What’s with the crazy price increases the last few days?

[Giorgio Grandi]

LOL!
Strange thing is we had xxx and Giorgio writing in here, but both didnt really address OP, but they explained some other price related things. It makes it all the more fishy.

Should I address this: "I can understand there are sometimes price changes, but upping them by this much? If you want to drive people away, this would be the way to do it… "

Tbh, I dont know exactly what to say.
(...)
So, another way is to test the "market" with very low prices compared to others, like the half of before to see if to propose a huge discount compared to the other releases of the day makes a huge difference in sales.

Or to test the market with very high prices?
I really dont get you here, Giorgio, sorry! All we are asking is why prices rise by 30-35% - also in your studios - while Czech inflation is almost 3 times lower?

Dap really, are you reading what I write?
I setup the price in USD and its the same "calculation" (based on production cost) as in the last months, even with inflation my prices did not change much.
What is changed is the conversion rate between tickets and usd, something I cant control as it is the platform to decide about it.
To decrease the price in TKT, as I can not change the conversion rate, I need to decrease the price in USD

[Giorgio Grandi]

Should I address this: "I can understand there are sometimes price changes, but upping them by this much? If you want to drive people away, this would be the way to do it… "

Tbh, I dont know exactly what to say.
My team is setting the same prices in USD as before, using the same logic (I have even a script that calculate it. sometimes we arrange the price when script generate a price that is in out opinion too high, but usually we dont).
The ratio between ticket and usd doesnt depend from me.
To decrease the price in tkt that members pay, I need to decrease the price in USD that "not members" pay.
So, decrease 20% the price in USD, to give to the members the same price in tkt as before, it is not really the deal that keep the same revenue as before. (This to answer to the last post of YumYum74)

So, another way is to test the "market" with very low prices compared to others, like the half of before to see if to propose a huge discount compared to the other releases of the day makes a huge difference in sales. BE aware that to cut the price in tkt in half, means to cut also the price in usd in half at this point, this means double sales wont even be enough to keep the same turnover.
But I will do the experiment, at least we are going to know if there is really a base of members enough wide

Anyway, I do not know where you are based, but inflation here in the CZ is about 12.7% at march 2022

Thanks for responding.

Do you know if your sales come mostly from tickets being redeemed, or from people making one-off cash purchases?

IMO running an experiment to sell an isolated scene at half-price is unlikely to give meaningful information. Because it's an isolated event out of step with the main flow of continuing business.

Personally, I think it's unlikely that cutting prices by 50% would result in more than double the number of sales. Also, I think you may be able to increase total income by increasing prices because the reduction in copies sold could be outweighed by the increased price. Because I think the "impulse buy" demand for your product is relatively insensitive to price changes. But that's just my ignorant opinion.

Also, general price inflation % is measured looking backwards at prices 12 months ago. Of course studios need to be able to cover their cost increases over time, but what we're discussing here is a sudden large price increase overnight, and not compared with prices 12 months back.

you nailed the point, on an emotional purchase the price is a secondary aspect
on the other side, I believe in this historical moment, an hard cut on prices could give some further bond between studio and members, specially between the users that looks at the forum more intensely of others

Regarding inflation, except the regular running cost that are really affected by inflation, price of models skyrocketed more than inflation. you need also to take this is accounting.

[Giorgio Grandi]

@Giorgio. Yes, I noticed when this first popped up that the prices in USD were more or less the same as before. Haven’t checked if this is still the case though, but I will take you on your word. My point in all this was that tickets that I already paid for, suddenly and without warning dropped in value by as much as 35% in some cases. The fact remains that prices fluctuate over time and I have no issue with that in itself. I do mind however if I need to pay 20-40% more (inflation is not THAT high, at least here it’s not) from one day to the next, for the same content, without a single warning or announcement.

You and xxx conduct your businesses the way you think is most profitable, and that’s the way it should be. Agree with avanfurwet on that; if your sales with these new prices stay the same or exceed what they were? You’ll have lost me as a customer 100% but I’m only one guy. By all means, go for it. I’ll try to find a new place to buy my porn. Probably not the same quality, but at least I’ll be saving a lot of money.

Me and xxx conduct the business in each other interest. What is in his interested, it is in my interest too and the other way around, this is not really the point.
The point is to conduct business in a way also you are happy, but the emotionally of the purchase open lots of question mark.

[avanfurwet]

you nailed the point, on an emotional purchase the price is a secondary aspect
on the other side, I believe in this historical moment, an hard cut on prices could give some further bond between studio and members, specially between the users that looks at the forum more intensely of others

Regarding inflation, except the regular running cost that are really affected by inflation, price of models skyrocketed more than inflation. you need also to take this is accounting.

Thank you again for engaging with us ignorant fans. Certainly if consumers believe that they are paying fair prices then they will be more loyal.

Surprised to hear prices of models skyrocketed in a time of economic recession and cost-of-living inflation. Logically that would increase supply of willing workers at reasonable prices. Oh well.

[YumYum74]

@Giorgio. Yes, I noticed when this first popped up that the prices in USD were more or less the same as before. Haven’t checked if this is still the case though, but I will take you on your word. My point in all this was that tickets that I already paid for, suddenly and without warning dropped in value by as much as 35% in some cases. The fact remains that prices fluctuate over time and I have no issue with that in itself. I do mind however if I need to pay 20-40% more (inflation is not THAT high, at least here it’s not) from one day to the next, for the same content, without a single warning or announcement.

You and xxx conduct your businesses the way you think is most profitable, and that’s the way it should be. Agree with avanfurwet on that; if your sales with these new prices stay the same or exceed what they were? You’ll have lost me as a customer 100% but I’m only one guy. By all means, go for it. I’ll try to find a new place to buy my porn. Probably not the same quality, but at least I’ll be saving a lot of money.

Me and xxx conduct the business in each other interest. What is in his interested, it is in my interest too and the other way around, this is not really the point.
The point is to conduct business in a way also you are happy, but the emotionally of the purchase open lots of question mark.

Of course you conduct the business in your interests. Fully understand and appreciate that. Thanks for taking the time to respond.
And to your second sentence: I'm definitely not happy (you already guessed that I'm sure), but I understand what you're saying. You're naturally not just catering to me or the other frequent posters on this forum, but if this situation somehow ends up in something I can be happy about again, I'll have no issue going back to supporting you.
Thanks for replying.

[dap-addict]

Dap really, are you reading what I write?
I setup the price in USD and its the same "calculation" (based on production cost) as in the last months, even with inflation my prices did not change much.
What is changed is the conversion rate between tickets and usd, something I cant control as it is the platform to decide about it.

Than sb please explain me why tkt price based on that new conversion rat skyrocket by 20-35%? It seems not reasonable to me? Looks like sb claiming that 1$ was 22 CZK yesterday but today all of a sudden its 33 CZK.
Sorry, I just dont get it! But what is for sure is that with this communication debacle and crazy ticket price rise you start to de-loyalize long-term subscribers.

[YumYum74]

Certainly if consumers believe that they are paying fair prices then they will be more loyal.

This.

I have no problems spending (a lot) of money. Once I run out of tickets, I usually immediately recharge for 250 tickets more, which happens once or twice a month on average. But I need to have the feeling the prices are fair, and that feeling is currently gone. So why stay loyal?

That's basically the whole thread in a nutshell.

[avanfurwet]

Certainly if consumers believe that they are paying fair prices then they will be more loyal.

This.

I have no problems spending (a lot) of money. Once I run out of tickets, I usually immediately recharge for 250 tickets more, which happens once or twice a month on average. But I need to have the feeling the prices are fair, and that feeling is currently gone. So why stay loyal?

That's basically the whole thread in a nutshell.

Well, GG was at least talking about a price cut to encourage customer loyalty.

I think it's great if Pornbox/studios do something for loyal customers. Something like the more you buy the more you save.

But I guess GG and XXX also have to consider what proportion of their customer base is composed of very loyal customers who buy a lot of scenes, like YumYum and DAP-A. Customers who would remain and buy more if they feel they are treated fairly and taken care of. But how many customers are like that?

Maybe more of the clipstore customers these days are "walk-ins" who cherry-pick scenes and will pay the one-off fee to buy a scene they want? Such customers may be less price-sensitive and also less likely to reward efforts by the studios to encourage their continuing purchases.

[avanfurwet]

Dap really, are you reading what I write?
I setup the price in USD and its the same "calculation" (based on production cost) as in the last months, even with inflation my prices did not change much.
What is changed is the conversion rate between tickets and usd, something I cant control as it is the platform to decide about it.

Than sb please explain me why tkt price based on that new conversion rat skyrocket by 20-35%? It seems not reasonable to me? Looks like sb claiming that 1$ was 22 CZK yesterday but today all of a sudden its 33 CZK.
Sorry, I just dont get it! But what is for sure is that with this communication debacle and crazy ticket price rise you start to de-loyalize long-term subscribers.

I don't understand either. Nor why moving to a more transparent currency-denominated pricing model might risk a 20% fall in revenue and be the death of some studios. But I don't understand the business from the inside so I can't appreciate all the problems to be resolved.

[xxx]

Surprised to hear prices of models skyrocketed in a time of economic recession and cost-of-living inflation. Logically that would increase supply of willing workers at reasonable prices. Oh well.

Model prices never went down. They always go up and up...

[xxx]

Than sb please explain me why tkt price based on that new conversion rat skyrocket by 20-35%? It seems not reasonable to me? Looks like sb claiming that 1$ was 22 CZK yesterday but today all of a sudden its 33 CZK.
Sorry, I just dont get it! But what is for sure is that with this communication debacle and crazy ticket price rise you start to de-loyalize long-term subscribers.

The price is the same today as it was yesterday : 22 czk not 33.

That's one of the dangers of these open discussions : they tend to generate paranoia and aggravate everything.

[Giorgio Grandi]

Dap really, are you reading what I write?
I setup the price in USD and its the same "calculation" (based on production cost) as in the last months, even with inflation my prices did not change much.
What is changed is the conversion rate between tickets and usd, something I cant control as it is the platform to decide about it.

Than sb please explain me why tkt price based on that new conversion rat skyrocket by 20-35%? It seems not reasonable to me? Looks like sb claiming that 1$ was 22 CZK yesterday but today all of a sudden its 33 CZK.
Sorry, I just dont get it! But what is for sure is that with this communication debacle and crazy ticket price rise you start to de-loyalize long-term subscribers.

Dap, we know how long, 10 years?
You are usually very critic and I understand it, but you really need please to keep calm and read. Im not a native speaker, so maybe you need to read me 2 time to get it.
The price of the content did not change, the content still cost 10$. What change is that before MEMBERS needed 7.5tkt to get the scene and now you need more ticket, this because you purchase the content using tickets that you acquired using a membership plan (that is already a discount) instead then purchase directly using usd.

Do you understand the point?
You need to see it also from the opposite prospective, purchasing the content with ticket system, gave you a huge discount. Now that discount is smaller, but still the members have a benefit.

To purchase a scene with tickets, still gives you 10% discount or so.

[YumYum74]

It’s clear that the viewpoints here are diametrically opposed, and I don’t see any way this will be addressed in a way that satisfies customers (like me) that have concerns. Thanks for all the feedback. I’m sure I’ll get some scenes here and there after my current ticket stock runs out, but in any event I wish you all the best with your business(es).

[ayrtight]

There was one more posts about making the subscription more palatable : Decreasing the scene prize after some time .
I am all for it .
I´d go further and suggest to decrease the prize a little bit more with every year that passes . I understand there would be limits to this ( profitability ) , but then I have noticed that as a subscriber I get the whole catalogue ( ? ) of Sineplex Classic and First Gape for free ! ....( Unfortunately they have almost no Gangbangs , models long retired )

In fact there are many old Gangbang scenes that look mildly interesting where I never gave tix bcuz the models were not interesting for me but there might be interesting positions to be used for gif examples .

[Starrio]

I feel XXX should understand the thought process behind costumers when making those conversions.

Point 1: Basically producers set a price in USD, but tickets were not representing that amount correctly.

A) From costumers point of view the ticket price was lower because Pornbox was still paying producers the full USD price, so the difference was taking care already by Pornbox, so Pornbox made less money, but gained more client support, and still rewarded the Producer the same.

Point 2: People choose to spend tickets instead of money

A) I can only speak for myself, but I feel many would feel the same. I reload 120 tickets because I can buy more scenes that way.

B) Buying a scene directly in USD was only done in emergencies, when you didn't have the budget to buy a ticket package, but you still wanted to support the scene.

So the reason why AnalVids looks so bad now is because that is gone. Tickets representing the same value of the USD price makes Pornbox look greedy, and doesn't reward costumers for having the three month subscriptions that give you the most value, and if it still does, it is insignificant now.

It also doesn't give the incentive for costumers to buy those ticket packages anymore. That's bad for the business because when you buy a package, like the 120 tickets one for example, you are likely buying multiple scenes.

Since there is not a lot of incentive to buy these packages anymore since scenes cost so many tickets that the reward is minimum.

That means people will likely buy scenes on USD directly, and that will make them be a lot more picky about what they buy because it is very expensive to do it that way. So instead of buying the package where they would usually get 15 scenes, now they will just buy 1 or 2 scenes. That's bad for the business.

So even if tickets are still the better deal, it is not enough to justify a big package.

The only reason why these packages may still sell is because some studios are still selling their scenes at the same price, so people will still support those, but the expensive studios will only sell a few scenes instead. So their income will decrease over time even if scenes are higher price because there is less space for growth, and they will lose some of the sales from older costumers.

Older costumers will still support and buy some scenes, but even if those are more expensive, that still won't match what they were spending on buying multiple cheaper scenes.

[Starrio]

Let me add, it is basically a lose lose situation, and in this case it doesn't sound like it is the producer's fault, it isn't the market's fault, it isn't the inflation's fault, it isn't the performer's fee's fault, it is PornBox fault directly and only.

It sounds like PornBox wants to make more money from ticket sales, probably to compensate people buying less packages. Ironically causing people to buy less packages over time, so instead of helping PornBox case, it is damaging further, and damaging producers sales along the way.

So PornBox is literally fucking everyone, is is fucking the producers that won't sell as many scenes, it is fucking the clients that won't get as many scenes, and it is fucking the performers that are not going to get hired as much, also raising their fees.

Sure the world is going through inflation and people have less buying power, but in business that's expected, people are supposed to save through those times, so when the bad times come they can continue delivering. Subscription sites have learned this, but it seems this lesson hasn't been learned here.

[Starrio]

This is how good we had it, and why we are not happy with the increase.

If you have a 3 month subscription you get 48 tickets per month, that's 144 tickets.

From there you can reload with 80 USD to get 120 tickets. So if you reload once per month, those are another 360 tickets.

Son in 3 months you end up with around 500 tickets.

A scene that costs 10 USD, will cost 6.7 tickets. Which is a fair price for a 45 minutes scene, and this keeps costumers loyal.

So 500 tickets gets you roughly 75 scenes at that price. While if you were buying the scene in USD, you can only buy 50.

That's 25 scenes more you get to support, enjoy, and keep the market healthy making producers release more good stuff.

Now if tickets only get 10#% discount, you are no getting 75 scenes anymore in those 3 moths, you are only getting 55 scenes.

So you lost 20 scenes that you were happy to get, and this makes the costumer feel betrayed, feel they are getting less value, more bitter, less likely to spend on bigger packages.

Costumers will no even buy those 55 scenes anymore. They will buy at most 25.

So basically you are cutting sales by a third doing this from loyal costumers that are the ones that engage new costumers and make them excited to become regular too. So you are affecting the satisfaction from loyal costumers, and at the same time slowing the growth of new clients engaging in these practices.

It is not producers that are driving people to subscription sites, it is the lack of incentive from PornBox to use this "buy each scene" method that is doing it by having this changes that mess with costumers expectations.

Expectations that made them loyal in the first place and now are upsetting them and driving them slowly to move on to other alternatives.

[Starrio]

I hate to say this, but maybe it is time for GIO to move on away from PornBox, we don't want to lose GIO the same way we slowly have been losing Gonzo since they started increasing their prices during the pandemic.

At least if GIO has its own thing we can support the brand in a very transparent way somewhere else.

Quality is not enough if prices don't meet the market's expectations.

For example the studio Black In White had insane quality, but it never took off in PornBox because the prices were too high.

If those scenes of Black In White were 6 or 7 tickets, that studio would have been a top studio for sure.

On the other hand BlackedRaw and Blacked still exist, are still profitable, and keep growing because they meet the market expectations.

Or maybe this is just temporary and PornBox will fix their shit, and things will go back to normal, who knows.

[Starrio]

That's one of the dangers of these open discussions : they tend to generate paranoia and aggravate everything.

There is no danger in understanding your costumers points of view, the danger is in not understanding it.

Costumers will have these points of view whether accurate or not regardless if there is a discussion or not.

So ultimately it will always put you in a better position when you understand the costumer's opinion whether the costumers are completely wrong or not.

[avanfurwet]

My simple fictional example:

If I buy 80 tkts on Monday for USD 80, and on Monday I can get 10 scenes for 8 tkts each, but on Wednesday similar new scenes are priced at 10 tkts each so now I can only get 8 of them, then the price of scenes has increased for me. My USD 80 buys 20% fewer scenes on Wednesday. This is the reality experienced by customers.

The internal accounting between Pornbox and the studios is a red herring. Of course it matters to the businesses, but the customer only cares about how much it costs him to buy his scenes.

The "discount" to customers who buy tickets is also a red herring. If you reduce the discount then you are increasing the price paid.

The tickets are just the internal currency of Pornbox. We pay our dollars, euros etc. and you sell us tickets. If we buy more tickets or sign up for a regular purchase, you give us a better price. Of course the scene prices in tickets must be lower than the scene price in USD, EUR etc. Otherwise nobody would pay out hard currency in advance to buy your tickets which can only be redeemed on your site, where you can change the tkt prices overnight so their tickets suddenly buy less scenes. As I understand, this is why YumYum is so annoyed since he just bought 250 tkts.

[YumYum74]

The tickets are just the internal currency of Pornbox. We pay our dollars, euros etc. and you sell us tickets. If we buy more tickets or sign up for a regular purchase, you give us a better price. Of course the scene prices in tickets must be lower than the scene price in USD, EUR etc. Otherwise nobody would pay out hard currency in advance to buy your tickets which can only be redeemed on your site, where you can change the tkt prices overnight so their tickets suddenly buy less scenes. As I understand, this is why YumYum is so annoyed since he just bought 250 tkts.

This is what it boils down to, yes.

[Giorgio Grandi]

Starrio
First of all GG stays where he is, I mean here on PB.

PB pays studios like me, that publish exclusive content, basically 100% of what they get from you, so the rate is not changed to make PB to gain more money, but to give to the studio a chance to keep stability with their revenue in a difficult moment.

After 2 years of trouble with covid now we have a war behind the corner.
We basically lost 2 country. Maybe Ucrain deosnt have a lot of costumers and Russia did not provide so much sales as USA, but still, we lost customers and a lot.
There is a fucking worldwide crisis, people has less money to spend and believe me or not, there is a big possibility it will be even worse.
With covid, people was at home doing nothing, paid anyway and watching porn and netflix, now they are back to work, with almost doubled bills.

To change the rate just help studios in a difficult moment, because this moment is very complicate and it makes sense to lose some members because of this: PB is protection the studios.

The point is simple as it is. Do you want to support the kind of porn you like or you want it disappear?

[YumYum74]

The tickets are just the internal currency of Pornbox. We pay our dollars, euros etc. and you sell us tickets. If we buy more tickets or sign up for a regular purchase, you give us a better price. Of course the scene prices in tickets must be lower than the scene price in USD, EUR etc. Otherwise nobody would pay out hard currency in advance to buy your tickets which can only be redeemed on your site, where you can change the tkt prices overnight so their tickets suddenly buy less scenes. As I understand, this is why YumYum is so annoyed since he just bought 250 tkts.

This is what it boils down to, yes.

Edit: I should add that this is what STARTED to get me annoyed. The follow up attempts at explanations/damage control only reinforced and increased my annoyance. Whether intentional or not (maybe it's a language thing, most of us only speak English as a second language after all), I have the feeling these attempts lacked honesty and only increased the confusion.

Anyway, this is (probably) my last post on this subject. I've made my position clear, can't really add any more without repeating myself.

[dap-addict]

So basically you are cutting sales by a third doing this from loyal costumers that are the ones that engage new costumers and make them excited to become regular too. So you are affecting the satisfaction from loyal costumers, and at the same time slowing the growth of new clients engaging in these practices.

Exactly!
Also lets add that users buying the 3-mt subscription pay around 80$ at once, which helps pre-finance studio production ideally.
But even less I can understand why PB penalized loyal subscribers, loyal clients and loyal forum posters creating consumers traffic on PB for free.

Let it be a 12% price rise for those who pay with tickets, but not a 36% price rise!
Because with this you shy away your most dedicated supporters and that will create losses not now, but in the long run.

[dap-addict]

Than sb please explain me why tkt price based on that new conversion rat skyrocket by 20-35%? It seems not reasonable to me? Looks like sb claiming that 1$ was 22 CZK yesterday but today all of a sudden its 33 CZK.
Sorry, I just dont get it! But what is for sure is that with this communication debacle and crazy ticket price rise you start to de-loyalize long-term subscribers.

The price is the same today as it was yesterday : 22 czk not 33.

That's one of the dangers of these open discussions : they tend to generate paranoia and aggravate everything.

That sounds pretty arrogant actually!
I was clearly talking about ticket prices, not $ prices.
Tickets in my post is just a currency, the same way as CZK or £ are currencies.

[dap-addict]

Dap really, are you reading what I write?
I setup the price in USD and its the same "calculation" (based on production cost) as in the last months, even with inflation my prices did not change much.
What is changed is the conversion rate between tickets and usd, something I cant control as it is the platform to decide about it.

Than sb please explain me why tkt price based on that new conversion rat skyrocket by 20-35%? It seems not reasonable to me? Looks like sb claiming that 1$ was 22 CZK yesterday but today all of a sudden its 33 CZK.
Sorry, I just dont get it! But what is for sure is that with this communication debacle and crazy ticket price rise you start to de-loyalize long-term subscribers.

Dap, we know how long, 10 years?
You are usually very critic and I understand it, but you really need please to keep calm and read. Im not a native speaker, so maybe you need to read me 2 time to get it.
The price of the content did not change, the content still cost 10$. What change is that before MEMBERS needed 7.5tkt to get the scene and now you need more ticket, this because you purchase the content using tickets that you acquired using a membership plan (that is already a discount) instead then purchase directly using usd.

Do you understand the point?
You need to see it also from the opposite prospective, purchasing the content with ticket system, gave you a huge discount. Now that discount is smaller, but still the members have a benefit.

To purchase a scene with tickets, still gives you 10% discount or so.

12 or 13 years I think Giorgio. And thanks for this answer, because its the 1st clear statement here from PB and producers side. Gracie motto!

Now, 10% discount instead of 30% or so is of course a bit little given the fact that we subscribers pay 80$ at once and not 10$ for each scene. 80$ you can invest at once! Also for sure subscribers tend to buy scenes in bulk instead of each scene on its own. And loyalty once destroyed cannot get built up that fast again!

[Starrio]

Starrio
First of all GG stays where he is, I mean here on PB.

PB pays studios like me, that publish exclusive content, basically 100% of what they get from you, so the rate is not changed to make PB to gain more money, but to give to the studio a chance to keep stability with their revenue in a difficult moment.

After 2 years of trouble with covid now we have a war behind the corner.
We basically lost 2 country. Maybe Ucrain deosnt have a lot of costumers and Russia did not provide so much sales as USA, but still, we lost customers and a lot.
There is a fucking worldwide crisis, people has less money to spend and believe me or not, there is a big possibility it will be even worse.
With covid, people was at home doing nothing, paid anyway and watching porn and netflix, now they are back to work, with almost doubled bills.

To change the rate just help studios in a difficult moment, because this moment is very complicate and it makes sense to lose some members because of this: PB is protection the studios.

The point is simple as it is. Do you want to support the kind of porn you like or you want it disappear?

Obviously all fans here buy scenes to support it, sometimes people don't even watch some scenes right away and remain in the backlog just because clients know that their money is supporting the industry and the type of content. Otherwise we would all be watching free sites and torrents, but that's already understood.

How much have I spend in the site? 10K? 15K? That speaks volumes. I know you guys over the years have spend millions in producing, spends hundreds of thousands yearly, but there is a reason why that happens, and that is because multiple people consume.

The reason why we voice out the concern is because just like you guys are not a charity, you are business and want to make money, we also want to be treated fairly too, with our expectations. We buy tickets in good faith, we buy videos in good faith, and it is not surprising that we react when this good faith changes all of the sudden.

Successful industries understand this basic concept, and that's the difference between going bankrupt or staying in business.

Expectations matter.

As an example the gaming industry. Games has cost $60 USD since 1996, and they still cost that on launch, then they go down on price over time.

But inflations keeps growing up, making games is more and more expensive.

Mortal Kombat in 1992 was made by 4 people, Mortal Kombat 9 in 2011 was made by 1,500 people.

But the price is still the same $60 at launch because the industry understand the importance of expectations.

So the industry found ways to make money elsewhere with DLC, Add-Ons, Loot Boxes, Microtransactions, and Season Passes.

Sure they had to produce more content on the side to match the inflation, and the costs, but they found a way to keep expectations in check.

This is why it is important to recognize the concern of costumers because it is not an overnight thing, numbers start going down, customers starts going down, sales start going down, production starts going down, but it may take some time before we are just a shadow of the former self.

Good thing not everything has changed, some scenes are still offered at a decent price, so some scenes will still be easy to support depending of the quality offered, once in a while we may support and expensive scene, but it is important to realize we won't be able to support as many scenes and performers as we used to, and that has to be taken into account as well.

[dap-addict]

The reason why we voice out the concern is because just like you guys are not a charity, you are business and want to make money, we also want to be treated fairly too, with our expectations. We buy tickets in good faith, we buy videos in good faith, and it is not surprising that we react when this good faith changes all of the sudden.

+ 1

PB destroy loyalty, okay, go on then if your arrogance tells you to do so, but dont be surprised when heavy subscribing and re-loading users will buy far less. I have about 5000 scenes in my Pornbox and I already started watching old scenes I bought to support your biz and the girls but never watched so far. Now I'll watch them and dont buy new scenes with my tickets.

[netzerkaiser]

Starrio

The point is simple as it is. Do you want to support the kind of porn you like or you want it disappear?

It might be worth stating that the stuff many people like is the kind of straight 1-1, DP stuff that was the norm here 5-10 years ago, & as I've said before, fantastic back-catalogue.

I really don't feel that AV appreciate the affection so many have for this simple stuff, & the value of back catalogue & the style of the back catalogue.

AV I think, pushed DAP onto many of us - I find as arousing as pumping my bicycle... & I certainly am not here for rough Mr Anderson aggression viagra filled scenes.

Many of us have simple tastes.

By creating this extreme pornographic image for the site, you are in danger of convincing yourselves that you are filling a niche that members can't find elsewhere.

Truth is, for many of us, the reason we are here is out of loyalty to what you did 2008 - 2017.

Don't underestimate the greatness of what LP was & its importance to people. Its monumental.

Don't overestimate your current role either. I can take or leave pretty much the output of the past 5 years easily enough.

I'm only trying to offer a perspective. The USA scene now is inexplicably as vibrant as ever, the Eastern Euro scene has declined dramatically in spite of lesser career options for young women.

I think you need to go back to the drawing board.

Thats just my perspective.

[dap-addict]

Netzer, sorry, its not about the content offered now or in future (for this question there are 100 other threads), but about users on PB subscriptions with allocated tickets.

[netzerkaiser]

Netzer, sorry, its not about the content offered now or in future (for this question there are 100 other threads), but about users on PB subscriptions with allocated tickets.

But it is.

When its said "about the porn you like", then one can rightfully, I feel, link price hikes with the 'unique' content offered, as though, "well, you're here for TAP or whatever" - "we provide that niche"...

When truth is, many of us are not... but as I said, to the greatness of the many different formulas of 2008 - 2017.

Its a very pertinent point I feel I'm making, & absolutely reasonable & relevant to the direct issue at hand.

[dap-addict]

Really sorry, bro. But we are talking about price rises that started all over a sudden 4 days ago only, on April 11th to be precise. Its not about general price rises. Its only about ticket prices changing between April 11th 2022 and so far April 14th 2022.

[netzerkaiser]

Really sorry, bro. But we are talking about price rises that started all over a sudden 4 days ago only, on April 11th to be precise. Its not about general price rises. Its only about ticket prices changing between April 11th 2022 and so far April 14th 2022.

No problem. Respect to you as ever.

All I was trying to do was get behind the psyche that can convince itself to justify such increases to customer base.

[ayrtight]

I also think the content is connected to this topic :

I felt much more comfartable giving tix to Gzo and Gio until 2017 bcuz I knew similar classic scenes would come . Even if the scene was not satisfactory for me then I could get sure that one of the 3 next ones was going to be - investing into future great models and scenes . Not now .
With the susbsequent transformation into extreme / strange niche content that has changed and I analize many factors nowadays before giving tix .

[netzerkaiser]

I also think the content is connected to this topic :

I felt much more comfartable giving tix to Gzo and Gio until 2017 bcuz I knew similar classic scenes would come . Even if the scene was not satisfactory for me then I could get sure that one of the 3 next ones was going to be - investing into future great models and scenes . Not now .
With the susbsequent transformation into extreme / strange niche content that has changed and I analize many factors nowadays before giving tix .

Thanks. Again, where is the 'like' button?

[dap-addict]

Really sorry, bro. But we are talking about price rises that started all over a sudden 4 days ago only, on April 11th to be precise. Its not about general price rises. Its only about ticket prices changing between April 11th 2022 and so far April 14th 2022.

No problem. Respect to you as ever.

All I was trying to do was get behind the psyche that can convince itself to justify such increases to customer base.

Understood. But please lets not water down the OP concern!
It is really only about what is happening with ticket prices in Pornbox during last 4 days. Maybe you didnt even notice it because you dont shop almost daily here, but heavy users sure noticed some strange things happening all over a sudden with no warning at all.

[netzerkaiser]

Really sorry, bro. But we are talking about price rises that started all over a sudden 4 days ago only, on April 11th to be precise. Its not about general price rises. Its only about ticket prices changing between April 11th 2022 and so far April 14th 2022.

No problem. Respect to you as ever.

All I was trying to do was get behind the psyche that can convince itself to justify such increases to customer base.

Understood. But please lets not water down the OP concern!
It is really only about what is happening with ticket prices in Pornbox during last 4 days. Maybe you didnt even notice it because you dont shop almost daily here, but heavy users sure noticed some strange things happening all over a sudden with no warning at all.

Understood. & plaudits to you for going out on a limb so heroically here.

Kudos.

[Giorgio Grandi]

Giorgio, why you make so many scenes with Non-European (Waka, Blackened) men when they are not selling to the same amount? They get benefit of broken algorithm for "recommended" and still not selling particularly well?


Are you making most your money from Tubesite views and so SALES not so important?

Or you just major LGBT cuck and cannot help yourself, even if it means more profit?


Tired of this shit always flooded the front page. Sometimes 60% the scenes and no filter exist to screen it out. Also, it is visible throughout the internet and non-porn addict notice this and see Europeans as depraved cucks because so much is produced.

Just disgusting and sad.

Interracial wins on white 2-0.
Interracial porn sells more and better, lots of girls would not have a chance to make more than 2 scene without performing most of scene with black boys.

[Starrio]

To explain the gaming industry example further in porn context.

Imagine anal scenes cost 3 tickets, and a consumer buys 20 anal scenes in a month.

They spend 60 tickets.

The reason why they buy 20 anal scenes is because those are the ones they like and want to support.

However making scenes becomes more expensive. So what the producer does? He makes other offerings the costumer may like. They start selling fisting scenes with the same hot girls the costumer likes, now he starts selling BTS scenes, maybe he starts making new series.

So now the costumer starts buying 120 scenes. Still at 3 tickets because all of the sudden there is more stuff to buy.

Well, that's what happened with DLC, Add-Ons, Season Passes, Loot Boxes, and Microtransactions, while keeping the same base price for the base game.

However here the approach is different. Sure they start releasing more content, but the prices also increase. So now the costumer instead of having the incentive to buy more, it has the incentive to become more picky and buy less. Which means all the extra content doesn't sell.

It's like making games cost $120 and on top of that wanting to sell the DLC, Add-Ons, etc., it doesn't work because now the costumer doesn't even know if he wants the main game, let alone the extras. The buyer will buy less games, and still support paying more, but ultimately spending less.

It is very easy to understand. Quantity matters, just as much as quality, and expectations matter too.

Since people become fans and want to support, and become addicts even, the best approach will always be the one the gaming industry and all industries use, keep the price, but produce other offerings. Not just Coke, also Cherry Coke, Diet Coke, Vanilla Coke, Coke Zero, etc., It is such a basic principle that was born out of the necessity of inflation.

Now the same studio does gangbangs, does 1 on 1, does pissing, does fisting, does BTS, does toys, does blacks only, does whites only, does teens, does DP, DAP, DVP, mixed scenes, so now the base is bigger and the prices remain the same.

But if the prices go up, all that extra content goes to waste because people will buy it less and less over time, and when the market is good and sales come, it will give a false sense of hope that over time will be apparent.

That's how you go from releasing 1 scene per day, to 1 scene per week, and slowly lose your base because there is less content for the different types of costumers. Through the bad times the solution is always increase the output, know your base, offer other options, and keep expectations in check. If it works with every industry over time it applies to everything else.

[dap-addict]

The more we water down OP new, the more we allow PB management to back out with answers. OP had just recharged tickets before April 11th ticket price hikes. Me, I have a 3mt subscription running (since 8years!) allocating tickets that have now suddenly 1/3 less buying power. I'm heroic because I feel treated arrogantly and loyalty always was import for me, and I also demand(ed) it from the girl and directors.