How to avoid losing customers due to higher prices?

[zeusanalfreak299]

Let's assume that everything will become much more expensive and good scenes will cost 20 TKT. Will the average consumer keep increasing his butget? I don't think so. At some point he will stop buying. He pays only for his top models. That will hit many studios and models hard and make imports impossible.

What will you do then? Reducing costs will only be possible at the expense of quality.

What alternatives can exist? Maybe splitting long scenes (60-70 min) in chapters with 10-15 min each?

I don't know about you but I'm usually only interested in 10% of a scene, e.g. Doggy DP and Cowgirl DP. That's 6-12 min if I'm lucky and the sex positions are well executed.

In the past I paid 3-5 TKT for it without hesitation. Today I think about it 10 times whether I pay 12 TKT to continue to enjoy only 6-12 min of a scene to fap happy. If the prices rise even further to 15-20 TKT I will stop buying. Not because I don't have money, but because I dont want to pay this money for 10 % value of the product.

But if I would get the possibility to buy for 2-3 TKT only a part which I really like with 10-15 min, then I would buy again 50 scenes a month like many years ago.

I am convinced that many people are like me. Many just want something specific. Piss, DAP, individual positions, etc.. You could change the shooting on the set a little and shoot chapters with fetishes which fit together. And sell them as parts.

E.g.

(2 TKT)
1. intro (teasing, dildo, kissing, grabbing) - 5 min
2. blowjob (all dicks, mouth fuck) - 10 min

(2 TKT)
3. 1on1 anal (with 3-5 cocks in a row, ballsdee/fast, doggy, missionary, cowgirl, reverse cowgirl) - 15 min

(2 TKT)
4. DP/TP - 15 min

(3 TKT)
5. DAP/TAP - 15 min

(2 TKT)
6. cum, facial, creampies 5 min

(1 TKT)
7. piss - 5 min

If someone wants to see everything, he buys the full version, pays 12 TKT.
If someone wants to see only a part, he pays less. About the sales you get then also information what of a scene really sells well and what not. Because today you sell the full package so people who only want specific things.

Of course you could adjust and master everything with the time, but the idea behind it is to generate smaller revenues even with people you already lost or will loose soon. People who don't like the full package, but would gladly buy certain parts to continue supporting their fav girls but also newcomers and studios.

What do you think? I mean not everybody is reloading 300 TKT each month...Soon or later more and more people will look elsewhere for this content...

Those who pay what ever they need to pay will perhaps do that, even if the scenes will cost much more.

But you could additionally create revenue with poeple who can't effort it anymore or don't want to pay too much for less output.

I for myself did buy 30- 50 scenes a month many years ago. Today I buy 1-2 scenes a month.
Would gladly spend 100€ a month today if I could buy chapters.

[dap-addict]

I don't know about you but I'm usually only interested in 10% of a scene, e.g. Doggy DP and Cowgirl DP. That's 6-12 min if I'm lucky and the sex positions are well executed.

Exactly my case!
I'm only interest in the DAP footage.
But I want it embedded in about 30sec of tease, 1min of first anal insertion and 2min of final cumshaws often fast forwarded until money shot.

If I could spend only 2-3TKT for DAP footage only instead of 12TKT - or maybe even 20TKT in April 2023, who knows! - I would do that ofc. But in my case I'd need 2-3 TKT more for intro and outro. I could re-dress my habit maybe though and go only for the core interest somewhere in the middle.

Maybe AVLP considers something like that, however, it would make pre-financing of DAP scenes more difficult.

[zeusanalfreak299]

If I could spend only 2-3TKT for DAP footage only instead of 12TKT - or maybe even 20TKT in April 2023, who knows! - I would do that ofc. But in my case I'd need 2-3 TKT more for intro and outro. I could re-dress my habit maybe though and go only for the core interest somewhere in the middle.

Maybe AVLP considers something like that, however, it would make pre-financing of DAP scenes more difficult.

If DAP obviously costs more, they could weight the prices of each chapter by fetish costs and made them more fair (cost related). Then the studio would get the money for DAP also with fewer sales. Of course it would be more expensive for people like you, but hey, you want one of the most extreme things.

Maybe:

1. Intro+Blow 1TKT
2. 1on1 anal 1.5 TKT
3. DP+TP 2.5 TKT
4. DAP/TAP 5 TKT
5. Piss 1 TKT
6. Cum 1 TKT

So, you would need to pay 7 TKT (1+4+6) but also enjoy the most extreme fetish.

I would rather pay for more softer content (1+2+3) 5 TKT.

I think long term oriented we definitely need a solution like this.

[zeusanalfreak299]

If I could spend only 2-3TKT for DAP footage only instead of 12TKT - or maybe even 20TKT in April 2023, who knows! - I would do that ofc. But in my case I'd need 2-3 TKT more for intro and outro. I could re-dress my habit maybe though and go only for the core interest somewhere in the middle.

Maybe AVLP considers something like that, however, it would make pre-financing of DAP scenes more difficult.

If DAP obviously costs more, they could weight the prices of each chapter by fetish costs and made them more fair (cost related). Then the studio would get the money for DAP also with fewer sales. Of course it would be more expensive for people like you, but hey, you want one of the most extreme things.

Maybe:

1. Intro+Blow 1TKT
2. 1on1 anal 1.5 TKT
3. DP+TP 2.5 TKT
4. DAP/TAP 5 TKT
5. Piss 1 TKT
6. Cum 1 TKT

So, you would need to pay 7 TKT (1+4+6) but also enjoy the most extreme fetish.

I would rather pay for more softer content (1+2+3) 5 TKT.

I think long term oriented we definitely need a solution like this.

[YuriyProneBone]

If I have to choose obviously dominant positions are my favorite. I would rather see prone bone than cowgirl.

However, as long as the girl is getting rammed in the ass for a good amount of time I'm happy.

I'm not paying to see a position here or a position there. I'm paying to support the idea that the girl is active and the more money she generates the more she will get fucked in the ass.

So I'm paying for that specific girl to keep her career and to continue getting fucked in the ass at a regular basis.

If I'm buying a scene of a girl that is no longer active is because I want to support the idea that she may come back if she keeps selling or that what she has done already is getting the recognition it deserves.

If I buy a video is not to see her on a certain position for a certain amount of time. Yes, it is nice to see a girl getting prone boned in the ass, but I still buy scenes without prone bone too.

The idea is to enjoy seeing a girl getting fucked in the ass for a good amount of time. Watching her feeling the cock in her rectum is what I pay for.

So the more she gets fucked in the ass the better. The whole TikTok bullshit wouldn't fly with me at all.

I'm more like a podcast type of guy. I want long seasons of fucking where that asshole end ups sore to the point that she needs to rest for a certain amount of days before she gets rammed again.

That's what I'm paying for.

[misangrenegra2]

Would be this a solution?

The edition team would work more to split 1 scene in 5 or 6 parts, including if have wet content. More edition works should increase the cost of the whole scene because they have to work more split the scene. Would be fair?

Currently is fair for me the reasons of make a dry/wet version, for some people is gross and is a "special" fetish

Maybe is a good strategy for those how skip parts of the scene, personally i always watch the whole scene, i want appreciate each detail of it. I remember that DVD porn movies used to incorporate a scene only with the all cumshoots.

[zeusanalfreak299]

If I have to choose obviously dominant positions are my favorite. I would rather see prone bone than cowgirl.

However, as long as the girl is getting rammed in the ass for a good amount of time I'm happy.

I'm not paying to see a position here or a position there. I'm paying to support the idea that the girl is active and the more money she generates the more she will get fucked in the ass.

So I'm paying for that specific girl to keep her career and to continue getting fucked in the ass at a regular basis.

If I'm buying a scene of a girl that is no longer active is because I want to support the idea that she may come back if she keeps selling or that what she has done already is getting the recognition it deserves.

If I buy a video is not to see her on a certain position for a certain amount of time. Yes, it is nice to see a girl getting prone boned in the ass, but I still buy scenes without prone bone too.

The idea is to enjoy seeing a girl getting fucked in the ass for a good amount of time. Watching her feeling the cock in her rectum is what I pay for.

So the more she gets fucked in the ass the better. The whole TikTok bullshit wouldn't fly with me at all.

I'm more like a podcast type of guy. I want long seasons of fucking where that asshole end ups sore to the point that she needs to rest for a certain amount of days before she gets rammed again.

That's what I'm paying for.

Thank you for your respond, but it´s more off-topic and about your preferences and fetish.

You didnt consider the question what AV will do if scenes will cost 20 TKT, or what AV should do to make additional revenue with poeple who already gone.

[zeusanalfreak299]

Would be this a solution?

The edition team would work more to split 1 scene in 5 or 6 parts, including if have wet content. More edition works should increase the cost of the whole scene because they have to work more split the scene. Would be fair?

Currently is fair for me the reasons of make a dry/wet version, for some people is gross and is a "special" fetish

Maybe is a good strategy for those how skip parts of the scene, personally i always watch the whole scene, i want appreciate each detail of it. I remember that DVD porn movies used to incorporate a scene only with the all cumshoots.

Yes, but try to focus on the main question of the thread. Will you still buy all scenes you like to enjoy each detail if they will cost even 20 TKT? If you are wealthy, perhaps. But the ordinary consumer with a limited butget wont really do that, dont you think?

And maybe also people like you if we get to the point where you would like to see 50 scenes, but dont have 20 TKT for each one. I don´t know you personally, but I think even you would think about what you like more in the scene. And instead of buying only a few and limit the support on a few studios / models, it would be great if you could support more studios and models by buying only certain chapters.

So, what elase alternatives AV would have?

[YuriyProneBone]

Yeah, still definitely a no. Breaking the scenes into little pieces is not a solution at all. It is one of the worst ideas I ever heard. It's like selling trailers. People want to see the whole scene, meaning seeing the girls getting fucked in the ass from beginning to end.

Higher prices autocorrect. People either don't buy and keep them affordable, or they buy less scenes. So instead of Gonzo producing a scene every day, they do it once a week. That kind of thing.

[misangrenegra2]

Would be this a solution?

The edition team would work more to split 1 scene in 5 or 6 parts, including if have wet content. More edition works should increase the cost of the whole scene because they have to work more split the scene. Would be fair?

Currently is fair for me the reasons of make a dry/wet version, for some people is gross and is a "special" fetish

Maybe is a good strategy for those how skip parts of the scene, personally i always watch the whole scene, i want appreciate each detail of it. I remember that DVD porn movies used to incorporate a scene only with the all cumshoots.

Yes, but try to focus on the main question of the thread. Will you still buy all scenes you like to enjoy each detail if they will cost even 20 TKT? If you are wealthy, perhaps. But the ordinary consumer with a limited butget wont really do that, dont you think?

And maybe also people like you if we get to the point where you would like to see 50 scenes, but dont have 20 TKT for each one. I don´t know you personally, but I think even you would think about what you like more in the scene. And instead of buying only a few and limit the support on a few studios / models, it would be great if you could support more studios and models by buying only certain chapters.

So, what elase alternatives AV would have?

If AV arrives to that point of sell each scene for 20 TKT, i surely would keep my TKTs carefully being more selective about what purchase checking the trailers several times and valuing if is worth. Clearly my support would be reduced in a X% and i wouldn't get each scene that i want. Even i would focus in 1 or 2 studios, not more.

Personally i would not like to get to the point of having to buy parts of a whole, maybe I would continue choosing complete scenes but purchasing less scenes.

Is a complex discussion. I'm going to imagine that i have to choice, surely i would skip "DAP/TAP" and "Piss" even when "DAP" is one of my favorite things here and go to "anal", even i would consider to add "DP/TP" if that makes the price reasonable.

I said that is a complex discussion. We going to assume that they arrive to that point and seriously they lose A LOT of costumers... What Would you do as a business? Is hard to say and more when i don't have formation about that but i'm going to say a few things:

1 - Maybe to cheapen the content would be necessary. Things like reduce the number of gangbangs and shoot more between 1on1 and 3on1, being gangbangs less often.

2 - Shoot less often the most expensive sex acts like DAP/TAP or piss and focus the content more in anal+DP

3 - Reduce the price of the old scenes, begining to scenes released since 1.5/2 years ago until the most old scenes of the site, maybe you gets people invest money in these scenes and help to the site solvency.

Maybe i just said crazy measures but is how i would imagine the situation if really a bussiness lost a lot of customers.

[misangrenegra2]

Yeah, still definitely a no. Breaking the scenes into little pieces is not a solution at all. It is one of the worst ideas I ever heard. It's like selling trailers. People want to see the whole scene, meaning seeing the girls getting fucked in the ass from beginning to end.

Higher prices autocorrect. People either don't buy and keep them affordable, or they buy less scenes. So instead of Gonzo producing a scene every day, they do it once a week. That kind of thing.

This could be other option that i just missed in my list. The main studios here used to release less scenes per month and week, even being expensive, you can keep selling the content than shooting 365 scenes per year and not selling at all.

[zeusanalfreak299]

To summarize your points:

1. reduction of scenes/releases
2. reduction of more extreme scenes (DAP/TAP/Piss)
3. reduction of prices of older scenes

I think these would be ralatively reasonable choices.


But that would lead to continuing making money only with consumers who spend 12 TKT or more on scenes.
Only the 3rd point would appeal to consumers with less budget.

I find in addition my idea still makes sense, because:

- People like you could continue to buy full scenes. Nothing would change for you. You would click on buy (full version) and thats it.
- But people like me, and other more cost-conscious consumers could also co-finance new scenes. The effort for editing would be manageable. I think people are flexible enough here. We could then simply choose the individual part, similar to the BTS content.

So from my point of view AV has the choice here between:

1. continue to make sales only with the solvent / extremely loyal consumers with reducing the quantity.
2. or, in addition, keep/win more cost-conscious consumers with relatively little editing effort. Perhaps then the 1st point will not be necessary at all.


I think you are misinterpreting my idea a bit.

Nothing should change for people like you. It is about an additional possibility to generate additional sales and/or not to lose more consumers.


And by the way, we had a similar situation with dvd movies. They where sold online, but then they where splitted in scenes, so people could buy single scenes with their girl.
But if prices for single scenes will increase as fuck, I think splitting scenes would be a similar way to stay alive and as active as now.

[misangrenegra2]

Your last post

My second point of skip some sex acts, in the simulation that you are proposing us of incredible high prices and losing customers, I guess wouldn't be necessary if the number of releases was reduced and the sells were good or if they keep the current rythm of releases and your idea of split the scene works good making good sells. In fact, thinking more in calm, is quite dangerous change or reduce the more extreme content, the loyal base of customers could take measures and leave. I'm still saying is a hard scenario to discuss properly, there are several variables to handle and we don't have the big picture of the bussiness.

The 3rd point i think could be currently a good strategy, would incentivate spend of some people and would provide some earns.

Sadly I'm not exactly a bussiness man or a rich man haha, i'm pretty aware of the effort it takes to invest our own money to buy porn.

Believe me, i understand your idea, i only asked if the additional work of edition would add more costs to the final price or not, because this can affect to people that want the whole scene.

About the DVD thing, they were very smart selling online the indivual scenes of the movies, even we can consider them like the precursors of the current model here. A movie had 4-6 scenes with different girls, some movies were focused in a particular girl, even the movies had different kind of scenes, without doubt the inconditional fans of specific girls or fetishes found the gold with that system.

[zeusanalfreak299]

Lets stay tuned Because we will definitely need a solution. It´s not working longterm to increase prices again and again. Everything has an end.

[drevokocur66]

Make better quality content.

[dap-addict]

If DAP obviously costs more, they could weight the prices of each chapter by fetish costs and made them more fair (cost related). Then the studio would get the money for DAP also with fewer sales. Of course it would be more expensive for people like you, but hey, you want one of the most extreme things.

Maybe:

1. Intro+Blow 1TKT
2. 1on1 anal 1.5 TKT
3. DP+TP 2.5 TKT
4. DAP/TAP 5 TKT
5. Piss 1 TKT
6. Cum 1 TKT

So, you would need to pay 7 TKT (1+4+6) but also enjoy the most extreme fetish.

I would rather pay for more softer content (1+2+3) 5 TKT.

I think long term oriented we definitely need a solution like this.

Sounds interesting and might work once they have to decrease TKT value again like in April 2021.
This said so far inflation in Czech has hovered around 20% thus after last price increase up to 14-15TKT from 12TKT would be more reasonable than straight up to 20TKT.

Such a huge price increase again, after 35% last year, would probably put too many users off. Completely off I mean like YumYum for instance who hardly buys any porn here anymore at all and probably just watches old AVLP scenes instead - because content-wise there is no alternative out there for most users.

Anyway, splitting scenes to fetish contents would be an option for me.
This said, if I could financially still do it, I'd prefer to buy whole scenes even if not watching them from A to Z. Its just that I still treat a porn scene as an integral piece of art.

[zeusanalfreak299]

Its just that I still treat a porn scene as an integral piece of art.

It is, thats why I became an 3dx artist two years ago with the pseudonyme zeus3dx.

[MackZatis]

There's a TON to read in this thread, and I DID NOT. I just wanted to jump in & say, that even when average scene price is 20tkt, we already know that you'll only be getting the SAME 42-48 tkt per month as has been since forever, with no other tiers of membership offered....
What really doesn't make sense to me, is why OUR tkts were never adjusted or hell even kept same price but increased allowance per month....
Well I shouldn't say "our", more like "your". I am proud to say I haven't spent any tkts here in many years...

[abaco73]

What will you do then? Reducing costs will only be possible at the expense of quality.

OP starts from here. I can't agree at all.
Prices skyrocket up to 3 times in 5 years, and double up in last 3 years or so.
Inflation sure is a problem (only in last year, to be fair) but it was 10%, not even close to 300% we're talking about.
So, what caused these prices? Wages (I'm not talking about ladies' wage only. There are lots of people involved, on and off camera)? I will be really surprised if all wages were up by 300% in 5 years. And if it would have been so, sure there's something wrong.
I'm pretty sure this is only pushing up prices to see where breaking point is. Demand is quite elastic here (meaning it doesn't change too much at incresingly costs), because involves goods very important for interested consumers (basic economy).
Personally I buy much less scenes than years ago. I'm not a youngster anymore, so I can easily pick my scenes carefully. I didn't reload in last year or more, and I don't even regularly subscribe every 3 months.
As someone else said in a different way, as long as revenues keep going (500 scenes bought daily at 10tkt is the same as 1000 scenes bought daily at 5tkt), prices will keep going.
Any other option (as splitting scenes in parts) is only another way to grow up prices.

[YumYum74]

Such a huge price increase again, after 35% last year, would probably put too many users off. Completely off I mean like YumYum for instance who hardly buys any porn here anymore at all and probably just watches old AVLP scenes instead - because content-wise there is no alternative out there for most users.

@dap-addict, just a clarification because this apparently still causes misunderstandings. I have not been put off by the price increase. I would have been more than happy to pay higher prices to offset inflation and other issues. What has put me off is the incredible contempt the people that run this site seem to have for their customers (not just this issue but also the current avalanche of complaints about technical issues from the last week or so that aren't even acknowledged). I've made it abundantly clear that my issue was with the way they devalued my 250 ticket package right after I purchased it. The fact that my complaint was basically laughed away is what caused my reaction (I am excepting Giorgio here, who I had a good private conversation with where I explained this also, but he has no influence on the ticket packages so that talk was just informative).

Also: I am still buying some scenes every week or so, but rarely anything above 8 tickets. Call it spite or whatever. For the same reason I rarely post here anymore, even though I am still finding scoops on shoots and possible future scenes. I now keep this info to myself. Posting on this forum to me equals promoting this site and under the current circumstances I refuse to do that, so I am back to mostly lurking instead.

[starboy1337]

Don't break scenes into pieces jfc.
Site is already spammed by behind the scenes, which outside of major studios (Prague studios) sucks absolutely, just milking scenes again from different angles.
I found interesting to look back few years and buy scenes I missed for example. Found few around 2015 with Russian supermodels and it's really great. For today's 1 scene you can buy 3-4-5 scenes.

[stockard692]

I think we are close to the limit right now. People's budget have certain limits you can't stretch over a certain point. Also there are people like me who refuse to spend 20 euros for a standard scene, even if it would be the only porn-expense in a month. If they plan a further increase they are just recognizing their system is no more susteinable, but it would just be some sort of "last desperate move" and basically a suicide.

[zeusanalfreak299]

Don't break scenes into pieces jfc.
Site is already spammed by behind the scenes, which outside of major studios (Prague studios) sucks absolutely, just milking scenes again from different angles.
I found interesting to look back few years and buy scenes I missed for example. Found few around 2015 with Russian supermodels and it's really great. For today's 1 scene you can buy 3-4-5 scenes.

You didnt understand the idea properly. It's not about splitting a scene and offer 6 small scenes in the store.
It's about to offer the full scene like now. BUT: additionally individual chapters within the scene page/menu.

Again... you would see the scenes in the same way like today. You would click on one, check the trailer and screenshots. Then you would click on buy and get a menu where you could choose full scene or 1. part, 2. part, ....

Nothing would change for you. But additional sales would be made because there are people who like only a specific parts but don't want to pay more than 3TKT because the rest of the scene is not worth for them.

[xxxVIPERxxx]

I think we are close to the limit right now. People's budget have certain limits you can't stretch over a certain point. Also there are people like me who refuse to spend 20 euros for a standard scene, even if it would be the only porn-expense in a month. If they plan a further increase they are just recognizing their system is no more susteinable, but it would just be some sort of "last desperate move" and basically a suicide.

Surely, I agree that we must be at the limit now. If the total ticket price for a scene increases anymore, it will lose another drove of customers...and there will be very few of us left...

[bake0213]

As long as the average spend offsets the loss of customers, prices will continue to rise. This is why I previously said that if you don't want to see higher prices, stop supporting the site now. That said, the best news for the customer (regarding the higher prices) is that as prices rise, it becomes more likely new competitors enter the market. And competition is always good for the customer.

[Seraph0257]

How about going back to the old'en days where there was 2x2 or 1x3, good anal and dp. Quit with so many ultra disturbing orgies, not a fan of a lot of the popular tags these days, if you like it, good on you. I think it might be the fact there are so many people in each video. Like the old times, introducing many new attractive women, anal/dp only, first few scenes.

[zeusanalfreak299]

How about going back to the old'en days where there was 2x2 or 1x3, good anal and dp. Quit with so many ultra disturbing orgies, not a fan of a lot of the popular tags these days, if you like it, good on you. I think it might be the fact there are so many people in each video. Like the old times, introducing many new attractive women, anal/dp only, first few scenes.

I think the same. But I understand that the majority thinks totally different. They like 10on1, because of the fact that their model is surrounded and fucked by a lot of guys, than only 1, 2or 3. And they don't understand or don't want to understand that every more male model on the set means higher costs, because they pay each guy and model depending on the number of fuckers. This is one of the reasons why scenes cost more than 10 TKT today. But things will change... This circus can't last forever.

I would prefer to have the best guys on the set instead of 1 good guy and 9 average guys considering cock size cock hardness, condition and ballsdeep fuckability.

[Paizal]

I think LP/AV has long since found a way....make your customers mindless zombies.

[starboy1337]

Don't break scenes into pieces jfc.
Site is already spammed by behind the scenes, which outside of major studios (Prague studios) sucks absolutely, just milking scenes again from different angles.
I found interesting to look back few years and buy scenes I missed for example. Found few around 2015 with Russian supermodels and it's really great. For today's 1 scene you can buy 3-4-5 scenes.

You didnt understand the idea properly. It's not about splitting a scene and offer 6 small scenes in the store.
It's about to offer the full scene like now. BUT: additionally individual chapters within the scene page/menu.

Again... you would see the scenes in the same way like today. You would click on one, check the trailer and screenshots. Then you would click on buy and get a menu where you could choose full scene or 1. part, 2. part, ....

Nothing would change for you. But additional sales would be made because there are people who like only a specific parts but don't want to pay more than 3TKT because the rest of the scene is not worth for them.

Ok got it. Well, it could be partially solution. I rather buy whole scene.

[dap-addict]

Such a huge price increase again, after 35% last year, would probably put too many users off. Completely off I mean like YumYum for instance who hardly buys any porn here anymore at all and probably just watches old AVLP scenes instead - because content-wise there is no alternative out there for most users.

@dap-addict, just a clarification because this apparently still causes misunderstandings. I have not been put off by the price increase. I would have been more than happy to pay higher prices to offset inflation and other issues. What has put me off is the incredible contempt the people that run this site seem to have for their customers...

YumYum, sorry, I was over-simplifying a bit probably. I understood your position perfectly well, still the cause for your ticket devaluation was a de facto price rise. And it was an unheralded one.
I agree that some forces here on AVLP and/or pornbox treat us loyal customers with contempt. But why should we make liable all producers, who in turn are dependent on selling their product on PB? In this vain I dont understand why you barely post here anymore to be honest. I do acknowledge that PB forces and owners always take a share of each sold film, but most part is still going to producers and thus also to girls able to work for them instead of only OFy/Sheery etc.

[YumYum74]

YumYum, sorry, I was over-simplifying a bit probably. I understood your position perfectly well, still the cause for your ticket devaluation was a de facto price rise. And it was an unheralded one.
I agree that some forces here on AVLP and/or pornbox treat us loyal customers with contempt. But why should we make liable all producers, who in turn are dependent on selling their product on PB? In this vain I dont understand why you barely post here anymore to be honest. I do acknowledge that PB forces and owners always take a share of each sold film, but most part is still going to producers and thus also to girls able to work for them instead of only OFy/Sheery etc.

As a customer I don’t have a lot of power. The only things available to me are buying less (which I’ve done, my expenses here are around 40% of what I used to spend, even taking into account the price increase), and not promote/talk about the site. The latter I am doing by just lurking here and not engage traffic.

Both are just a drop on a hot plate and I’m sure noone in charge is losing even a second of sleep over it. But as xxx made crystal clear back in April he had no intention of doing something about my complaint. And after spending thousands of euros over the years I felt I had to do something to express my discontent (even if it is all purely symbolic).

It pains me because I am missing out on a lot of content I would have instantly bought in normal circumstances, and because I mostly had fun on this forum and engaging with you and others (I do still talk with some forum members via DM on the bird site).

And maybe it also pains some producers and the girls who lose out on a little bit of my money. But that’s hardly my fault, is it? Could have easily been avoided if back in April I got at least the feeling I was treated decently. But we know how that turned out.

[dap-addict]

It pains me because I am missing out on a lot of content I would have instantly bought in normal circumstances, and because I mostly had fun on this forum and engaging with you and others (...).

And maybe it also pains some producers and the girls who lose out on a little bit of my money. But that’s hardly my fault, is it? Could have easily been avoided if back in April I got at least the feeling I was treated decently.

Its not your fault at all!
Still, if it has so little impact you might consider giving up your boycott of forum by lets say Jan13th and buying much less by April 13th and from then on reduce only by 20% or so. Just for your own fun also. Just an idea, ofc its your decision.
But let me say I miss your pre-April 2022 post history a lot!

I also can tell you that I still am and also was talking to smaller producers loosing out since changes as you did or even more because its their job to produce and sell porn. I can't tell you more here, but in my signature is my mail for DM.

[MackZatis]

It pains me because I am missing out on a lot of content I would have instantly bought in normal circumstances, and because I mostly had fun on this forum and engaging with you and others (...).

And maybe it also pains some producers and the girls who lose out on a little bit of my money. But that’s hardly my fault, is it? Could have easily been avoided if back in April I got at least the feeling I was treated decently.

Its not your fault at all!
Still, if it has so little impact you might consider giving up your boycott of forum by lets say Jan13th and buying much less by April 13th and from then on reduce only by 20% or so. Just for your own fun also. Just an idea, ofc its your decision.
But let me say I miss your pre-April 2022 post history a lot!

I also can tell you that I still am and also was talking to smaller producers loosing out since changes as you did or even more because its their job to produce and sell porn. I can't tell you more here, but in my signature is my mail for DM.

Dap-A, I'd expect nothing less from you.
So in other words, basically saying give up on any morals/ethics you hold yourself to, sell out, and just write this past year off as a waste of time....

Not to mention, this type of "selling out" is the MAIN reason why the overlords are so emboldened to act with the contempt they do....

[dap-addict]

Dap-A, I'd expect nothing less from you.
So in other words, basically saying give up on any morals/ethics you hold yourself to, sell out (...)

I think you got me wrong: All I say is that despite all bad you have to balance your own user needs and your ways to maintain a joyful life with keeping decency and morals.

Ofc I also curbed my PB spending but I tried to find ways to still support the productions I wanna support because they are looking for new, ideally better ways and also the girls I wanna support.

And just to say least I supported gonzo of the big studios because of that direct PB owner/management link and his really infuriating non-communication.

[RUShersgapersrises]

Dividing into individual chapters,there would be nothing groundbreaking here.I think its a good suggestion and tbh Im quite surprised that this hasnt been here for a long time.Personally,I most like it doggy with big forward bending and leggs together and piledriver also with leggs together.Some time ago I also gave demonstrative pictorial examples here.But not to go off...

If this Dividing should be result in a significant increase in overhead costs (editing, video processing),it would indicate that these overhead costs are even currently extremely high and then it would be worth considering if it does make sense to support this or,lets say,should we look elsewhere.

Othetwise...

How about going back to the old'en days where there was 2x2 or 1x3, good anal and dp. Quit with so many ultra disturbing orgies, not a fan of a lot of the popular tags these days, if you like it, good on you. I think it might be the fact there are so many people in each video. Like the old times, introducing many new attractive women, anal/dp only, first few scenes.

I think the same. But I understand that the majority thinks totally different. They like 10on1, because of the fact that their model is surrounded and fucked by a lot of guys, than only 1, 2or 3. And they don't understand or don't want to understand that every more male model on the set means higher costs, because they pay each guy and model depending on the number of fuckers. This is one of the reasons why scenes cost more than 10 TKT today. But things will change... This circus can't last forever.

I would prefer to have the best guys on the set instead of 1 good guy and 9 average guys considering cock size cock hardness, condition and ballsdeep fuckability.

also agree with this.I prefer 1on1 but some 2 or 3on1 could be also good and I understand someone asking for harder action wheres girl with more studs,but high number of persons creating chaos,need of more cuts and discontinuity.