

[magizi87]

- The technology to share a % of profit (or turnover) with a model is already available into our control panel at sheer/pornbox and can eventually be implemented also into my accounting software. So there are all the tools to have proper calculations. It needs to be arranged but the tools is usable and the system doable

That's cool

- The "passion" of a model is a subjective factor, who decide if a model is more or less sensual? What counts are the numbers (turnover - production cost = profit). If we also assume a "sensual" model sells better, so the turnover increase and so her profit

Even if passion is subjective, you're the judge. It would be a standard, that you alone set.
Or forget the merits and just tell the perfomers if the scenes crosses a monetary threshold,
"I share a porcentage of the profits with you, for lifetime" and that might
naturally translate to a better movie. WHO KNOWS.

Me, as a user, all I'm thinking is:

is movie good? yes or no, asking price affordable? yes or no
Back in 2020 when I stopped buying scenes from LP, it was because of the realization of two things:

ONE, of my 45 minutes of action per Giorgio Grandi scene, I realized that the content that I
actually appreciated and enjoyed was about 6 mins of the movie.
This was the era of DAP only positions. I don't like DAP and IMO
the male actors of back then, almost never did an "OK" looking DAP
to me, it all looked like "pretending to DAP a woman"
and again, DAP was already a hard sell for me.

I was like, not only do I dislike DAP, "this DAP" is completely mediocre.

SECOND, the explosion of pissing scenes and DAP only movies, just made me quit.

in my eyes the DAP and pissing replaced the content that I enjoyed.
I felt replaced to a different type of fan.

There are many models that are willing to work for very low payout because they need to be "exposed" to the audience much more than actually get an high paycheck. This is because they rely on the exposure provided from the content to expand their other business business (escorting, self-production, etc).

My thinking is, that if a woman is willing to work for a "low price",
she's probably not hot enough for me to even look at the trailer, lol.
and for you, if all she wants is exposure, for her only fans and escort service,
sounds like she wont stay around for you either.

Which is also bad for me, because I want women as beautiful as Nicole Black
staying in the porn business long enough to be able to do scenes in the level of a Veronica Avluv
without DAP and pissing. haha, I know this is asking for a lot. XD

But I recognize is your business and you probably already weighted the pros and cons
and you are the one risking the capital, I wish you good luck.

[visigoth2020260]

models are made by the director.
there is much more to porn than
a beautiful face or body.
so are heavenly models made
unwatchable by the producer?

the girls you have mentioned aren't my type.
I am not interested in them but if they perform
well and the c, man, and director capture the scene
in extraordinary ways then they are to be owned.

Everyone has distinct preferences.
GG will provide his best effort and let the first-lifetime income model get the upper hand in the scene.
Imagine a runway of models in the style of GGG Thompson; the models will receive free Facetime. I can picture the GG studio being filled with models.
He was dead on when he predicted that the scenarios involving the two models would occur less frequently as the appearance of the three or five models was approaching.

It was excellent news for the competition as they started their two female scenes right away, but guess what, M, GG is going to put yall back in check.



What a beautiful scene this is. Basined, Syren De Mer, 7on1, ATM, DAP, Big Gapes, Pee Drink, Pee Shower, Cum in Mouth, Swallow GIO2549
I'm creating a music video for it because it is so fantastic. I'm no expert, but I'm learning through observation.
Yes, I'm making yet another trailer, but with my unique twist.
hope everyone likes it.

[Jynxlopez91]

models are made by the director.
there is much more to porn than
a beautiful face or body.
so are heavenly models made
unwatchable by the producer?

the girls you have mentioned aren't my type.
I am not interested in them but if they perform
well and the c, man, and director capture the scene
in extraordinary ways then they are to be owned.

Everyone has distinct preferences.
GG will provide his best effort and let the first-lifetime income model get the upper hand in the scene.
Imagine a runway of models in the style of GGG Thompson; the models will receive free Facetime. I can picture the GG studio being filled with models.
He was dead on when he predicted that the scenarios involving the two models would occur less frequently as the appearance of the three or five models was approaching.

It was excellent news for the competition as they started their two female scenes right away, but guess what, M, GG is going to put yall back in check.



What a beautiful scene this is. Basined, Syren De Mer, 7on1, ATM, DAP, Big Gapes, Pee Drink, Pee Shower, Cum in Mouth, Swallow GIO2549
I'm creating a music video for it because it is so fantastic. I'm no expert, but I'm learning through observation.
Yes, I'm making yet another trailer, but with my unique twist.
hope everyone likes it.

I appreciate your analysis you're right. Where can we watch your music video?

[visigoth2020260]

https://www.xvideos.com/video77748075/s ... usic_video
enjoy.

[Jynxlopez91]

https://www.xvideos.com/video77748075/syren_de_mer_music_video
enjoy.

Thanks alot my friend

[ArcanaCaelestia]

It is not that GIO/Gonzo declined so much as NRX and Natasha Teen videos vastly surpassed them in content quality. More so later studies can get the most pretty and hottest models and there are always plenty of newcomers keeping the intrigue and interest. They should really try harder to get some fresh models.For example Mell Blanco shoot a ton of great scenes for AGO, but nothing for GIO/Gonzo? How come?

[visigoth2020260]

WTF?
John was a young aspiring filmmaker who had just been accepted into a prestigious film school. He was so excited to be accepted and was eager to learn all he could about the industry.

One day, John decided to post a message on a popular filmmaking forum. He wanted to share his enthusiasm for the craft and let other filmmakers know about his acceptance. Unfortunately, he didn't realize that some of the producers of the projects he was discussing were members of the forum as well.

John's post was filled with criticism of the projects these producers were working on. He thought he was being helpful by pointing out any flaws he saw, but the producers weren't at all pleased with his comments. They felt uncomfortable and upset, and they quickly let John know how they felt.

John was horrified by his mistake and quickly apologized. He admitted that he hadn't realized the producers were part of the forum, and he promised to use better judgment in the future.

The producers accepted his apology but warned him not to make the same mistake again. They reminded him that he should always be mindful of who might be reading his posts, as it could affect his career.

John was embarrassed but thankful for the producers' advice. He vowed to be more careful in the future and to think twice before posting anything online.
I hope you get it.
that is not nice.
I already reported it.
Don't even talk to me if that's how you plan to act.
you ruined my video debut by associating my work with your nonsense.

[oooppp]

Agree with the posts on the high prices. And a lot of crappy content. I block most of them. Is the site down now?

[pastaga]

Porn is way too cheap (since too many years)

Internet changed the porn world. Now no need to buy physical supports. Now there's a lot of free porn. Now everybody can publish his own.
I don't see any reason expensive porn could work anymore.

[visigoth2020260]

Porn is way too cheap (since too many years)

Internet changed the porn world. Now no need to buy physical supports. Now there's a lot of free porn. Now everybody can publish his own.
I don't see any reason expensive porn could work anymore.

Certainly, but the target market should be the thousands of wealthy people who desire unique items that aren't offered anyplace else.
And competing for low-end clients by creating what everyone else is producing won't get you anywhere.
Sal, or The 120 Days of Sodom, affluent people have strange tastes https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sal%C3%B2 ... s_of_Sodom If any of you have not seen it, I urge you to do so so that we may all learn what the high-class tastes are like. This recommendation extends to Master GG.

I'm rich in taste but poor in cash. What gives?

There is certainly a lot of free porn. I'm talking about garbage, and the viewers' hearts have become more inflexible and their desires have reached new heights of satisfaction.
It is clear that other routes must be persuaded.
GG is moving along that path.
I must see the models running in despair with drones following from high above.

With his plots, GG is evolving and moving in the correct path.

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I Spit On Your Grave (1978).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkCTSn8gcL4

[pastaga]

High classes and rich people prefer escort services over porn.
Do you see how much russian ladies travel to Dubaï lately ?

[pastaga]

Otherwise for those who want sur-mesure porn, there's the scene funding option.
I wonder how much orders Gio has accepted since it exists.

[maxymax]

Best news of the year if Giorgio Grandi studio ends bankrupt

May I ask why?

[davebowman]

The main issue is on euro models, payout grown too much in the "covid bubble" and now it is decreasing.
Next week I will shoot a scene using a different payout system (for the girl only): 0$ payout and 50% revenueshare on profit, lifetime
The scene will have a price in ticket well below the average of last months. Lets see how it will go.

Sounds interesting. I'm afraid I've gone from someone who used to buy loads of your scenes, to hardly any. At an average of 14 tickets for a scene (plus a 20% tax surcharge on top of that) I've simply been priced out of the market. When scenes only 3 years ago were closer to being an average of 6 tickets each, something somewhere has gone severely wrong.

[Seraph0257]

There is a 20 min scene released today for 90 tickets. 90?? 90 TICKETS??? I'm starting to think this site is being used for money laundering.

[pastaga]

I'm pretty sure you can find super expensive scenes on sites like M@nyv1ds too.
But their scene browser is done better and doesn't ask to hide new creators everyday.
(Don't tell me about the feed tab it doesn't display half the scenes it should but display others and I don't want to try something on it ever again. Maybe if it was a "reset parameters" button somewhere...)

[visigoth2020260]

is that some people genuinely dislike GG and are rooting for his misfortune.
He is the best porn producer on the planet, offering things you've never seen before, innovative, and eager to deliver far more than the negativity he encounters at every turn. Only producers or big shots, as the others believe themselves to be, won't even say a fuck off to the fans out of self-importance. Not GG, who communicates, listens, considers your critiques and suggestions, and puts them to his work without needing to, those are the scumbags that need to be hunted down.
Stop hating on this fine man; if anything is happening, I'm sure he'll come out on top since he's prudent, not a hatefuck as you haters are.

Yes, scenes can be a little expensive for average consumers, but he is working to change that as well because he knows that everyone needs and desires his scenes. What else do you know about the other fucks besides what you see on screen—a legless model, a tilting, a half-to-fourth body view, a footwear chop, bad angles, and all to no hope—because in their egos they will not listen to anyone or consider the unending fan requests for them to change their attitudes—I mean, their vision—despite being given all the information possible and still acting as though they are infallible.
A/V is GG, GG is A/V, and every other studio subsists on his notoriety.

Affluent consumers amass all kinds of goods, and I have no doubt that when they host expensive sex parties, GG scenes are on their TVs to serve as an inspiration and to encourage the call girls to act without reservation. All situations, including yours, are conceivable among the billions of people on the planet. There must be a lot of business people who are eager to buy some of GG's firm shares and want a piece of his business.

In addition, I find it incomprehensible that GG, with thousands of fans from all walks of life, cannot attract between 1000 and 4,000 customers per day.
The models are going to run if necessary, and he will survive anyway.

Additionally, everyone is doing it, so free porn, bad porn, and gonzo porn are no longer profitable as it once was.
I support old-school, sleazy, sexploitation porn plots because of this.
Fucking with a purpose to captivate and immerse the audience from beginning to end.
Imagine what GG will be able to accomplish with his opulent, one-of-a-kind hardcore porn, equipment, and the massive amount of knowledge at his fingertips. Mario Salieri is the best story creator on the face of this planet. GG will be the best too.

So that you haters can continue to criticize and speculate about how his end will be, here is something. enjoy it is free.
Be critical, but do not be hateful.
https://www.xvideos.com/video77782863/l ... ow_gio2524

[pastaga]

Problem with GIO is that both models, prices and scenes variety were better 4 years ago...

[pomegrante]

There is a 20 min scene released today for 90 tickets. 90?? 90 TICKETS??? I'm starting to think this site is being used for money laundering.

There is another one released today that's even more ridiculous & obscene , 90+ tickets for a 8 minute scene

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[pastaga]

They probably expect one sale by mistake...

[visigoth2020260]

Problem with GIO is that both models, prices and scenes variety were better 4 years ago...

I'm sorry, Mr. Pastaga As M, GG has been on the path of innovation since his early days, I believe you are mistaken. You are only being sentimental.

lighting
studs
action
camera handling
plots
piss
and a great deal of other things have improved.
The cost has changed, but so have all aspects of daily living.
We all want the scenes to be cheap, but to make that happen, our studs would have to go without food.
They have a similar urge to eat as we do, and food is very expensive. 20 years ago, anything that cost 99 cents today costs $5,99 or more, yet earnings have barely increased.
Nevertheless, there's no need to give up because M, GG is searching for methods to reduce the cost without harming anyone.

That 99 Tk scenes must be an error, but some fucks will spend that much, and the studio now only needs 20 customers to turn a profit.
It is a valance that one must slant in his or her favor.

When someone wants a whore, he will do anything to get his hands on her goods, his intellect will shut down, and he will behave recklessly.
These johns are identifiable to the studios, who can then target them.

[Jynxlopez91]

Problem with GIO is that both models, prices and scenes variety were better 4 years ago...

I'm sorry, Mr. Pastaga As M, GG has been on the path of innovation since his early days, I believe you are mistaken. You are only being sentimental.

lighting
studs
action
camera handling
plots
piss
and a great deal of other things have improved.
The cost has changed, but so have all aspects of daily living.
We all want the scenes to be cheap, but to make that happen, our studs would have to go without food.
They have a similar urge to eat as we do, and food is very expensive. 20 years ago, anything that cost 99 cents today costs $5,99 or more, yet earnings have barely increased.
Nevertheless, there's no need to give up because M, GG is searching for methods to reduce the cost without harming anyone.

That 99 Tk scenes must be an error, but some fucks will spend that much, and the studio now only needs 20 customers to turn a profit.
It is a valance that one must slant in his or her favor.

When someone wants a whore, he will do anything to get his hands on her goods, his intellect will shut down, and he will behave recklessly.
These johns are identifiable to the studios, who can then target them.

Suggestions for improvement of GG & Gonzo Scenes

The beauty of the GG & Gonzo is there Gangbang, DAP, Piss, orgy scenes, and i never want them to discontinue that. This is the unique signature of this porn platform.

But the thing is new and different ideas should be added to future scenes, like
1: Different Costume (Nun, Hijab, Nurse, Maid, Vintage etc etc)
2: Wearing different type of out fit like coloured one not the black one all the time (Stockings, fishnet, lingeries, latex)
3: High heels with different colours.
4: Add a story line to the scenes like (wife swap, Girlfriend gangbang, Swingers party orgy, Muslim Vs Christian)
5: There is less communication and talking between male & Female performers during the scene, so DIRTY TALKING SHOULD BE ADDED (Dirty Dialogue frequently saying during the scene should have greater impact)
6: At least 2 on 2 or Orgy scene per week should be realesed (in recent year i observer 2 on 2 and Group scene is less produced)
7: Cum swapping should be mandatory for the 2 or more then 2 female performers.
8: New tall, White skin performers should be introduced like in the past (Example Timea bella, Linda sweet, Tina kay, belle claire, olivia devine, Crystal green ville)

Everyone has right to disagree with me but this is my observation for the betterment of our beloved studios GG & Gonzo.
Hope Master GG read my suggestion and give me some reply about that, what's he's thinking about this.

THANKS ALOT

[davebowman]

There is a 20 min scene released today for 90 tickets. 90?? 90 TICKETS??? I'm starting to think this site is being used for money laundering.

There is another one released today that's even more ridiculous & obscene , 90+ tickets for a 8 minute scene

Yeah that's bad - at the other extreme how about a 15 second scene for 1.8 tickets? https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/479584
Again, I think they are hoping a few people just accidentally click 'buy' on this stuff.

[pastaga]

As all the pornbox material is also on Sheer, I think these creators just want to sell it on Sheer and not here.

[pastaga]

Problem with GIO is that both models, prices and scenes variety were better 4 years ago...

I'm sorry, Mr. Pastaga As M, GG has been on the path of innovation since his early days, I believe you are mistaken. You are only being sentimental.

lighting
studs
action
camera handling
plots
piss
and a great deal of other things have improved.
The cost has changed, but so have all aspects of daily living.
We all want the scenes to be cheap, but to make that happen, our studs would have to go without food.
They have a similar urge to eat as we do, and food is very expensive. 20 years ago, anything that cost 99 cents today costs $5,99 or more, yet earnings have barely increased.
Nevertheless, there's no need to give up because M, GG is searching for methods to reduce the cost without harming anyone.

A solution could be to reduce the quantity of porn produced. I would be happy to see only 3 scenes a week but focused on high potential action and models.
Also mutualizing the studios would help. Both Gonzo, GIO and AGO just use white rooms so no need to have 3 different places.

And here are some GIO scenes that make me say it was better back in the days (not 4 but 7 years ago, time flies !) :
https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/32862
https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/32073
https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/31847
https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/33108
https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/32616

[petermc934]

Which is also bad for me, because I want women as beautiful as Nicole Black
staying in the porn business long enough to be able to do scenes in the level of a Veronica Avluv
without DAP and pissing. haha, I know this is asking for a lot.

If you want to see beautiful girls in scenes without DAP and without pissing, there’s literally thousands of websites/movies that cater for this. The USP of this site is the piss content, rough sex and DAP gangbangs. I’m not into DAP either, I’m just here mainly for the piss content. I’d be happy without the multiple penetrations, just anal, pissing, puking and rough sex/face slapping. Lots of others though want the crazy penetrations.

[petermc934]

As all the pornbox material is also on Sheer, I think these creators just want to sell it on Sheer and not here.

I think it’s more the other way around. Everything on Sheer now appears on pornbox. So, if a girl puts up some extreme scene on Sheer and wants to charge a high premium for it, it will have a high ticket price on Pornbox.

[magizi87]

If you want to see beautiful girls in scenes without DAP and without pissing, there’s literally thousands of websites/movies that cater for this. The USP of this site is the piss content, rough sex and DAP gangbangs. I’m not into DAP either, I’m just here mainly for the piss content. I’d be happy without the multiple penetrations, just anal, pissing, puking and rough sex/face slapping. Lots of others though want the crazy penetrations.

You and me remember Legalporno VERY differently.

To me Legalporno, was a scenes were very beautiful women
were thrown into a ring, to is a way, wrestle the best male actors in the world,
best in terms of size and skill.

Charlie, Chris Diamond, Ed Junior, Nacho, Kid, Mike Chapman, Mike Angelo, ETC, ETC

With women who were effortlessly watchable like Lita, Blanche, Amirah, Nikita, etc, etc, etc.

Analvids has very few male actors I would call stars and women
are just not as good looking anymore.

The fact that Legalporno were also doing gangbangs and foursomes
that includes but is not limited to DAP and Pissing, was not
it's competitive edge for me, it was the intangible amazing spectacle of the scenes.

[Jynxlopez91]

If you want to see beautiful girls in scenes without DAP and without pissing, there’s literally thousands of websites/movies that cater for this. The USP of this site is the piss content, rough sex and DAP gangbangs. I’m not into DAP either, I’m just here mainly for the piss content. I’d be happy without the multiple penetrations, just anal, pissing, puking and rough sex/face slapping. Lots of others though want the crazy penetrations.

You and me remember Legalporno VERY differently.

To me Legalporno, was a scenes were very beautiful women
were thrown into a ring, to is a way, wrestle the best male actors in the world,
best in terms of size and skill.

Charlie, Chris Diamond, Ed Junior, Nacho, Kid, Mike Chapman, Mike Angelo, ETC, ETC

With women who were effortlessly watchable like Lita, Blanche, Amirah, Nikita, etc, etc, etc.

Analvids has very few male actors I would call stars and women
are just not as good looking anymore.

The fact that Legalporno were also doing gangbangs and foursomes
that includes but is not limited to DAP and Pissing, was not
it's competitive edge for me, it was the intangible amazing spectacle of the scenes.

The truth has been spoken

[YuriyProneBone]

Wasn't Legal Porno first in Saint Petersburg then forced to go to Prague. This could be the source of the issue. We know Russia has a pipeline of fresh hotties every year. I have LP videos shot in Prague where Mr. Anderson was in them. So obviously the quality of woman was good. Mr. Anderson means quality of woman. Same thing we see now with Nick Rock, Valter Karo, Erika Korti, Vira Gold. It is normal for them to have hotties.

So my guess is that as time passed by it was inevitable that the streamline connections with Russian producers and Russian suppliers, scouts from all over Eastern Europe working with Russian agencies was going to diminish.

So the distancing from St. Petersburg to Prague over time could be the reason of the diminished quality.

Now AnalVids is closer to a studio from Italy or Spain than it is from a studio in Russia, and we all know how Italian and Spanish studios have always been historically. Not very different to what we see in AnalVids now. They just kept the anal, but slowly became something else.

To be fair golden showers have always been staple for Russian scores, the same thing with anal rimming, and of course anal.

They lost some of the rimming, and just expanded on the golden showers, and added the factor of Spanish gangbangs to the equation.

To be fair the top hotties from LP were Czech, they were young, it was just a different time, but that is not excuse because Russian studios still have that type of outcome.

LP had the best mix of Western Europe porn meeting Eastern Europe porn. So basically big dicks and hotties, but as time pass by they distance themselves more and more from those Russian beginnings losing that aesthetic side of it, and youthful output.

Also producers are not the ones responsible for free thinking girls getting tattoos, that's more a problem of naive social conditioning from the environments they are in coercing them to think is cool when it clearly diminishes their value or class. Which is something they already stand against, so there is no much producers can do about that.

[backflipman]

I don't know if legalporno itself was in St. Petersburg but I know there was a time where a lot of scenes were produced there by Gio, Omar Galanti, Rocco. To me it always felt like the main studio was the Sineplex line. The Sineplex "classic" stuff was originally dvd released material mostly directed by Jay Sin and most of it was produced in Russia. Then for a short time Eviluationplex and later there was the Sineplex CZ studio, so this was based in czech already I think but also, because the production of porn in russia was prohibited, but I feel like with a stronger aim towards non-russian producers. Sineplex CZ featured a lot of russian models as well but of course studios like NRX weren't existing at that time and of course the political situation wasn't as tense as it is today. Then there was some drama about models not being payed and the main studio was shut down or taken over by another studio.

I also believe that shady business from "agencies" or people like Pierre Woodman genuinely over time made porn much less attractive for potential models. While also camsites were rising and girls could just work from home and later some people started opening studios for models to perform on camsites.
Yet some camgirls would probably do porn shoots as well, but I believe they have to be actively contacted, I don't think any porn producer does that.

Nowadays the russian model pool isn't much accessible for the CZ studios, but of course there some exceptions of models doing scenes after they already did scenes for the russian studios though.

Then of course the whole financial situation is different. The studios have to work on their own and invest their own money, there is no company as a backup for some money in advance to create a scene or to compensate some losses. So there is traveling expenses, models rightfully asking for more money (because everything is more expensive of course they need to earn more), studio rent, equipment cost, makeup artists, outfits, video editing and post processing, etc. all done and organised by one person or a small group of people, instead of a company.

I am not sure if the person who owns AVLP and Xvideos and ultimately sheer does any investments or just "owns" the sites keeps them running and takes his share. Also he is more of a business person than a porn company owner or producer. The best would be for all Studios having the opportunity to work together instead of working against each other or competing even though they are under the same roof. Imagine the russian newbies in Gio studio or the talented south american male talent ,latinas getting roughed up by the russian crew and so on and on. Of course it partly happens but still limited though.

At least from a customer perspective that would maybe give some more quality and variation. As well as studios the freedom to not produce the main "scene" that is common on this site nowadays because they just need sales. It would take a lot of pressure from the studios as well, but it probably would not have enough space for all the "small" studios though.

[otto1219]

By this point who really cares is Av/LP is dying or dead? Hasn't it collapsed of its own weight a while back?
Whatever "quality" first drew people here has, sadly, long since gone, and that's very unfortunate.

Common lousy camera work, cookie cutter scripts, position changes every 20 seconds, acrobatic positions, gratuitous fetishes, the misogyny of the male "talent," 0% pussy, tattoos, old women with a "few extra pounds" and cellulite, piercings, all those are different and distinct from the golden age of LP. During that time almost all girls were cute, pretty and had an air of innocence; there was no face slapping, no spitting, no "definitive list of puke scenes," you get the idea. No one just fucks anymore, pussy or ass. Unlike today, the girls were actually "pleasured."
Many have for a few years now tried constructive criticism about the above, without effect.

I, like many, prefer my porn without vomit, without spit, slapping an ass is more than enough, and I prefer my girls to not look like they just emerged from The Fun House at a Meth Circus.
This is an exaggeration, of course, but gone are the Lola Taylors, the Timea Bellas, the Bree Hazes, the Belle Clairs, the Selvaggias, the Kitana Lures, the Arwen Golds, the Linda Sweets, the Angel Smalls, all of those with thin curvy bods, few if any tats, no piercings and no guy dropping spit into the girl's open mouth.

Free sites have gotten too good and too numerous, why bother with the crappy way overpriced stuff here. Most of the offerings, now mostly Latin, are really bad with unattractive women, often fat, gay stuff, tranny stuff. Really? I finally pulled the plug on checking this place daily when I had the unfortunate occasion to see previews of a post op trans gender "female" getting railed. Who wants to see this freak show?
Porn has always been around and will always be around. There is quality outside of this site. If this site folded tomorrow, porn would go on and be just fine.

[magizi87]

I was reading the terms of service for content creators.

It's surprisingly simple and short.

Now I understand why Analvids feels the way it does.

There is no effort to steer the creators into any particular direction,
there is no vision statement. Analvids is aimless and the closest
resemble of quality control is a recommendation to film videos in 4K, lol.

Anyways. It vaguely explains that content creators with exclusive content,
get 90% of the sales. So I did some math to try to understand what is offering.

As an user I checked the pricing for subscriptions and whatnot and came to the conclusion that
1 TKT is roughly $0.55 cents (US dollars).

And if this is true, presumably, for a scene to make $14,000 US Dollars,
just some random number I pulled out of my imagination
at a price of sale of 4 TKT, it would need to sell 7070'ish copies.

Because if I were to hypothetically offer a new original scene at 4 TKT, it means
it would make $2.20, each TKT valued at $0.55, but 10% of the sale
would go to Analvids, meaning that $1.98 would go to the "content creator".

So, $1.98 per copy, selling 7070 copies gets me $14,000 US Dollaryduds.

I couldn't find anywhere any statistics as to how many users the website actually have
or whats the percentage of users who actually buy stuff as opposed to just browse it
or any information that any regular site, who wants investors capital would provide.

So judging how hard or easy this is to accomplish is a complete mystery.

With that out of they way I have one question for Giorgio, if you would kindly answer

Imagine a scene with May Thai, OR Nicole Black, OR Cindy Shine
and the male actors, include Mike Chapman AND Dylan Brown,
The sex is vaginal, anal and oral, it would be in the rough sex territory,
but don't think "used and abused" that's too UNAPPEALING. lol

-It would include two DP positions, Doggy and Cowgirl. As the "set pieces"
Doggy spitroasted style, for ass to mouth. "as Auxiliary parts"
Ass to pussy whenever possible.
Lots of oral sex between positions, preferably messy
with saliva spilling out and a bit of eye tearing,
a bit of hair-pulling, spanking and choking.

Think of children playing rough and tumble
but elevated to, adult level.
it's rough sex, but the woman is having fun.

If the sex doesn't feel like a game, they are doing it wrong.

I can put some gifs as to how I imagine it.

You would be holding the camera, looking at the big picture,
wide takes, full body angles, from the side or the front of the woman
and your other director would be zero-in, looking only at the ass of babe, up close.

No dutch angles tho

How much money do you want to make this happen?,
to cover your profit, makeup, outfit, model, actors, std testing, I dunno what else,
You're the expert. You tell me.