Pierre Woodman: "I am a bastard and break the will of girls"

[dap-addict]

...but much more her manager that wanted to get as more shootings as possible for her as he was stealing the 50% of her rate and making good business by taking advantage of her.

50%?!
WTF!
Now these ppl are friends of the Bp lier APE...

[Panorama]

Damn...... I'm out of popcorn!!

[robin_reid]

...but much more her manager that wanted to get as more shootings as possible for her as he was stealing the 50% of her rate and making good business by taking advantage of her.

50%?!
WTF!
Now these ppl are friends of the Bp lier APE...

Well, most of the times the producers when pay the models doesn’t know that the manager/recruiter that is behind the model is stealing an insane rate from her. Myself when I booked Ginebra I did not know that. Then when I knew it I stopped dealing with him forever. The “friendship” of PW with this guy is nothing else than just biz interest because from time to time he provide some new model to him, as same he did with me in the past. 100% of the models that this guy catch, leave from him sooner or later when realize the scam, 100%.

[robin_reid]

is stealing an insane rate from her.

I meant an insane fee

[IndyPleco]

Anything higher than 10% is absolutely retarded for a manager.

Why would you not just pay the model directly out of policy? That's how the UFC pays its mma fighters. Too many scummy cunts taking advantage of the uninformed.

Pay the girl directly, and take that undeserved power away from her shitty manager by making him trust her to pay him his share.

[ValenciaCF]

Good idea for girls to have control over their own careers and not be puppets for PW to do whatever he wants and lie that he build up their careers. Where is his beloved Alisia Wonderland? Already she quit after her work with him.

Lets not forget how he brag about himelf and even suggest that the reason girls get contracts is because of him lol. He is their agent or what? I start to laugh when told how he "presented" Tiffany Leiddi the french actress to Mr Dorcel and act like he was the reason for her Dorcel contract. What a load of bull. So why he don't do this with all the other French girls???

[robin_reid]

Everytime appears a new girl in the biz, if she is pretty, everyone, really everyone in the biz (agencies, directors, etc…) will try to reach her no matter with who she debuted or what she did before. They don’t need any Woodman to build their careers or present them to others.

[BlueShadow]

The messages he sent Ginebra says it all. He is more concerned about his own business and money than Ginebra worrying about her own financial well being. He couldn't vare less. Its all about him and the way he looks to the public. So Ginebra must only work for him and refuse to make money for herself. Is he going to pay all her bills.

It's all here. It's all about his business, the main reason he keep say this shit to newbies is that.

Who knows how much money he made on the backs of many newbies who really trusted him and who waited to do other jobs but then for one reason or another they left.
While instead if they become popular start bragging that it is only because they started there. Turning a matter of probability into its own merit. What a genius.
Always the same modus operandi.


And the way he looks to the public. Watch how he cries with Laura Orsoloya: They told me I was a liar!!!
(as if she really should care about )


Then Laura had to go along with him and did that interview to not make him look like a stupid. He is like a child.

[BlueShadow]

Actually who replied this whatssap was the ex manager of Ginebra, a sinister guy that Woodman considers “his friend”. This manager was who offered me Ginebra for anal scenes, and I did shoot her for Firstanalquest and for Mofos while she was under this manager. Ginebra was a newcomer and I guess that she also wanted to shoot more anal scenes for others, but much more her manager that wanted to get as more shootings as possible for her as he was stealing the 50% of her rate and making good business by taking advantage of her. After me this manager also offered her to Gz studio etc etc… But Woodman only blames on Ginebra, that at time she was just a puppet between these 2 women abuser, the manager and him. Fortunatelly very soon she realized about these 2 persons, she parted ways with both and continued her successful carrer by her own.

Even weirder than it seems.

[sensitivia.skin]

and what did she receive back? insulting her and calling her skank

Me? Where?

You also misinterpreted that she quit LP while she never posted any post about quitting.

Really? Sorry if I have misinterpreted

But this was BEFORE my comments. Yes, it's my fault if she said this BEFORE my comments.

We keep on talking about the same thing, but the point that escapes is always one.

here seems to me quite clear, nothing to interpret.
Then why that attitude with a fan?
And all of that, if you have eyes and see the dates/hours of the post (no need for Sherlock) was BEFORE I made those comments, so also stop accusing me of everything. LOL

(And then about harrassing girl about other productions, who made that first comment talking bad about LP? Certainly not me...)





On that conversation with Woodman she is sarcastic...ok...but next time, if it is so offensive to be associated with ''piss'', it would be better to reply to him: "what are you talking about?" Or maybe it wasn't the case to contradict him and play his game by letting others think that PW did piss in the first scene (casting)? Not my fault.
Are they afraid to say no these models? Otherwise what? Happens like Lara Malvo that was accused just because she said STOP during a PORN shoot?
And now I'll show you something else, which you will surely have noticed.

Since I'm a troll I show another fact:
https://sendvid.com/27sqe80n

She mutters something and clearly annoyed by it, and even turns her face away after the cut.

So if they want to be respected they should think about where they go to work. The question is: Here she knew from the beginning that the cumshot would be in the mouth and all was agreed before the scene? If yes, why that attitude? Another question, not accusation...sometime people misplace the two things...
And it's to point out his behaviors and how he is able to manipulate them,always his sneaky behaviour, not to attack the models who let themselves, unfortunately, involved with him.
But the fault is mine that I ask myself questions on some professional behaviour.
It's ok.
They would think to go to real productions, not to a toxic one that pretends to make ''porn'' just to satisfy his cravings and expose some girls, lies to his members (fact, look the post above, if people have eyes to see...), makes fake advertising /fact), invents stories(fact), speaks bad of other producers (fact).


If they really think I have the POWER to not make the girls work for LP or whatever (as you think XD or as that clown wants to make people think and use this only to have more material to manipulate the models in his way) just ban me. Is not LP/AV that give me the bread.


In the meantime let those idiots who pay believe that they have seen the ONLY anal on camera of AZYZA RYAD , if that is what they want to believe. Fairytales. Not my money in the end...

I don’t care what his members believe and you seem to care too much about it as you had some advantages by expressing your hate. Okay so you imply that Jayla should not be respected just because she worked with him? And sorry but I’m laughing now. You think two screenshots in Spanish which are not even about quitting mean that she quit LP.
I think you should really get to her level learn all the languages she can speak YES WE ALL SEE SOME FANS CANT BELIEVE THIS KIND OF GIRL JOINED THE BIZ. I haven’t seen any other girl speaking so many languages and being smoking hot and knowing how to play. I had to translate these screenshots and I can say you are wrong if you really think this meant that she quit. You probably too young or too stupid to understand this woman so next time save us your bullshit.

Of course I noticed that she “muttered something” now you slowly begin to understand that this is not the type of model who can be brainwashed by producer. She entered the industry at 27 which is not the average age to start this biz. I think she is way too smart and you can only dream about girls like her. Maybe this is the reason you still express your shit about her and another models. Ginebra quit for good and she is no more active but you still bring up her topic like a child. Can’t you see these girls have their private lives? You are no one in this game but okay you will keep on talking this thing is sure because you can’t do nothing else in this life you loser. I think it’s time to take other users advice seriously and put you on ignore list like many already did

[BlueShadow]

You probably too young or too stupid to understand this woman so next time save us your bullshit.

Well, it depends compared to what and to whom. Everything is relative.

Ginebra quit for good and she is no more active but you still bring up her topic like a child. Can’t you see these girls have their private lives?

And who's talking about private life?
You should tell that to PW, a professional producer, who as he says: if a girl is a bad bitch outside of work (so private life) he says it without any shame.

Then he also says that girls have feelings and can be hurt from comments.
Obviously the ones he bash like Ginebra Bellucci, Liz Rainbow, Zlata Shine, Ivy Rein etc. didn't have feelings...
so yes, I confirm what I said, if a professional model wants to be respected should see well with whom she works, certainly I would not work with one who is always ready "without shame" (as he says) to expose the girls and to speak bad of them and to invent stories and gossip.

You think two screenshots in Spanish which are not even about quitting mean that she quit LP.
I think you should really get to her level learn all the languages she can speak YES WE ALL SEE SOME FANS CANT BELIEVE THIS KIND OF GIRL JOINED THE BIZ. I haven’t seen any other girl speaking so many languages and being smoking hot and knowing how to play. I had to translate these screenshots and I can say you are wrong if you really think this meant that she quit.

Except that they are not two screenshots in Spanish...one is in Spanish, the other in English...but ok...it's not important...

I know, sometimes the understanding of the text can be difficult, notyour fault, not mine (maybe you have to change the translator), especially if it's not our mother language, but let's reason by logic:
What exactly did she mean by "Gracias a Dios eran solo 3 escenas"? Thank God it was only 3 scenes?
Usually the expression 'thank God' is used as an exclamation of relief for the end of bad things and the like.
But , I repeat, you have understood differently, for me there is nothing to understand, there is only an objective truth.

Second sentence...
"feel free to watch those 3 scenes over and over again I'm done!"

What did she mean by over and over again? And I'm done with exclamation points?
Well, that fan could watch those scenes over and over again, because they would be the last ones. That ties in with the first sentence she said...well, it stands alone.
Then if for you those two comments on IG were positive comments. Well, I envy your naivety.

Apart from the fact that there was no need to respond in that way to a fan, but everyone is free to act as she wants.

Plus those replies came after I had read this (her comments just some day before):



so excuse me if I was surprised by those salty replies. (and all this BEFORE my comments, so don't even try to blame me for something she had already said) next time I'll really pretend to not see like the three little monkeys.
And then my dear friend... I've already shown how producers talk bad about models and agencies but in the end they work there anyway... and you're worried about a member's comments on a forum... so really, I don't understand all this concern...I'm sure you, unlike me who's a loser, will have other things to think about than Jayla De Angelis. Life goes on.

I think it’s time to take other users advice seriously and put you on ignore list like many already did

Don't worry. I will not lose sleep on that.

[sensitivia.skin]

You probably too young or too stupid to understand this woman so next time save us your bullshit.

Well, it depends compared to what and to whom. Everything is relative.

Ginebra quit for good and she is no more active but you still bring up her topic like a child. Can’t you see these girls have their private lives?

And who's talking about private life?
You should tell that to PW, a professional producer, who as he says: if a girl is a bad bitch outside of work (so private life) he says it without any shame.

Then he also says that girls have feelings and can be hurt from comments.
Obviously the ones he bash like Ginebra Bellucci, Liz Rainbow, Zlata Shine, Ivy Rein etc. didn't have feelings...
so yes, I confirm what I said, if a professional model wants to be respected should see well with whom she works, certainly I would not work with one who is always ready "without shame" (as he says) to expose the girls and to speak bad of them and to invent stories and gossip.

You think two screenshots in Spanish which are not even about quitting mean that she quit LP.
I think you should really get to her level learn all the languages she can speak YES WE ALL SEE SOME FANS CANT BELIEVE THIS KIND OF GIRL JOINED THE BIZ. I haven’t seen any other girl speaking so many languages and being smoking hot and knowing how to play. I had to translate these screenshots and I can say you are wrong if you really think this meant that she quit.

Except that they are not two screenshots in Spanish...one is in Spanish, the other in English...but ok...it's not important...

I know, sometimes the understanding of the text can be difficult, notyour fault, not mine (maybe you have to change the translator), especially if it's not our mother language, but let's reason by logic:
What exactly did she mean by "Gracias a Dios eran solo 3 escenas"? Thank God it was only 3 scenes?
Usually the expression 'thank God' is used as an exclamation of relief for the end of bad things and the like.
But , I repeat, you have understood differently, for me there is nothing to understand, there is only an objective truth.

Second sentence...
"feel free to watch those 3 scenes over and over again I'm done!"

What did she mean by over and over again? And I'm done with exclamation points?
Well, that fan could watch those scenes over and over again, because they would be the last ones. That ties in with the first sentence she said...well, it stands alone.
Then if for you those two comments on IG were positive comments. Well, I envy your naivety.

Apart from the fact that there was no need to respond in that way to a fan, but everyone is free to act as she wants.

Plus those replies came after I had read this (her comments just some day before):



so excuse me if I was surprised by those salty replies. (and all this BEFORE my comments, so don't even try to blame me for something she had already said) next time I'll really pretend to not see like the three little monkeys.
And then my dear friend... I've already shown how producers talk bad about models and agencies but in the end they work there anyway... and you're worried about a member's comments on a forum... so really, I don't understand all this concern...I'm sure you, unlike me who's a loser, will have other things to think about than Jayla De Angelis. Life goes on.

I think it’s time to take other users advice seriously and put you on ignore list like many already did

Don't worry. I will not lose sleep on that.

that's strange that you are the only *fan* who misunderstood her im really sorry I dont know what trauma you had and apparently you still didn't recover. have a nice life although it has to be hard to live as someone with so damaged brain obsessed with girls doing porn. Im more than sure you have never seen a girl like them in reality so keep on jerking off to them and then speaking how incoherent they are this is your only pleasure in your sad life.

[sensitivia.skin]

You probably too young or too stupid to understand this woman so next time save us your bullshit.

Well, it depends compared to what and to whom. Everything is relative.

Ginebra quit for good and she is no more active but you still bring up her topic like a child. Can’t you see these girls have their private lives?

And who's talking about private life?
You should tell that to PW, a professional producer, who as he says: if a girl is a bad bitch outside of work (so private life) he says it without any shame.

Then he also says that girls have feelings and can be hurt from comments.
Obviously the ones he bash like Ginebra Bellucci, Liz Rainbow, Zlata Shine, Ivy Rein etc. didn't have feelings...
so yes, I confirm what I said, if a professional model wants to be respected should see well with whom she works, certainly I would not work with one who is always ready "without shame" (as he says) to expose the girls and to speak bad of them and to invent stories and gossip.

You think two screenshots in Spanish which are not even about quitting mean that she quit LP.
I think you should really get to her level learn all the languages she can speak YES WE ALL SEE SOME FANS CANT BELIEVE THIS KIND OF GIRL JOINED THE BIZ. I haven’t seen any other girl speaking so many languages and being smoking hot and knowing how to play. I had to translate these screenshots and I can say you are wrong if you really think this meant that she quit.

Except that they are not two screenshots in Spanish...one is in Spanish, the other in English...but ok...it's not important...

I know, sometimes the understanding of the text can be difficult, notyour fault, not mine (maybe you have to change the translator), especially if it's not our mother language, but let's reason by logic:
What exactly did she mean by "Gracias a Dios eran solo 3 escenas"? Thank God it was only 3 scenes?
Usually the expression 'thank God' is used as an exclamation of relief for the end of bad things and the like.
But , I repeat, you have understood differently, for me there is nothing to understand, there is only an objective truth.

Second sentence...
"feel free to watch those 3 scenes over and over again I'm done!"

What did she mean by over and over again? And I'm done with exclamation points?
Well, that fan could watch those scenes over and over again, because they would be the last ones. That ties in with the first sentence she said...well, it stands alone.
Then if for you those two comments on IG were positive comments. Well, I envy your naivety.

Apart from the fact that there was no need to respond in that way to a fan, but everyone is free to act as she wants.

Plus those replies came after I had read this (her comments just some day before):



so excuse me if I was surprised by those salty replies. (and all this BEFORE my comments, so don't even try to blame me for something she had already said) next time I'll really pretend to not see like the three little monkeys.
And then my dear friend... I've already shown how producers talk bad about models and agencies but in the end they work there anyway... and you're worried about a member's comments on a forum... so really, I don't understand all this concern...I'm sure you, unlike me who's a loser, will have other things to think about than Jayla De Angelis. Life goes on.

I think it’s time to take other users advice seriously and put you on ignore list like many already did

Don't worry. I will not lose sleep on that.

that's strange that you are the only *fan* who misunderstood her im really sorry I dont know what trauma you had and apparently you still didn't recover. have a nice life although it has to be hard to live as someone with so damaged brain obsessed with girls doing porn. Im more than sure you have never seen a girl like them in reality so keep on jerking off to them and then speaking how incoherent they are this is your only pleasure in your sad life.

I wish everyone could understand the concept of sarcasm and being sarcastic well small dick syndrome in this case didn't let him to think reasonably and understand things in his way like with every model he does please ban this user because everyone is tired of his crap

[BlueShadow]

that's strange that you are the only *fan* who misunderstood her im really sorry I dont know what trauma you had and apparently you still didn't recover. have a nice life although it has to be hard to live as someone with so damaged brain obsessed with girls doing porn. Im more than sure you have never seen a girl like them in reality so keep on jerking off to them and then speaking how incoherent they are this is your only pleasure in your sad life.

Yes, obsessed with girl doing porn, and you are still here talking about Jayla De Angelis lol

[BlueShadow]

I wish everyone could understand the concept of sarcasm and being sarcastic well small dick syndrome in this case didn't let him to think reasonably and understand things in his way like with every model he does please ban this user because everyone is tired of his crap

The only way you found to contradict logical facts: she was just being sarcastic. Very convincing. What a genius. (Aside from the insults you keep giving me, I never gave you any, sure you're better than me?)

Sarcasm is generally used in an emotionally negative situation, when you are animated by feelings such as frustration, anger, resentment, antipathy, envy towards the other. Sarcasm is a relative, very distantly, of irony.



And yet you still haven't put me on the ignore list? You're like PW, all talk.
But you can continue, I like the way you are obsessed with Jayla De Angelis, or what I say.

[ValenciaCF]

And the way he looks to the public. Watch how he cries with Laura Orsoloya: They told me I was a liar!!!
(as if she really should care about )


Then Laura had to go along with him and did that interview to not make him look like a stupid. He is like a child.

I knew he was going to be acting paranoid which is why I posted that pic of her in the Vian Cafe to make him look stupid and he did exactly what I expected lol he went and asked her if she was still in the country to make sure because he have to be her big boss and show everyone that he bot make himself like a stupid. So he paid her fortune to do the interview and he still couldn't fuck her ass himself lololol she will never let this ape anywhere near her. Laura is smart. It was her who controlled him and fot her money for her interview. So yeah she will probably fuck with one of his team or the girls but never with the ape. He can only dream as he has been dreaming for years to fuck Laura

[ValenciaCF]

Well well well. It looks like the fat ape has found a new toy to play with before he decides to throw the next one in the garbage. Her name is Buntarka.

Not long ago he talked up Eden Ivy as the next number 1 superstar and his preferred girl and number 1 of the year.Very suddenly after Eden Ivy stop responding to his messages she has now been knocked of the winners podium and this new girl is the new superstar hahahaha. Sounds like sour grapes.

A superstar that he says he found lol
He didn't find nothing!!! He speak too much lies. As if he went out and scouted far and wide for this girl. Rumor was the girl wss referred there by Alisia Wonderland, the same girl who did 1 work with him and can't find job anymore since lolololol.

He was so paranoid he made the girl wear a wig so nobody would see or notice her and his members thought it was her real hair.

So the ape is already smitten and fallen in love with the new girl. Won't be long before she runs back home neber to be seen again.

[BlueShadow]

Well well well. It looks like the fat ape has found a new toy to play with before he decides to throw the next one in the garbage. Her name is Buntarka.

Not long ago he talked up Eden Ivy as the next number 1 superstar and his preferred girl and number 1 of the year.Very suddenly after Eden Ivy stop responding to his messages she has now been knocked of the winners podium and this new girl is the new superstar hahahaha. Sounds like sour grapes.

A superstar that he says he found lol
He didn't find nothing!!! He speak too much lies. As if he went out and scouted far and wide for this girl. Rumor was the girl wss referred there by Alisia Wonderland, the same girl who did 1 work with him and can't find job anymore since lolololol.

He was so paranoid he made the girl wear a wig so nobody would see or notice her and his members thought it was her real hair.

So the ape is already smitten and fallen in love with the new girl. Won't be long before she runs back home neber to be seen again.

For sure Eden Ivy will be very sad to have lost the first place of PW heart LOL


In fact the only one who pretends and always does it is him....

As you say first he says that it is thanks to Alisia Wonderland who sent her friend to be fucked by him for some money


...then it is thanks to his assistant Gabriella...



In short, he claims to be a talent scout and to launch girls...but at the end of the day, he is not worth anything without agencies and without contacts. Imagine how many girls he and his assistant could find: none. LOL

Then he makes her wear a wig, he proves to be more and more sick.
Imagine a girl wants to start doing porn, goes to a producer who makes her wear a wig as if she had to hide from the Russian mafia or something... Bwahahah and then says of the others "the circus''...

If I were a smart girl I would already think there is something weird going on. LOL
Imagine if PW was a producer in USA ahhahah Mocked and blacklisted by everyone.

[BlueShadow]

Here the fake avatar with one post he used to speak as a user (and pretend it is a non-partisan comment) to balance the real thought of a real user. XD XD
And then comments right back with his avatar. He plays and sings it himself XD

[BlueShadow]

yes, he is right.
But I wouldn't give so much weight to comments from users (with only one post) used to comment by PW himself.

[BlueShadow]

Rumor was the girl wss referred there by Alisia Wonderland, the same girl who did 1 work with him and can't find job anymore since lolololol.

What are you talking about? Alisia Wonderland started there, now she is the biggest pornstar of all time, impossible she didn't do anything else after that... LOL

[ValenciaCF]

I think you should really get to her level learn all the languages she can speak YES WE ALL SEE SOME FANS CANT BELIEVE THIS KIND OF GIRL JOINED THE BIZ. I haven’t seen any other girl speaking so many languages and being smoking hot and knowing how to play. I had to translate these screenshots and I can say you are wrong if you really think this meant that she quit. You probably too young or too stupid to understand this woman so next time save us your bullshit.

She entered the industry at 27 which is not the average age to start this biz. I think she is way too smart and you can only dream about girls like her.

Honestly there's nothing extra special about Jayla. She's a fitness model. Decent body and face. She's no superstar and speaking multiple languages doesn't make you smart. A college degree and a brain does. I can speak multiple languages myself so anyone can do it. I can't see how smart she is when there's a video that contradicts everything she said about that Woodman video. If anything it makes her look more stupid. There's plenty of a top girls in this industry. Jayla is fitness midel turned wanna be pornstar. Unfortunately when she talks sometimes its a boner killer. She's kinda masculine and has sone arrogance.

[ValenciaCF]

Rumor was the girl wss referred there by Alisia Wonderland, the same girl who did 1 work with him and can't find job anymore since lolololol.

What are you talking about? Alisia Wonderland started there, now she is the biggest pornstar of all time, impossible she didn't do anything else after that... LOL

I love how he changed his tune on [spam] after reading this comment because then he said it was his assistant Gabriella who found her lol

[BlueShadow]

[...]and has sone arrogance.

Arrogance? Where? No, it's called ''sarcasm''...

[sensitivia.skin]

She outsmarted you and blue shadow with her comments explaining this video and now you are mean to her. By the way is very funny how you still bring up this issue like children. I know PW is an asshole and we can see how he posts pictures with girls having dinner celebrating their birthday but we have never seen Jayla on one of these dinners. This is also a clue that she is not stupid and does not accepts invitations to spend her private time with him LOL. Great that you can speak all the languwges she does but I really doubt it. I was impressed the way she can speak for example italian like a real Italian girl.
And I’m sure she has more than one degree according to her job out of porn. I know not everyone likes her and it’s okay for example for me Veronica leal she is very average she is just cute not pretty and she is super famous. I think to be superstar is a matter of time. Producers seem to prefer booking already famous girls because more fans will recognise them.
I think we should focus on the positive sides of every model and not criticise every girl that at some point had to show to some idiots where is their place.

[Panorama]

She outsmarted you and blue shadow with her comments explaining this video and now you are mean to her. By the way is very funny how you still bring up this issue like children. I know PW is an asshole and we can see how he posts pictures with girls having dinner celebrating their birthday but we have never seen Jayla on one of these dinners. This is also a clue that she is not stupid and does not accepts invitations to spend her private time with him LOL. Great that you can speak all the languwges she does but I really doubt it. I was impressed the way she can speak for example italian like a real Italian girl.
And I’m sure she has more than one degree according to her job out of porn. I know not everyone likes her and it’s okay for example for me Veronica leal she is very average she is just cute not pretty and she is super famous. I think to be superstar is a matter of time. Producers seem to prefer booking already famous girls because more fans will recognise them.
I think we should focus on the positive sides of every model and not criticise every girl that at some point had to show to some idiots where is their place.

The girls aren't the problem here, and although I greatly respect both of you Blue and Valencia for the knowledge of the industry that a lot of us here don't have, I really believe that it is doing more harm to our argument commenting on the models who CHOOSE to work with Woodman. Believe it or not, there are women who will enjoy working with Pierre whether they know of his track record or not. It's not up to us to chastise them for doing that, they aren't - or shouldn't be the focus of our attention. We should be concentrating on alerting the new models and members who are not aware of this deceitful and dishonest man, not discrediting ones who've made the choice to work with him.
The people who have complained that the girls are being attacked unfairly are people who have stressed the fact that they despise Woodman just as much as the rest of us, so shouldn't be seen as the enemy and someone to attack and should be listened to and their thoughts taken into consideration perhaps??

That's my take on it.

Meanwhile in other news......................

Someone needs to tell Fernando and Pieter that they can have as many "votes" and "tokens" as they like, they're not going to see what can't be shown or doesn't exist.

......... And BalouFan , he won't go to America because (A) The girls and agencies are far more clued up than they are in Eastern Europe and wouldn't put up with his antics (Why do you think everyone has to go to HIM in Hungary??) (B) Nobody wants him there anyway. (C) He'd probably get arrested.

[Panorama]

In actual fact I think you'll find you are wrong there Pierre.

If you look at many of my posts, (the one above for example) you'll see that I disagree with members on this form, but my posts aren't censored. This is the only forum on the internet where I'm able to do that ...... I certainly couldn't do that on your forum. I don't know how "the circus" works not being an "employee" but you could learn one or two things about being open and allowing your members to voice their displeasures without booting them off the forum?

Asking them not to look at this site is like telling a child not to put his hand in the cookie jar while your backs turned, isn't it? Of course, they're going to look. And that is good because they'll get to see what you won't show or admit to. Every dishonest lie that you tell your members will eventually end up being displayed here for the world to see with the actual story being told instead.

..... And yes I am frustrated, but I'm not full of hate, I just really dislike you.

[ValenciaCF]

[...]and has sone arrogance.

Arrogance? Where? No, it's called ''sarcasm''...

Arrogance is an understatement. She has a "fuck you" attitude and think she's doing everyone a favour. Imagine calling men "pathetic" because they jerk off to her. "Smart" is not even in her vocabulary. And she finds LP so bad that she even came back 2 more times lololol

[claudiodasilva]

[...]and has sone arrogance.

Arrogance? Where? No, it's called ''sarcasm''...

Arrogance is an understatement. She has a "fuck you" attitude and think she's doing everyone a favour. Imagine calling men "pathetic" because they jerk off to her. "Smart" is not even in her vocabulary. And she finds LP so bad that she even came back 2 more times lololol

she came back to LP? but lets start from the point that she never said she quit LP she just replied annoyed because everyone was asking her the same thing. Valencia I can clearly see you dont like her so why you just stop talking about her so much? we all see she is beautiful, has great life and doesn't rely on porn only so maybe you should stop being jealous of her good existence and start building your own good life. I dont really know how admins approve these hate posts discrediting a model

[sensitivia.skin]

Of course Valencia hates her so much and whatever Jayla de Angelis does valencia will find a reason to talk bad about her if she did really crazy hardcore scene he would obviously say some shit again I don’t know why you just don’t change the topic there are millions of girls Pierre Woodman meets with but valencia has to keep on talking about a girl who is less friend with Pierre Woodman he wish he could spend his time with her “lololol” I suggest to stop hating so much the models who just say what they want and will not shut their mouth - I like it it says that a girl is strong

[Panorama]

Thanks for the mention Pierre...... Or should I say Martin??

[BlueShadow]

And here they show the level of stupidity there.

One question: what do YOU really gain if an '''''adult model''''' works only for one production and makes anal only for one production?

That comment is so stupid that I can hardly believe it was made by a person with a thinking brain.
And this is the image he gives of the girls. The pimp and the sluts that he ''own''. And that's reflected in these misogynistic comments. Nothing more nothing less.

[ValenciaCF]

Of course Valencia hates her so much and whatever Jayla de Angelis does valencia will find a reason to talk bad about her if she did really crazy hardcore scene he would obviously say some shit again I don’t know why you just don’t change the topic there are millions of girls Pierre Woodman meets with but valencia has to keep on talking about a girl who is less friend with Pierre Woodman he wish he could spend his time with her “lololol” I suggest to stop hating so much the models who just say what they want and will not shut their mouth - I like it it says that a girl is strong

Not worth reasoning with some of you beta males. Like she said. Keep wanking to her 3 videos over and over again. I don't hate her. I just don't like fake people. She still hasn't cleared up the air. So its either she was lying or he's protecting Woodman. It can't be both. And any girl protecting that creep is just as bad as him far as I'm concerned.

[ValenciaCF]

I suggest to stop hating so much the models who just say what they want and will not shut their mouth - I like it it says that a girl is strong

So you like masculine girls in your life who will wear the balls in your relationship and when they tell you to sit down and shut your mouth then you will do it.. Thanks for confirming!!! Real men are not attracted to this type of women. Jayla is not the only girl in this industry. Don't be a wimp. Find another girl to wank to. It's not the end of the world

[ValenciaCF]

So maybe I overstepped and shouldn't have said some things. It's not my intention to hurt and discredit anyone. It sould be stooping to Woodman levels. But...I'm a person who value honesty, truth and transparency, and when people try and distort reality, manipulate, deceive others and protect weirdos...I simply cannot stand that.

So I have nothing against Jayla and wish her well. But it's quite clear that PW started the shitstorm by sayimg he pissed in her mouth. She denied but the video intimated a different story so someone is lying....sorry!!! But if she really want my respect she can tell the truth that Woodman manipulated the video and we can all go home!!! But she still hasn't done it. So....in my eyes she will remain untruthful and I do not buy the lies that Woodman thought it was another girl. Lying to protect the reputation of a creep like PW doesn't sit well with me.

[BlueShadow]

LOL they are fake lens, how can they be so blind?
(same color that Venera Maxima uses for instance...)

[BlueShadow]

But if she really want my respect she can tell the truth that Woodman manipulated the video and we can all go home!!! But she still hasn't done it. So....in my eyes she will remain untruthful and I do not buy the lies that Woodman thought it was another girl. Lying to protect the reputation of a creep like PW doesn't sit well with me.

No, she said that it's me who edited the video a video thats it's online on his website, who wants to check that it is not fake or edited can do it in a few seconds, (I also said in what minute there is that dialogue, 1h 18m)
and a conversation that she knows very well happened and that PW has put in the ''scene'' without cutting it (and PW said TWICE ''piss'' 'cause the first time she hadn't heard ), but she doesn't blame him, but those who have pointed out certain things...
If she really has all these problems with ''piss'' and doesn't want to be accosted to it her right,but in that occasion, just tell PW: 'Piss? What are you talking about?' And voila...but no...


And the fact that it's not in the video means little, a model has to agree to show it.
Like here, he claims to have did pissing with Kaira Lord (KL already did in another production years ago btw), but there is no video on PW site.


So either it's true that she went to a porn shoot and ended up doing something for which there was no prior agreement, unprofessional behavior of a producer, or PW lied, or both lied.
And these are just questions I ask myself, not accusations. The problem is that in these cases when one of the two lies the answers raise even more doubts than giving answers XD
But who cares, in the end is always so when a model works there. (Agencies (BB) should care more about what the models agree to do (and not just to remove the anal availability to new models for others producers despite they have already done DP in their first scene XD) Between gossip, stories and girls exposed by him because he talks too much to give breath to his ego.
It is not the fault of others if he says certain things and then retracts...

[ValenciaCF]

LOL they are fake lens, how can they be so blind?
(same color that Venera Maxima uses for instance...)

Lol exactly! It doesnt even look like the same girl. Not even her real eyes. Nothing but hype, fake descriptions and photoshops just like Silvia Sin . He even put a wig on this girl. False advertising. Sorry but that is a new level of low . This man is hilarious.

[Chubakka]

She's just another Escort girl doing the Woodman training to enjoy his clients
Those Alicia Wonderlands disappear from Porn world being abused, drinking pee, eating shit,and being assfucked by some rich sponsors of wcx website.
Theese toughts were already revealed by his ex assistant he tried with all his weapons make quit....
Budhist monk friends of arab princes, and Mány more supporting his website is just window of his shady business.
The testman with a normal sized penis, small for Porn,but not too big for those rich friends of his.
Btw. this is why his obsession of not allowing girls go for Rocco, and of course LP, where theese special girls could meet and enjoy some big sizes.He need them be tight, clean, and ready for all kind of abuse they can meet with his clients.

[J2369___]

She's just another Escort girl doing the Woodman training to enjoy his clients
Those Alicia Wonderlands disappear from Porn world being abused, drinking pee, eating shit,and being assfucked by some rich sponsors of wcx website.
Theese toughts were already revealed by his ex assistant he tried with all his weapons make quit....
Budhist monk friends of arab princes, and Mány more supporting his website is just window of his shady business.
The testman with a normal sized penis, small for Porn,but not too big for those rich friends of his.
Btw. this is why his obsession of not allowing girls go for Rocco, and of course LP, where theese special girls could meet and enjoy some big sizes.He need them be tight, clean, and ready for all kind of abuse they can meet with his clients.

I’ll add that all girls should be able to do whatever they want to do, PW doesn’t own them, he can’t force girls to not go and work for other studios, girls have their own right and they can work for whoever they want to, why do girls want to work or have anything to do with PW, besides only his money. He’s too old now, especially all of his grandpa friends lol, time for him to pack up or get him shut down for good hopefully, which would be fantastic if that did happen. How many girls have quit because of him, with his lies ect. I’m just absolutely sick of him like we all are, seeing how he uses, manipulates girls, takes advantage of them and covers it all up and possibly blackmails them, makes me want to give him a taste of his medicine, he’s the biggest scumbag.