POLL: Fairest studio after 35% tkt price rise of 15th April?

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Most fair studio after 35% tkt price rise of 15th April 2022'

Poll ended at Mon May 30, 2022 5:39 pm

gonzo
12
20%
GIO/GL/XfreaX
9
15%
NRX
16
26%
Yummy
6
10%
AGO (Angelo Godshack Original)
3
5%
PAF (Pissing and Anal Fantasy)
6
10%
VK
2
3%
NTP (Natasha Teen Productions)
5
8%
LTP (Latin Teen Productions)
2
3%
N&F
0
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Re: POLL: Fairest studio after 35% tkt price rise of 15th April?

Postby dap-addict » Mon May 16, 2022 5:31 pm

Yep, thanks, Giorgio:
And now whats the difference between 25% and 35%?
Except that I have to pay the +35% and not you? ;)

YumYum74 wrote:There’s no chance in hell he’s turning this back, that much is clear, so just take his advice (and mine) and get your porn elsewhere.

Yep, and this is the result: :( :( :(
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Re: POLL: Fairest studio after 35% tkt price rise of 15th April?

Postby YumYum74 » Mon May 16, 2022 5:55 pm

Ok, so this fight is basically over, and we as customers have lost that fight (and so will smaller studios, I fear). So be it, there are other places to buy porn.

But there's still a remarkable disconnect. Paraphrasing here, obviously.

xxx: 'it's got nothing to do with inflation'
Gio: 'it's got something to do with inflation'

xxx: 'prices have gotten out of control'
Gio: 'my prices were too low and I had to increase them'

Yes I know, AV and Gio aren't the same thing but still quite noteworthy.

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Re: POLL: Fairest studio after 35% tkt price rise of 15th April?

Postby dap-addict » Mon May 16, 2022 6:26 pm

Yum, to the above let me add this from your meanwhile closed thread:
Giorgio Grandi wrote:Me and xxx conduct the business in each other interest. What is in his interested, it is in my interest too and the other way around

And now let us just think whether only avan was right and I didnt understand anything at all as usually. ;)


And let me add:
There is an easy solution to inflation ofc: In 1/2y prices rise by 25% to make up from forecasted Czech inflation of Dec. And when we complain Giorgio comes here and says he already posted mid May that he is still selling his scenes for too cheap. ;)
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Re: POLL: Fairest studio after 35% tkt price rise of 15th April?

Postby dap-addict » Mon May 16, 2022 6:30 pm

After so much of cynicism let me just make sure this my proposition doenst get lost, as well as the answer of Giorgio 1st post on this page refers to:
Giorgio Grandi wrote:
dap-addict wrote:Btw, I suggested to xxx a phasing in of that price every quarter of 2022. That might have avoided all these protests. But +35% at once is really a lot!

Did you check my post from June 15, 2021? I guess you did not.
Here you go:
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An amateur video of a girl fucking 15 minute with a friend, on "private platform" can cost 10-20$, on PB GL478 (just to make an example) is 8.3tkt = 4.56$

For reference.
80 USD -> 144 tkt
80/144=0,55$
Price for 1 ticket, 0.55$

Just saying: 5tkt=2.75$
Or better an example: GL478 is 8.3tkt = 4.56$

GL478 is underpriced at least 300-400% respect to an homemade content, but the production cost of the content on PB is hundreds of time more expensive.
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You are stubborn, yes you are.
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The price in $ of the scenes did not change because was correct also before. What changed is the conversion rate between the money you spend and the tickets you get.
How to explain it in a way no one used yet, which is not even totally correct but maybe you get the point: the discount you have now purchasing in tkt is less than before (as before maybe the discount you had was too much as I wrote on June 15, 2021).
So for accuracy the conversion changed and now the price in tkt provide a little discount and not a huge discount.

The price in tkt was too far away from the price in USD.
If you do not get it now, you wont get it never.

Btw, inflation in CZ at april 2022 +14.2% (its the 4th month of the year, analysis suggest an inflation over 25% this year), so no matter what the prices were going to rise.
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Re: POLL: Fairest studio after 35% tkt price rise of 15th April?

Postby Ultra-Gape » Mon May 16, 2022 9:00 pm

Ultimately this just boils down to businesses increasing their prices for business reasons and customers choosing if/how this will affect their purchasing decisions, like in any other part of the economy.

For balance, imagine a world where you'd never been able to see the sort of porn offered here, and ask yourself how much you'd pay for just a single scene? I can tell you it would be considerably more than what we pay for me! Obviously this isn't the reality but I do struggle to make a case for prices being as utterly unreasonable as some. I also, importantly, have no idea what the current financial realities may be in terms of porn studios operating a sustainable business. I suspect this is true of others...

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Re: POLL: Fairest studio after 35% tkt price rise of 15th April?

Postby PAFstudio » Tue May 17, 2022 12:04 am

Ultra-Gape wrote:Ultimately this just boils down to businesses increasing their prices for business reasons and customers choosing if/how this will affect their purchasing decisions, like in any other part of the economy.

For balance, imagine a world where you'd never been able to see the sort of porn offered here, and ask yourself how much you'd pay for just a single scene? I can tell you it would be considerably more than what we pay for me! Obviously this isn't the reality but I do struggle to make a case for prices being as utterly unreasonable as some. I also, importantly, have no idea what the current financial realities may be in terms of porn studios operating a sustainable business. I suspect this is true of others...

Read all guys please
gree with your opinion ... this seems like the typical case of the regular customer of a restaurant, yes Your favorite dishes for example at 5 $ and suddenly you go back and you see that the price has increased by 2 $ turn up your nose if instead it suddenly increases of 4 or 5 $ you get angry, in reality it is still a really good price but rightly for you it seems an incorrectness ... technically here there is not even this exchange problem the real problem is that to have the same tiket you must lower the price in dollars ... many of us have done it including me because we care about you fans and above all we believe in this platform, the problem is that the earnings are really lower than last year, and so there is this budget that does not adjust and not even we new studies are understanding why we have a very different drop in evaluation ... for how many pages this topic has it seems clear to me that no one has yet understood anything and you are starting to getting angry and wanting to give up this site is a wrong solution, fight for what is right ... experience has it that when someone speaks too technical in words that not even a notary or banker would use, it is because they do not want to be understood and really explained the situation and in fact you are contesting everything that is not right is actually still now you have not understood anything haha if
small studios that have got off to a great start have now found themselves producing less and all complain about the gains and there is a risk of losing investments due to this "inflation" ... how can a big studio survive that has to pay too employees, editors, cameramen, studio and lots of actors and actresses and is it possible to afford even whims if the earnings are the same for everyone? And why not all studies have the option of being highlighted on the home page? The problem here all comes from outside this platform, too many studios are bothering someone the problem is that many studios have been opened by actors who many have no longer had a job or are bored of being blackmailed, Pornbox in this has helped a lot the new creators to survive from this crap system, but this is not good for someone, greed is too strong and the lack of real power annoys it The blackmail to the Performers has increased more and more and unfortunately also small studies think that this is a solution to be imitated ... you have forgotten that we all work for the same site and by doing so you are creating problems for the fans and the owner of the site that allows us to work ... so to earn they need every now and then scenes with the top ten, you fans believe that we all studies are indispensable so to those who are aiming to sabotage the other studies, give us a cut because the situation can degenerate, instead let's do a big one collaboration, let's exchange the top ten and create a group to organize the work dates = more money for all the studios, more reasonable prices for the fans because the profits will be greater on any occasion and nobody will be envious of anyone ... if a studio earn well for the top can lower prices, no enemies but only brotherhood and union to save Pornbox and not lose the fans... Simple and achievable believe me and I did not use too technical terms, I hope that this collaboration will be realized...thank you for everything

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Re: POLL: Fairest studio after 35% tkt price rise of 15th April?

Postby magizi87 » Tue May 17, 2022 1:18 am

That PAFstudio guy needs to go back to school and relearn paragraphs.

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Re: POLL: Fairest studio after 35% tkt price rise of 15th April?

Postby YumYum74 » Tue May 17, 2022 1:33 am

magizi87 wrote:That PAFstudio guy needs to go back to school and relearn paragraphs.

:p


He is one of the few people willing to come here and comment on this. Good for him (or her).
That seems to be a little more relevant than commenting on the writing style of someone whose first language isn’t English.

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Re: POLL: Fairest studio after 35% tkt price rise of 15th April?

Postby PAFstudio » Tue May 17, 2022 1:45 am

YumYum74 wrote:
magizi87 wrote:That PAFstudio guy needs to go back to school and relearn paragraphs.

:p


He is one of the few people willing to come here and comment on this. Good for him (or her).
That seems to be a little more relevant than commenting on the writing style of someone whose first language isn’t English.

Thank you dear... unfortunately for some instead of identifying what the real problem is more important to be witty, probably it will be someone who collaborates for other studies that try to sabotage and has felt hit ... I gave you a real solution and explanation of the problem is above all the only one to have offered a real solution And beneficial for everyone...no studios war, no blackmails, sheer the top actress with intelligent group organised , good selling for all studio, and good price tiket for the fun because if the selling is good we can put low price...end

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Re: POLL: Fairest studio after 35% tkt price rise of 15th April?

Postby dap-addict » Tue May 17, 2022 3:51 am

dap-addict wrote:
YumYum74 wrote:There’s no chance in hell he’s turning this back, that much is clear, so just take his advice (and mine) and get your porn elsewhere.

Yep, and this is the result: :( :( :(
viewtopic.php?f=96&t=42422&p=648740#p648740

Hey, thats interesting! ;)
Did sb maybe make a screenshot before that poll was gone?
I ask as results may not have fit desired outcome - at the same time I do excuse if I broke some forum rules. I didnt mean to be negative, just honest from my POV. :confused:
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Re: POLL: Fairest studio after 35% tkt price rise of 15th April?

Postby dap-addict » Tue May 17, 2022 3:53 am

On a side note: gonzo, AGO and N&F are fair in my book / my loyal users POV today!
I hope others support them, too!
They got way little votes. :( :confused:
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Re: POLL: Fairest studio after 35% tkt price rise of 15th April?

Postby Giorgio Grandi » Tue May 17, 2022 9:57 am

dap-addict wrote:
dap-addict wrote:
YumYum74 wrote:There’s no chance in hell he’s turning this back, that much is clear, so just take his advice (and mine) and get your porn elsewhere.

Yep, and this is the result: :( :( :(
viewtopic.php?f=96&t=42422&p=648740#p648740

Hey, thats interesting! ;)
Did sb maybe make a screenshot before that poll was gone?
I ask as results may not have fit desired outcome - at the same time I do excuse if I broke some forum rules. I didnt mean to be negative, just honest from my POV. :confused:


In other forums, the other forums where I use to write, you would be already at least busted, if not banned.
The point is not what you write, the point is that you write basically the same stuff all over for the last 30 days or more without stop and, as soon you get an answer that suppose to close the topic, you simply ignore the answer and continue in the same way..
This is annoying and totally unnecessary. We got your point, me and xxx replied you several time with different point of view, but instead to just understand the answer is what it is, you just open another topic on the same matter like we did not even consider you.
We did consider you and we did answered you.
You know the answers to your questions, if you are not able to understand it or accept it, to open a new topic totally similar to the previous one is useless and drags the point into flat out confusion of many different topics.
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Re: POLL: Fairest studio after 35% tkt price rise of 15th April?

Postby dap-addict » Tue May 17, 2022 10:46 am

Giorgio Grandi wrote:This is annoying and totally unnecessary. We got your point, me and xxx replied you several time with different point of view, but instead to just understand the answer is what it is, you just open another topic on the same matter like we did not even consider you.
We did consider you and we did answered you.
You know the answers to your questions.

I know it was a slippery slope. And I already excused above. It was born out of frustration. And you, Giorgio, know perfectly well how supportive of your studio I was for a very long time. I hope I can come back to that soon a again.

To summarize OP I see 3 tactics applied by studios to balance ticket devaluation of mid April:
1) Lower prices in USD and thus lower ticket prices to plus-minus level of March: gonzo, Yummy
2) Implement full 35% ticket price rise: GIO/GL
3) Trying to find a middle way by lowering ticket price rise again to a level of around 18%.

I guess all studios are still trying and probably we loyally paying users have to wait a bit more and see what happens.
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Re: POLL: Fairest studio after 35% tkt price rise of 15th April?

Postby PAFstudio » Tue May 17, 2022 12:22 pm

dap-addict wrote:
Giorgio Grandi wrote:This is annoying and totally unnecessary. We got your point, me and xxx replied you several time with different point of view, but instead to just understand the answer is what it is, you just open another topic on the same matter like we did not even consider you.
We did consider you and we did answered you.
You know the answers to your questions.

I know it was a slippery slope. And I already excused above. It was born out of frustration. And you, Giorgio, know perfectly well how supportive of your studio I was for a very long time. I hope I can come back to that soon a again.

To summarize OP I see 3 tactics applied by studios to balance ticket devaluation of mid April:
1) Lower prices in USD and thus lower ticket prices to plus-minus level of March: gonzo, Yummy
2) Implement full 35% ticket price rise: GIO/GL
3) Trying to find a middle way by lowering ticket price rise again to a level of around 18%.

I guess all studios are still trying and probably we loyally paying users have to wait a bit more and see what happens.

It's an endless battle... I gave the suggestion to all ... as you understood I hope we small studios if we lower too much we risk losing, it is a problem that instead there would not be if we used all the girls in the ranking of the top because with them at any price you earn ... THE PROBLEM IS THAT THERE IS A STUPID BATTLE BETWEEN THE STUDIOS AND THEY BLACKMAIL THE BEST MODELS... SO LET'S MAKE A REAL GROUP WITH ALL THE STUDIES AND ESTABLISH MANDATORY MONTHLY DATES TO MAKE WORK MORE THE ACTRESS ESPECIALLY THE TOP, SO EVERYONE HAS A GOOD INCOME AND CONSEQUENTLY WE CAN LOWER THE PRICE A LOT BECAUSE ANYWAY USING THE TOP ACTRESSES ALLOWS YOU TO RECOVER EVEN THE MONEY OF OTHERS SCENES...It's a really good solution For everyone...I hope it will be considered and stop please all stupid mentality about blackmails and who is the best in the world, we work for the same platform is more important Don't lose the fans and Credibility, we can work like a big family... Please

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Re: POLL: Fairest studio after 35% tkt price rise of 15th April?

Postby dap-addict » Tue May 17, 2022 12:50 pm

PAFstudio wrote:It's a really good solution For everyone...I hope it will be considered and stop please all stupid mentality about blackmails and who is the best in the world, we work for the same platform is more important Don't lose the fans and Credibility, we can work like a big family... Please

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Postby dap-addict » Tue May 17, 2022 12:52 pm

Forgot to highlight this in bold:
PAFstudio wrote:Don't lose the fans and Credibility, we can work like a big family... Please[/b]

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Re: POLL: Fairest studio after 35% tkt price rise of 15th April?

Postby Giorgio Grandi » Tue May 17, 2022 2:33 pm

dap-addict wrote:
Giorgio Grandi wrote:This is annoying and totally unnecessary. We got your point, me and xxx replied you several time with different point of view, but instead to just understand the answer is what it is, you just open another topic on the same matter like we did not even consider you.
We did consider you and we did answered you.
You know the answers to your questions.

I know it was a slippery slope. And I already excused above. It was born out of frustration. And you, Giorgio, know perfectly well how supportive of your studio I was for a very long time. I hope I can come back to that soon a again.

To summarize OP I see 3 tactics applied by studios to balance ticket devaluation of mid April:
1) Lower prices in USD and thus lower ticket prices to plus-minus level of March: gonzo, Yummy
2) Implement full 35% ticket price rise: GIO/GL
3) Trying to find a middle way by lowering ticket price rise again to a level of around 18%.

I guess all studios are still trying and probably we loyally paying users have to wait a bit more and see what happens.


Thats a total nonsense.
You summarise by studio that have very different output about the quality of girls/content, about the number of scenes released, about the risk they take on new girls and about the cost of production and probably about the short terms plans.
Is like to compare cars that belongs to different segments.
It is totally senseless.
You can not compare ME to others, because me and the others are VERY DIFFERENT. And I want to be clear, I am not stating I am better, I am stating I am different (as also gonzo and Yummy are totally different)

There is no way to find a balance, because there is no balance needed.

To see what happens is pretty easy, you do not really need rocket science to understand the future in this condition. We are not into a socialistic business environment where everyone needs to be happy (or un-happy, I mean studios, users etc). Porn is and was and will be a business environment based on liberalism and specially on this platform, where you buy each scene separately, you need to understand that if you feel something is too expensive, you just avoid to buy it.
You do not need to make a drama about it. The reason why YOU hold yourself on purchases is just your choice, the reason why you choose in this way it technically irrelevant simply because after you have been explained you, still stubbornly make comparisons that are totally based on no data and no logic.
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Re: POLL: Fairest studio after 35% tkt price rise of 15th April?

Postby dap-addict » Tue May 17, 2022 2:44 pm

Giorgio, what you fail to see is that that move of ticket devaluation has deeply shaken the trust of users (and I am not talking only about me!) to be treated fair here on this platform. Again, I say IF it had been a phasing in devaluation by 12% spread over 3 remaining quarters of 2022, it would have been easily swallowed. But it was a huge devaluation suddenly, unheralded and at once.
What you fail to acknowledge is that by this move xxx has destroyed a lot of trust and goodwill. And in the end its your job as studios and/or PB shareholders (if there is any?) to regain some of this trust again now.
What you fail to see is that there are also clients, customers, users and not only studios, not only biz, not only basic standing costs, not only risen electricity bills in Czech, not only girls - there is also us, the clients.
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Re: POLL: Fairest studio after 35% tkt price rise of 15th April?

Postby PAFstudio » Tue May 17, 2022 3:20 pm

dap-addict wrote:Giorgio, what you fail to see is that that move of ticket devaluation has deeply shaken the trust of users (and I am not talking only about me!) to be treated fair here on this platform. Again, I say IF it had been a phasing in devaluation by 12% spread over 3 remaining quarters of 2022, it would have been easily swallowed. But it was a huge devaluation suddenly, unheralded and at once.
What you fail to acknowledge is that by this move xxx has destroyed a lot of trust and goodwill. And in the end its your job as studios and/or PB shareholders (if there is any?) to regain some of this trust again now.
What you fail to see is that there are also clients, customers, users and not only studios, not only biz, not only basic standing costs, not only risen electricity bills in Czech, not only girls - there is also us, the clients.

In short, a dealer can have all the most beautiful cars but if there are no customers you do not sell them ... so the solution to use is this otherwise guys, the degenerate in place is so the ampante that I do not want to tell you I told you that it would happen ... so what should we do? Do we want to collaborate and make a group to earn everyone and allow fans to have quality videos or do we have to induce other actors and actresses to open other studios because they have no work? 'o again More serious... This sector must become like a war between street gangs and let's see who is harder to survive haha It also makes me laugh to say this thing When the solution is so simple...

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Re: POLL: Fairest studio after 35% tkt price rise of 15th April?

Postby Giorgio Grandi » Tue May 17, 2022 3:35 pm

dap-addict wrote:Giorgio, what you fail to see is that that move of ticket devaluation has deeply shaken the trust of users (and I am not talking only about me!) to be treated fair here on this platform. Again, I say IF it had been a phasing in devaluation by 12% spread over 3 remaining quarters of 2022, it would have been easily swallowed. But it was a huge devaluation suddenly, unheralded and at once.
What you fail to acknowledge is that by this move xxx has destroyed a lot of trust and goodwill. And in the end its your job as studios and/or PB shareholders (if there is any?) to regain some of this trust again now.
What you fail to see is that there are also clients, customers, users and not only studios, not only biz, not only basic standing costs, not only risen electricity bills in Czech, not only girls - there is also us, the clients.


I fail to see this?
of boy, really dap-addict, have you been drinking?

who came before, the product or the customer?
really think about it.
you arrived here because the product already exist and you keep coming because you liked/like the content. if there is no product there are no customer
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The conversion rate is changed for accuracy and to help the studios to get what they need. So the studio can set the price he wish.
(There are scenes released today at over 13tkt, with only 2 performers involved, do you know it? No you do not, because you are not interest in the content but someone else for sure is.)

Anyway... the role of XXX is protect the content and the content creators, distribute the content, balancing what the content creator NEEDS to get (money) and what you customer are willing to pay (money as well). At this point xxx invest on you, he purchase the content from us knowing you will purchase the scene for years.
He has more trust in you (plural) than what you have in him.

What trust should I gain back? The conversion rate is changed and I believe it wont change anymore (unless the tickets will disappear, no one can know exactly the future).
So I believe you can trust the system and xxx regarding the conversion rate.

Any studio can chose his strategy now
You do not like my strategy because the content became too much expensive? man, I am sorry about it, I really do, this is just my bad.
You do not like my strategy because xxx changed the conversion rate? man, what the fuck is wrong with you, tell me you do not not agree to spend more money on my content than the others and the topic is already closed, xxx has nothing to do with it.

Can you really understand you blaming XXX for the loss of "purchase power" when me, as studio, I could just change the price in usd and give you back the same "purchase power"?
Well, sorry mate, I am not going to do it, in the interest of the content, specially looking on short term, I believe this is a wrong strategy.

Now start to bullshit me with something like "oh yea GG, but if is was good before why is not good now...?"
Because NOW is not BEFORE my friend, I have very good reason for it (inflation is a matter, rising of cost and other stuff I do not really have the time to list you, but if you really want to know, I will do it in private, just send me a private message on pornbox)
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Re: POLL: Fairest studio after 35% tkt price rise of 15th April?

Postby dap-addict » Tue May 17, 2022 3:58 pm

Giorgio Grandi wrote:Because NOW is not BEFORE my friend, I have very good reason for it (inflation is a matter, rising of cost and other stuff I do not really have the time to list you, but if you really want to know, I will do it in private, just send me a private message on pornbox)

Thanks for this offer, Giorgio. But believe me I would like to ask you there via that chat option I have because I bought so much of GIO products, but I can't and I dont know why and support doenst help despite many posts here in support thread.
Anyway, there are maybe other ways to reach you?

Because honestly, I just need to feel I am treated fair again. I can spend 35% more money on my porn, I am still in that lucky position. But generally, PB and also studios just have to consider that not all users have income for such price hikes. ;)

But down bottom line I want this biz to be sustainable and users to to pay for porn and not to steal it. And about goodwill, yes you do re-build it by coming here and explain. Thanks for that, I do appreciate it! :)
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Postby Giorgio Grandi » Tue May 17, 2022 4:09 pm

dap-addict wrote:
Giorgio Grandi wrote:Because NOW is not BEFORE my friend, I have very good reason for it (inflation is a matter, rising of cost and other stuff I do not really have the time to list you, but if you really want to know, I will do it in private, just send me a private message on pornbox)

Thanks for this offer, Giorgio. But believe me I would like to ask you there via that chat option I have because I bought so much of GIO products, but I can't and I dont know why and support doenst help despite many posts here in support thread.
Anyway, there are maybe other ways to reach you?

Because honestly, I just need to feel I am treated fair again. I can spend 35% more money on my porn, I am still in that lucky position. But generally, PB and also studios just have to consider that not all users have income for such price hikes. ;)

But down bottom line I want this biz to be sustainable and users to to pay for porn and not to steal it. And about goodwill, yes you do re-build it by coming here and explain. Thanks for that, I do appreciate it! :)


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Postby dap-addict » Tue May 17, 2022 4:15 pm

Oh, gosh, I have first to re-install Skype.
Could you not copy it to a mail for dap-a@seznam.cz?
Would be much easier (for me now)...
Grazie! :)
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Re: POLL: Fairest studio after 35% tkt price rise of 15th April?

Postby Giorgio Grandi » Tue May 17, 2022 4:33 pm

dap-addict wrote:Oh, gosh, I have first to re-install Skype.
Could you not copy it to a mail for dap-a@seznam.cz?
Would be much easier (for me now)...
Grazie! :)


I did not write you anything special, it is not a metter we deal with one message
you want details? I give you details.

Contact me
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Postby dap-addict » Tue May 17, 2022 4:49 pm

Giorgio Grandi wrote:Contact me
[spam]: @xfreaxx
[spam]: @xfreaxx_cz

Ok, I have it basically, we used IG last time. I wrote there. Grazie ancora uno volta! :)
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Postby dap-addict » Wed May 18, 2022 10:58 am

I see still votes coming and I see ppl starting to appreciate that studio directors come here and share their view. :)

Generally fairness and communication assessment is ofc easier than fairness and price assessment. We see here for instance that studios shooting outside of Europe had less trouble to keep prices closer to pre-April levels. I'm not well informed about Latina internal rates, but I guess porn can get shot at a lower price than in Europe.
Another factor are ofc fixed costs. The bigger a studio is the bigger the fixed costs. If a small studio has just 1 person able to manage all and maybe even do MU its also easier to cut ticket prices than for bigger studios.
I write this here because I might have over-simplified some factors in the past few weeks. This said there is still some trust and goodwill to be won back, because that ticket devaluation move came so much all over a sudden and first explanations were not very accessible for users and fans sadly. Maybe PB would need a PR manager? ;)
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1 new vote in almost 24h only. :(
Would sb who voted already cast his votes differently now after those weeks gone? Why? And how?
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Postby YumYum74 » Thu May 19, 2022 9:35 am

dap-addict wrote:1 new vote in almost 24h only. :(
Would sb who voted already cast his votes differently now after those weeks gone? Why? And how?


I didn’t vote for NRX but it surprises me they have the most votes. Nick regularly releases 1v1 scenes that cost almost 10 tickets. Even Giorgio doesn’t have prices for those types of scenes (yet).

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Postby Ultra-Gape » Thu May 19, 2022 9:43 am

dap-addict wrote:1 new vote in almost 24h only. :(
Would sb who voted already cast his votes differently now after those weeks gone? Why? And how?


The longer this poll runs the less meaningful it becomes I think, since prices are changing all the time. A periodic snapshot may be more useful if you really want to gauge this?

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Postby Ultra-Gape » Thu May 19, 2022 9:44 am

YumYum74 wrote:
dap-addict wrote:I didn’t vote for NRX but it surprises me they have the most votes. Nick regularly releases 1v1 scenes that cost almost 10 tickets. Even Giorgio doesn’t have prices for those types of scenes (yet).


The availability of the monthly subscription probably explains this I think.

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Postby Ultra-Gape » Thu May 19, 2022 9:45 am

^Sorry the quoting got messed up above. I really wish we could edit posts here.

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Postby avanfurwet » Thu May 19, 2022 9:47 am

Ultra-Gape wrote:^Sorry the quoting got messed up above. I really wish we could edit posts here.

I really wish I could learn to press "Preview" before "Submit".

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Postby Ultra-Gape » Thu May 19, 2022 9:53 am

avanfurwet wrote:
Ultra-Gape wrote:^Sorry the quoting got messed up above. I really wish we could edit posts here.

I really wish I could learn to press "Preview" before "Submit".


I'm trying to, and often do, but clearly failed above. A simple 'sad face' emoji to be able to put at the end of that sentence would be good to have too!

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Re: POLL: Fairest studio after 35% tkt price rise of 15th April?

Postby Oscar Batty » Thu May 19, 2022 9:29 pm

dap-addict wrote:We see here for instance that studios shooting outside of Europe had less trouble to keep prices closer to pre-April levels. I'm not well informed about Latina internal rates, but I guess porn can get shot at a lower price than in Europe.
Another factor are ofc fixed costs. )


I dont know who you are referring but I had a discussion last month with another producer shooting in Brazil who was in the same situation as myself.
Here I will talk about myself, I have significally reduced the price of my DP and DAP scenes, the end result are very bad which is the reason I am not more releasing DP or DAP scenes, investing money in finding new girls able to record anal and I stopped producing DAP/DP scenes till I have till I adapt myself to the new system which at the moment I think favorise best the big studios with a lot of old scenes (The new changes also helps to generate more money on the older scenes since the 14 days rules was removed by PB.).

I dont want to comment more about things that do not concern fans since I am still waiting for XXX response to some suggestions that I sent to him for improve better communication between PB and the studios.
I hope some of you guys will understand that we are all going into difficult times and hopefully we will soon overcome this. Please keep supporting the site and us and remember that we always take seriously your concerns.

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Postby Ultra-Gape » Thu May 19, 2022 10:06 pm

Oscar Batty wrote:(The new changes also helps to generate more money on the older scenes since the 14 days rules was removed by PB.).


This was discussed above a still being used? As per this link:

https://www.sheer.com/terms-and-conditions

It must be more complex.

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Postby Giorgio Grandi » Thu May 19, 2022 11:15 pm

Ultra-Gape wrote:
Oscar Batty wrote:(The new changes also helps to generate more money on the older scenes since the 14 days rules was removed by PB.).


This was discussed above a still being used? As per this link:

https://www.sheer.com/terms-and-conditions

It must be more complex.


The link is correct.
"Our system will calculate a long term, projected 3-year monetary value. This is completed within 15 days of the video being live on our Network"

Than there is an update we can see in our admin
"Exclusive content earnings projections are now continuously adjusted even after 15 days BUT only if they went UP. If the projection goes down, you keep the same upfront money."
"Additionally, your content can now generate even more income after 3 years (the period used in projection) INDEFINITELY."

So it is very simple: basically the system after 14 days calculate a payout, in the case the scene sells better than estimated, studios continue to get a cut. In the case the estimation was too high, for the studio nothing change, INDEFINITELY.

So the system is really philanthropic. I have been in this industry for 20 years and there is nothing in the market like this, not even close.

Covid and war made all harder, for everyone.
It is not the increasing of production cost only, inflation, problem with travel, and issues related to the production. It is also about the members. We lost UA and RU (maybe not the top selling country, but specially russia is a big country that love porn).
In europe there is a huge crisis and will be worse.

It is very important to "tune" the production accordingly as for "what to shoot" as for "how to sell it"
Sometimes just to release a content or another in a given day can make the some difference.
So experience metter a lot on, about when and how to release.

I changed 3/4 of my production process in the last 2-3 months or so, to compensate the issues. Investing and not cutting.

It is a simple matter: adapt or die.
Most studio will adapt and move on
Some will die or give up or be more and more errant.
Same topic for users

This is how economy works.
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Postby Jocke » Thu May 19, 2022 11:23 pm

In europe there is a huge crisis and will be worse.

Giorgio, what crisis are you referring to?
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Re: POLL: Fairest studio after 35% tkt price rise of 15th April?

Postby Giorgio Grandi » Thu May 19, 2022 11:32 pm

Jocke wrote:
In europe there is a huge crisis and will be worse.

Giorgio, what crisis are you referring to?


Really this question?

The bill of electricity and gas of my brother, in italy, increase almost 6 time compared with his previous agreement with his provider.
6 fucking times!
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Postby Giorgio Grandi » Thu May 19, 2022 11:33 pm

Edit

Really this question?

The bill of electricity and gas of my brother, in italy, increases almost 6 time compared with his previous agreement with his provider.
6 fucking times!
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Re: POLL: Fairest studio after 35% tkt price rise of 15th April?

Postby Oscar Batty » Thu May 19, 2022 11:55 pm

Ultra-Gape wrote:
Oscar Batty wrote:(The new changes also helps to generate more money on the older scenes since the 14 days rules was removed by PB.).


This was discussed above a still being used? As per this link:

https://www.sheer.com/terms-and-conditions

It must be more complex.


I seriously dont want to continue these discussions in public but i will add this to answer you, that link need to be updated . What it is not told here was already told by XXX that I will quote below. As said previously this system is very good if you have tons of old scenes as now PB is not just providing for the 3 years sales, calculated in 14 or 15 days, but you also earn more money from your old scenes.

The catch here is that the 3 years package that we receive after 14 days have been reduced this is not just my words by xxx confirmed it as per quote below. Making it difficult to get the huge package we used to get 15 days after the release before the changes done in the beginning of this year.

Here is what xxx said and this is what I mean on my previous reply.

xxx wrote: They used to not get more money for exclusive content that is 3+ years (because they received a nice sum of cash already for it) but this was changed earlier this year for all content uploaded a year before that date and after.


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