"Black Meat Matter" - really?

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"Black Meat Matter" - really?

Postby TheVulture » Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:16 am

Oh my. You've just billed the latest Silvia Soprano scene as "Black Meat Matter" (?) I'm guessing a slight typo and you mean "Black Meat Matters".

Are you really sure about this? Did you think it through? Is it really a good idea to trivialise such an important movement (ie Black Lives Matter) in this way?

More to the point, what do the male actors involved think about this? Were they consulted? How can they seriously take part in these scenes? Does it not leave a bad taste in their mouths?

I will definitely not be buying any scene labelled this way out of principle. The title is deeply offensive. You really should drop it.
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Re: "Black Meat Matter" - really?

Postby Pineapples Studio » Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:28 am

This really belongs in Giorgio’s studio forum since he is the person who chose the title.

I think it’s a bad idea overall to bring politics into porn. I defend the right to free speech, so I do not advocate censorship of the title by any means. Studios should be allowed to call their scenes whatever they like, within the bounds of the law. Porn has always had a give-and-take relationship with the concept of good taste. At the same time, I agree that this is pretty tone-deaf. Not really sure what you’re going for with this, Giorgio, but you’re potentially limiting your customer base as this thread has made apparent. It’s hard to know where “the line” is sometimes, but for some people, this certainly crosses it. I’ll be honest, though, it wouldn’t prevent me from purchasing the scene if I was otherwise interested.

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Re: "Black Meat Matter" - really?

Postby TheVulture » Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:31 am

Mister Ananas wrote:This really belongs in Giorgio’s studio forum since he is the person who chose the title.

I think it’s a pretty bad idea to bring politics into porn. I stand in defense of the right to free speech, so I do not advocate censorship of the title by any means. Studios should be allowed to do whatever they like within the bounds of the law. At the same time, I agree that this is pretty tone-deaf. Not really sure what you’re going for with this, Giorgio, but you’re potentially limiting your customer base. I’ll be honest, though, it wouldn’t prevent me from purchasing the scene if I was otherwise interested.


It's not about censorship, just sensitivity. Giorgio must realise that the Black Lives Matter movement is an important one and that as a white guy he has to handle such an issue with great care. I am very intrigued as to what the male actors themselves think about this and whether they were consulted. I find it hard to believe that they would approve of the title.

It's basically a very cheap and unnecessary tactic and Giorgio deserves to get a lot of flak for it.
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Re: "Black Meat Matter" - really?

Postby Pineapples Studio » Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:41 am

I agree that it is tone-deaf. However, as long as the performers don’t have a problem with it, I don’t think “the line” has been crossed here. I’d hate for a politically-active performer to find themselves stuck in a scene called “Black Meat Matters” if they believe the title misrepresents their feelings about that issue.

I’m sure it’s tongue-in-cheek and not intended to be racist. Your mileage may vary on whether that is a sufficient explanation.

And with that, I’ll see myself out… I’m gonna “nope” out of diving any further into politics.

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Postby davebowman » Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:37 am

In my opinion, porn is the one area that should be free of any political correctness, or anything approaching 'good taste'. I find the idea of someone finding something like this 'deeply offensive' in a video featuring girls getting pounded in the shithole and drinking piss (something that 95% of the general public would probably find offensive) faintly bizarre.

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Re: "Black Meat Matter" - really?

Postby drevokocur66 » Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:15 am

TheVulture wrote:Oh my. You've just billed the latest Silvia Soprano scene as "Black Meat Matter" (?) I'm guessing a slight typo and you mean "Black Meat Matters".

Are you really sure about this? Did you think it through? Is it really a good idea to trivialise such an important movement (ie Black Lives Matter) in this way?

More to the point, what do the male actors involved think about this? Were they consulted? How can they seriously take part in these scenes? Does it not leave a bad taste in their mouths?

I will definitely not be buying any scene labelled this way out of principle. The title is deeply offensive. You really should drop it.


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Re: "Black Meat Matter" - really?

Postby bustylady » Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:16 am

Black lives matters, White lives matters, black cock matters, white cock matters, black Piss matters, white Piss matters, Girl Piss matters....
Everything matters...
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Re: "Black Meat Matter" - really?

Postby TomHardick » Wed Jun 16, 2021 8:02 am

Come on. Seriously?. It think porn has to be fun, and part of the fun are the porn names, and in this particular situation, the title, it's just a wordplay. I wouldn't make such a big deal of it. Probably Giorgio was trying to be hilarious, and obviously, it's not gonna work for anyone, but that's it.

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Re: "Black Meat Matter" - really?

Postby Giorgio Grandi » Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:15 am

I am sick of this shit.
I dont care of movements of whatever connected to black, white, yellow, pink: I simply do not give a fuck about it. If someone wants any political/social changes and organze strikes or whatever in the name of his rights, he is free to do it.
You are free to stand on their side or not, as you are free to tell they are cool or they are just crook.

Black Meat is used in porn since 90is.

Look this book called Black Meat Matters, with a almost naked black boy on the cover, from a "label" called Interracial Erotica
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ah really?

if I name a scene "black wolf matters" and put some BBC dressed like werewolf using their dicks as a stake to impale vampire girls, it is less degrading.

also
We have several example in porn of Black Guys degrading white cuckold, it is factual.
So, i do not see the problem eventually to have a White Guy degrading a Black Dude (will it sell? dunno)

The true is that ppl are insane. I partecipate a conversation on [spam] where black girls called racist producers because they claim to have lower payout than white girls, when I wrote that is amply justified by the fact that "black girls" is a very, very small nice that doesnt belong to big investments, the answer was silence.

I read of american porn actors, stating he is communist, but he wear a Daytona and drive a convertible car.
My mother-in-law would tell him to take a trip to Russia to see what communism did, or to image czech citizen during communist occupation, eating boiled potatoes for 30 years.
Instead he was born with his warm butt in USA.

Porn is not racist and it is not politicized. We are not obliged to take sides on this matter, everyone should be free to chose what to think and where to stand or even do not stand on any side.

so its ok a black dude that degrade a white cuckcold
so it is ok to joke about black guys as well

I dont stand on the side of politically correct and I dont care of the feelings of black/white dudes. Porn imho is not politically correct and it is not meant to be politically correct.
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Postby ryukenmaster666 » Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:29 am

Yeah, that stupid "woke" bullshit must stop now.
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Re: "Black Meat Matter" - really?

Postby bustylady » Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:38 am

I believe in equality socialism, but this is too much, it's just a name, i know GG didn't mean to disrespect anyone, he made me laugh actually... why should anyone worry about it..?

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Re: "Black Meat Matter" - really?

Postby TheVulture » Wed Jun 16, 2021 9:50 am

Giorgio Grandi wrote:Porn is not racist and it is not politicized. We are not obliged to take sides on this matter


Precisely. But in using this tag you have chosen to essentially "politicize" your porn. And you have taken a side. You've said that it's OK to satirise the Black Lives Matter tag for a cheap laugh. I'm not saying that you did it specifically to offend or that it is fundamentally evil but that it is very cheap and potentially offensive, especially to your black performers and any black people who buy your scenes.

I'm white. I'm not especially liberal. I'm certainly not "woke". But I understand that Black Lives Matter is an important movement for many people. Why make a cheap joke out of it? Would you do a porn riff on 9/11? Or the Ku Klux Klan? Or religious fundamentalism? I don't think you would. These are sensitive areas. You should be better than to look for a cheap gag that will basically play well with the nastier end of your consumer base.

Did you run it by your black male performers? Have any of them given any feedback?
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Re: "Black Meat Matter" - really?

Postby ryukenmaster666 » Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:14 am

There was a joke about christmas or the 3 kings beginning of year. Weird no one had a comment about it, though it is important for some people. Double standard.
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Re: "Black Meat Matter" - really?

Postby brian6902 » Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:33 am

TheVulture wrote:Or religious fundamentalism?


To be fair, N&F just today released a scene with Victoria Daniels dressed as a "nun" getting pissed on.

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Re: "Black Meat Matter" - really?

Postby Giorgio Grandi » Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:35 am

TheVulture wrote:
Giorgio Grandi wrote:Porn is not racist and it is not politicized. We are not obliged to take sides on this matter


Precisely. But in using this tag you have chosen to essentially "politicize" your porn. And you have taken a side. You've said that it's OK to satirise the Black Lives Matter tag for a cheap laugh. I'm not saying that you did it specifically to offend or that it is fundamentally evil but that it is very cheap and potentially offensive, especially to your black performers and any black people who buy your scenes.

I'm white. I'm not especially liberal. I'm certainly not "woke". But I understand that Black Lives Matter is an important movement for many people. Why make a cheap joke out of it? Would you do a porn riff on 9/11? Or the Ku Klux Klan? Or religious fundamentalism? I don't think you would. These are sensitive areas. You should be better than to look for a cheap gag that will basically play well with the nastier end of your consumer base.

Did you run it by your black male performers? Have any of them given any feedback?


I do not politicize my porn, I just added a funny name to a scene that resemble a slogan.
I would have politicize my porn, if in the scene we would have anyone talking about politic or acting in one or another political direction.

Its like to call a scene "find her limit", does it mean the point of the scene is arrive to the border of the "consent of the model". No it doesnet, because it is staged.

The sensitive area belongs to politically correct, I do not. I stand on the side of charlie hebdo, on the side of freedom of speech and freedom of expression, even if offensive.

Said that, I believe religion doesnt match with porn, it is just my idea, but DAP Apocalipse sounds pretty good to me and the 3 kinks stuff with the witch was funny as hell.
Ku Klux Klan: if black girl would sell, I would not have any problem to get her fucked from some dudes dressed with a white tunic and name the scene Anal Klux Klan.


We use the stereotype of the Black Guy with big dick, agains the white cuckold with small dick, I do not see anyone make a crusade about it. Honestly I personally find it annoying, in my experience most of black dudes outside from porn, are not better fucked than white and do not have bigger dick, but still I am shooting it even is many ppl hate the content.

Dunno what to say else, I consider myself politically in the center with a foot on the left side, but I feel myself as a liberal. If ppl gets offended from jokes, even cheap one, I believe they are the one with a problem, not me.
I do not think we need to cancel any part of the history because it offends someone or pay attention to politically correct about the history because otherwise ppl get offended. You can be absolutely no politically correct, offend ppl, make cheap and hard jokes and still be a decent human being. If someone thinks otherwise, he is free to do it, I would answer: "They are just joke, we all will die soon and there is no sequel" (cit: Ricky Gervais at the golden globe)
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Re: "Black Meat Matter" - really?

Postby scarletxxx666 » Wed Jun 16, 2021 10:57 am

i think black people are kinda victimist

why nobody cries about police brutality towards white people????

why theres no white lives matter too????

a lot of police brutality happens towards white people too and nobody cares

probably less towards whites but still a lot

if theres police brutality to a black person everyone go crazy, if theres police brutality to a white person nobody cares

is like kicking a cow & kicking a dog

if someone kicks a cow is ok & nobody care
if someone kicks a dog they are a monster

dogs dont have more value than cows from the point of view of reality
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Re: "Black Meat Matter" - really?

Postby scarletxxx666 » Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:03 am

Giorgio Grandi wrote:Ku Klux Klan: if black girl would sell, I would not have any problem to get her fucked from some dudes dressed with a white tunic and name the scene Anal Klux Klan.

that would be so cool

kinda offensive but so cool

i think freedom of speech (?) or whatever is called is important

is like doing satanic porn or something like that

it maybe offensive but i think freedom is more important or something like that
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Re: "Black Meat Matter" - really?

Postby TheVulture » Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:04 pm

Giorgio Grandi wrote:Ku Klux Klan: if black girl would sell, I would not have any problem to get her fucked from some dudes dressed with a white tunic and name the scene Anal Klux Klan.


Come on, you can't be serious there. I think you would struggle to find a black girl willing to engage with a porn scene like that. Can you not see how offensive that would be to a black person? That you can even throw that out there in a casual manner in this thread is pretty insane and reflects poorly on you.

I don't really disagree with anything else you say there. It's all perfectly reasonable. I think you're making a big deal of the broader political side of this though. There is actually a lot of debate about whether the Black Lives Matter movement is even political. Generally speaking it isn't, although of course it's a broad movement and there are some elements that link the fight for racial equality with ending capitalism (something I broadly agree with but that's by the by). The point is that when you consider a cheap riff on the name Black Lives Matter you have to consider who would like that. People who don't like the Black Lives Matter movement, basically, so like the idea of it being cheapened or poked fun at. Donald Trump supporters. Donald Trump himself. Right wingers, basically. Extreme right wingers certainly. So when you say you're centre-left and a supporter of Charlie Hebdo etc. I have to be a little cynical about that, because it doesn't fit the profile of someone who is happy to use a term like "Black Dicks Matter" or "Black Meat Matters". The use of that basically does become political whether you want it to or not and whether BLM is political or not, simply because by doing it you're aligning yourself with unpleasant people and dog whistling to them in the name of making a cheap buck. That's your choice at the end of the day but I don't think you can say you're doing it in the name of liberalism or of supporting freedoms. That's classic trying to have your cake and eat it. There is definitely a trade off between commercial populism and a sort of tact/sensitivity/morality here and you have to decide whether you're willing to make it (albeit you have really already decided).
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Re: "Black Meat Matter" - really?

Postby Giorgio Grandi » Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:31 pm

TheVulture wrote:
Giorgio Grandi wrote:Ku Klux Klan: if black girl would sell, I would not have any problem to get her fucked from some dudes dressed with a white tunic and name the scene Anal Klux Klan.


Come on, you can't be serious there. I think you would struggle to find a black girl willing to engage with a porn scene like that. Can you not see how offensive that would be to a black person? That you can even throw that out there in a casual manner in this thread is pretty insane and reflects poorly on you.


This is another point.

TheVulture wrote:I think you're making a big deal of the broader political side of this though.


I dont.
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Re: "Black Meat Matter" - really?

Postby drevokocur66 » Wed Jun 16, 2021 2:16 pm

I think, that sexism by police is overlooked as well. I mean, 99% of people shot by police, are men. Where is the male lives matter movement?
Look at discrimination in sports. Basketball full of tall people, I mean not ONE midget! Horse racing, jesus, where are the 7 foot jockeys? Why no donkeys?
Names like dog racing, giving cats 0 chance to break into the field. Last but not least, your very own genes. If you two people of the same race have a child, there is 0 and I mean 0 chance for the baby to be born a different race. Nature itself is racist. I hope, some day, we can fix that too.
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Re: "Black Meat Matter" - really?

Postby Pineapples Studio » Wed Jun 16, 2021 3:27 pm

All I can say is that the tone of the discussion so far has illustrated precisely my reasons for staying away from politics in porn. By naming a scene “Black Meat Matters”, you invite this bullshit, and for no other reason than that, it’s a bad idea unless you take some perverse kind of enjoyment from the political circus…

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Re: "Black Meat Matter" - really?

Postby Pineapples Studio » Wed Jun 16, 2021 3:40 pm

Also, I want to be real with you guys for a second and just point out that most people who get super offended about this race stuff are white liberals.

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Postby netzerkaiser » Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:49 pm

Mister Ananas wrote:Also, I want to be real with you guys for a second and just point out that most people who get super offended about this race stuff are white liberals.


Without question you're right.

But I have questions.

I love & respect all peoples & cultures & see the inherent beauty in them all.

Why do so many black men, particularly those who make it in sport, music, whatever, not seek a beautiful black wife? Do they hate their features so much they wish to dilute them?

Why does the media constantly promote black man / white woman relations? Is this not an insult to black women? And it seems the vitriol of black women seems to be directed towards the white women who 'stole their men' than at guys themselves, remember OJ Simpson case? Remember too, the constant societal / media push is convincing white women this is cool.

I see something sinister here. I see the threat to a one-world-govt system considered most potent from the ethnically homogenous European societies. The elites don't care about homogenous Japanese, Chinese, Nigerian, Pakistani societies.

But us indigenous Northern Europeans - what are we now, 6% of global population & dwindling? What will these assholes do for their 'entertainment industry' when all the beautiful blue-eyed fair featured ladies just don't exist anymore?

Its an end-of-days scenario on a different level.

I admire greatly Giorgio's stance. I admire OP's convictions but I feel anyone gullible enough (90% population) to have been brainwashed by media / govts etc post 1970's... I am working class white guy, I always showed courtesy & respect to 'people of ethnicity' in my life. I never experienced having 'white privilege' in my upbringing, but I did experience being looked down upon as being 'working class' when younger. I worked in London from age 18 - 30 (1988 - 2001) & I saw racial injustice, & I fought it. It didn't make me popular amongst my own, I can tell you. But by later time, workplaces were becoming ethnically more diverse & I saw that coloured people were well capable of being as vindictive & vicious in a majority group as white people.

So few of us alas, have INTEGRITY. Most people go with what suits their agenda, whatever race they are.

I dipped my feet into this pool before, on this site, & backtracked to an onslaught from a guy not because I was wrong, but because I was drunk when I engaged with him. He'll probably jump in again actually.

We're all being played here, & its an oppression against individual thought. We're all being sheep-herded.

I admire the resistance shown here by so many commentators.

If you're going to bend your knee over an out-of-control dangerous guy in USA captured by opportunist iphone person, then what of little child workers for Nike in Bangladesh? Or the plight of midgets who know you've got them judged & categorised from 50 yards?

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Re: "Black Meat Matter" - really?

Postby davebowman » Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:52 pm

What next? Are we going to have people boycotting scenes unless all the actors 'take the knee' for one minute before each scene? :rolleyes:

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Re: "Black Meat Matter" - really?

Postby bustylady » Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:11 pm

netzerkaiser wrote:
Mister Ananas wrote:Also, I want to be real with you guys for a second and just point out that most people who get super offended about this race stuff are white liberals.


Without question you're right.

But I have questions.

I love & respect all peoples & cultures & see the inherent beauty in them all.

Why do so many black men, particularly those who make it in sport, music, whatever, not seek a beautiful black wife? Do they hate their features so much they wish to dilute them?

Why does the media constantly promote black man / white woman relations? Is this not an insult to black women? And it seems the vitriol of black women seems to be directed towards the white women who 'stole their men' than at guys themselves, remember OJ Simpson case? Remember too, the constant societal / media push is convincing white women this is cool.

I see something sinister here. I see the threat to a one-world-govt system considered most potent from the ethnically homogenous European societies. The elites don't care about homogenous Japanese, Chinese, Nigerian, Pakistani societies.

But us indigenous Northern Europeans - what are we now, 6% of global population & dwindling? What will these assholes do for their 'entertainment industry' when all the beautiful blue-eyed fair featured ladies just don't exist anymore?

Its an end-of-days scenario on a different level.

I admire greatly Giorgio's stance. I admire OP's convictions but I feel anyone gullible enough (90% population) to have been brainwashed by media / govts etc post 1970's... I am working class white guy, I always showed courtesy & respect to 'people of ethnicity' in my life. I never experienced having 'white privilege' in my upbringing, but I did experience being looked down upon as being 'working class' when younger. I worked in London from age 18 - 30 (1988 - 2001) & I saw racial injustice, & I fought it. It didn't make me popular amongst my own, I can tell you. But by later time, workplaces were becoming ethnically more diverse & I saw that coloured people were well capable of being as vindictive & vicious in a majority group as white people.

So few of us alas, have INTEGRITY. Most people go with what suits their agenda, whatever race they are.

I dipped my feet into this pool before, on this site, & backtracked to an onslaught from a guy not because I was wrong, but because I was drunk when I engaged with him. He'll probably jump in again actually.

We're all being played here, & its an oppression against individual thought. We're all being sheep-herded.

I admire the resistance shown here by so many commentators.

If you're going to bend your knee over an out-of-control dangerous guy in USA captured by opportunist iphone person, then what of little child workers for Nike in Bangladesh? Or the plight of midgets who know you've got them judged & categorised from 50 yards?

There are no black people or white people, there are only people, everyone is equal... And we were not supporting white/black... We were saying that there is nothing wrong with that title.

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Re: "Black Meat Matter" - really?

Postby TheVulture » Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:12 pm

Giorgio Grandi wrote:I chose a title that sound cool and makes sense, nothing more or less


Well you also went on a bit of a political rant against totalitarian communism (hardly the uniform position of most left wingers), which suggests you do have a bit of an axe to grind around this kind of issue more generally. Obviously my objection didn't go as far as suggesting that everything you do or say be watched and censored via some Big Brother type surveillance. It was quite specific around this one quite sensitive area.

But yeah OK, you've chosen the title. You did try to sort of defend it via an "all things to all men" position of liberalism when really you should own the fact that you know it to be pithy/sourly humourous and somewhat "edgy" and even downright offensive to some. You're a smart guy, you can't have been blind to that. I assume you've weighed up who it plays to, who it might offend etc. and that's fine. It's your shout at the end of the day and I'm sure you know your customer base better than me. But I'm always gonna speak my mind and feed back about this kind of thing. Like I say, I'm one fairly regular LP consumer who won't be buying those scenes however good they look. That might or might not concern you. It's obviously not the end of the world for your product. It is what it is and for better or worse, there is your first bit of constructive negative feedback.
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Re: "Black Meat Matter" - really?

Postby TheVulture » Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:19 pm

Mister Ananas wrote:Also, I want to be real with you guys for a second and just point out that most people who get super offended about this race stuff are white liberals.


That's maybe true but in many ways isn't that because white liberals have a greater representation in the media? Which in some ways ties in with the BLM message.

Also I don't think it's ever that smart to attack peripheral issues relating to this or that opinion. It's the opinion itself that counts. I'm white but not a liberal and I frequently clash with liberals over numerous issues (I would say that I am more "no nonsense" and straight talking than most liberals if you like). But to constructively debate you need to address people's opinions and not make insinuations about who they are, their background etc. "Play the ball not the man" to use a football analogy.
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Re: "Black Meat Matter" - really?

Postby Pineapples Studio » Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:24 pm

TheVulture wrote:That's maybe true but in many ways isn't that because white liberals have a greater representation in the media? Which in some ways ties in with the BLM message.

I don’t think so. It’s disproportionate.

There’s a generational divide too. A lot of older blacks people do not see the point of BLM and/or actively discourage it.

Race is a complex problem which we are still grappling with to this day. I do not deny the problem. At the same time, I am absolutely not going to get dragged into this debate, and if I were in Giorgio’s position, I would refrain from poking this particular beehive just to avoid getting caught up in the swarm.

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Re: "Black Meat Matter" - really?

Postby netzerkaiser » Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:33 pm

Just to say something here: I lived in Moldova & Czech Republic & Hungary. I've been around & always due to my own balls.

I love the cynicism of so many Eastern Europeans to current situation.

You must understand they got impaled by Turks & / or fucked by Bolsheviks & now they are cynical to worthless brainfarts like EU bullshit that means nothing but:

EU: I give you 22 billion to build your roads
EU: You surrender your independence, learn english & replace your popultion with people from Africa & middle east
Poland, Hungary, Slovakia, Lithuania etc: Jam it up your fucking ass

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Re: "Black Meat Matter" - really?

Postby TheVulture » Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:35 pm

Mister Ananas wrote:I don’t think so. It’s disproportionate.

There’s a generational divide too. A lot of older blacks people do not see the point of BLM and/or actively discourage it.

Race is a complex problem which we are still grappling with to this day. I do not deny the problem. At the same time, I am absolutely not going to get dragged into this debate, and if I were in Giorgio’s position, I would refrain from poking this particular beehive just to avoid getting caught up in the swarm.


Very fair points. You have really taken a side though in saying "Don't go there - it's too contentious". That's really pretty much all I'm saying, isn't it? I'm not being ultra moralistic about this, I just see that tag and think "WTF? That's pretty disrespectful to BLM and those who support it". I only loosely support BLM. It's not my crusade. I'm white. But I'm also conscientious enough to know that I don't have the right to poke fun at it or that if I do I should expect some criticism and not just from "woke" liberals who "complain about everything" or whatever. That's a textbook right wing reactionary response. There's a common courteousy at play here. And effectively we're on the same side of the line.
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Re: "Black Meat Matter" - really?

Postby Pineapples Studio » Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:45 pm

TheVulture wrote:You have really taken a side though in saying "Don't go there - it's too contentious".

No, I disagree with that entirely. The notion that the mere avoidance of controversy is a political statement all by itself, or worse, that it somehow antagonizes the BLM movement (see also: “microaggressions”), is arrogant as fuck on the part of the activists. Like, who are you to prescribe your morality upon the rest of society? Are you so moral yourselves that you have the right to do that? Are you really coming from a place of such purity? And I’m not saying that you’re the one doing these things, I’m just speaking in generalities about this binary notion that you must support BLM loudly and vocally or else you are part of the problem. That’s essentially compelled speech, which opens up discussions about cultural Marxism and all sorts of things that I don’t want to get into here, and oh no, I’ve said too much already, I’ve gone and done it again…

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Re: "Black Meat Matter" - really?

Postby Giorgio Grandi » Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:49 pm

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Giorgio Grandi wrote:I chose a title that sound cool and makes sense, nothing more or less


Well you also went on a bit of a political rant against totalitarian communism (hardly the uniform position of most left wingers), which suggests you do have a bit of an axe to grind around this kind of issue more generally. Obviously my objection didn't go as far as suggesting that everything you do or say be watched and censored via some Big Brother type surveillance. It was quite specific around this one quite sensitive area.

But yeah OK, you've chosen the title. You did try to sort of defend it via an "all things to all men" position of liberalism when really you should own the fact that you know it to be pithy/sourly humourous and somewhat "edgy" and even downright offensive to some. You're a smart guy, you can't have been blind to that. I assume you've weighed up who it plays to, who it might offend etc. and that's fine. It's your shout at the end of the day and I'm sure you know your customer base better than me. But I'm always gonna speak my mind and feed back about this kind of thing. Like I say, I'm one fairly regular LP consumer who won't be buying those scenes however good they look. That might or might not concern you. It's obviously not the end of the world for your product. It is what it is and for better or worse, there is your first bit of constructive negative feedback.


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I am not playing at all, I am sincerely using the title because it looks very cool and it sounds nice and it makes a lot of sense in the differences between white and black boys (just the question: does size matter?). It makes a lot of sense to me because I see it without any political influence, even if you wrongly think it is about politic and defiance.

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Re: "Black Meat Matter" - really?

Postby Giorgio Grandi » Wed Jun 16, 2021 5:52 pm

Mister Ananas wrote:which opens up discussions about cultural Marxism



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Postby netzerkaiser » Wed Jun 16, 2021 6:03 pm

Please don't get me going on cultural marxist frankfurt school of incomprensible utter bullshit that has defined EU over past 40 years, Pleaase...

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Postby bustylady » Wed Jun 16, 2021 6:40 pm

What is happening here..? :D :D :D

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Re: "Black Meat Matter" - really?

Postby Pineapples Studio » Wed Jun 16, 2021 6:46 pm

The same shit that always happens when politics gets dragged into places it doesn’t belong.

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Re: "Black Meat Matter" - really?

Postby misangrenegra2 » Wed Jun 16, 2021 6:56 pm

Seriously?

The first time i saw the title in a gio scene (last year) was something like "Maybe is a little detail to empathize with the movement" but i never thought at any moment it something offensive as TheVulture expose here.

Reading the gio's reasons about the titles seems he has more simple thought about that.

In fact like other users said here: titles are wordplays and for me are a hook the attention of the costumer.

Personally i'm bored with all this about politically correct.

The racism still exists, sadly but true. I dont understand why this should be offensive and others things not


davebowman wrote:In my opinion, porn is the one area that should be free of any political correctness, or anything approaching 'good taste'. I find the idea of someone finding something like this 'deeply offensive' in a video featuring girls getting pounded in the shithole and drinking piss (something that 95% of the general public would probably find offensive) faintly bizarre.


Totally agree! Porn, is some way, is not politically correct at all, and this is good.

The Vulture, i don't understand how you can feel offensive with a title. I did read your posts here for a while and, seriously, i dont know how, someone like you, consum this kind of porn.

Is more extreme than the average and the stuff is not soft, even you have some problems with the attitude of some guys. I say this in a good way, but i think there are a lot of other things that should be offense you, even other people too, an example: the language used: Whore, doll, slut, cumslut...

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Giorgio Grandi wrote:Ku Klux Klan: if black girl would sell, I would not have any problem to get her fucked from some dudes dressed with a white tunic and name the scene Anal Klux Klan.


Come on, you can't be serious there. I think you would struggle to find a black girl willing to engage with a porn scene like that. Can you not see how offensive that would be to a black person? That you can even throw that out there in a casual manner in this thread is pretty insane and reflects poorly on you.

Totally agree! Porn, is some way, is not politically correct at all and a lot of taboos in the society are filmed.

You can check in a famous porn site how a black girl (i think exist more than one scene with the same topic) takes a blowbang with white guys dressing T-shirts with the confederate flag...so... and i didnt read never to someone be upset for that.
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Re: "Black Meat Matter" - really?

Postby bustylady » Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:00 pm

Arhhh... Leave poor GG alone, it was my idea, blame me... :D

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Postby TheVulture » Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:15 pm

Mister Ananas wrote:No, I disagree with that entirely. The notion that the mere avoidance of controversy is a political statement all by itself, or worse, that it somehow antagonizes the BLM movement (see also: “microaggressions”), is arrogant as fuck on the part of the activists. Like, who are you to prescribe your morality upon the rest of society? Are you so moral yourselves that you have the right to do that? Are you really coming from a place of such purity? And I’m not saying that you’re the one doing these things, I’m just speaking in generalities about this binary notion that you must support BLM loudly and vocally or else you are part of the problem. That’s essentially compelled speech, which opens up discussions about cultural Marxism and all sorts of things that I don’t want to get into here, and oh no, I’ve said too much already, I’ve gone and done it again…


You just sound a bit paranoid there. Who is saying that you need to support BLM loudly? I don't even support BLM loudly and I certainly don't suggest that anyone else should. It's down to them. But deliberately trivialising it? Using it to create a pithy soundbite for a porn scene? That's different. It's at best tacky and at worst downright nasty.
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Re: "Black Meat Matter" - really?

Postby TheVulture » Wed Jun 16, 2021 7:25 pm

Giorgio Grandi wrote:I am sincerely using the title because it looks very cool and it sounds nice and it makes a lot of sense in the differences between white and black boys (just the question: does size matter?).


Come on - again you're losing credibility here. This is your 4th post or whatever and it's the 1st time you have linked the title to the size of the guy's dicks. And how is that even credible? Black Meat Matter(s). That has nothing to do with dick size.

There's nothing complicated about this. You're aware of the movement Black Lives Matter and you've gone "Hey I make porn with black guys. So I'll use the tag Black Meat Matter(s). That'll be snappy/funny/hip/topical/whatever". Just leave it at that. The more you add these extra layers the more suspicious it all becomes.
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