Heavy LP/AV/PB user survival tactics in times of inflation

[Ultra-Gape]

Realistically what is going to happen is that studios are going to see how their sales/revenue per scene go, and take it from there. No business is realistically going to put prices up and then just put them back down again because customers say they're unhappy about it, rather they'll see what customers actually do.

[cumdump]

Realistically what is going to happen is that studios are going to see how their sales/revenue per scene go, and take it from there. No business is realistically going to put prices up and then just put them back down again because customers say they're unhappy about it, rather they'll see what customers actually do.

hopefully adjusted to meet supply/demand and what is best for business.

[cumdump]

They (meaning AV/PB) will not do anything to address any concerns. They decided to devalue the tickets and then just pass it over to the individual studios. If any of those wants to take action, I’m sure AV/PB is fine with it. If a studio (looking at you, Giorgio) doesn’t care and just keeps hiking the prices, AV/PB is fine with that too.

This issue has gone on long enough to conclude most don’t care about customer loyalty, so I suggest to return the favour by holding on to your current strategy. I know I will. And yes, that has the unfortunate consequence that studios that do have fair prices can get caught in the middle. Unfortunate, but we as customers are not to blame for that.

So AV/PB is pocketing the money through devaluation of the tickets?

[Ultra-Gape]

They (meaning AV/PB) will not do anything to address any concerns. They decided to devalue the tickets and then just pass it over to the individual studios. If any of those wants to take action, I’m sure AV/PB is fine with it. If a studio (looking at you, Giorgio) doesn’t care and just keeps hiking the prices, AV/PB is fine with that too.

This issue has gone on long enough to conclude most don’t care about customer loyalty, so I suggest to return the favour by holding on to your current strategy. I know I will. And yes, that has the unfortunate consequence that studios that do have fair prices can get caught in the middle. Unfortunate, but we as customers are not to blame for that.

So AV/PB is pocketing the money through devaluation of the tickets?

No, the $ value of each ticket is unchanged. The situation is no more complicated than studios are charging and getting more money for each scene sold.

[cumdump]

No, the $ value of each ticket is unchanged. The situation is no more complicated than studios are charging and getting more money for each scene sold.

so it is just a matter of ticket valuation then and scenes cost more, why not just offer better long term packages or some better offerings such as a free bonus scene every month at the end of the month or incentive if large amounts of tickets are spent at once, (Buy 4 scenes, get one free, or Buy 3 scenes, get one half off) something of that nature. Buy 10 scenes, get 2 free for the big spenders.

I was also thinking, for long term subscribers, lets say if they are subscribed or a Member for 6 months or maybe a Year, there should be some type of Loyalty Reward, some free Tickets or free Scenes or such as a Vote in a Fan's Choice Scenes.

I think the better way to do it is through the Studios though, since if there is Studio/Brand Loyalty, if we spend a lot with certain Studios, they should reward us with Loyalty with few free scenes, or Fan's Choice Voting on Multiple Choice of things they can/want to bring to life in scenes, but with actual vote, there may not be actual "Custom Content" but at least the majority will be able to vote on best choices of whatever the Studio is offering and is willing to shoot, this includes the Model, what type of scene it is and some of the positions, what props are used, the outfit, the types of finishes and endings.

[dap-addict]

I feel I'd better economize and apply these tactics now:
1) For each scene released after April 9th I first check in my wishlist, which scenes I have there for the same tkt price and which value I would get buying this one instead.
2) same again with older scenes in wishlist for half the ticket price, currently 5-6tkt. What value I get if I buy 2 old scenes instead of 1 new? - Here I reach my limits because I buy 80% DAP and only 10-20% 1on1 anal scenes.
3) Dont buy anything at all, but watch an old scene by the same girl offered that day instead - ideally a DAP scene.

Did some other users already develop some anti-TKT-inflation tactics?

I actually modified that a bit after some DM talks about production cost changes in last 16-17 months. Some fix costs went clearly out of hand with even double prices. Also some sex act fees got really crazy hight in Prague, especially DP fee. It reminds me of worst times in Bp about 15 years ago when good payed softcore alternatives arrived from US and girls offering hardcore porn acts started to demand fees out of space but studios often just had to give in. At that time I wanted to buy a Bibi Fox DAP and she wanted almost today going rate! But it was in 2008 or so! Crazy times!
Anyway, I see end user prices had to rise, maybe they should have risen already in New Year... but most studios were afraid to do it. Of course as a user I want my commodity as cheap as possible! But I always stressed my main concern was goodwill, establishing trust and communication.

Therefore I finally have re-charged my tickets now. And I moved to a bit more relaxed spending, but still based on a lot of pre-Devaluation-scenes.

I wonder what others did?
We are 6 weeks into price shock, but I think most agree that we want biz to survive and to support fairly produced porn and girls doing this line of work for us. -
For instance Yum, did you buy only 50tkt and only once so far? And others, did you adapt and how? Or are you still living in shock?

[YumYum74]

I wonder what others did?
We are 6 weeks into price shock, but I think most agree that we want biz to survive and to support fairly produced porn and girls doing this line of work for us. -
For instance Yum, did you buy only 50tkt and only once so far? And others, did you adapt and how? Or are you still living in shock?

I am still on my new rule: list scenes I want, and once I reach 50 tickets, I buy a 50 ticket package. Max is one scene per day (as opposed to before when I bought three scenes each day on average). I'm at around 40% of my pre-change spending, and I will keep it that way barring any positive changes.

Had a friendly chat with Giorgio outside the forum, I actually succeeded in staying calm too.
We talked for a bit, and I explained to him that I understand the reasons why things changed, but I will not change my spending to more normal levels even though my budget is big enough. Reason for that is that I don't agree with how this change was implemented, and right now I simply don't trust PB with my money. If they somehow regain my trust, I'll be more than happy to go back to my usual spending (within my budget ofc).
Exception is for when I can spend it in one go, so there is no residual ticket value left once I hit 'buy' . Ergo the 50 tkt limit.

Anyway, I'm gonna try to let this rest for now on the forum. No need to get tempers flying again, so like I said before, if you want more of my personal reasons, send me a message via Tw (see link below my user name).

[number1s]

Anyway, I see end user prices had to rise, maybe they should have risen already in New Year... but most studios were afraid to do it. Of course as a user I want my commodity as cheap as possible! But I always stressed my main concern was goodwill, establishing trust and communication.

Well, I don’t know what you have been told in DM but on this forum we were categorically told on more than occasion and by more than one individual that prices (in USD) did not change - rather the USD/TKT rate was adjusted. The mixed messages tend to undermine trust.

I had a large surplus of unused tickets which suffered a massive decline in value, without any warning.
A comparison was made to the increase in Utility prices but, in my country at least, these were signalled way in advance. Similarly Telecom companies warn of their price increases in advance.

So I am slowly working through the backlog of tickets. I have cancelled my subscription and think it unlikely that I will subscribe again. Why would I pay money up front to support such a business? I wouldn’t put it past them to repeat the same stunt. I’d likely follow Yum’s strategy of buying a limited number of tickets and immediately spending them on a shopping list, to avoid exposure to any further ‘devaluations’ that might arise.

[dap-addict]

Well, I don’t know what you have been told in DM but on this forum we were categorically told on more than occasion and by more than one individual that prices (in USD) did not change - rather the USD/TKT rate was adjusted. The mixed messages tend to undermine trust.

I had a large surplus of unused tickets which suffered a massive decline in value, without any warning.

I never had much of a surplus, thus it might be easier for me.
DM influenced my understanding of the situation, yes, but I also agree with your exposed communication troubles and lots of confusing and contradicting statements. To summarize they didnt gain my trust yet, but a bit of my goodwill.

I am much more conservative at shopping for sure, especially with new scenes prices +35% in tickets. I still buy mainly missing pre-devaluation released scenes I have on my wishlist.

[dap-addict]

edit:
This said the Vero/Adv 2-part DAP scene at around 11,5tkt I bought however at once even if the price in TKT was at least 25% higher than before devaluation and Czech inflation in April was also lower than 25%, around 14% actually.
But in this case I now understand that old TKT price cannot be sustainable for studio. Also be aware that higher price in tickets payed by users does actually result in more money for studio, even if price in $ didnt change. Thus if I want such scenes with AVLP GOATs shot again I thinkI have to support that scene because even the higher price (in tkt) is still pretty fair.

[magizi87]

There doesn't seem to be a single movie released in 2022, in the top 100 scenes ever best seller page.

Giorgio Grandi best scene, by sales, was made in 2017, five years ago.
I stopped buying scenes mid 2019 I think, five years ago feels like a lifetime ago, lol.

Shouldn't numbers be getting higher as more people become aware of this place?

When I look at the ratio of scenes on the top 100 best sellers, in regards to pissing vs no pissing,
I can't explain the logic behind GG strategy to release almost all scenes as pissing scenes.
where clearly almost all scenes in the top 100 have no pissing.

I obviously have a bias as no guy who very much dislikes that niche,
but come on, the evidence is clear as day IMO, I would love to hear why I am wrong.

I would love to say that the reason why I quit in the first place was the price,
as this thread suggests, but hmmm no, haha.

[xxxVIPERxxx]

There doesn't seem to be a single movie released in 2022, in the top 100 scenes ever best seller page.

Giorgio Grandi best scene, by sales, was made in 2017, five years ago.
I stopped buying scenes mid 2019 I think, five years ago feels like a lifetime ago, lol.

Shouldn't numbers be getting higher as more people become aware of this place?

When I look at the ratio of scenes on the top 100 best sellers, in regards to pissing vs no pissing,
I can't explain the logic behind GG strategy to release almost all scenes as pissing scenes.
where clearly almost all scenes in the top 100 have no pissing.

I obviously have a bias as no guy who very much dislikes that niche,
but come on, the evidence is clear as day IMO, I would love to hear why I am wrong.

I would love to say that the reason why I quit in the first place was the price,
as this thread suggests, but hmmm no, haha.

Well, to be fair...we are only in May of 2022. Also, LP used to charge only 4 to 5 tickets for their premium scenes. Nowadays, the cost of a scene has accelerated to 11.5+ tickets. Of course, I understand inflation. There are reasons why 2022 has no top 100 releases yet. Also, we are in the midst of a recession in many places in the world...with higher prices, higher cost of living etc. The stock markets also crashed in early 2020, and has still not fully recovered yet. I am sure that LPAV is still generating enough income to keep their studios afloat, with the top studios making a decent profit.

[avanfurwet]

I don't know.

The market is changing, with the development of other retail channels like OF, XVideos, P0rnhub etc.

Possibly sales per scene on PB are generally lower these days?

This could cause pressure on studios to raise prices and also bring danger of creating a vicious cirle where higher prices drive sales even lower.

I guess the studios are all trying to find the "sweet spot" for pricing to maximise their income.

And that previous era which provided scenes in the all-time top sellers list, maybe was also an era when LP/PB was not selling wet content?

[dap-addict]

You can't compare 2018 to 2022 in sales, you can't compare just 3 studios to over 20 studios.

But we have many threads for that question.
Here lets discuss what users can do to not suddenly spend +35% more for porn per month?

[Starrio]

I guess the studios are all trying to find the "sweet spot" for pricing to maximise their income.

If they keep videos between 5 and 8 tickets it is the sweet spot still. Anything more than that you start losing clients.

[dap-addict]

For me currently red line is at about 9TKT for single girl and 11,5TKT for double girl scene. I do limit myself to maximum 1 such scene per day and rather base my porn shopping on scenes released before April 11th I was missing than.
I guess I am down about 35% of my pre-devaluation spendings.
35% is a golden number so to say. LOL! Minus 40% would be too much for me. But I'd have to count exactly.

[Ultra-Gape]

There doesn't seem to be a single movie released in 2022, in the top 100 scenes ever best seller page.

A complication is that a comparison like that is always going to at least somewhat biased by how long a scene has been available for, since there has been longer for more people to watch its trailer and decide they want to buy it.

Looking for myself though I actually don't know how to get to see the top sellers properly now. If in Pornbox I go to Store, Top Sellers and then select 'Ever' for the year option then the top 5 scenes listed all include Loren Strawberry. I guess this must be because she's one of the few models Ive chosen to 'Follow' but it totally destroys the Top Sellers concept. Am I missing something?

[DPraved]

Looking for myself though I actually don't know how to get to see the top sellers properly now. If in Pornbox I go to Store, Top Sellers and then select 'Ever' for the year option then the top 5 scenes listed all include Loren Strawberry. I guess this must be because she's one of the few models Ive chosen to 'Follow' but it totally destroys the Top Sellers concept. Am I missing something?

I've noticed that as well. It seems our preferences get applied on everything now which pretty much invalidates any form of comparison since we all get different results.

The software running this site is turning into a complete mess with every new feature added and all the bugs they cause.

[Jocke]

I am running two parallel tracks.
I buy and watch if there is something to my liking.
I watch my whole backlog.

I am now at page 139 out of 232.

I thought it was a shame to not rewatch the old scenes and I now have sufficient number to have forgotten some of the old ones.

I was happy to find Kira Axe and also enjoyed Lola Fae pissing while taking cumshots. I then watched a scene on another site where Lola piss in the mouth of Tommy Pistol. Great scene in general. Very passionate and great photo. I wasn't aware that they did those things on regular porn sites.

I wish Lola could be persuaded back here.

[magizi87]

There doesn't seem to be a single movie released in 2022, in the top 100 scenes ever best seller page.

A complication is that a comparison like that is always going to at least somewhat biased by how long a scene has been available for, since there has been longer for more people to watch its trailer and decide they want to buy it.

Looking for myself though I actually don't know how to get to see the top sellers properly now. If in Pornbox I go to Store, Top Sellers and then select 'Ever' for the year option then the top 5 scenes listed all include Loren Strawberry. I guess this must be because she's one of the few models Ive chosen to 'Follow' but it totally destroys the Top Sellers concept. Am I missing something?

I had to log out and see an unbiased/unfiltered version of the top seller list.

[magizi87]

also, at a glance, 2021 seems under represented.

[xxxVIPERxxx]

Looking for myself though I actually don't know how to get to see the top sellers properly now. If in Pornbox I go to Store, Top Sellers and then select 'Ever' for the year option then the top 5 scenes listed all include Loren Strawberry. I guess this must be because she's one of the few models Ive chosen to 'Follow' but it totally destroys the Top Sellers concept. Am I missing something?

I've noticed that as well. It seems our preferences get applied on everything now which pretty much invalidates any form of comparison since we all get different results.

The software running this site is turning into a complete mess with every new feature added and all the bugs they cause.

They have software running this site? If so, I think it would improve the customer experience - if that said software was significantly upgraded!

[dap-addict]

I am running two parallel tracks.
I buy and watch if there is something to my liking.
I watch my whole backlog.

I am now at page 139 out of 232.

Thats a good tactic also for me, actually.

But I also just counted, I payed an average of 5,5$ per DAP @ AVLP since April 11th price rise. Its 3 pint of beer in a Czech pub or 1,5 pint in a neighboring country.
Not much really and sure healthier than 3 pint.

If my price mix made by picking old and some new DAPs stays at that level I'll keep that nice hobby!

[bbb13]

I am more selective now. I am no more impulsive in my purchases, no more insta-buy

[xxxVIPERxxx]

I am more selective now. I am no more impulsive in my purchases, no more insta-buy

Yes, it seems like every country is experiencing high inflation.
I live in a country which is experiencing 11% inflation, tremendously high, rising costs of living. Petrol for car, food and daily supplies, energy bills, etc all basic necessities are increasing significantly.

I too have to be a lot more selective, the above poster has it spot on. No more impulse purchases, no more insta-buys.

[drevokocur66]

Yup, getting more selective by the day.

[ToryLaneRulez]

I can only agree that more selective approach is now required

I topped up tickets the other day and was sad to see that 250 tickets is now £180 it used to be about £145 so increase of £35, then the scenes have also increased in price. Only Gonzo has shown some incredible value for money recently.

[Ultra-Gape]

I topped up tickets the other day and was sad to see that 250 tickets is now £180 it used to be about £145 so increase of £35,

Bear in mind that tickets can be bought more cheaply via a membership, both directly via the membership and then by subsequent 'reloads'. I can reload 120 tickets for £64.64, which is 54p per ticket vs the 72p per ticket you paid.

[dap-addict]

I too have to be a lot more selective, the above poster has it spot on. No more impulse purchases, no more insta-buys.

I still do INSTA_BUYs.
But try to avoid what I'd call blind impulse buys based on novelty.
Got more loyal to some studios instead, but with them also more selective.
I also do my shopping even more focused on DAP, my main porn watching interest, and almost completely stopped buying 1on1 anal intros, I did in the past to support newbie girls. Downside of this is it will become even more difficult for girls to get their career started if other users to the same.

I currently try to level my DAP spendings at 5,5$ per item, a price which seems still good for me. I do it by studio mix and two-girl scenes, which I usually dont mind. It allows me to pay up to around 11-12tkts for a DAP scene since if both girls perform the act I want. Problem is I also wanna buy all DAPbreakin's, which are single girl scenes usually and thus more expensive.
Porn shopping just got a lot trickier.

[DPraved]

VK just released a new scene with Hot Pearl https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/105083 at 4.5 tickets. That's half the price of recent 1on1 scenes from the Russian studios and a very affordable price I think.

I really hope the scene sells well enough for VK to continue releasing more affordable scenes and that other studios will follow suit with their 1on1 content..(Yes VGF, this means you! )

[dap-addict]

I think that Hot Pearl scene is so cheap because its only 22min.
Usually 1on1 scene double that length would be more expensive I guess.
But anyway, I do wish her luck and VL, too!


Generally 10 weeks after that drastic de facto price rise I find myself way settled with what happened. Yum was right stateing very early on that increased prices will stay. Girls and a sustainable studio based biz model for them were always the core of my AVLP support. Since I accepted what happened but decided just to not spend more for my porn, but to be more selective, I feel much better as a user.
I also talked with a lot of insiders about which also helped me.
Many aspects of what happened and why in that way in mid April I still dont understand. But fact is I narrowed my shopping even more towards DAP and moved on. I'll pay up to 5,5$ for that sex act bottled in a porn film, but ofc I am happy if I am able to get it for 3,5$ only as I did quite often before. Still 5,5$ are 2-3 pints of beer in my area and thats still a good alternative to me just to watch porn instead of drinking.

[dap-addict]

edit:

I'll pay up to 5,5$ for that sex act bottled in a porn film, but ofc I am happy if I am able to get it for 3,5$ only as I did quite often before.

Prices given after tkt conversions but bought with tickets still, and counted on an average after each porn shopping round of 10-15 scenes, not based on single scenes.
Ticket re-charges stay at 1-3 times per month as all 2020/21. Yes, its an expensive hobby, but there are many more expensive and similarly disposable spendings. Porn use is just a part of my lifestyle. And therefore it also defines a part of my living standards which cannot be kept at same level as before mid April'22 entirely by re-watching old AVLP scenes only, so much I found out during those 10 previous weeks.

[drevokocur66]

VK just released a new scene with Hot Pearl https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/105083 at 4.5 tickets. That's half the price of recent 1on1 scenes from the Russian studios and a very affordable price I think.

I really hope the scene sells well enough for VK to continue releasing more affordable scenes and that other studios will follow suit with their 1on1 content..(Yes VGF, this means you! )

VK needs more nastiness.

[Ultra-Gape]

VK just released a new scene with Hot Pearl https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/105083 at 4.5 tickets. That's half the price of recent 1on1 scenes from the Russian studios and a very affordable price I think.

I really hope the scene sells well enough for VK to continue releasing more affordable scenes and that other studios will follow suit with their 1on1 content..(Yes VGF, this means you! )

I initially thought there'd been a price drop too but then noticed how short the scene was. However, what I also spotted was than VK now have a monthly membership available that I'm sure they didn't last time I checked. It's unlimited streaming and up to 20 downloads per month, but for anyone (like me) interested in a fair few of their scenes it's going to work out a significantly cheaper option . (I've joined.)

[dap-addict]

I'll pay up to 5,5$ for DAP. (...) Prices given after tkt conversions but bought with tickets still, and counted on an average after each porn shopping round of 10-15 scenes, not based on single scenes.
Ticket re-charges stay at 1-3 times per month as all 2020/21. Yes, its an expensive hobby, but there are many more expensive and similarly disposable spendings. Porn use is just a part of my lifestyle.

1mt later its still the same. Average not above 5,5$ per DAP based usually on an around 10 scene porn shopping sample. With still rarely mixed in a free tkts DAP.
I think thats a way working out fine till end of this year, I hope so!

[dap-addict]

...this said if I'd fellow my porn shopper instinct uncontrolled I'd spend 120tkt even now for the still un-aquired DAP scenes published within the last 7 days from now.
Its a pity I can't just do that!

[faros1945]

hello, excuse me for my stupid question..probably there are many answers about but I don't find.....which is the different from tkt and free tkt?or better...which is the time that a scene pass from..."buy with xx tkt" to "buy with free tkt"?I my case not clear the count also in my profile...I have asome free tkt...and I'm happy..but why??it's depend how many time I charge normal tkt?Thanks in advance for help!

[Ultra-Gape]

hello, excuse me for my stupid question..probably there are many answers about but I don't find.....which is the different from tkt and free tkt?or better...which is the time that a scene pass from..."buy with xx tkt" to "buy with free tkt"?I my case not clear the count also in my profile...I have asome free tkt...and I'm happy..but why??it's depend how many time I charge normal tkt?Thanks in advance for help!

For context you might like to know that free tickets haven't existed for new members for many years now. I'm talking before I joined in December 2018 here.

[dap-addict]

Free tickets are allocated to old members of before a certain time, dont remember the year. If you go to the link provided in the number of your free tickets it brings you to all scenes you can buy with these loyality tickets for long time members. Its usually all GIO scenes older than 2 years and many gonzo scenes (but not all of them!) older than 2 years from the day you check. That means if you are interested in a scene which is 1y 11mt old you may wait 1mt more and it will be available for free tickets.

Somebody reminded me recently I had successfully fought for that old members loyalty reward during pre-previous ticket rise round. I had already forgotten, but nice to be reminded.

Anyway, free ticket allocation applies only to pretty long-time members of. In my case its 8,5 years now.

[faros1945]

thanks a lot for the answers. Now It's more clear. I am also a member from long time....so I understand the reasons