East Europe girls

[marcimilan]

I read that girls fees are too much thats why the upcoming scenes are sh.t.

In Románia, Hungary, Serbia, Bulgaria there a lot of hot gipsy girls.

I bet they Will do everything for almost half price.

[fister2]

Gipsy girls are very rarely seen in porn. I bet the reason is their culture.

[feltrough]

Gipsy girls are very rarely seen in porn. I bet the reason is their culture.

yes too busy making babies

[TheVulture]

Do any of you ever think that your attitude towards porn girls (and women in general) might be the reason the industry is on its knees?

Maybe your demand for unpleasant porn that portrays the girls as "victims"/"prey" etc. isn't a viable long-term economic model?

Just a couple of thoughts.

[latina-girls-yes]

Gipsy girls are very rarely seen in porn. I bet the reason is their culture.

the roma have a rich culture, a set of time-honoured traditions and a system of values that goes back centuiries and gives real meaning to their lives. and they have fought hard for centuries (and against all odds, as a perpetually marginalised community) to preserve their way of life from the attempts of racists like you to eliminate them from existance, via your constant crusades, your pogroms and (most recently) your nazi extermination camps

so tell us what life-affirming culture gives your life meaning and that you would fight centuries to preserve, fister2? macdonalds, walmart and netflix?? happy like a pig in shit, and welcome to it

[latina-girls-yes]

Gipsy girls are very rarely seen in porn. I bet the reason is their culture.

yes too busy making babies

and with far better men than you will ever be, feltrough. while you spend your evenings alone with your wanksock and your racist shitposting

[latina-girls-yes]

Do any of you ever think that your attitude towards porn girls (and women in general) might be the reason the industry is on its knees?

Maybe your demand for unpleasant porn that portrays the girls as "victims"/"prey" etc. isn't a viable long-term economic model?

Just a couple of thoughts.

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[Anselm_Weinberg]

Gipsy girls are very rarely seen in porn. I bet the reason is their culture.

the roma have a rich culture, a set of time-honoured traditions and a system of values that goes back centuiries and gives real meaning to their lives. and they have fought hard for centuries (and against all odds, as a perpetually marginalised community) to preserve their way of life from the attempts of racists like you to eliminate them from existance, via your constant crusades, your pogroms and (most recently) your nazi extermination camps

so tell us what life-affirming culture gives your life meaning and that you would fight centuries to preserve, fister2? macdonalds, walmart and netflix?? happy like a pig in shit, and welcome to it

The persecution of Roma is abominable but this doesn't mean their or anyone else's "time-honoured traditions" are to be glorified. Just like opposing the persecution of Muslims doesn't mean defending patriarchal religious bullshit smh. Better to support the forward-thinking people in their midst and at the same time resolutely oppose racists. I've seen people defend the Indian caste system rather than supporting the lower castes in their struggle against that "time-honoured" bullshit... all in a name of some pseudo anti racism. It all hings on that stupid noble savage trope though...

[dap-addict]

In Románia, Hungary, Serbia, Bulgaria there a lot of hot gipsy girls.
I bet they Will do everything for almost half price.

True, but it's culturally difficult to scout them and keep their careers afloat.

[fister2]

Gipsy girls are very rarely seen in porn. I bet the reason is their culture.

the roma have a rich culture, a set of time-honoured traditions and a system of values that goes back centuiries and gives real meaning to their lives. and they have fought hard for centuries (and against all odds, as a perpetually marginalised community) to preserve their way of life from the attempts of racists like you to eliminate them from existance, via your constant crusades, your pogroms and (most recently) your nazi extermination camps

so tell us what life-affirming culture gives your life meaning and that you would fight centuries to preserve, fister2? macdonalds, walmart and netflix?? happy like a pig in shit, and welcome to it

No need to get personal. It's the truth, you never see roma people in porn, because in their culture such behavior is not accepted. I was not giving racist comments. I'm partially roma myself.

[TheVulture]

True, but it's culturally difficult to scout them and keep their careers afloat.

Wow. You really are a chameleon, dap-addict.

In another thread you give a +1 to my suggestion for porn to clean its act up with better overall standards with regard to the treatment of porn girls. Here, you give a dispassionate, reportage-type account of the difficulties the porn industry might face trying to exploit a specific group of women.

[dap-addict]

It's not about exploitation but giving chances for job options they can live out their natural passion and often wilder sex drive. And fact that they work on set for more realistic fees just adds. But scouting Roma girls is more difficult than scouting white caucasian girls from OP suggested places, but also Czech and Hungary. I know this from own past experience.

[latina-girls-yes]

Gipsy girls are very rarely seen in porn. I bet the reason is their culture.

the roma have a rich culture, a set of time-honoured traditions and a system of values that goes back centuiries and gives real meaning to their lives. and they have fought hard for centuries (and against all odds, as a perpetually marginalised community) to preserve their way of life from the attempts of racists like you to eliminate them from existance, via your constant crusades, your pogroms and (most recently) your nazi extermination camps

so tell us what life-affirming culture gives your life meaning and that you would fight centuries to preserve, fister2? macdonalds, walmart and netflix?? happy like a pig in shit, and welcome to it

No need to get personal. It's the truth, you never see roma people in porn, because in their culture such behavior is not accepted. I was not giving racist comments. I'm partially roma myself.

sincere and public apologies on my part, fister2.

i read the first three comments in this thread together, as a set. and as a set they paint a damning picture. but isolating your comment from the other two and taking it on its own terms, i totally accept that i read you unfairly and lashed out when - giving you the benefit of the doubt (and no reason to suppose otherwise) - you said nothing wrong and didn't deserve the reply i made

all due respect to you as roma. and as roma you probably already know that there are some extremly ugly pockets of medieval style (pitchforks and flaming torches) anti-roma hatred still operating in certain dark corners of eastern europe (ukraine and romania come to mind)

https://www.errc.org/news/anti-roma-pog ... ing-terror

so hopefully you will understand why i pursue a zero-tolerance for anti-roma racism whenever i encounter it. and history is there to remind us what happens when we don't

[latina-girls-yes]

True, but it's culturally difficult to scout them and keep their careers afloat.

Wow. You really are a chameleon, dap-addict.

In another thread you give a +1 to my suggestion for porn to clean its act up with better overall standards with regard to the treatment of porn girls. Here, you give a dispassionate, reportage-type account of the difficulties the porn industry might face trying to exploit a specific group of women.

It's not about exploitation but giving chances for job options they can live out their natural passion and often wilder sex drive. And fact that they work on set for more realistic fees just adds. But scouting Roma girls is more difficult than scouting white caucasian girls from OP suggested places, but also Czech and Hungary. I know this from own past experience.

It's not about exploitation but giving chances for job options...

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[Anselm_Weinberg]

No, you prefer engaging in positive racism instead. When you attribute some wholesome quality to a group of people. Taken straight out of the post-colonial playbook.

[latina-girls-yes]

No, you prefer engaging in positive racism instead. When you attribute some wholesome quality to a group of people. Taken straight out of the post-colonial playbook.

there are good and bad in every community, without exceptions. i'm not unaware of that. but discussing any community 'as a community' obviously involves and implies generalisation, because generalisation is and inherent part of the descriptor 'community'. but if you want to infer something more of it than that, be my guest. it bothers me not

[Anselm_Weinberg]

Yes, because every community is deeply divided and has its own taboos and (sexual or otherwise) hierarchies and resulting discontent and strive. The same holds true for both Roma and Western culture of course, which is why I find this juxtaposing of cliches like "shallow Western values with its life-affirming McDonald's culture etc." with the wholesome Roma "tradition" to be deeply flawed, whether rhetorical or not.

Take the Roma woman who doesn't want to be given away in an arranged marriage. It's not a matter of individual bad apples that's coercing her to do this but it's a ingrained part of her culture itself which she cannot rely on to help her in this predicament.

Now I wouldn't argue to impose Western culture on these communities but to help the forward-thinking people like that woman there to subvert the oppressive parts that constitute a sizable part of her culture and found their own universalism. Help them find their own voice and don't obfuscate it with some reference to how awesome this tradition is. Their culture is just as contradictory and hypocritical as our own and shouldn't be put on pedestal

[hyapet]

sincere and public apologies on my part, fister2.

i read the first three comments in this thread together, as a set. and as a set they paint a damning picture. but isolating your comment from the other two and taking it on its own terms, i totally accept that i read you unfairly and lashed out when - giving you the benefit of the doubt (and no reason to suppose otherwise) - you said nothing wrong and didn't deserve the reply i made

all due respect to you as roma. and as roma you probably already know that there are some extremly ugly pockets of medieval style (pitchforks and flaming torches) anti-roma hatred still operating in certain dark corners of eastern europe (ukraine and romania come to mind)

https://www.errc.org/news/anti-roma-pog ... ing-terror

so hopefully you will understand why i pursue a zero-tolerance for anti-roma racism whenever i encounter it. and history is there to remind us what happens when we don't

Translation: you're not white - so I can pretend to respect you.

Wow. You really are a chameleon, dap-addict.

In another thread you give a +1 to my suggestion for porn to clean its act up with better overall standards with regard to the treatment of porn girls. Here, you give a dispassionate, reportage-type account of the difficulties the porn industry might face trying to exploit a specific group of women.

Hear that dap_addict? Your experience doesn't matter. Statistics don't matter. The reality on the ground doesn't matter.

All of that stuff is racist!

Don't you do dare make observations based around reality - based around experience - even if by doing so you're just taking the automatic gamble that is inherent in all decisions. Making observations based on evidence is ...

Racist!

Oh, boy!

I love getting my Liberal on.

[Sergio8317]

Gipsy girls are very rarely seen in porn. I bet the reason is their culture.

the roma have a rich culture, a set of time-honoured traditions and a system of values that goes back centuiries and gives real meaning to their lives. and they have fought hard for centuries (and against all odds, as a perpetually marginalised community) to preserve their way of life from the attempts of racists like you to eliminate them from existance, via your constant crusades, your pogroms and (most recently) your nazi extermination camps

so tell us what life-affirming culture gives your life meaning and that you would fight centuries to preserve, fister2? macdonalds, walmart and netflix?? happy like a pig in shit, and welcome to it

Gypsies are savages and barbarians. Their entire "rich culture is stealing", drug dealing and begging.
They also often kidnap children because it is easier to beg with white children. Sometimes they sell their children.
These are not a people but trash.

[Anselm_Weinberg]

Funny coming from the trash who by their own admission would not only like to fuck their own daughter but also relish in seeing them get passed around as a sex slave. Sergio is the ultimate trash

[Sergio8317]

Funny coming from the trash who by their own admission would not only like to fuck their own daughter but also relish in seeing them get passed around as a sex slave. Sergio is the ultimate trash

You and those like you always defend the savages who robs and kills you. You have an instinct for self-destruction. This is generally characteristic of modern Western civilization.
As for porn, it turns out that you consider yourself trash, because you watch it too.

[Anselm_Weinberg]

I am not defending anyone, just realising that these moralistic judgements along racist or nationalists or tribalistic lines are missing the deeper point about why a society/culture functions as it does and does nothing to resolve these issues but even further replicates them.

Also, you're deflecting, I wasn't calling you trash because you like porn, but rather pointing out how funny it is with you being such a vigilant protetor of the integrity of Western civilisation that you flat out argue it's cool to fuck one's own daughter and that ideally she should go through what amounts to quasi sex slavery as a training exercise. It's clear you're pretty serious about this and it's way beyond just being a fantasy.

[Sergio8317]

I am not defending anyone, just realising that these moralistic judgements along racist or nationalists or tribalistic lines are missing the deeper point about why a society/culture functions as it does and does nothing to resolve these issues but even further replicates them.

Also, you're deflecting, I wasn't calling you trash because you like porn, but rather pointing out how funny it is with you being such a vigilant protetor of the integrity of Western civilisation that you flat out argue it's cool to fuck one's own daughter and that ideally she should go through what amounts to quasi sex slavery as a training exercise. It's clear you're pretty serious about this and it's way beyond just being a fantasy.

I am for freedom of sexuality, especially female sexuality. Even in Western countries, free sexual behavior of girls is condemned, and in backward nations women can be killed not only for sex, but even for a short skirt or an open face.
Therefore, it is strange to hear from a porn fan remarks in defense of Muslims or gypsies who not only kill for any manifestation of sexuality, but also forcibly marry off girls at the age of 12.
Reality is often worse than the sickest fantasy.

[Anselm_Weinberg]

I don't defend religion or patriarchal culture, I only don't a priority hold it against a member of these cultures or religions, regardless of whether these backward aspects are supported by a majority or not.

I don't subscribe to notions of having the state "protect" me from the perceived threat of some outside force and don't care about the integrity of it borders or whatever. It doesn't concern me, it's not my agenda to call upon the state machinery to do my duty. Basically I am saying all cultures are equally shitty, theirs is no exception to ours, no glorifying or making excuses for backwardness involved.

[xxxVIPERxxx]

Hot girls are hot girls...it does not matter where they come from.

[dap-addict]

...gypsies who not only kill for any manifestation of sexuality, but also forcibly marry off girls at the age of 12.
Reality is often worse than the sickest fantasy.

They have another culture, but fact is also that porn can actually help Roma/gipsy girls to emancipate from repressive society, free themselves and their sexuality. On top of that they work for lower fees usually than their white peers in Hungary, Czech and Romanian. Therefore it's a win-win situation for studios and the gipsy girls.
However, as I already said, scouting for porn in gipsy communities is a more difficult task than scouting as such in EU already is.

[latina-girls-yes]

They have another culture, but fact is also that porn can actually help Roma/gipsy girls to emancipate from repressive society, free themselves and their sexuality. On top of that they work for lower fees usually than their white peers in Hungary, Czech and Romanian. Therefore it's a win-win situation for studios and the gipsy girls.
However, as I already said, scouting for porn in gipsy communities is a more difficult task than scouting as such in EU already is.

On top of that they work for lower fees usually than their white peers in Hungary, Czech and Romanian

is it that they *want to* work for less than their hungarian, czech and romanian peers, DAPaddict?

or is it actually more the case that they are simply not offered as much to work as their peers because shitty racist employers think they can get away with not renumerating them fairly (i.e. at same rate as other eu girls) purely because they are roma/sinti?
there's a moral dilemma for you and your conscience there, DAPaddict. do you want to perpetuate racist oppressive behaviour, or push back against it when you have the opportunity?

as I already said, scouting for porn in gipsy communities is a more difficult task than scouting as such in EU already is.

tbh i would absolutely love to watch a live streaming of you wandering around a roma community site trying to 'recruit' girls for DAP scenes. i have *many tickets* ready for that scene.
the thought of you being chased through woodland for several hours by a dozen young roma men with shotguns screaming 'i thought she was 18! i thought she was 18!" with tears streaming down your face would be pure entertainment gold

[latina-girls-yes]

Take the Roma woman who doesn't want to be given away in an arranged marriage. It's not a matter of individual bad apples that's coercing her to do this but it's a ingrained part of her culture itself which she cannot rely on to help her in this predicament.

Now I wouldn't argue to impose Western culture on these communities but to help the forward-thinking people like that woman there to subvert the oppressive parts that constitute a sizable part of her culture and found their own universalism. Help them find their own voice and don't obfuscate it with some reference to how awesome this tradition is. Their culture is just as contradictory and hypocritical as our own and shouldn't be put on pedestal

to help the forward-thinking people like that woman there to subvert the oppressive parts that constitute a sizable part of her culture

solutions to the dilemma you present should be worked out within such communities themselves and on the terms of such communities themselves. members of those communities have an existential stake in the perpetuation and survival of their communities (as they evolve over time). for that reason they will therefore (generally) make the best decisions about what is best for the majority of their communities, because they have most (if not everything) to lose if they make bad decisions.
interfering outsiders (however well-intentioned) on the other hand, have absolutely no stake in the survival of that community, and consequently risk absolutely nothing if their intervening leads to crises and/or collapse within the community the communities they try to interfere it

if there is enough authentic internal (not inauthentic & external) momentum for change from those affected by the situation you describe from within that community, the change you wish to see may come to pass, if and when the community is ready for it.
but if there is not sufficient momentum for change within that community, then any community decision not to implement change should be respected as a decision made by the community with the best interests of the majority of that community at heart (whether you, on the outside, like that result or not)

if individuals with such grievances within that community are not happy with that outcome, then it may be the case that they need to leave that community (temporarily until such a change is implemented, or permanently). it may be not an ideal resolution, but if the community is not ready to change, that's the only viable resolution
there are many communities in this world that individuals can move between in order to find a place that suits them if they are not happy living within the one into which they were born (or have adopted at some stage). helping such individuals integrate into a new community is a worthy endeavour, legitimate and progressive. if you feel compelled to 'intervene' to help such people, that's the appropriate course

but above all, external forces (however well-intentioned they consider their motives to be) should not seek to intervene to impose the will of aggrieved individuals upon a majority community that rejects those views, just because those views align with their own wishes and beliefs. seeking to force minority views on majorities is not legitimate or progressive. it's fascistic and anti-democratic

[Anselm_Weinberg]

Who arising anything about outsiders imposing anything? I said the complete opposite, that the inner antagonisms that are already pre-existing in every community should be exploited towards supporting emancipatory forces from within these cultures. That is solidarity of struggle with these forces. There is no organic supreme being that is embodied in some monolithic sense of community. That's the post-colonial mistake that declares cultures to be something holy when really they are abstractions based upon concrete material forces and social hierarchies arising out of these. I don't think either so-called Western culture or Roma or whatever the way they currently exist are exemplary of something worth imposing or to be declared leitkultur if you will.

[Anselm_Weinberg]

And you really shouldn't use the term fascism lightly, not every genuine or supposed foreign imposition is fascist. Funnily enough it is often fascists who would even readily exclaim "each to their own" and every culture and nation should return to its fabulous original roots (itself an illusion of authenticity which in the form fascists conceive it has never existed) but even that is hardly relevant, because even these things can exist independently of fascism and without being such

[dap-addict]

On top of that they work for lower fees usually than their white peers in Hungary, Czech and Romanian

is it that they *want to* work for less than their hungarian, czech and romanian peers, DAPaddict?

or is it actually more the case that they are simply not offered as much to work as their peers because shitty racist employers think they can get away with not renumerating them fairly (i.e. at same rate as other eu girls) purely because they are roma/sinti?
there's a moral dilemma for you and your conscience there, DAPaddict. do you want to perpetuate racist oppressive behaviour, or push back against it when you have the opportunity?

lgy, your question isnt linked to actual scouting practice thats your problem: There are the going fees everybody from inside biz has in mind and there are the individual fees every girl has. They vary ofc and business art is to strike a deal. Gipsy girls individual financial needs and therefore fees are usually lower at the beginning, but later on she might rise above going fees of her white porn peers, like it happened with Lucy Lee for instance.

It's not a moral question but just business! Scouts catch girls with propositions they think attractive for them, mainly financial ones but not only. But the girl decided in the end about her fee for a defined scene, be it her very first one or any fellowing, or a series of scenes.