Controversial question: Is piracy EVER an option?

[netzerkaiser]

Controversial question: Is piracy EVER an option?

I say this because I'm into 1990's stuff, & to get it legit is

1) either frankly impossible

or

2) ridiculously expensive.

For example, 1990's beauty like this theres little choice...

https://www.iafd.com/person.rme/perfid= ... orgina.htm

What you say?

If you pay your LP & whatever other sites, what harm in getting for example DBM 1990's stuff that is only easily acquired through piracy but practically impossible otherwise?

I'm interested in your opinions.

[ExtremePornFan]

Controversial question: Is piracy EVER an option?

I say this because I'm into 1990's stuff, & to get it legit is

1) either frankly impossible

or

2) ridiculously expensive.

What you say?

If you pay your LP & whatever other sites, what harm in getting for example DBM 1990's stuff that is only easily acquired through piracy but practically impossible otherwise?

I'm interested in your opinions.

I used to buy Max Hardcore Euro versions, which were bootlegs. I simply could not get the real ones where I am. I would prefer to pay the original producer. I want them to keep making this stuff. If you have no other option, I say go for it.

[zeusanalfreak299]

I think piracy is pretty normal nowadays. I don't understand why it's a stigma here. Poeple don't speak about it.

If people really like what they see they will request more and support a fetish, a model or studio. They will buy scenes, even BTS shit. And amateur bullshit. This is the reason why OF exists.

But if they pirate the content, they don't really like or need that. Maybe they don't have a benefit or don't like 95% of the scene.

I for myself bought a lot in the past. Almost every sos sineplex scene. Then it decreased drastically, even if I earn way more money then before. Simply because I don't like 97-99% of today's content anymore. I can't fap to that. Because of tip fucking and a lot other factors which got worse for me personally.

I still buy scenes here which I really like, also to support some models. But if the trailer is bad, the screenshots not very "informative", I check the scenes on "alternative" sites. If I can enjoy the scene I buy it on AV for my collection, and of course to motivate models and studios to make more of such scenes. Even if the scene is "free" in the web very quickly, forever.

I do it also because of the fact that a lot of trailers are better than the scene. They edit a lot of perfect moments and you think and hope that these moments last 1-2 minutes. But than you get disappointed, because the "ballsdeep doggy anal fucking closeup" lasts only 5 seconds. I got almost 50 times in this trap. And it's really enough for me.

The consequence is that I screen almost all releases on "alternative" sites. Then I pick out the scenes I like for fapping and buy them on AV. And I really watch them many times regularly. All the other scenes which I screen for great moments but don't find any are totally useless for me. I don't download them and forget them very quickly. Sometimes I instantly buy scenes, but with my favourite models in specific studios only. Especially if the screenshots show obviously what I like for an obviously long moment. Unfortunately this is becoming very seldom.

I think it's a fair way from the customer perspective. I mean why should I pay for a scene if I can't really fap to that?

[sendmoreclowns]

Around a decade ago, all of the DVD rental chains in my home city would have an adult/XXX section tucked away at the back with bins full of 90s hardcore DVDs for just a few euro each. When those places closed down, my guess is whatever remained of the stock ended up as landfill or was recycled to produce road surfacing in somewere like rural China. Maybe some of those DVDs are the source material for some of the rips you find on all those "vintage" tube sites. Who knows? The copyright in all that material is still owned by someone, of course, and the best-known producers from that era have made their legacy content a major part of their brand. But perhaps retro/vintage simply is not a profitable enough niche in itself to be a viable or worthwhile investment for everyone who owns that material, and this is where the pirates step in.

I won't pretend to understand the mechanics of the business or what makes one business model more attractive or lucrative than another. But in other areas of entertainment like music or movies, there are companies who will service niche markets legitimately for profit, and where there's insufficient profit motive because the demand isn't big enough, somebody else will always meet that demand. A hard reality of doing business is that not everyone is legitimate. You might not like that piracy exists, but you can't avoid the fact that it does. Just as some people who can't afford the 2-3000 euro for a Balenciaga handbag will pay 100 for a fake, it's more likely someone will download a sub-optimal rip of an old DBM movie from a tube site or a torrent in the absence of a legitimate source, competitively priced or not. If someone wants a product you can't or won't provide, they'll look for someone who will.

It ought to go without saying that piracy is unethical regardless of what is being pirated, and content providers are entitled to aggressively protect their content when piracy cuts into their profits. At the same time, those businesses aren't obliged to operate at a loss just to keep a small section of the market happy. On the other hand, I would expect a true capitalist to take anyone's money. If there's a niche market you could service but have chosen to ignore because it isn't sufficiently profitable, you've made a conscious decision to forgo whatever profit there is in servicing that market. I personally think it's inconsistent to favour unregulated free markets but only when you make all the money, then argue for restraint of trade or a kind of protectionism when there's no incentive. You can't have it both ways. Perhaps it isn't quite as black-and-white as all that, but the gray area is where the pirates operate.

[netzerkaiser]

Thank you all for your fantastic, well thought-out answers.

I'll tell you I'd gladly pay for Silwa Schulmadchen quality magazines from say number 80 to when it finished, number 103 or something.

Many of these are impossible to find - same with Sex O'M.

Would be great to have the real magazines.

[jerrybb]

When I have looked at Piracy sites and downloaded from them it has only really led me to the official site. For example when you look at Piracy tubes they are almost like a search engine for porn. Most of the time you find that hot scenes on the Piracy site it leads you to the official site to obtain similar scenes. This has always been the way for me.

[netzerkaiser]

Maybe time to delete thread before it goes anywhere else?

[zeusanalfreak299]

Maybe time to delete thread before it goes anywhere else?

Why should we hide the truth? And support the stigma?

I joined legelporno also when they started because I googled for the logo when I saw one scene on pirate sites.

It was my favourite and most extreme scene with Alysa / Gapolexa. This was the trigger to say "shit, I need to support this!"

Now I'm pretty loyal and buy all scenes which give me all the fetishes I need.

[chemonro15]

i aint paying for porn lol , never have never will. takes 30 mins to download a scene in 1080p about 4-6gb per scene , easy as that, let the other suckers pay for it,

[bake0213]

I learned about this site from a forum that shares porn.

[2017sucks]

How about opposite thing?

Imagine a situation, some movie series has a 10 titles, you have 9, all of them original DVDs. And you desperately trying to complete your collection and all you see is "out of stock"... movie came out 10 years ago. Then one night, you decide not to give up so easily, keep and keep looking.. . and come even to page 36 in google search... and enter a world unknown to you, movie is there, those precious 4.35 GB of in that moment best and only important porn for you... waiting to start shining on your screen, take me daddy, take me... but... stop! You need to have some thing called "ratio" , to be able to get it... equals you need to share something first, with other people... but your upload is soooo poor, it looks like it will take ages... and that's when the game starts and choose you, not the opposite... it's like any other thing in life... can't always completely control the situation, no matter how much you want it and play 100% by the rules. Maybe only thing you can try and do is to save your name clean and never ever take a cent out of it. Those who produced a porn, behind and in front of the camera are the only people who should and must earn from it. Hm, maybe actually the best thing you can do is to "kill" those who trying to earn on sharing...

Anyway, to be in such situation would be a real hell, I guess, for any real porn fan, so I hope for reasonable prices and all of the porn legally available to big majority of the interested fans.

[zeusanalfreak299]

i aint paying for porn lol , never have never will. takes 30 mins to download a scene in 1080p about 4-6gb per scene , easy as that, let the other suckers pay for it,

Yes because you are an idiot. And it's great that there are a lot of people who understand that quality need to be payed. If you want to have it in the future too. Your behavior says a lot about your education and your parents. Also about your mentality.

[netzerkaiser]

i aint paying for porn lol , never have never will. takes 30 mins to download a scene in 1080p about 4-6gb per scene , easy as that, let the other suckers pay for it,

Yes because you are an idiot. And it's great that there are a lot of people who understand that quality need to be payed. If you want to have it in the future too. Your behavior says a lot about your education and your parents. Also about your mentality.

You're right Zeus. But this is why I asked to close thread & this is why I was wrong. Because some clown will post links for people 'who don't know links' & it'll harm business, & this was never my intention.

I assumed people knew links but played straight none-the-less.

[dap-addict]

I postponed the OP problem, actually, thanks to AVLP mainly.
But I do have 100s of dvds of the 1990ties which dont play anymore and I would like to watch them online, but legally a lot of them are not there. I watched some on xxx platform, but didnt get into really pirated streaming platform stuff.

[Sir Noel]

I admit I do what Zeus does.
Back in the day I bought any scene I thought I may wish to watch or keep. I deleted maybe 70% of them pretty quickly because they were not as exciting as the trailer suggested, badly lit or had other technical issue not apparent from the trailer.
That simply is not something one can justify when scenes costs anything from 6 to 13 tickets, just to find I have been stung by some idiot who has recorded at one frame rate and encoded at another, or washed the image out. So now I always watch the trailers and check the screenshots and if it looks worth the price I "preview" a 1080 or 720 pirated copy. If the download looks good enough to not just delete then I log into LPAV and buy and download the full package, 4k file, and bts, photoset, trailer and then add it to my Plex collection.
If I am being honest, if I couldn't do that I don't think I would dare buy anything on here, been stung too many times by scenes with "issues" that are only obvious after purchase and that was back in the day before prices tripled!!

[zeusanalfreak299]

I admit I do what Zeus does.
Back in the day I bought any scene I thought I may wish to watch or keep. I deleted maybe 70% of them pretty quickly because they were not as exciting as the trailer suggested, badly lit or had other technical issue not apparent from the trailer.
That simply is not something one can justify when scenes costs anything from 6 to 13 tickets, just to find I have been stung by some idiot who has recorded at one frame rate and encoded at another, or washed the image out. So now I always watch the trailers and check the screenshots and if it looks worth the price I "preview" a 1080 or 720 pirated copy. If the download looks good enough to not just delete then I log into LPAV and buy and download the full package, 4k file, and bts, photoset, trailer and then add it to my Plex collection.
If I am being honest, if I couldn't do that I don't think I would dare buy anything on here, been stung too many times by scenes with "issues" that are only obvious after purchase and that was back in the day before prices tripled!!

Exactly. The prices are the problem. In the past, I paid 2,5 TKT. If a purchase was a fail, it was not that bad. But today with prices of 10-13 TKT, I simply need an additional proof check. If AV doesn't provide a full screen of all frames, I look elsewhere to do that.

But again. If the scene is great and match my expactations, I buy it and share all my positive feedback with screens and gifs with others to try to inspire them buying the scene too. With the hope that similar scenes will be shot more often.

[chemonro15]

im the idiot for getting something for free instead of paying for it, riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight hahahahaha

[chemonro15]

the scenes on this website are insanely over priced , good for you for paying for them , i on the other hand will not.

dont care what you or anyone else says, im not ashamed of it

[netzerkaiser]

the scenes on this website are insanely over priced , good for you for paying for them , i on the other hand will not.

dont care what you or anyone else says, im not ashamed of it

But you're a member, right?

At least you pay subscription?

If so thats something.

When I buy a new scene, I tend to go to models page & say 'bought to support', because frankly thats what I'm doing. I don't want to cheat.

Old cheaper scenes I don't feel the need to say this.

[zeusanalfreak299]

im the idiot for getting something for free instead of paying for it, riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight hahahahaha

Yes you are the idiot. Your mindset is not sustainable. If you would pay too, the prices would not be that high. The more piracy, the more loyal supporters need to pay. At the end, they are paying the whole show. At some point, they stop paying too. Then we don't have a specific level of quality. And now please explain to me if that would be smart, if you claim that you are not an idiot!?

Furthermore, if you don't buy, you don't influence the ranking and statistics in any way. If you would, models would do more scenes. More scenes of a specific category would be made.

Pay at least for your top favourites if you are living in the 3rd world, because pirating something doesn't make you smart. It's the most primitive action. Thats why we have full prisons with idiots. Or people who are wondering why quality porn is dying out.

[zeusanalfreak299]

the scenes on this website are insanely over priced , good for you for paying for them , i on the other hand will not.

dont care what you or anyone else says, im not ashamed of it

You don't need to be ashamed. You are obviously not intelligent enough to understand the consequences and all influencing factors within the big picture. Furthermore the economics of this not really profitable business. If you like extreme porn in the AV style and if you want to have it in the future, and if you would be smarter, then you would think and act totally different. But you aren't, that why I'm calling this behavior idiotic.

[Sir Noel]

the scenes on this website are insanely over priced , good for you for paying for them , i on the other hand will not.

dont care what you or anyone else says, im not ashamed of it

This is actually a deeper issue than it appears. There are elements of game theory and social contract theory involved.

In some ways, performing any anti-social behaviour that accrues benefits to the individual is "rational" if you can get away with it such that the benefits are not incurring a prohibitive cost. However, the game theory aspect is that if too many people act likewise then we all lose out (the store goes out of business through theft, or we get stolen from as often as we steal from others etc) and so we end up with a situation where whilst you can claim it is strictly rational to act in ways which are selfish and socially harmful, equally it is true that it is rational for us to decry and thereby attempt to dissuade others from acting in that way. If your acts of piracy become "normalised" and regarded as acceptable then they end up as a net negative over no piracy for anyone once everyone starts doing it.

To cut to the chase: if you want to take this cold and calculating analysis then, sure, your choice to steal is rational but my choice to despise and condemn you for doing so is every bit as rational.

[chemonro15]

its not that deep lol

i can get X for free or i can pay for X


i get X for free


its pretty simple guys

you guys can keep the money rolling in and ill download online lol.

[chemonro15]

been around legalporno since 2015 and ive never bought 1 scene lol, downloaded at least 500 i would say.

[netzerkaiser]

been around legalporno since 2015 and ive never bought 1 scene lol, downloaded at least 500 i would say.

I ask again: You pay the subscription, right?

[sendmoreclowns]

its not that deep lol

i can get X for free or i can pay for X


i get X for free


its pretty simple guys

you guys can keep the money rolling in and ill download online lol.

Well, at least you understand that it's only through other people bankrolling your sense of entitlement that you're able to brag about not being one of those suckers who pays for porn. Admitting it doesn't make you any smarter than someone who does pay, though. It just says you believe you're entitled to free shit. And while it's certainly nice to get shit for free, none of us are entitled to it, no matter how we may try to rationalize it.

Huge quantities of the entertainment or information produced during the last decade or so will eventually succumb to data rot or some other form of degradation without the benefit of time-consuming & expensive maintenance. All the music, movies, books, etc that don't exist in physical form because there's no longer any money in physical media likely won't exist to be rediscovered in 10, 15, 20 years like an obscure 70s rock record or a cult movie that was only ever available to buy on VHS in the 1980s. Most of it will just sit forgotten on failed hard-drives or locked away in the vaults of acquisition-happy corporations that eat up smaller companies in pursuit of market share and don't even know what it is they're buying half the time.

My point is this; entertainment and information haven't lost their intrinsic value, but what's changed is the number of people who recognise that value and accept that if you want these things, or if you want them to a certain standard, then you have to pay. Same goes for porn. No matter how much of it you get for nothing, there'll never be a resale market for degraded 1080 rips of Kristy Black being pissed on by half-a-dozen guys the way there might be for a DVD or a Blu-Ray of the same thing. But what do you care? You didn't pay for any of it, right? You might be eating for free now but eventually, if nobody pays then nobody produces. Nothing lasts forever.

I won't bother wasting time telling you you're wrong or trying to convince you to change your habits. You're not going to, and besides it makes no difference to me either way. The same tech that gives you, me or anyone else the ability to argue about this topic is essentially the same tech that enables you, me or anyone else to get our porn for nothing. It is what it is and the genie is out of the bottle, but the law of diminishing returns still applies, and when there aren't enough paying customers to keep a company in business, you'll just have to freeload off someone else.

[davebowman]

I don't really understand why freeloaders are allowed to post on this forum anyway. Who cares what their options are? They don't contribute anything financially to any of the studios or models on this site, so why should anyone listen to them?

[zeusanalfreak299]

I will never understand people who don't want to pay for porn, but $5-8 for a coffee at Starbucks. Or $7-10 for one pack of cigarettes.

[RUShersgapersrises]

Sensitive topic.Every one of us from time to time,lets say,get some video somewhere else and/or piracyng.One would say that given the current state and rate,this industry would have to go bankrupt a long time ago but that isnt the case.It will always be about the number of supporters and not about the size of the donation,i.e. the more supporters and smaller ones the better,apart from a few who will subsidize large amounts.On it alludes even in the current environment of the site (overwhelmed...) which can just discourage some old regular supporters,but Id digress.

Thanks a lot to zeus for his post.I do it similarly.Once every few days I choose mostly 4-6 scenes based on the trailers and then,lets say,I will check them and then the one I like the most or sometimes 2,I will buy.My support is rather symbolic as efforts to favor certain preferences or perhaps due to some kind of karma (in short,you cant only take and give nothing,and if you do,it will manifest itself elsewhere).My impuls to join was Natashas scene with DAfisting,resp. fist+dick fuck and unforgettable doggy gape.As for Alysa,unfortunately she never to do regularly releases here.

I would like to offer still another point of view.Whats the difference if the platform only "undershielding" the best productions/studios and make chargeable some previously released vids but does not offer any added value,only members pay more?I had the feeling that it was all based on benefit of the popularity of the already established models at that time.Some of them then not perform as before and not releasing so much.I ignored this site at the time - perhaps unfairly or unjustifiably.

I didnt always have so many financial resources and I think the average person will find countless other reasons to spend their little earned money...even more so today.And if someone wants to condemn that dont spend them for watching sick things,himself is sick.

And for all the righteous - People in the 3rd world arent responsible for their robbed and impoverished countries,serving as a colonys of cheap (or others, that ..?) work forces and reservoirs of sources,by those "developed and welldemocratic",dont have to buy/support porn and finally theyre marked as pirates or asocial
ones.Well sure,who wouldnt sell his kidney so to do that some 200kg illiterate ami can watching porn.Completely enough that despaired people from 3rd world have to resort to do this and moreover they should finance it..?I dont want to reach anyone into his conscient but this way can consider only sikbrain and psychopath.

At the same time writing how easily is download scenes there or elsewhere and mocking to others that they pays also tells many.But Im on the forum of pervs so what I am surprised...Why I actually write it all that??

[Jocke]

I buy scenes here. I don't have to but I hope to contribute to the livelihood of all these great performers and directors who provide us with all this pleasure.
I don't care if someone else watch pirated porn as long we are a sufficient number who pays.
I also send money to Ukraine. I don't have to and I don't tell other people they should but for me it is a great feeling.
Some feel good when they steal and others feel good when they contribute. I guess we are just different types of people.

Then, I wouldn't feel bad for in addition having watched something else that was provided for free especially not vintage porn that has already earned much more than the production cost and where none of the money goes to the actors or to new production.

[YuriyProneBone]

For me it was never an option because I always want to have the best video quality possible.

Nowadays you can probably get some decent 1080p videos, but if 4K is an option, I want that, so I would rather pay.

Also when you buy you can choose the specific scene you want, and not everything is available for piracy.

At the same time the goal is to support seeing the girls getting fucked, so piracy doesn't help that.

I'm also a completionist, so even back in the day I wanted to subscribe because I wanted the whole collection.

The only thing that sucks now is that pretty much all paid material comes with watermarks, some worst than others.

It is done to fight piracy, and for promotion, but it is still annoying because you are paying.

Back in the day you felt your money paid was more worth it because you didn't have to deal with those watermarks.

Some sites are worst than others. So if the watermark is really ugly, distracting, and big, I would say it may actually be justified to do piracy, but that would be the only exception.

Because it doesn't matter if the business goes to shit, they should no better not to ruin their content with that.

In fact the only way I would ot complaint about price increase is if the video has no watermarks whatsoever.

I don't mind intros or credits, but I really hate watermarks during the video.

The worst thing is that people like that actually pay for stuff are the ones getting punished with watermarks by those that don't pay.

It is unfair, but there is no much a client can do about it.

[davebowman]

The worst thing is that people like that actually pay for stuff are the ones getting punished with watermarks by those that don't pay.

I hear you on that. Was watching a great Giorgio scene today with Barbie Sins and Tabitha Poison - which I paid for - and the thing was riddled with distracting yellow 'anti-piracy' squares that kept flashing over the actresses faces and legs. And most annoyingly, it doesn't seem to stop people pirating scenes anyway.

[Vancouver]

Controversial question: Is piracy EVER an option?

I say this because I'm into 1990's stuff, & to get it legit is

1) either frankly impossible

or

2) ridiculously expensive.

For example, 1990's beauty like this theres little choice...

https://www.iafd.com/person.rme/perfid= ... orgina.htm

What you say?

If you pay your LP & whatever other sites, what harm in getting for example DBM 1990's stuff that is only easily acquired through piracy but practically impossible otherwise?

I'm interested in your opinions.

I dont see any ethical issues with pirating inactive content from 2 decades ago. Many of those studios are out of business, the performers are long gone from the industry, and its just being sold at ridiculous prices by sites who bought the content at a bargain. If there is not a reasonable common sense option in the marketplace, then that is the fault of the content owner for not providing reasonable access to the material.

If too many people pirate something, that is a message to the content owners to change. So in your case, I think you are just fine.

[Vancouver]

Further to my last post; if the original content creators have no benefit (which is likely with almost anything from the 1990s porn industry), then you are not hurting anyone. You are not stealing from their hard work. Again, if the current owners of the content are price gouging that is their issue to address.

[netzerkaiser]

Further to my last post; if the original content creators have no benefit (which is likely with almost anything from the 1990s porn industry), then you are not hurting anyone. You are not stealing from their hard work. Again, if the current owners of the content are price gouging that is their issue to address.

Thanks Brother. Thanks to all for your thoughtful insights, & thanks to LP | AV for hosting what is, a sensitive thread.

[sumacs3]

Hi. This is a great thread. The whole spectrum of input!

I am a porn preservationist and sometimes want a video from a defunct site.
The video is nowhere to be found except maybe on another fan's hard drive.

I would gladly pay the original producers but they too are usually nowhere to be found. When I do locate a producer, most of the time I receive no reply to my email. There really can be quite a wall of anonymity.

Amber Chase owns the rights to the videos from the defunct site bellezzavideo.com. I joined her OF to offer her $75 for the HD version of the Sophie Strauss scene in Bellezza Vol. 1. I have the DVD, but could not find it in HD, so I took a chance and hoped that she might still have it. She said the original masters ended up in a landfill, but she did have the website HD version and sent it.

Unfortunately, many in the industry consider their porn to be ultimately disposable. Many sites delete their older scenes as if those scenes no longer matter. So you are left to scramble to find what might be out there somewhere. Especially if you have a favorite model you collect.

It is as if you care more about the porn they produced than they do.

It is something like trying to prevent a species from going extinct.
Nicely done porn is like a work of art!

I admit that I once offered $35 to a fan at another porn forum for a copy of a rare video. But I would have paid twice that to the producers had I been able to. The video helped me nearly complete my collection of this model's works. Her initials are JR.

I am neither ashamed of nor proud of my choice to acquire this video.
But I am grateful to have it.

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[visigoth2020260]

This is a topic that should not be brought about
It might seem that someone wants information on
How and where to get it.
It is not the same to get a 2 GB file than the original
From AV, if I had the money I’ll buy it, believe me there’s is
A huge difference.

But the site has insane prices and that will make people
Look for alternatives and will eventually kill AV.

In the days of vhs I pay top dollars for my porn.
And when I rented from the video store, i made my own copies
with two vcr.
Once I had so many vhs that I sold some to the video store for
One dollar a piece, the rest I gave them away by the bags.

There are places where you can get everyday scenes for a monthly
Subscription. At 4K.
Maybe AI will help with piracy bu eventually will understand the need and give it out for free.

[visigoth2020260]

Everything is on YouTube.

[Seraph0257]

Hi. This is a great thread. The whole spectrum of input!

Unfortunately, many in the industry consider their porn to be ultimately disposable. Many sites delete their older scenes as if those scenes no longer matter. So you are left to scramble to find what might be out there somewhere. Especially if you have a favorite model you collect.

It is as if you care more about the porn they produced than they do.

True. Anyone remember Porn Star Punishment from Bzzzrzzz? Those videos are all gone. I lost a bunch with a faulty hard drive and they are all gone.

[sumacs3]

Anyone remember Porn Star Punishment from Bzzzrzzz? Those videos are all gone. I lost a bunch with a faulty hard drive and they are all gone.

Yes, The Glory Days of about 2010-2012, when that site was ahead of the game and offered Full HD video at 12000 kbps and full downloads. I have been a big Kelly Divine fan and she had about 30 videos there. One was over 6 GB in size. But then they watered down the resolution even of some already produced videos. I have been a member and how are you supposed to get the originals if the site only has the watered-down versions? You gave them the money they wanted, but you did not get the original quality of the videos you wanted and presumed they would still offer.

In the case of Pornstar Punishment material, Kelly's video, The Slutmother, is still at the site, but when I was a recent member, all of the roughest material had been deleted and the video was far shorter than the original. The title should have been revised to The Slutmother Abridged!

The thing is that if you don't want to be tempted to become a pirate, download things quickly and have a backup on a separate drive or medium. Don't trust the advertising at pornsites when they make it look like even the older videos are in Full HD. I have seen an originally 720p video with a Full HD (1080) label added, but before I joined I emailed about it and they said that it was really a 720p. So I did not join.

Also don't give up quickly when a site advertises falsely. I tried to get a Satine Phoenix water bondage video at Kink where they said it was at 720 but it was only 480 when I went to download it. When I complained, they courteously gave me a refund. Recently I joined a site that offered a chat with a weil-known porn producer, but when I joined there was no chat available. Again I complained, and after a bit of debate, was able to get a refund. When you get that refund, you are less likely to use piracy as a kind of revenge.

Again, to avoid the temptation to be a pirate, download while you can. My experience is that much porn begins to disappear after 15 years or so. But sites have been known to disappear without warning at any time.

One of my favorite sites was straponcum.com. I was a member four times. Their great material was again around 2010-2012, and was only at 720p, but they had nice camerawork and used 50 fps. With time, the same videos were reduced to 540p, and the great pics were reduced in resolution, too. So again, when you see great stuff, get it quickly. The scenes at the site were being remastered and then the site disappeared in the middle of 2022.

With regard to archival storage, I never have trusted hard drives, SD cards, or USB keys. They are easily dropped or lost, or mysteriously get faulty, as you say. I like to put great stuff on Blu-Ray M-Discs with a 25 GB capacity, usually two copies. You can drop a disc and not worry it might break. And M-Discs are more physically resistant to wear and tear. It does take some time to burn them, and many of us are in a rush, so if interested, make it a background activity if you can.

Original straponcum pics were at 2832x4256 or 4256x2832
Here are Roxie (Wendy Muller) and Agnes from that defunct site. Zoom for greater detail.