DEGROGATRY COMMENTS ABOUT MODELS BODY IMAGE/LOOKS

[Meganlouiseadultwork]

I can’t believe I have to write this ….

It has recently come to light that a group of people are making very spiteful, nasty and damn right degogatry comments on another forum about my body image and look. To put it quite simply, this is not ON for me or any other model. What you may see on film is fantasy but we are human like you, and do get sad, angry, upset at this behaviour.

Quite simply, if you are not keen on a performer, don’t watch the scene ! If you haven’t got anything nice to say then don’t say anything at all! No one is forcing you to watch it !! People in real life like all diffrent body shapes, sizes, looks … and the same in porn

THIS IS WHY GIORGIO IS A TRAILBLAZER IN THE INDUSTRY AND SHOOTS ALL BODY SHAPES/LOOKS/RACES… and THE SCENES SELL WELL!

Quite simply, if this is you or you partake in this behaviour, your a idiot.

Pathetic

Louise Lee

PS on a positive note thank you to all the subscribers who have bought my scenes… your support is very much appreciated

[dap-addict]

on another forum

I'm happy its not here on PB forum!
Me and other posters try for many years to educate porn users and to make them more compassionate with all performers. I hope this gets rewarded in one way or another, and be it that you feel better here.
However, I would say that critic has to be tolerated because it helps performers and studios to improve. I am talking about supportive critic of course.

Finally, Megan, thanks for coming here and speaking up!

[MackZatis]

I'm actually a bit surprised it wasn't on this forum. This place can be quite toxic/negative/hostile/ect....

I see things posted here all the time regarding a performers looks/body/type/style/ect. That, while not directly intended to be hurtful or insulting, leaves a "bad taste" in your mouth when you read it aloud. And most likely would be taken in a hurtful way if said model were to happen upon and read it.
I think there's many reason why this happens; (to be clear; below is in reference to UN-INTENTIONAL hurtful statements, not intentionally mean & spiteful statement like Louise has dealt with.)
~Many members here are simply jaded by/from their relationship with porn & the genre they like to watch. Most of these people don't even realize they are in fact jaded.[/list]
~Much like other harmful addictions, the user is really jones'ng for their next fix. And when they don't get it they see it as a personal slight/attack on them and get angry.
~Are SO far into their porn addiction, they can only "get off" or even "excited" by ONE specific act/kink/fetish. Even if it literally is the VERY LAST THING that happens in a scene, the cumshot. Some user here looses his shit when a model doesn't swallow and declares the whole scene to be dog shit & horrible. "oh what's wrong with you" & "how could you!!??!" kinda thing. Like he literally buys a scene, jumps right to the end to see what the final "outcome" is, then decides if he can even try to enjoy it. Just plain crazy....
~Are de-sensitized by the extreme content they constantly are consuming, and don't even realize how their comments would be perceived. (this can also be from lack of or no ACTUAL face to face interactions with women IRL) Also these kinda people a lot of times think/assume that a model actually deserves to be demeaned or wants to be demeaned because of the type of porn they make.
~Simply put, HATE women. whatever the reason
~Not being a native English speaking person, don't know how to express their personal tastes/preferences without it sounding more like an attack or insult.
~As studies have shown; victims of "*-abuse" when young/younger become the "abuser" when they're older.
~ & a million more possible reasons, some less valid, some more.

Or it's a simple as the age old tale; there are HUNDREDS of MILLIONS of just plain "horrible shitty human beings" that, thanks to the anonymity of the internet need to & can make others feel just as shitty or worse. So they can not feel so shitty about themself. Louise, your right. Pathetic!

None of that makes it okay, not at all. And as easy as it is to say "don't listen to those people" or "don't let it get to you". It is MUCH MUCH harder to actually do so and also not feel hurt by those statements. We ALL are "only human".
And lastly, Louise. These kind of places are littered with the postings of the "vocal minority" and not the beliefs/feelings of the "silent majority". Try to take some solace or comfort that there a many many times more people that totally love what you're doing, who are more than thrilled to get your content, "enjoy" it and never even think twice about having to go tell the internet their thoughts/feelings on the matter. And take some more comfort in the fact that these "mean-spirited" people are lonely & alone (probably will die that way too), and you are NOT!

However, I would say that critic has to be tolerated because it helps performers and studios to improve. I am talking about supportive critic of course.

I think you mean "constructive criticism". To me "supportive critic" sound like an oxymoron, but I'm sure people will get what you were going for.
Related to "constructive criticism"; I feel that as a general rule/guideline that it IS perfectly okay to be critical on a models "performance" or their "technical abilities". But NOT okay to criticize their body/body type/body image. If you like it, or even love their body/body type/body image & also any changes made to it, then by all means, tell the whole internet if you want to.
But if you DON"T, just shut-up, keep quiet and DON'T say SHIT.
Just seems like common sense way of "governing ourselves" on forums. But then again I'm also way more smarter then all the STOOPID people around the interwebz....

[dap-addict]

However, I would say that critic has to be tolerated because it helps performers and studios to improve. I am talking about supportive critic of course.

I think you mean "constructive criticism". To me "supportive critic" sound like an oxymoron, but I'm sure people will get what you were going for.

Yes, thats it, thanks.
I'm not a native speaker.
And yes, some forum members sound rude because their english is very limited. I hope I am not amongst them. But if we consider boobjobs I could also fall into body shaming category sometimes and I sincerely excuse for this here.

[Meganlouiseadultwork]

Constructive critique YES

Body shaming/Spiteful comments about models looks … NO

[bdsmpretty]

I can’t believe I have to write this ….

It has recently come to light that a group of people are making very spiteful, nasty and damn right degogatry comments on another forum about my body image and look. To put it quite simply, this is not ON for me or any other model. What you may see on film is fantasy but we are human like you, and do get sad, angry, upset at this behaviour.

Quite simply, if you are not keen on a performer, don’t watch the scene ! If you haven’t got anything nice to say then don’t say anything at all! No one is forcing you to watch it !! People in real life like all diffrent body shapes, sizes, looks … and the same in porn

THIS IS WHY GIORGIO IS A TRAILBLAZER IN THE INDUSTRY AND SHOOTS ALL BODY SHAPES/LOOKS/RACES… and THE SCENES SELL WELL!

Quite simply, if this is you or you partake in this behaviour, your a idiot.

Pathetic

Louise Lee

PS on a positive note thank you to all the subscribers who have bought my scenes… your support is very much appreciated

I recognise and respect Louise's justified anger about this issue (even if she is referring to another forum, it has happened here in the past and so merits addressing here and now as a warning) and I absolutely support her just cause.

And if there is not already a category addressing this genre of abuse ('abusive comments about a performer's appearance') among the check boxes in the 'report post to admin' link, then there should be one. To be deleted on sight.

Adult performers, especially young and insecure performers (though insecurities can affect anyone of any age) are particularly vulnerable to insults about their appearance, because they appear naked before the world as part of their job.
In doing so they constantly risk being called out for not aligning with someone or another's fantasy ideal of womanhood.

I clearly recall one performer here (a young and gorgeous Russian woman, I'm not sharing here name but some may remember the events) who recieved repeated abusive comments in her thread about her teeth from vicious and cowardly keyboard misogynists here.
After a mystery break, she later reappeared and commented on social media that this abuse had made her feel so insecure and crushed her confidence to such an extent, that she had decided to withdraw from performing altogether for a few years (happily she has since returned, she looks as adorable as ever, and one can only wish the very best of luck to her).

The bottom line is that *Psychological abuse is abuse*. It's that simple to understand.
Yes misunderstandings can arise (and will often be corrected if appropriately and politely challenged) but usually it's crystal clear (from the language and tone) when someone is being cruel, and therefore easy to call out and report - as and when.

I won't say any more because Lousie's comment was eloquent, balanced and absolutely to the point, and so there's no point in trying to paraphrase it. I accept it, I endorse it, and I send Louise all my solidarity and respect going on for her work.

[avanfurwet]

We all like different things and every model who doesn't conform to our personal tastes will find plenty of other fans to admire her.

I agree with other posters here that none of us fans here should ever imagine it's OK to "critique" a model's appearance. It is not "helpful".

I also agree that unfortunately there will always be idiots and trolls who try to excite themselves by bravely anonymously posting hateful messages online, aimed at people who are more beautiful, succesful and famous than them.

It can't be easy when some idiot is trying to trigger an emotional response, to hurt and belittle you in their desperate needy attempts to erect their own limp inadequate ego.

But if you can just step back and ask yourself, really, why would you even listen to anything they say? They're just sad lonely little men.

[Iddaoeeok]

Totally agree with what everyone has said so far. Unfortunately the internet is full of idiots who are rude, ignorant and unpleasant.

[drevokocur66]

I agree. There is no reason for derogatory comments about a model's specific looks. No like = no buy. To be fair, you are venting here about something, someone wrote, on another forum, calling other people idiots. People say things... mean things, nice things, so so things... Yeah, there are unpleasant people in the world, ignore them.

[Meganlouiseadultwork]

I agree. There is no reason for derogatory comments about a model's specific looks. No like = no buy. To be fair, you are venting here about something, someone wrote, on another forum, calling other people idiots. People say things... mean things, nice things, so so things... Yeah, there are unpleasant people in the world, ignore them.

I was alerted to this behaviour via a member on this forum about my LP scenes so it’s pretty likely this troll and his friends walks among us

[zigzg009]

Happy to see you take the bull by the horns. Bravo! I have never understood why some resort such uncouth behavior. As much as I wish I could say this forum is an exception, I know it's not. I wish those folks realize and understand some day that models are just as human and no different from our relatives and loved ones. The beauty of LP, and the industry, is that there is something for everyone. It is unfortunate to continue seeing the fast erosion of common decency in some circles.

I applaud you for standing up for yourself and also for the many others for whom similar has been said and can relate. Keep up the excellent work and thanks for being as engaged as you are!!!

[annmsklr5]

Oh my gosh...a paradox of these days or generalization of hypocrisy? Aren't women supposed to be mentally much stronger, more emancipated and generally tougher then men these days?

I don't mean being openly vulgar, but what's wrong on commenting women's looks or publicly expressing opinion especially on porn forum where 99% of users are men?
Come on! Aren't they women who are picking up on men's looks x-times everyday everywhere? Oh! Come on! Come on! Be real!

By the way, do you know how to spot insecure woman? Either she's got fake tits already or wears a sweater even in the summer.

Before somebody accuse me of being mysogynic, I assure you, I love women in all their ways.

[annmsklr5]

Dear Megan,

If I were you, I wouldn't pay attention neither to these alerts or particular posts or anything like that. It's not good for you, it's not good for any woman.
Please, understand these are mostly men's talks, this is how men talk and it's not meant for women's ears - in general.
These are exactly the things that contributes to irrational women's insecurity. Not good. And then we have overgrowing amount self harming preteenage girls and alarming number of suicides.

The only thing that really matters in life which lead to ultimate happiness is how YOU feel as a person, if YOU are happy with what you're doing, how YOU feel about your body, YOUR well being. Not others' opinion. I wouldn't pay attention to what anybody else says about me, even less about other people. I just couldn't care less.

Obviously my post above about insecure women was an attempt to make a joke, but still.... you know what I mean.
We don't have to go far away from this forum, let's say boob jobs - always one of the most bipolar threads about whether particular girl needed it or not. TBH, most of the time we couldn't know!

For example if a girl gets a new boob job just to please her followers or I don't know who or just as an attempt to stop invisible "everybody's complaining about my saggy tits", then I believe it was wrong decision.
Look at Sexy Cora, she has fuckin' died after her 6th boob job being the cause! Nobody sane believes it was a rational decision, right?

On the other side I know women that didn't look bad at all, their men didn't complain, but internally they felt something's wrong with their body, than of course we could have a case for a psychologist, but if he fails, than a proper well though boob job can really change their life for ever. And it did.

I just wouldn't care about these "derogatory" posts at all, that's it.

[annmsklr5]

By the way, some actress would be probably surprised / shocked if we, posters / viewers, would post here a gallery of, pardon me, women's intimate parts, how we do like them to look like, I mean like in real life.

For example, I was quite shocked that some poster earlier in this thread reffered Isabella Both as a "special girl", "not meainstream girl"... honestly idk where're you coming from guys, but I tell you, Isabella Both is a perfectly fine, normal looking girl with great slim natural body, IMHO there's nothing special about her apart from the fact she's pretty, hot and very sexy.
Ofc if somebody considers for example (no offense!) Sasha Beart a mainstream girl, than sorry, I cannot serve...

[Meganlouiseadultwork]

Oh my gosh...a paradox of these days or generalization of hypocrisy? Aren't women supposed to be mentally much stronger, more emancipated and generally tougher then men these days?

I don't mean being openly vulgar, but what's wrong on commenting women's looks or publicly expressing opinion especially on porn forum where 99% of users are men?
Come on! Aren't they women who are picking up on men's looks x-times everyday everywhere? Oh! Come on! Come on! Be real!

By the way, do you know how to spot insecure woman? Either she's got fake tits already or wears a sweater even in the summer.

Before somebody accuse me of being mysogynic, I assure you, I love women in all their ways.

Sounds like your one of these “pathetic woman hating idiots” then

I feel for you .. must be hard living with so much hate and anger
I wish you well

[Iddaoeeok]

Aren't women supposed to be mentally much stronger, more emancipated and generally tougher then men these days?

Who told you that?

[avanfurwet]

I guess the majority of PB customers and therefore posters in this forum identify as straight males, and therefore most posts (good and bad) are about female models.

But many of the most ignorant and nasty posts I've seen here are aimed at male performers, and some of the very worst are aimed at trans performers.

I think Louise's point applies equally to all performers. They're just people like us, with feelings, doing an incredibly demanding job for our entertainment. They don't deserve to be trolled and insulted by anonymous fools.

And I'm sorry for that time when I said one male actor looks like ET.

[drevokocur66]

I agree. There is no reason for derogatory comments about a model's specific looks. No like = no buy. To be fair, you are venting here about something, someone wrote, on another forum, calling other people idiots. People say things... mean things, nice things, so so things... Yeah, there are unpleasant people in the world, ignore them.

I was alerted to this behaviour via a member on this forum about my LP scenes so it’s pretty likely this troll and his friends walks among us

I did not realize this was a witch hunt.

[dap-addict]

For example, I was quite shocked that some poster earlier in this thread reffered Isabella Both as a "special girl", "not meainstream girl"... honestly idk where're you coming from guys, but I tell you, Isabella Both is a perfectly fine, normal looking girl with great slim natural body...

You are quoting out of context.
Context was GIO price rise for those paying in tickets. Nothing was derogatory in that post!

[Visionary_sight]

I’ll do my best to encroach this subject without coming across insensitive. It’s a very complicated issue.

If you are in a industry where the human form is the product such as fashion or in this case adult entertainment. Then I think criticism about one’s body is going to be apparent and can not be avoided.

Now the question is. Is the problem to do with how a consumer presents their criticism of the person’s body or face?

Or is the issue here to do with the actress or actor taking offence because the criticism has hit a nerve and they can see a truth to what they have said?

Personally, I’m only new to this forum. But I’ve always been an advocate for encouraging girls to have confidence and security to stick to keeping their natural body natural and ignoring those who say otherwise either on the internet or in real life.

When I see a comment bluntly telling a woman to get implants or do some work done to their natural face. Then I see that as uncalled for and derogatory. I find that offensive. These actresses should not have to surgically alter their appearance just because a few people said something about their body. That’s where it crosses a line for me. I wouldn’t like someone to tell me to get a nose job and draw attention to something I’ve never been unhappy about out of the blue. It’s unnecessary and importantly it’s my body that I was born with. I do not want to appease people and change a part of my body that is not a problem for me and undergo procedures that could potentially ruin my health too.

Now this is where I’m trying to understand. I would say I’m a normal consumer. So if I see a model with potential or a model who i can’t get enough of. Then they suddenly end up getting implants, get a tattoo camouflaging a focal point of their body that was beautiful and even gain weight to the point they look overweight. I would lose my interest in the model (the product or commodity) and I guess politely express my criticism on why the model had to make this change? The equivalent to my queries/criticisms would be if my favourite pizza place changed ingredients that made the pizzas taste different and much less enjoyable than before. As a consumer I would be disappointed. I’m not saying the model is an object. I’m talking about quality.

For me I don’t see a problem highlighting my points when it is observed and spoken respectfully under this context when it comes to sharing what you think about an entertainer’s human body.

You will see in many top talent agencies telling a newcomer to lose a bit of weight to become more aligned or request a model to not get any more tattoos. That’s the profession and I would see that as a ‘constructive’ criticism.

All in all. I think telling girls to go under the knife is the biggest problem. And expressing a criticism in a insulting way ignoring the performers feelings as if they are objects with no emotion.

That’s just my view. I wasn’t sure of posting this as it could be misconceived. But I mean well. If my view has missed something. Please be nice in explaining it to me.

[avanfurwet]

Visionary-sight,

Thank you for trying to think this through. Although I think in the end you raise more questions than answers.

You start by seeming to say that fans should feel able to criticise the appearance of performers, and if a performer reacts badly you question whether such criticism "hit a nerve" and they can't handle someone else's "truth".

Then you explain why you wouldn't change your own appearance in response to someone else's criticism. Well, that's fine for you, and everyone is different.

Not all performers have an established secure and well-balanced self-image, particularly the younger ones new to the industry who may be very sensitive to nasty negative comments. Some could become very discouraged by thoughtless and ignorant criticism.

And of couse, not all criticism is meant well or kindly. Much of the nonsense posted in this forum seems to come from very mean and limited minds.

So of course criticism about performers' appearances can and should be avoided. All fans need to do is use their brains and STFU. If a model isn't to their taste, just move on and say something nice about someone else. If that's too hard for the self-appointed critics, then they should probably examine their own psychological inadequacies and motivations before being mean about others.

IMO there is absolutely no need for anyone to make disparaging remarks about a model's appearance. No possible good can come of it. Noone can give themself a pass by pretending they are "helping" the performer with their penetrating insight, (or more likely lack of it). The critic's opinion is only their opinion, it's not the gold standard of anyone else's "truth".

You say no model should feel pressured to have a boob-job to suit someone else's ideals (and I agree). Yet you write approvingly about agencies "telling" performers to lose weight or refrain from more tattoos. You say this is "consructive criticism". I think you might well ask yourself whether your post is just a reflection of your own personal preferences and prejudices.

Performers quite possibly like their tattoos and their body shapes, and so do their fans who love them.

It shouldn't need saying, and Iddaoeeok will probably be annoyed, again, that I'm stating the bleeding obvious, but performers are real people who own their own bodies and make their own decisions about their own lives. They do not benefit from "advice" (well-meant or otherwise) from random anons on the internet who imagine they are all superior and know better. Probably the fans should know better than to make silly thoughtless remarks.

In the end, the sales numbers decide which performers survive and thrive and get booked again, here or elsewhere. And the market is a broad church which includes fans for every kind of model.

[Visionary_sight]

Thanks for the reply Avanfurwet.

When I said hit a ‘nerve’ and ‘truth’ (probably not the right words to use), I was referring to when a model who was a natural model then gets criticised for getting a boob job or other cosmetic work done and then gets offended by people making critical comments of it. I think there is some truth in that. Why does a model feel they need to undergo work like this? Why not be happy with how their natural body is? What changes?

You have misread. I don’t explain why I wouldn’t alter my appearance due to someone else’s criticism. I was putting myself in their shoes when I say I wouldn’t like it if someone told me to get work done. That was all it was. I was trying to relate to the performer.

Yes I do see it as a more constructive criticism. Agencies do this. I’ve seen it in documentaries. I consider requesting for less prominent tattoos or a little weight loss. Not life changing than getting cosmetic work done. These two aspects were only examples and not a reflection of my preferences. I saw it in a modelling show, where the agency asked a model to work on her physique in the gym and not to get any more tattoos. For me anything in the realms where you can naturally alter your appearance safely whether it’s the clothes a model wears, hair length, contact lenses, make up and body hair etc. These are fair aspects to have views on in this type of industry.

I mean you look on this website. Some of the studios request a model to have no pubic hair or at least have it really trim.

I agree that making insulting remarks about a model’s body is uncalled for, along with trolling a model who doesn’t meet your tastes. They should be left alone.
However, I do not see a problem if someone makes a respectful critique or suggestion on a model that can be naturally altered back and forth safely. Things like surgery are permanent and can not be reversed.

Sales are a driving force, but at the expense of the performers natural healthy body? I’m probably speaking more about the models who start off as natural, for example like an Aletta Ocean rather than models who arrive with work done.

To be honest. You make good points. Everyone has different tastes. And yes, it is probably a little biased view that I have towards my dislike of cosmetic procedures and tattoos that cover the boobs. However, if a person makes a comment like ‘saggy, time for implants’, then I feel I would have to say something.

[Meganlouiseadultwork]

I agree. There is no reason for derogatory comments about a model's specific looks. No like = no buy. To be fair, you are venting here about something, someone wrote, on another forum, calling other people idiots. People say things... mean things, nice things, so so things... Yeah, there are unpleasant people in the world, ignore them.

I was alerted to this behaviour via a member on this forum about my LP scenes so it’s pretty likely this troll and his friends walks among us

I did not realize this was a witch hunt.

Oh so your “one of them”

It’s not a “witch hunt”…. Just common decency + morals hun

[avanfurwet]

Thanks for the reply Avanfurwet.

When I said hit a ‘nerve’ and ‘truth’ (probably not the right words to use), I was referring to when a model who was a natural model then gets criticised for getting a boob job or other cosmetic work done and then gets offended by people making critical comments of it. I think there is some truth in that. Why does a model feel they need to undergo work like this? Why not be happy with how their natural body is? What changes?

You have misread. I don’t explain why I wouldn’t alter my appearance due to someone else’s criticism. I was putting myself in their shoes when I say I wouldn’t like it if someone told me to get work done. That was all it was. I was trying to relate to the performer.

Yes I do see it as a more constructive criticism. Agencies do this. I’ve seen it in documentaries. I consider requesting for less prominent tattoos or a little weight loss. Not life changing than getting cosmetic work done. These two aspects were only examples and not a reflection of my preferences. I saw it in a modelling show, where the agency asked a model to work on her physique in the gym and not to get any more tattoos. For me anything in the realms where you can naturally alter your appearance safely whether it’s the clothes a model wears, hair length, contact lenses, make up and body hair etc. These are fair aspects to have views on in this type of industry.

I mean you look on this website. Some of the studios request a model to have no pubic hair or at least have it really trim.

I agree that making insulting remarks about a model’s body is uncalled for, along with trolling a model who doesn’t meet your tastes. They should be left alone.
However, I do not see a problem if someone makes a respectful critique or suggestion on a model that can be naturally altered back and forth safely. Things like surgery are permanent and can not be reversed.

Sales are a driving force, but at the expense of the performers natural healthy body? I’m probably speaking more about the models who start off as natural, for example like an Aletta Ocean rather than models who arrive with work done.

To be honest. You make good points. Everyone has different tastes. And yes, it is probably a little biased view that I have towards my dislike of cosmetic procedures and tattoos that cover the boobs. However, if a person makes a comment like ‘saggy, time for implants’, then I feel I would have to say something.

Thank you for replying. I think we agree on some things.

What if someone (like you, who prefer a natural look) tries to tell the performer not to get work done?
Isn't that just as bad as trying to tell them to get work done?
Shouldn't it be a model's free choice? If a performer wants to look like Aletta Ocean then that's her prerogative.
And if any fans don't like it they can look elsewhere for their porn.

I think a model is equally likely to be offended by fans' unsolicited advice to get (or not get) cosmetic alterations as by people criticising their alterations. Because the fans' behaviour is equally offensive in both cases.

Agents try to manipulate their performers for all sorts of reasons, some good, some not.
Typically an agent wants their performers to have as broad an appeal as possible to maximise their sales opportunities.
That may be good for the performer's earnings and their agent's commission.
But what if the performer really wants fake boobs and tattoos?. I think it's the performer's choice to make, not the agent's.

That said, agents and producers have at least some legitimate interest in advising their performers about maximising their sales appeal.
Also, some agents and producers even know what they are talking about, and performers who know them personally may choose to take note of their advice.

I think random anons posting unsolicited "advice" and criticism on the internet have no legitimate interest at all, and typically are not known to or trusted by the performers. So they're on a hiding to nothing.

[Visionary_sight]

What if someone (like you, who prefer a natural look) tries to tell the performer not to get work done?
Isn't that just as bad as trying to tell them to get work done?
Shouldn't it be a model's free choice? If a performer wants to look like Aletta Ocean then that's her prerogative.
And if any fans don't like it they can look elsewhere for their porn.

That’s an interesting way to put it. I think for me. Some things go deeper than a career as an model in the entertainment industry. If someone chooses to become a model like Aletta and put their body under cosmetics. Then I feel logically a girl should be encouraged not to do so. We are talking about life changing alterations here to the body. I think before anything happens, it’s important to establish the reasons behind it. If someone really really badly wants to tattoo their eyeballs, would you just stand back and let them without some form of conversation about why that might be a bad idea? No matter what way you can put it. Telling a girl no matter who you are ‘your breasts are saggy’ or ‘your nose isn’t attractive enough.’ These comments sound mentally abusive in comparison to saying someone might look ‘more pretty with less make up.’

I don’t consider both the same thing at all.

If we are to look at the worth of a fan or a consumer. I think it is important as a company or a business to receive feedback. Statistics may say something is popular, but it does not tell you why it is popular? I think if you want to improve a product or service it’s important to know what consumers are saying. That is one the reasons this forum exists. They used to have a suggestion button, but have put it all in this forum now. It’s important to understand your audience.

So looking at it. We have to decide what view is an acceptable comment and what is not in regards to developing the product, business or service. Unfortunately, that is where the lines get blurred considering what you have written and what I write. As you say there are many different people with different tastes. A group who say they want surgery might hold some footing and strongly correlate in the sudden surge of the product being sold more. However, I think a line has to be drawn when it comes to changing a girls appearance via cosmetics or participating in a act that puts their body at risk. The market is big, but it doesn’t mean that it is morally right to let it govern you as a company at the expense of the model’s health and well-being.

Ultimately, as you have written it’s entirely the model’s choice to do what they want as it is their body. They have freedom of choice. As does everyone.

I think more or less we are on the same page. But in regards to Louise Lee’s comments. It sounds like she was clearly verbally abused and that is something we can agree is totally unacceptable.

[petermc934]

You can all try to justify saying negative things about women’s bodies all you want or telling them what they should or shouldn’t do to their body. At the end of the day though, no one wants to hear it. Just scroll on by stuff you don’t like and watch the stuff you do, no need to insult the performers.

We obviously all have our different tastes and perhaps there’s certain female body types or looks that you are not into. If that type of model became the majority of scenes going forward, maybe then you are within your rights to say “Hey LP, you’re doing a hell of a lot of scenes with this type of model now and it’s not really to my taste. If this continues, it won’t be worth me continuing my membership” That could be anything, it could be women with lots of tattoos or women with fake tits, small women, big women, anything. You don’t need to make derogatory comments about individual women. Just that the site is going in a direction that no longer appeals to you.

As it happens though, LP (their own stuff) is mainly what it’s always been which is young, slim natural bodied Eastern European models. They have not suddenly abandoned that and gone in another direction so, when they release something you’re not into, you can easily find something you do like and don’t need to complain about it. Not every single scene is catered to you.

Don’t get me wrong, we all complain, me included. My current bugbear is the piss scenes that now feature a lot of guys pissing into wine glasses, shot glasses, jugs etc. instead of pissing on or in the girls. I didn’t complain when it happened in a couple of scenes though, only when it started to become a trend and was very prevalent in lots of new piss scenes.

If you’re not a fan of Louise Lee, that’s ok but it’s not like she’s in every scene, you can just move along and watch someone else more to your taste.

[brian6902]

Totally agree with your sentiment; there's no need/place for negativity.

I'm not totally convinced by this though:

THIS IS WHY GIORGIO IS A TRAILBLAZER IN THE INDUSTRY AND SHOOTS ALL BODY SHAPES/LOOKS/RACES… and THE SCENES SELL WELL!

Given that I also saw this post from 2020: viewtopic.php?f=104&t=16052&start=280#p397894

Julia Red has since come back, but if what she said is true, I really question what kind of standards the producers have here; I'd have felt pretty bad about myself if I were in her position.

[avanfurwet]

I think more or less we are on the same page. But in regards to Louise Lee’s comments. It sounds like she was clearly verbally abused and that is something we can agree is totally unacceptable.

We can agree on that.

[avanfurwet]

Totally agree with your sentiment; there's no need/place for negativity.

I'm not totally convinced by this though:

THIS IS WHY GIORGIO IS A TRAILBLAZER IN THE INDUSTRY AND SHOOTS ALL BODY SHAPES/LOOKS/RACES… and THE SCENES SELL WELL!

Given that I also saw this post from 2020: viewtopic.php?f=104&t=16052&start=280#p397894

Julia Red has since come back, but if what she said is true, I really question what kind of standards the producers have here; I'd have felt pretty bad about myself if I were in her position.

Without knowing more about Julia, or the POV from whichever studio Julia was talking to, I don't think we can really form fair opinions.

Obviously no model should feel pressured to harm their health in order to change their appearance to get work.

Possibly another model might find it easier to lose weight if she chose to, to gain particular work somewhere in the entertainment industry if she chose to.

I think Louise's point is self-evidently true, that Giorgio shoots different body types, from super skinny to super curvaceous models.

[Meganlouiseadultwork]

From reading that forum link on Julia red … some of those comments

“We don’t want no fat chicks here please”

THIS is EXACTLY the behaviour of idiots WE DO NOT NEED.

Don’t like it ? WATCH SOMETHING ELSE.

It enraged me so much ….

[Iddaoeeok]

dap-addict going on and on about Julia's weight on that thread was not one of his finest moments.

[Meganlouiseadultwork]

dap-addict going on and on about Julia's weight on that thread was not one of his finest moments.

Totally agree

[dap-addict]

dap-addict going on and on about Julia's weight on that thread was not one of his finest moments.

Totally agree

Look, I'm not proud of it, but I did my best to keep a balance. Not a native speaker I misused some words, which sounded harsh and today I am sorry about that. At the same time I underlined many times that I do accept and like her the way she is.
Would be interesting to read how you'd feel about that if it were you, Louise?

And of course I hope I didnt hurt Julia Reds feelings with those posts. But I know she knows me and my support for her work as well as many of her private life decisions.

[drevokocur66]

My personal preference is little extra. Too skinny, or too heavy does not float my boat. Now some girls can get away with it because they happen to wear it well. I like what I like, and I support what I like and I am certainly not going apologize for my preferences. Proxy Paige (for example) she is one hot girl, and she was an AMAZING performer. But she has gotten to a point where I would not buy a scene because of her current looks. And look at Mina. When she first came on to the scene, I was like meh... but she put in the work, and her performance has improved, and yeah, I am a fan now. Content purchase for me is looks and performance based, and yes I know everyone likes different things, but principle is the same. There is a balance here. There is a tipping point for letting yourself go, where even stellar performance won't get me to buy a scene, and a point where your performance, and to no small part the effort, is so bad, the looks alone won't get me to buy it. I don't go around thrashing people on their looks, not my business what kind of image they choose to project. Hell, I am one ugly mofo myself. But how you choose to take care of yourself and the effort and performance you put in, is what will either attract people to you, or drive them away. Manners maketh the man.

[xxxVIPERxxx]

Hell, I am one ugly mofo myself.

This made me chuckle, I also have a very self deprecating sense of humour.
I am one fugly, old, pot-bellied, perverted man too!

[sexaddict251]

Haters hate, you don't have to listen to them, but you should be ready to take criticism positively, I said in one comment that you have to improve your Piss drinking skill, but you didn't like that

[sexaddict251]

Always love what you do, always do what you love. You don't have to do wet movies if you don't like Piss, we expect good performance when we look for a wet movie from a model. Piss is not poison, tell them to drink more water, so you don't have to worry about that taste, you told me to do it myself, i will do, i love to do it... I'll even drink your Piss

[antiochethereal]

Why do you care? Everyone hates on everybody. I even got flamed at one point online, for my mother dying of cancer. People tend to attack people personally if they have no other arguments at hand or if they simply do not understand something you write(too low iq and try to play smart); I experience that often. Derogatory comments and hate are a part of being online. Just like social justice warriors, white knighting, simping and other extremes. I do it myself from time to time too without realizing it, and when coming back and reading my own comment at a later time I think:"jeez must've had bad day". Dont take it personally and move on, online noone cares. A problem would surface if you suddenly also encountered this in every day life and/or in the workplace, then its a major issue, in my opinion.

[Meganlouiseadultwork]

Always love what you do, always do what you love. You don't have to do wet movies if you don't like Piss, we expect good performance when we look for a wet movie from a model. Piss is not poison, tell them to drink more water, so you don't have to worry about that taste, you told me to do it myself, i will do, i love to do it... I'll even drink your Piss

Who said I didn’t like piss?

HAVE YOU SEEN the ANOUNT of piss films I have done hahaha

[Meganlouiseadultwork]

Haters hate, you don't have to listen to them, but you should be ready to take criticism positively, I said in one comment that you have to improve your Piss drinking skill, but you didn't like that

Constructive …. Not “just improve my skills”

How?

When you tell me how then THAT is constructive