Big price drop for porn scenes in last 15-20 years :)))

[dap-addict]

There is still so much complaining going on but from users POV I'd just found out that the average porn scene I want to buy dropped 3 to 15 times since what Prague Golden Age of 2000-5!
And this while keeping girls payment at almost same buying power level in most Eastern European countries. Which makes it a double win for any sustainable fair-trade porn shopper.

For instance best deal in lets say 2003 I could get was a JYL shot dvd like Double Anal Extreme (Torrid) with Sandra Romain, early Polish star Gina Blond, Rose-Marie and Venus DAP-ed for 30-50$ than. Nowadays I pay usually just under 4$ for 1 AVLP DAP.
And very often than in 2000-5 it would happen I'd just get 1 DAP per dvd, like in JYL's Matador 10 (Private) with Gina Blonde for the same dvd price, which would render 1 DAP at 12 times more expensive than nowadays! Ok, I'd get 3 anals and 1 DP added here, but maybe watch only 2 of them, Silvia Sun and Eva Mercedes.

all caps: Gina Blond @ JYL's Matador 10 (Private)

[dap-addict]

For instance best deal in lets say 2003 I could get was a JYL shot dvd like Double Anal Extreme (Torrid)

This dvd: https://www.iafd.com/title.rme/title=do ... xtreme.htm

Best deal because all 4 scenes feature the porn sex act I am looking for. Dvd would cost 30-50$ than, if you still find that dvd today you might be able to buy it for about 10$, but 18 years back 50$ would be rather normal. In 2010 you might have found it for half that price.

At 50$ one DAP scene would have cost you 12,5$ - and it was 2on1 DAPs only. Today yu can easily buy a 5on1 DAP @ AVLP for 1/3 of that price. But in 2003 that was best quality-price ratio you could find! Excellent content than also because it was JYL directed and girls were JYL scouted and fucked by JYL crew.

[TheVulture]

Yeah I agree with you on this front. The one thing I don't complain about with AV/LP is the price. My first subscription in a few months the other night got me 6 scenes for the £23 or so, which is good value.

Contrast this to when I first got into porn and used to send £20 off to one of the few places you could buy hardcore via mail order in the UK at that time and in return I'd get a copied (!) VHS tape. To be fair, a lot of this stuff was great (Private, Christoph Clark etc.) and you're talking a 90 min vid so again about 6 scenes (albeit a bit shorter). But some of it (mostly US stuff that sucked me in with a good cover) was terrible and I'd end up frustratingly putting another £20 in the post and waiting another 10 days to get my kicks ha ha ha. That was at a time when I was pretty poor as well so it was an expensive business.

It wasn't too much longer after that though that it became easy enough to buy hardcore DVDs by mail order or in our sex shops and again you would be talking about £20 each if you were lucky, maybe more like £30 for the newer ones.

So yeah, I would say the current internet pricing is fine. You do sort of have to factor in the slight cost to transfer the scenes to DVD (for me anyway, this is how I consume my porn - burn to DVD to watch on my telly) but that isn't huge.

In some ways I do miss the old packaged DVD format as there was something exciting about the visual presentation of them and even though the 6 or so scenes within them were often very "gonzo" it did feel that there was a sort of narrative and they interlocked in a strange kind of way. It was as though you were peaking into a brief inferno of lust that occurred in one place or time or something (if that makes sense). That isn't really something you can recreate by making your own DVD with 4 scenes on it, sadly. The new method is much more convenient (particularly the instant nature of it) but the way it's accessed is a little bit more cold and detached in a way. But still, the pros outweigh the cons.

Obviously the bigger issue is whether current porn is good value for money based on its content. That's kind of a different argument that's going on in several other threads. As you know I am not really on board with the general AV/LP male dom style so I would say that I've wasted a fair bit of money on AV/LP scenes that I can't really use in my time and that is frustrating. But when the style and execution is to my tastes, £23 for 5 or 6 scenes (using current ticket prices) is something I'm perfectly happy with.

[netzerkaiser]

Yeah I agree with you on this front. The one thing I don't complain about with AV/LP is the price. My first subscription in a few months the other night got me 6 scenes for the £23 or so, which is good value.

Contrast this to when I first got into porn and used to send £20 off to one of the few places you could buy hardcore via mail order in the UK at that time and in return I'd get a copied (!) VHS tape. To be fair, a lot of this stuff was great (Private, Christoph Clark etc.) and you're talking a 90 min vid so again about 6 scenes (albeit a bit shorter). But some of it (mostly US stuff that sucked me in with a good cover) was terrible and I'd end up frustratingly putting another £20 in the post and waiting another 10 days to get my kicks ha ha ha. That was at a time when I was pretty poor as well so it was an expensive business.

It wasn't too much longer after that though that it became easy enough to buy hardcore DVDs by mail order or in our sex shops and again you would be talking about £20 each if you were lucky, maybe more like £30 for the newer ones.

So yeah, I would say the current internet pricing is fine. You do sort of have to factor in the slight cost to transfer the scenes to DVD (for me anyway, this is how I consume my porn - burn to DVD to watch on my telly) but that isn't huge.

In some ways I do miss the old packaged DVD format as there was something exciting about the visual presentation of them and even though the 6 or so scenes within them were often very "gonzo" it did feel that there was a sort of narrative and they interlocked in a strange kind of way. It was as though you were peaking into a brief inferno of lust that occurred in one place or time or something (if that makes sense). That isn't really something you can recreate by making your own DVD with 4 scenes on it, sadly. The new method is much more convenient (particularly the instant nature of it) but the way it's accessed is a little bit more cold and detached in a way. But still, the pros outweigh the cons.

Obviously the bigger issue is whether current porn is good value for money based on its content. That's kind of a different argument that's going on in several other threads. As you know I am not really on board with the general AV/LP male dom style so I would say that I've wasted a fair bit of money on AV/LP scenes that I can't really use in my time and that is frustrating. But when the style and execution is to my tastes, £23 for 5 or 6 scenes (using current ticket prices) is something I'm perfectly happy with.

Does anyone remember ordering Private movies in the post from Sunday Sport or such & getting back movies with all the sex cut out? I remember doing this in London in late 1990's, in the end I just picked up courage & went into sex shop in Piccadily or whatever & bought them.

[dap-addict]

Does anyone remember ordering Private movies in the post from Sunday Sport or such & getting back movies with all the sex cut out? I remember doing this in London in late 1990's, in the end I just picked up courage & went into sex shop in Piccadily or whatever & bought them.

What!?
Not me, bu I remember ordering Private vhs from them directly in Sweden or Spain or so for huge amount of money and waiting weeks and weeks hoping my postman would nit guess whats inside. LOL!

[MackZatis]

It's not apples to apples guys. Not even close. The old price reflected the amount of times human hands touched each item. i.e. packaging, shipping, truck drivers, dock workers, more truck drivers, more dock workers and finally last driver. THEN still more dockworkers, and now smaller delivery drivers (FED-EX UPS ect.)
So you've eliminated MANY steps in the process with the whole digital thing, maybe 3 people MAX have to work with a scene before you download it.
I could look at it a different way; look at all the people that have LOST THEIR JOBS or had to take at least a major reduction in revenue....

A price is NOT reflective of what a product is ACTUALLY worth

[Giorgio Grandi]

It's not apples to apples guys. Not even close. The old price reflected the amount of times human hands touched each item. i.e. packaging, shipping, truck drivers, dock workers, more truck drivers, more dock workers and finally last driver. THEN still more dockworkers, and now smaller delivery drivers (FED-EX UPS ect.)
So you've eliminated MANY steps in the process with the whole digital thing, maybe 3 people MAX have to work with a scene before you download it.
I could look at it a different way; look at all the people that have LOST THEIR JOBS or had to take at least a major reduction in revenue....

A price is NOT reflective of what a product is ACTUALLY worth

"maybe 3 people MAX have to work with a scene before you download it"
this is somehow correct, but to create the scene, you need the work of 5-6 people, just to bring the actors on the stage. Only the logistic (means to handle the performer from the moment they land in CZ to the moment they left), cost me over $100k/year.

"A price is NOT reflective of what a product is ACTUALLY worth"
I totally agree, its too low.
Running cost of my production is now over $1.5k/day. I should gain as a factory, but the gain is like a big retails.
I mean, I am not complaining, but in another industry, if you take in accounting running cost and investment for the manufacture of che content (actors, travels and so on), what I gain is under proportioned.

[TheVulture]

Does anyone remember ordering Private movies in the post from Sunday Sport or such & getting back movies with all the sex cut out? I remember doing this in London in late 1990's, in the end I just picked up courage & went into sex shop in Piccadily or whatever & bought them.

Yeah I did that once or twice. Grim. And even the stuff you bought in licensed sex shops back then was generally edited in that same way. A mate of mine was able to get the proper stuff occasionally but apparently only by asking the guys in the shops if they had any of the real stuff "under the counter" or whatever. Essentially they were breaking the law by selling it but I guess would take that risk occasionally and probably charged an extortionate price for it. From memory it was 2000 when that censorship was lifted and we got genuine hardcore via mail order and in sex shops for the first time, which was not long after I'd made my first purchases so quite good timing for me. Why we were so behind the curve with that is anyone's guess though. Just a slightly different mentality to porn here in the UK than elsewhere in Europe, isn't it? We've always been a bit uptight and conservative about sex in general.

[2017sucks]

Loool, that was a nightmare in UK. Here, you could buy DVD XXX rated at news papers-ciggaretes shop... For in that time, some 4-5 Euro. 21 sextury, Diabolic-Anabolic, Private, Evil Angel, Red Light District, Jules Jordan and many other productions. Not totally original packages but 100% legal, editions from official distributors of those companies here. Some movies even with subtitles. I mean full length movies as originals.

Also in sex shops. Still remember of buying Weapons of Ass Destructions with Gauge, OMG... Or also discovering Brianna Love, Jasmine Byrne, Tory Lane...

Euro DP Queen, Simony Diamond, that beach scene in Budapest. Or Claudia Rossi, Mandy Bright DAP in Euro Angels Hardball... Almost cut my skin that weekend...

[2017sucks]

Damn, cant edit... Forgot to add, that 1st few times I was shy and buying some other DVDs as well, in news papers shop, non XXX DVDs, like Westerns, AC/DC concerts... but with time, I even got courage to tell to selling person to give me XXX DVD in hands, to check back cover (if wasnt sure just from front and movie name, what kind of action inside) Rule was, if no at least 1 DP scene, no buying. And I hated back covers of Private, they were revealing so little, never was sure.

[dap-addict]

It's not apples to apples guys. Not even close. The old price reflected the amount of times human hands touched each item. i.e. packaging, shipping, truck drivers, dock workers...
(...)
I could look at it a different way; look at all the people that have LOST THEIR JOBS

Right you are ofc. Also looks like sometimes I open too many threads to actually fellow them close enough. I say that because I dont remember that post and just re-used same OP reasoning in another thread in order to start positive - even me being still very cross. But I needed a positive start there.
Anyway, its all question of POV. In terms of how much I pay for the product I need its still much cheaper today than 15-20y. ago. Even if today I'd pay 10$ per DAP scene - be it payed in tickets or in $$ - I'd pay the same as I had payed for one of those rare all-DAP dvd/vhs of that times, ie. 4-5 DAPs for 40-50$. But most DAP scenes than were served in single doses, 1 DAP per dvd/vhs. Thus as a consumer/user I payed still 3-4 times more than I pay now.

[bdsmpretty]

Scenes in 'the old days' (no offence OP!) were shot on a far grander scale though, as in fully 'cinematic' productions.

The budget usually covered shooting in multiple locations, a big cast (even paid extras), big league equipment (cams/lights/dolly/techs), full wardrobe and make-up for entire cast, transport, catering, script, plus DVD/artwork and all associated packaging/distributing costs. It was basically Sex-Hollywood, and the POS ticket prices reflected that.

However, porn in the internet age has noticably shrunk dramatically in scope and ambition.
A few US studios still aspire to those production values and shotting on that scale, but in Europe (Europorn once being the Gold Standard for production) it's contracted beyond all recognition really. It's still very enjoyable, but it's a different thing.

Being a porn stills photos fan I recently revisted my Suze (Suzy Randall) and Jim Weathers /James Bertoni (art-bondage shoots) collections (c2000-2010), and the quality of the production for those sets (just still photo shoots, not films) is still way beyond anything we ever see at any of the Prague studios. Costumes, styling, sets, art direction. Another world.

I'm not criticising the Prague or wider European scene, I still love it and support it, but the production values have changed (reduced) dramatically since the period you mention, and so the price of entry is a reflection of that(OP).

[dap-addict]

It was basically Sex-Hollywood, and the POS ticket prices reflected that.However, porn in the internet age has noticably shrunk dramatically in scope and ambition.

Its difficult to compare indeed. Basically it comes down to what you want as a user/consumer/collector of porn. My focus is very limited to 1 main sex act and some side fetishes. I never cared much about locations and mass scenes like the above rock concert. It was ofc cool to watch Gina Blonde fucked on stage in front of a crowd, but by the end of the day I still cared most about her DAP insertion reactions. Thus today's production level is easier acceptable to me, because scenes are reduced to what matters to me, the reduced porn sex core, just the basics.
Call it primitive and cheap, but it still works for me.

[YumYum74]

It was basically Sex-Hollywood, and the POS ticket prices reflected that.However, porn in the internet age has noticably shrunk dramatically in scope and ambition.

Its difficult to compare indeed. Basically it comes down to what you want as a user/consumer/collector of porn. My focus is very limited to 1 main sex act and some side fetishes. I never cared much about locations and mass scenes like the above rock concert. It was ofc cool to watch Gina Blonde fucked on stage in front of a crowd, but by the end of the day I still cared most about her DAP insertion reactions. Thus today's production level is easier acceptable to me, because scenes are reduced to what matters to me, the reduced porn sex core, just the basics.
Call it primitive and cheap, but it still works for me.

Primitive yes, maybe in some ways. But I wouldn’t call it cheap anymore.

[dap-addict]

Cheap in the other sense of the word: ordinary, regular.