POLL: Fairest studio after 35% tkt price rise of 15th April?

[dap-addict]

edit:
1 ticket is currently converted to 1,11 $
Thats pretty close to 1 : 1 parity.
And when this is reached tickets loose sense, lest user can get % off for buying them in bulk or for being loyal subscriber providing money up-front on a steady base.

Beginning of April 2022 1tkt would need to be converted to 1,5$ to match USD-price asked by most studios for the scene. Which was not the case if I understood xxx initial explanation in that closed thread in the right way.

[drevokocur66]

I care more about content than price, and what I care about even more is effort. I see increase of neither in this latest price increase.

[dap-addict]

I care more about content than price, and what I care about even more is effort. I see increase of neither in this latest price increase.

Because price increase seemingly was not studios initiative, but "just happened" collaterally by changing conversion rate of tickets to $. Studios dint even know this was planned it seems. So they could not get better ofc. The more that what they sell was shot before ticket value devaluation. Remember scenes are published not next day after shooting, but 1-2mt later.

I think we still have to wait 1mt at least to see the effects of that tkt to $ conversion decision taken suddenly and unheralded neither to us users nor to studios (it seems).

In the meantime everybody from PB management to studios sure hopes we forget about it and just get used to pay 35% more for the same product.

And here I can a lot of trust, a lot of my 2nd April 2014 to 2nd April 2022 feeling to get treated fair by LP/AV/PB and to get fair prices for porn product - and also a lot of my goodwill has been destroyed.

[avanfurwet]

So the people at PAF must be one of the studios that don’t really understand what’s going on then? They literally say in the Mary Rider thread ‘it does not depend on us’.

Quote post below.

Thanks guys who support the studio soon we will make new scenes I hope prices are fine unfortunately this change of tiket is a bit 'influencing sales and we hope instead that it is solved at best to be able to make even more beautiful scenes, unfortunately now it does not depend on us I hope you appreziate for us it is important to meet your needs
Subscribe to sheer.com/jack23 for more discounts
Thanks PAF STUDIO

Yes, maybe. I don't know.

It seems to me that Pornbox (perhaps accidentallyy) have given the studios "cover" to allow their prices in tickets to rise by 35%.
When questioned, the studios can act dumb and say it is due to changes made by Pornbox.

Meanwhile Pornbox say that they advised studios to reduce their USD prices because they foresaw this could happen.

All we customers really know is that this new exchange rate has been in place for nearly a month, so it seems unlikely that studios have not yet noticed any changes to numbers of sales of their new releases, and revenues generated.

Since studios generally have not revised their prices back down to the old levels, we may suspect that Giorgio is right, and the market has rewarded the studios with more income even if they sold fewer copies.

I hope this theory is wrong, but I suspect it may be right.

[avanfurwet]

I care more about content than price, and what I care about even more is effort. I see increase of neither in this latest price increase.

Because price increase seemingly was not studios initiative, but "just happened" collaterally by changing conversion rate of tickets to $. Studios dint even know this was planned it seems. So they could not get better ofc. The more that what they sell was shot before ticket value devaluation. Remember scenes are published not next day after shooting, but 1-2mt later.

I think we still have to wait 1mt at least to see the effects of that tkt to $ conversion decision taken suddenly and unheralded neither to us users nor to studios (it seems).

In the meantime everybody from PB management to studios sure hopes we forget about it and just get used to pay 35% more for the same product.

And here I can a lot of trust, a lot of my 2nd April 2014 to 2nd April 2022 feeling to get treated fair by LP/AV/PB and to get fair prices for porn product - and also a lot of my goodwill has been destroyed.

Even after devaluation, I think that tickets are still the cheapest way to buy scenes in every case. So I don't understand Starrio's claims that "the discount is gone" and "the whole model is gone".

But I think XXX has previously written that he wants to replace the ticket system. Maybe you are right and resetting the exchange rate to be closer to parity with the USD is a step towards that?

[YumYum74]

So the people at PAF must be one of the studios that don’t really understand what’s going on then? They literally say in the Mary Rider thread ‘it does not depend on us’.

Yes, maybe. I don't know.

It seems to me that Pornbox (perhaps accidentallyy) have given the studios "cover" to allow their prices in tickets to rise by 35%.
When questioned, the studios can act dumb and say it is due to changes made by Pornbox.

Meanwhile Pornbox say that they advised studios to reduce their USD prices because they foresaw this could happen.

All we customers really know is that this new exchange rate has been in place for nearly a month, so it seems unlikely that studios have not yet noticed any changes to numbers of sales of their new releases, and revenues generated.

Since studios generally have not revised their prices back down to the old levels, we may suspect that Giorgio is right, and the market has rewarded the studios with more income even if they sold fewer copies.

I hope this theory is wrong, but I suspect it may be right.

Quite possible. It would certainly explain some of the generally dismissive responses to our questions/concerns. Why seriously engage when the numbers show you're getting away with it.

[dap-addict]

I envy Starrio that got an "admin edit" instead of his post being deleted without any explanation.

Btw, forum has been down today for a few hours probably for maintenance work. But somebody beyond me suddenly worried it might have gone or might return but with less options to comment and question or de-valuated thread numbers by 35% (ie. 4279 topics in General Forum instead of previously 6275 topics)?

[RUShersgapersrises]

The jump in prices is very suspicious and some of the "accused" here are understandable to me.Operators and studios do refute them,but believe in something today..And agree with others that whether this step was relevant or not, it will have an impact on the trust of members and I also very much agree with what is written here this man DPraved.

And some another points.The decision to buy a scene is an emotional affair, in my case for sure.I dont buy much, but scenes which are (exactly) according to my taste I am willing (even significantly) to support and pay extra.I take it as such "imprint".And I also think that this industrialized viewing (as in the locked topic) may discourage some specific members.

[dap-addict]

The decision to buy a scene is an emotional affair, in my case for sure.I dont buy much, but scenes which are (exactly) according to my taste I am willing (even significantly) to support and pay extra.

Strange, but it seems they put me already to this point by that unheralded 35% ticket value devaluation. And such a scene would be the stockinged and heeled Limar Cord DAPbreakin' today (https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/163779) and I would really get it even for a very nice price. But they made me stop buying additional tickets at PB altogether.
Also because markdown for bulk payment as a subscriber isn't 20% as it was before, its not even 10%, but only 4-5%.

[dap-addict]

edit: Only 4-5% compared to the non-subscriber 250tkt bulk pay option. So why subscribe to pornbox, hand them over steady money at all? The more as loyal subscribers, users and supporters are not valued at all as it seems.

[YumYum74]

Same. For the first time when running out of tickets, I have not recharged. I’m checking new releases now and making a list of (cheap) scenes I’d like and when that list reaches the amount of 50 tickets, I’ll recharge for 50 and buy them. I’m not really willing anymore to give PB money in advance, out of concern these tickets will be devalued again.

Downside for me is that I’m gonna be missing out on a lot of great content (the Lina Arian Gio scene comes to mind), but I’m putting my foot down on this and won’t be buying (or listing) scenes that are insanely overpriced (in my book). Barring any changes by PB that makes it all more fair to customers ofc.

[number1s]

when that list reaches the amount of 50 tickets, I’ll recharge for 50 and buy them. I’m not really willing anymore to give PB money in advance, out of concern these tickets will be devalued again.

Surely the way to go. I had the two month membership plan (now cancelled) providing 45 tickets a month. The 50 tickets purchase (without membership) actually works out marginally cheaper, so why provide PB with the regular income stream up front? The 100/250 ticket options are even cheaper but who wants to risk a large number of unspent tickets, the value of which could be slashed again at any moment without warning?

So your idea of a list is a good one - buy a ticket package when there are sufficient scenes of interest. (Means no more insta-buy!)

[Starrio]

[quote="avanfurwet"]So I don't understand Starrio's claims that "the discount is gone" and "the whole model is gone"./quote]

If you read the whole thing I said in other words at a significant discount, I believe you can still save 5% with tickets or 10% with membership, something like that, but the whole model that attracted buyers to buy multiple scenes in bulk because of the significant discount is gone.

The idea of having options to save significant amounts of money is engrained in capitalism and culture. As I mentioned before that's why big sales work, that's why Black Friday works, that's why discount outlets work, that's why promotions works, it is one of the biggest money driven tools in capitalism, and it is the same all over the world.

The tickets provided that, and naturally it was a tool driving sales for the studios. It was a good thing. This reaction would not have happened from the base if this wasn't significant.

[avanfurwet]

So I don't understand Starrio's claims that "the discount is gone" and "the whole model is gone"./quote]

If you read the whole thing I said in other words at a significant discount, I believe you can still save 5% with tickets or 10% with membership, something like that, but the whole model that attracted buyers to buy multiple scenes in bulk because of the significant discount is gone.

The idea of having options to save significant amounts of money is engrained in capitalism and culture. As I mentioned before that's why big sales work, that's why Black Friday works, that's why discount outlets work, that's why promotions works, it is one of the biggest money driven tools in capitalism, and it is the same all over the world.

The tickets provided that, and naturally it was a tool driving sales for the studios. It was a good thing. This reaction would not have happened from the base if this wasn't significant.

I think the model is intact. It just gives less of a discount after devaluation.

Even after devaluation, the discount is way more than 7%, unless we buy the smallest ticket packs which are uneconomic for Pornbox to administer.

We can work out what it actually costs us to buy the tickets which we can then exchange for scenes like GIO2120 Lina Arian priced at 11.08 tickets or "buy now" for $12.30

The only thing that matters is what a scene costs us now compared to before devaluation. The Lina Arian scene costs 35% more in tickets today than it would if it had been released in March.

[Starrio]

The only thing that matters is what a scene costs us now compared to before devaluation. The Lina Arian scene costs 35% more in tickets today than it would if it had been released in March.

correct

[Ultra-Gape]

Bear in mind that the cheaper 'reload tickets' option only exists for those with an active membership. For those without, a membership is considerably cheaper than the cost of just buying tickets.

The cheapest membership option is a £64 payment (I'm in the UK) for 3 months of 48 tickets per month. That works out at 44p/ticket.

Buying 50 tickets would cost £47.98, so a cost of 96p/ticket. Buying 250 tickets would cost £176.14, so a cost of 70p/ticket.

[Ultra-Gape]

Actually, I should have tested this first! I'd really thought I couldn't use the reload ticket option without an active membership (I don't have one right now) but it does seem it will let me buy 120 tickets for £64, so that's 53p/ticket. Still about 20% more expensive than a membership though.

[avanfurwet]

I think buying packs of 250 tickets is almost as cheap as buying a 3-month membership and reloads.
But with the risk that tickets could become devalued before you've spent them all, which is the problem faced by YumYum.

[dap-addict]

Same. For the first time when running out of tickets, I have not recharged.

Yum, did you ever compare 3-mt membership with 120tkt-relead option and 250tkt reload option before April 12th? I have the impression discount in % was bigger with membership than, while now its almost nothing, ie. those 4-5% cheaper only if you have a membership. But I haven't compared these options before.

[YumYum74]

Same. For the first time when running out of tickets, I have not recharged.

Yum, did you ever compare 3-mt membership with 120tkt-relead option and 250tkt reload option before April 12th? I have the impression discount in % was bigger with membership than, while now its almost nothing, ie. those 4-5% cheaper only if you have a membership. But I haven't compared these options before.

Honestly I have never fully compared, but I suspect a membership with reload option would indeed have been (somewhat?) cheaper than what I used to do (i.e. the 250 ticket packages without membership). Even though I knew that, I was still willing to pay more by using the 250 ticket option. Reason is that I've had some bad experiences with memberships on (other) porn sites, and I promised myself to stay away from memberships wherever I could. The content I found here was worth paying a little more in my book. I still stand by that, I would probably have kept going with the ticket packages as long as my budget allowed it. And then this happened.

So while it was a little more expensive compared to a membership, I naively assumed by going with the ticket packages I would be safer from getting screwed over. We all know how that turned out.

[Ultra-Gape]

I think buying packs of 250 tickets is almost as cheap as buying a 3-month membership and reloads.

For the costs to me I shared above the membership is about 37% cheaper. Are the relative costs different for where you live?

[dap-addict]

Well, today I am just wondering whether gonzo has now joined the GIO user testing approach of at how much higher a price I can sell my product?

The yesterday released Kristy Black 5on1 DAP is sold at 6,9tkt, while today Veronica Leal 3on1 DAP costs already 8,2tkt. So far it looked like gonzo lowered their price in $ to also lower their tkt price, such as xxx suggested to studios, which wouldnt wish to change anything after the sudden unheralded 35% ticket value devaluation of April 12th-15th.

This said ofc Verl Leal might ask for a much higher DAP fee than Kristy Black; also studs work for much lower fee than girls ofc. Difference in end price presented to us users is way too big still in my feeling. I base this on pre-April experience of fair transfer of scene investment to video price, a feature I always liked at AVLP for its transparency, fairness and contribution to cultivate responsible and sustainable porn use.

[avanfurwet]

I think buying packs of 250 tickets is almost as cheap as buying a 3-month membership and reloads.

For the costs to me I shared above the membership is about 37% cheaper. Are the relative costs different for where you live?

I'm also in UK. Today the system is offering me a pack of 250 tickets for GBP 140.74. Maybe because I still have an active membership?

If you needed 250 tickets, you could get a membership (144 tkts) plus a reload of 120 tickets at a slightly higher price, bringing the average cost per ticket to 14% below the 250 tkt pack price.

But without the membership, the pack prices might be higher? So it might not be a fair comparison.

[avanfurwet]

Well, today I am just wondering whether gonzo has now joined the GIO user testing approach of at how much higher a price I can sell my product?

The yesterday released Kristy Black 5on1 DAP is sold at 6,9tkt, while today Veronica Leal 3on1 DAP costs already 8,2tkt. So far it looked like gonzo lowered their price in $ to also lower their tkt price, such as xxx suggested to studios, which wouldnt wish to change anything after the sudden unheralded 35% ticket value devaluation of April 12th-15th.

This said ofc Verl Leal might ask for a much higher DAP fee than Kristy Black; also studs work for much lower fee than girls ofc. Difference in end price presented to us users is way too big still in my feeling. I base this on pre-April experience of fair transfer of scene investment to video price, a feature I always liked at AVLP for its transparency, fairness and contribution to cultivate responsible and sustainable porn use.

The Vero Leal scene is USD 12.30 or 8.20 TKT which is at the old exchange rate (better for us) of USD 1.50 per TKT.

The Kristy Black scene is USD 7.66 or 6.90 TKT which is at the new exchange rate (35% price increase) of USD 1.11 per TKT

If the Vero Leal scene had been priced using the new exchange rate it would be priced at (12.30/1.11) 11.08 TKT.

tldr: Gonzo could have charged 11.08 TKT, but chose the old, cheaper, TKT pricing formula

The difference between Vero on Kristy's scenes is in the much higher USD price for the Vero scene.

[dap-addict]

The Vero Leal scene is USD 12.30 or 8.20 TKT which is at the old exchange rate (better for us) of USD 1.50 per TKT.

Thus completely crazy pricing now!?
So we are told ticket conversion rate into $ changed, but now we have a scene with still the old conversion rate applied. While yesterday we had a lowered price in $ to make price in tkts lower, as suggested by xxx. Maybe today's price is by mistake then? Or is it an indication that that sudden ticket devaluation by 35% is getting reversed actually?

[avanfurwet]

The Vero Leal scene is USD 12.30 or 8.20 TKT which is at the old exchange rate (better for us) of USD 1.50 per TKT.

Thus completely crazy pricing now!?
So we are told ticket conversion rate into $ changed, but now we have a scene with still the old conversion rate applied. While yesterday we had a lowered price in $ to make price in tkts lower, as suggested by xxx. Maybe today's price is by mistake then? Or is it an indication that that sudden ticket devaluation by 35% is getting reversed actually?

I have no idea.

But I think XXX said he would sell some "older" content at the lower rate.

For the past month gonzo releases seem to have been mainly at the lower rate, with some scenes (presumably shot more recently) sold at the new rate.

It's all very confusing to us. But I guess PB and the studios are watching their data analytics closely to see the effect on sales.

[dap-addict]

But I think XXX said he would sell some "older" content at the lower rate.

I dont remember this, I'd have to check, but all these scenes judging by scene numbers were shot after their last released Valentina Manea DAP, which clearly still had the old tkt price and the old conversion rate.
Maybe there is some hope for re-verse of conversation rate and/or at least a phasing in of that new rate spread all over 2022. Or am I too optimist now?

[YumYum74]

Or am I too optimist now?

Unfortunately I think you are.

[Ultra-Gape]

I think buying packs of 250 tickets is almost as cheap as buying a 3-month membership and reloads.

For the costs to me I shared above the membership is about 37% cheaper. Are the relative costs different for where you live?

I'm also in UK. Today the system is offering me a pack of 250 tickets for GBP 140.74. Maybe because I still have an active membership?

If you needed 250 tickets, you could get a membership (144 tkts) plus a reload of 120 tickets at a slightly higher price, bringing the average cost per ticket to 14% below the 250 tkt pack price.

But without the membership, the pack prices might be higher? So it might not be a fair comparison.

I've just checked and it's currently showing a cost of £175.92 for me (without current active membership) for 250 ticket. You may well be right that having an active membership makes a difference but this is something for those considering no longer having memberships to bear in mind.

Your price of £140.74 for 250 tickets is 56p per ticket and so still significantly more expensive than the 44p per ticket with a membership.

The bottom line for me is that memberships remain the cheapest option and by more than just the ~5% suggested above.

[dap-addict]

The bottom line for me is that memberships remain the cheapest option and by more than just the ~5% suggested above.

I'll check this again, because my case might be different because I am still on the very old membership plan with free tickets but less premium tickets allocated. Also I counted the discount based on 1mt and not based on 3mt, which might give a better turnout.
But anyway, the bottom line is that the sudden ticket devaluation after April 12th is 35%.

[dap-addict]

Your price of £140.74 for 250 tickets is 56p per ticket and so still significantly more expensive than the 44p per ticket with a membership.

Mmh, based on $ and than $ converted to £ I have a price of 53p and not 44p per ticket with the 120tkt-recharge option in my 3mt membership plan. This would be a discount of slighly above 5,5% and not over 21% as in your case.
An only 5,5% discount for loyal subscribing members, no matter how many tickets they get per month (old or new membership) is really not much.

[dap-addict]

Your price of £140.74 for 250 tickets is 56p per ticket and so still significantly more expensive than the 44p per ticket with a membership.

edit: I see only now that you probably compared the allocated membership premium tickets with the non-membership 250tkt option, since this is the cheapest - but most risky as it now turned out with this sudden devaluation - option. While I compared the 120tkt recharge option with the non-membership 250tkt option. And this gives around 5% discount each time you reload 120tkt - compared with the non-membership option.
And 5% isn't much value for subscription loyalty.

Did sb compare these re-load options before tkt devaluation of April 12th?

[YumYum74]

Studios still all over the place with their prices.

Today's Vira Gold release with Ellis Baileys (2 on 1, but only anal and no DP) has a € 9.40 price.
The NRX scene with Rebeca Fox (3 on 1 DAP) you'd expect to be more expensive, but in currency it is actually almost one euro cheaper at € 8.55.

But...if you use tickets it's exactly the other way around. Here the VG scene is cheaper at 6.67 tickets, while the NRX scene costs 8.11 tickets.

[Starrio]

But...if you use tickets it's exactly the other way around. Here the VG scene is cheaper at 6.67 tickets, while the NRX scene costs 8.11 tickets.

That's a good thing, it makes them must buy for me.

[dap-addict]

But...if you use tickets it's exactly the other way around. Here the VG scene is cheaper at 6.67 tickets, while the NRX scene costs 8.11 tickets.

Thus also outside gonzo different conversion rates from tkt into $ are applied.

[xxxEVOxxx]

Seemingly, result shows that NRX and Gonzo are the top 2 who are the fairest priced so far.
Lots of studios challenging Gonzo though...

[Ultra-Gape]

But anyway, the bottom line is that the sudden ticket devaluation after April 12th is 35%.

Absolutely. I'd been thinking of taking out a new membership but the price increase is making me think twice about doing so.

And yes, above I was comparing ticket pack purchases to the cheapest membership option i.e. 3 months of 48 ticket/month for £63.28 as I type this (
44p/tkt).

[dap-addict]

Seemingly, result shows that NRX and Gonzo are the top 2 who are the fairest priced so far.
Lots of studios challenging Gonzo though...

Poll was started early and situation is still developing.
What seems clear is that NRX, gonzo and Yummy cared most not to implement that 35% de facto price rise by new conversion rate (tkts to $) for customers.
On the other side so far we have clearly GIO and AGO.

[YumYum74]

On the other side so far we have clearly GIO and AGO.

I didn’t check the last few days but I think you can add NF to this side as well.

[error01x]

Whats going on with the prices, I was a long time inactive now GIO scenes are 11 tkt? Last time I was active this year it was about 7 tkt