Pierre Woodman: "I am a bastard and break the will of girls"

[Panorama]

I love and respect girls fully, I just don’t want them to work or be involved with PW at all, I’ve absolutely had enough of him using and trying to take advantage of girls, it needs to stop asap.

Couldn't agree more J22369. Pierre Woodman has taken some of the worlds most beautiful women and reduced them down into nothing more than prostitutes. He uses his credentials (if you can call them that) as a "movie director" to fool them into believing that they are merely auditioning for a part. In actual fact, they are being manipulated and used as hookers for his personal enjoyment nothing else. That's why so many of them have refused to let him show their "initiations" as he not only took their anal virginity but he stole a part of their souls, their own self-worth and their dignity in the process. Even his own right hand, his "sister" Gabriella will not allow him to publish what he did with her. Both Pierre and Gabrielle will tell you that it's because it was a personal moment for her, it wasn't. Pierre would show that video in a heartbeat if he could, he just can't.
The thought that goddesses such as Aneta Keys, Suzie Carina, and even Silvie Delux have been sullied by this man makes my flesh crawl. There must be countless other women who have completely turned away from the adult industry thanks to the antics of this man, and we'll never get to see their beauty solely because of him.

That's why we need to scrutinize everything he does, we need to torment him day and night, and we need to contact and spread the word about his deceit and lies to as many people as possible. But we have to win people over with honesty and a willingness to accept that we aren't going to convince everyone. But those who have an open mind and have genuine respect and feelings towards other people (particularly the models) will come around to our way of thinking and help us to finally rid the internet of this dinosaur from the 1990s with his sexist, homophobic and racist comments.

I have a feeling that now even some of his closest admirers are starting to doubt their loyalty towards him, if we can prove to them who he really is, I genuinely believe we can win.

[J2369___]

I love and respect girls fully, I just don’t want them to work or be involved with PW at all, I’ve absolutely had enough of him using and trying to take advantage of girls, it needs to stop asap.

Couldn't agree more J22369. Pierre Woodman has taken some of the worlds most beautiful women and reduced them down into nothing more than prostitutes. He uses his credentials (if you can call them that) as a "movie director" to fool them into believing that they are merely auditioning for a part. In actual fact, they are being manipulated and used as hookers for his personal enjoyment nothing else. That's why so many of them have refused to let him show their "initiations" as he not only took their anal virginity but he stole a part of their souls, their own self-worth and their dignity in the process. Even his own right hand, his "sister" Gabriella will not allow him to publish what he did with her. Both Pierre and Gabrielle will tell you that it's because it was a personal moment for her, it wasn't. Pierre would show that video in a heartbeat if he could, he just can't.
The thought that goddesses such as Aneta Keys, Suzie Carina, and even Silvie Delux have been sullied by this man makes my flesh crawl. There must be countless other women who have completely turned away from the adult industry thanks to the antics of this man, and we'll never get to see their beauty solely because of him.

That's why we need to scrutinize everything he does, we need to torment him day and night, and we need to contact and spread the word about his deceit and lies to as many people as possible. But we have to win people over with honesty and a willingness to accept that we aren't going to convince everyone. But those who have an open mind and have genuine respect and feelings towards other people (particularly the models) will come around to our way of thinking and help us to finally rid the internet of this dinosaur from the 1990s with his sexist, homophobic and racist comments.

I have a feeling that now even some of his closest admirers are starting to doubt their loyalty towards him, if we can prove to them who he really is, I genuinely believe we can win.

Exactly what I would think of him, he uses and manipulates and takes advantage of girls, it would be fantastic if everyone, even his admirers saw him for what he is.

[Panorama]

So this adult performer has had a very upsetting and violent past. The last thing that this young woman needs to be doing is hardcore porn. You can argue that she has her own life to lead and she can choose to do what she wants to, which is perfectly correct. I'm not a psychologist but even I know that this woman shouldn't be in the porn industry, and if I were a porn director I wouldn't want any part in potentially contributing to her demise, which let's face it is far more likely (statistically) because of her past, and her references to suicide.

So, of course, Pierre being always so conscientious and caring towards women only wants to know one thing. "Why no one give her my phone number?"

[robin_reid]

I knew Rae, I worked with her 2 years ago behind camera producing/directing some scenes, she’s very nice and cool girl but all what I can say in my opinion is that this psychopath is the last person in the world with who a sensitive girl like Rae should work with.

Most likely that PW finally will shoot her, this biz is small and he will get (probably already got) her contact thru someone else or thru some greedy agency that, as usual, she will be sent with lies (it’s just a paid interview…) to the cheap hotel room shooting/escorting meeting with this monster.

[IndyPleco]

Laughing about a girl's trauma after getting on your high horse with Julie Skyhigh's suicide. Classy, Woody, very classy...

[Panorama]

Have you ever heard of the saying "no smoke without fire" Pierre?
True. I have never heard a model come out and say point blank that she has had anything bad happen to her with you. (aside from Serenity Haze who even I doub't)
Yes. There have been threats, and other VERY inappropriate comments made here too, which I totally and completely despise because although my thoughts of you are right down there at the bottom of the swamp, I could never wish harm on another human being...... not even you.
However.
I've been a member of your website, and I've seen and read many things that you yourself have had admitted to. I've also spoken with many models who would not speak to me about you. That's very strange as they have nothing but glowing reports about other producers and photographers. It proves nothing, but it speaks volumes.
I know for a fact, speaking with these various models, watching their "initiations" and reading your comments about them that you tell very bad and quite obvious lies. Your members can see that if they take the time and effort to see it.
"They think they will be able to block girls coming to me with that propaganda and make my members running away from my site, it's hilarious!!!"
I've already stopped one model from visiting you Pierre, and I'm going to stop others by simply telling them the truth, no exaggerations, no lies. I'm not one of your long time enemies, I'm an average guy who's sick of seeing someone like you take advantage of young models and get away with it. So, I really don't care if you win your court case with "the circus" because when they're gone I (and hopefully others) will still be here.

[ValenciaCF]

It's so funny when he says they"pretend he is a bad person" because nobody is pretending and actual facts have been shown that he is in fact a bad person. The proof is on this thread for all to see and he is the one who lies 24/7 . How 1 man can say the truth when countless girls are saying the opposite is mind boggling.

He get angry when people tell he use apple juice for his piss scenes and tell that people try discredit his work but then he goes and says that a website he "respects" use fake blood to show defloration just to make his casting seem authentic. It's laughable how hypocritical this man is when he does the same thing to others who he accuses of doing to him.

Funny how he says he will never work with a girl like Amaris because she did her first anal elsewhere. He is so mad about this and you can see it the way he replies he is pissed off she did it elsewhere. Initially she was not comfortable doing anal, so when she finally became ready to try she did it with another website, so what is there for this man to be angry about??? Because he wasn't the first??? Who the fuck cares. It's his problem if he has anger issues. Stop getting angry at the girls. It's business. So he said she won't shoot her but will only do it if he get more members and more money lol he is so funny this guy. Remember when he said he do it for the fun and not the money. Contrasting comments here....more so when he take girls who took multiple dicks in their ass at LP before coming to him but a girl like Amaris who did only anal elsewhere he won't work with. What a clown!!!

Ironic when he say that LP is a circus when him and his forum are the fucking Zoo of all Zoos!!!

[BlueShadow]

This guy is so tedious with his delusional self-centered shit...
first of all... again with the story of the ''fans''... those are views not fans... (and they are 176000 not 200000, but ok)
And again that he continues to pass off a probability (for the simple fact that he has agreements with an agency that always sends their new girls there for a ''paid interview'') as his merit. Thank God Julmodels no more... and I don't see the girls losing any sleep over not working there or having any trouble becoming popular without that interview from the great and mighty Woodman. XD
(and BTW how many are the girls that have passed through there and have become nobodies and have just made a few or one scene??
He just says bullshit and keeps saying it. Period).

I don't see any production posing as a talent scout or boasting about the girls who started there becoming popular, seriously he thinks he's a talent scout XD, when what he does (other than waiting in his hotel room with his pockets full of money for the agency to send the new girl on duty) for the models is irrelevant to them, less so for him who earns money with their ''first'' (every day less and less) with his money and lies.
This post must have been like a slap in the face for his ego XD
https://forum.pornbox.com/viewtopic.php?f=184&t=13567&start=1920#p548629 (I have to add Lena Lelani regarding the girls no more exclusive)


With all the platforms out there he still believes that something changes where a girl start and that he can make an impact, he's stuck in the 90's, almost touching.



Certainly the fact that Jia Lissa appeared THERE ( ) with an interview has made a big impact on her career, a career changer for her. Sure. This is the one and only reason why a model becomes famous and successful, to have started there
It's irrelevant where she started. Only him brag about, in fact, about nothing.

Models can start anywhere. I give a news, a model can have success even without starting in his production. XD

Agency send you there only for the money.
Girls, is not necessary to get fucked in the ass in a hotel room and get his dirty piss in the mouth for build your name, trust me. LOL


This is him talking, in the last months he worked with dozens of already popular girls who started on LP/AV, fact XD

Thanks for this other delusional egomaniac post on that propaganda forum.



PS
Referring to a girl: "I will never let her be..." ? What a way to talk. Lower your cockerel crest...

[BlueShadow]

What? Doesn't the agency have new girls to send him?
So then if in the future for pure probability they becomes famous he can boast that they started there...

[Panorama]

Er no, that wasn't a phone call you received Pierre, it was my post that you saw here at "the circus". (What have I said about telling fibs??) . . . . And that goes for your "discussion" with Gina Gerson, we both know that never happened.
Anyway, I digress.
It's more likely that you saw my post yesterday evening and thought that you'd better back-track your tasteless comment as it would be bad for business and make you look like a cold-hearted S.O.B. Now I know you're probably thinking that I'm going to gloat on the fact that you really didn't look good saying what you did but I'm not, because I think (for whatever reason genuine or damage limitation) you did the right thing. Leaving this young woman alone should give you the satisfaction of actually helping someone for a change instead of contributing to their problems, whilst at the same time not giving the likes of me ammunition to use against you. I don't mind that one bit. In fact, if you do leave her alone and she never appears on your site (I will be watching) I will even go as far as to tip my hat at you. That certainly doesn't mean we're friends it means I can give you credit where credit is due.

Your apology has however caused a bit of a divide within the Woodman faithful it would appear. "Caleb" seems like someone who can empathise with mental health and I salute him for standing up to "Jean" who unfortunately appears to have the sensitivity of a fridge magnet. I was having an interesting discussion with one of your members on another forum yesterday and tried to explain to him why I thought he should rescind his membership to your site. He felt that because he wasn't related to any of the models he didn't have any feelings towards them and had no intention of cancelling his membership. He was a very understanding and articulate guy. Although I do not agree with his views, I respect his decision. I actually learned a lot from him. I'm never going to get through to the "Jeans" of your membership, their psychological complexities are quite obviously steadfast and unreachable. But I'm sure the vast majority of your membership are people like "Caleb" and are very much reachable. I'm more of a danger to you than those you've been fighting for years Pierre because I don't have the bitterness and resentment that they possess. But from your retraction last night I guess you already know that.

[BlueShadow]

and she knows it well...

[Panorama]

Your post interested me enough to go look at the Elsa Jean (Dream) thread on his site Blue as I didn't know anything about her. But from what I read and what I saw (on a pirate site FOR FREE) it looks like Pierre ended up being a victim of his own boasts! His members are so used to him cloaking all his conquests (and failures) in mystery, lies, and half-truths, that they came to the wrong conclusion and Pierre's ego couldn't put the brakes on fast enough before the rumour bus rolled away! The result was Elsa got the wrong end of the story. The moral of the story is that if Pierre had been honest and upfront with his members from the beginning of his site this misunderstanding wouldn't have happened, and quite possibly Elsa would have given him what he so desperately wanted.

It's actually a very fitting outcome that Elsa now has nothing to do with him because I think in that cold self-centred mind of his, she actually made an impact on him more than any other young woman that he's taken advantage of so far.

"Oh what a tangled web we weave, When first we practice to deceive"

[BlueShadow]

____

Yes, they certainly weren't pressurized. Or pushed in any way.
As in this case after over 2 HOURS of 'discussion', no pressure at all on a newbie who wasn't felt ready and supposedly had already said NO once.
But let the things speak for themself from what he wrote, as always:

[Chubakka]

____

Yes, they certainly weren't pressurized. Or pushed in any way.
As in this case after over 2 HOURS of 'discussion', no pressure at all on a newbie who wasn't felt ready and supposedly had already said NO once.
But let the things speak for themself from what he wrote, as always:

Ah yes the " hidden side of Your work" it's when they say you "No,and noo,and I don't want", and I believe from 2 hours it's about 1 and half, You must cut

[Panorama]

Guy's you forgot to mention the special treatment he gives to the girls he really likes the looks of. You know, how he puts their casting back until later on so that when they say "no" he can discuss with them long enough so that they miss their planes and trains home. Then he can be the "night in shining amour" to buy them dinner and put them up for the night in his hotel. Of course, that then gives him all night to break them down, and failing that he can then use the old "I was nice to you" guilt trip the following morning.
A professional director/producer would accept their first "NO" and send them on their way.

[ValenciaCF]

So now he make the story that he was the first man to fuck Irina Cage ass because I'm sure her boyfriend who is the only man she films with has never fucked her ass in private life

Now watch as he talks even more lies when he first introduce Irina he says that she only shoot with her bf and has "difficult" time to make it with another man... Then suddenly by the end he tells that she and her bf are swingers lol very funny how a girl who is swinger have hard time having sex with other man. Doesn't make any sense. When one of his members askes him if he fucked the girl or it was her bf he posted picture to show and tell it was him... "unfortunately". Then suddenly it became labeled as a threesome scene not very long ago. So he was never the first to fuck her ass. Just his editing skill he will make it like that.

[BlueShadow]

Well who really cares? His members have their story (probably that ''scene'' will not be released before two years, so there is no hurry to buy that membership, don't worry XD), he has his story, all good. (I hope at least the model knows that the one who will take the most shit of it is her)
Another brillbabes girl who gets herself involved in his stories and games, as long as the money she gets are good and she can buy Louis Vuitton or the new I-phone all is good... but we'll see in the future.

I hope this one she has a functioning brain and dignity and after she's done satisfying his egomaniacal cravings she'll detach herself and think about herself for real.




Sometimes I feel sad for this girl...

[Panorama]

................. Or here's another option Spielberg, Pierre's just lying?

[BlueShadow]

................. Or here's another option Spielberg, Pierre's just lying?

Maybe? It's clear that she works with others guys too.



The story that she want to work only with BF it's all part of the fairytale he has to sell (and he will pretend that the casting video was the same day, payed interview + payed scene). They still not get it? LOL



PS
But don't worry, she will not do more work with others too soon, the story has to be believable.

[Panorama]

Well, I don't know if Blueshadow has anything to do with WGCZ legal porno or whatever but there is one way you could end all this bickering backwards and forwards and come out looking really good, Pierre.
You could allow one independent person, someone who you both (Pierre Woodman & WGCZ) know isn't part of either your team or the WGCZ team to scrutinize your library and records. Someone who respects both your organizations. By that I mean they would be allowed on your forum to ask your members which castings they want him or her to look into. Nobody knows your castings history better than them, they probably know it better than you! No one else other than that one person gets to see the evidence, so your video library remains discreet and secure.

They would also be able to review your unseen camera recordings at your home or wherever you keep them to verify that you've never used unethical practices to trick models into doing things they didn't want to do. For example, you could also show them the "Liz Rainbow" evidence that we've all been using against you, which would allow an independent body to confirm your claims whilst not having to show the actual film.
Basically, one person trusted by both sides helps to clear your name.
I think that is a very simple and definitive way to stop all this and make WGCZ look like the bad guys. I would be 100% willing to apologize to you in person if you liked if you'd be willing to do that and be proved honourable.

You can say that you don't have to prove yourself to anybody and your fans don't need proof. Well, that's partially true as your hardcore supporters will still be supporters even if you refuse, but look at the profitability of finally proving once and for all that you are "a good man". Plus all the extra publicity you would get from average guys like me that have a conscience and have always worried about how you treat the models?
Refusing to do something like this would make the accusations made by me and WGCZ valid as you clearly have nothing to lose and absolutely everything to win by accepting the challenge. You don't give away ANY of your secrets, you prove to your members that the video's that we've said they are never going to see actually DO exist and will be seen at some point. (with the model's release signature) And you finally prove that you have done nothing ethically wrong with any of the models. WIN. WIN. WIN!!

If anyone on Pierre's site reads this (someone will) post it in the IRINA CAGE thread. You won't get booted for it as it's not an impossible task. it's perfectly possible. It's giving Pierre an opportunity to finally silence his critics, it's up to him if he wants to accept it.

[BlueShadow]

What the fuck is he talking about now, he always puts me in the middle...then he talks about obsession.

How can he say these things, what evidence?

Maybe he missed a few posts where others in here talk about contacting girls and talking them out of working with him...but of course he only talks about me.... LOL he loves me.
Or maybe I'm really the enemy like I say in the signature. XD XD


And again the story that I work for LP, keep telling yourself that so it becomes true.
I'm sorry to say they can ban me anytime they want, I'll live anyway...since I don't live thanks to them, thank God I don't need to kiss some porn producer's ass like some model.



Ah, I see there "Irina Cage" is talking about defamation. Maybe she should read better his forum where he defames with illations Rocco Siffredi, Pornodan, Juliana Grandi, Legal Porno and models that don't want to work for him or that have worked for him but then they talk bad about him.
(here he shows things to make Rocco look bad (obviously after he learned from Jayla that he had already done DP there and liked working with him) first they talk about Rocco and then he has the NEED to show her who know what about him... LOL
If Jayla De Angelis has the balls she can confirm, but it's all in his video online anyway for everyone to see (with part of the discussion censored, who knows why...)



He's always accusing others of things he does TOO. Just ridiculous.



OBVIOUSLY he shows this forum to the models, as he bash Rocco Siffredi and other people he is envious of or has the balls to go against.
I don't see any normal producer doing these things, what need does he have to show a competitor's forum to models? LOL And accuse others of being psycho.


Probably this Irina Cage (just one of many...)She has heard his side of the story...but not the whole story.

Do I have to show (actually repost) all the defamations post he does on HIS forum? Nah, not.




PS
If other people are blind to these things it's not my fault. And it's not my fault if he shows these things himself and if he is the one saying these things on a public forum. First he plays the sadistic bastard and then he wants to be the nice one, choose the kind of character you want to be and that's it, otherwise of course we will always find inconsistencies in what he says and does XD
It's not our problem if we point them out.


Like for example how others ask themselves certain questions like that guy whose private chat he posted LOL
Irina Cage AFTER the first casting interview says it's normal that she prefers to do her first anal with her BF and she still hadn't done anal.... then after two months PW wants to make believe that she actually had already done it in September.
So either the girl is a liar or actually that scene happened only after they agreed on the price (which probably wasn't low) and he'll sell it as having happened all in the same day. (But here I understand that he has to sell these stories that his members like so much). Or seriously the girl was sent there by the agency just for an interview but then magically found herself doing anal with an old man in a hotel room. XD (and here we could talk if it's a professional behavior of a producer + agency, in USA for sure not...)
And these are just questions I ask myself, not accusations.

Nice Sunday to everyone.

[BlueShadow]

Here we ago, the lovely already back home. What? The agency didn't find her others job apart that (or she was blocked)?
We are sure she want to work as an adult model? LOL

[viewer2]

So BlueShadow what turns out here is that you again wrote to a model asking what she did with Woodman, had she done piss in mouth, is she sure she's telling the truth, etc etc...
Apparently the Jayla drama was not enough for you and you are continuing with other girl.

I have a question, do you think this is the most efficient way to make your point and to warn models against Woodman? Do you really think it gives a good image?
Why are you again targeting a model and not Woodman?

[BlueShadow]

So BlueShadow what turns out here is that you again wrote to a model asking what she did with Woodman, had she done piss in mouth, is she sure she's telling the truth, etc etc...
Apparently the Jayla drama was not enough for you and you are continuing with other girl.

I have a question, do you think this is the most efficient way to make your point and to warn models against Woodman? Do you really think it gives a good image?
Why are you again targeting a model and not Woodman?

And who tell you that? Woodman? Ha! Please.
Why not @Panorama, he also bragged about this (this is not to make accusations, but to make it clear that you point fingers at random XD) It can be anyone. XD
Think about what he says to models about competitors.
He is the one who does this, what he says, as if he were a paladin, has no value.

What turns out here it's that he continues to manipulate things to his convenience.
Just focus on the fact that he keep lying to his members. And accusing others of thing that he do too.
Distracting from this is exactly what he wants.

[BlueShadow]

So BlueShadow what turns out here is that you again wrote to a model asking what she did with Woodman, had she done piss in mouth, is she sure she's telling the truth, etc etc...
Apparently the Jayla drama was not enough for you and you are continuing with other girl.

and let's say that was the case...what's the point?
Asking is a crime these days...especially if you have something to hide...
(Same with Jayla...sorry if I hear Jayla De Angelis say she doesn't want to do piss and never has and then I see in a video (online that everyone can see and listen to) where she talks with Woodman about piss. (conversation more than clear, if you are not dumb) And sorry if I then have ask myself questions and have doubts. Seriously, I'm sorry, maybe I should just play dumb and be the one who doesn't see, hear or speak, like the little monkeys...)

Doubt and you will know. And now we know that one of them lied.
Either PW saying she did anal in the first casting in Sept. (And will sell it as such)
Or this Irina Cage saying after the September casting that she preferred to do it first with her BF.
And I tend to believe the girl more than PW.
And if it is true what PW invents, then in a normal world I would ask some questions about the agency that sends girls who, as they say, don't want to do anal, for an ''interview'' by a producer who does anal.
But hey, they're the good guys, I'm just the bad guy. It's ok.

[BlueShadow]

What I said. Seriously they didn't find other jobs for her in Budapest, no producers booked her? So pity.... Maybe they couldn't?


Yes, in France for iStripper...for sure with that production she will do a lot of hardcore and even anal scenes. XD Just wait guys.

[BlueShadow]

Look, it is perfectly normal for members of the same forum to discuss and may have differences and different ideas. What is the point?
Maybe you are used to that propaganda forum where everyone has to have a single thought and kiss PW's ass. Otherwise he gets banned.
I wonder where are the gros crétins...

[viewer2]

You said it yourself here a few posts above. That Irina Cage accused you of defamation. Which means you acknowledge you were the author of the messages to her.

You say you have right to ask questions to models. Ok (although, when they tell you to stop, you should do so, otherwise it's harrassment and it's punishable).

Well I do the same with you, I just asked you a precise question, and you did not answer. Eh...

So the question again: do you think this gives a good image, and do you think it's an efficient way to make your point?

A precision. I fully agree we should all be together when it comes to a fact-based criticism of Woodman. For this, models who worked with him can be allies. Non stop criticising or lowering the model (see again your very last post) is not the right way to do. Criticise Woodman as much as you want (fact-based) but DON'T TARGET THE MODELS FFS!!
And it's not only for you. Same goes for ValenciaCF calling Jayla "stupid skank" on her thread just because of this piss story which was artificially and in a sick way created by you first on [spam] then here... It's just unacceptable!

Last thing. Girls always finish to come to AV. Sooner or later. It took few months for Jayla. few years for Mia Trejsi (whom you criticised and lowered and called prostitute back then). Have you seen Irina Cage's ass? She has an amazing body. I'd rather see her work here sooner than later so it'd be better not to scare her!!!!

[BlueShadow]

You said it yourself here a few posts above. That Irina Cage accused you of defamation. Which means you acknowledge you were the author of the messages to her.

You say you have right to ask questions to models. Ok (although, when they tell you to stop, you should do so, otherwise it's harrassment and it's punishable).

Well I do the same with you, I just asked you a precise question, and you did not answer. Eh...

So the question again: do you think this gives a good image, and do you think it's an efficient way to make your point?

A precision. I fully agree we should all be together when it comes to a fact-based criticism of Woodman. For this, models who worked with him can be allies. Non stop criticising or lowering the model (see again your very last post) is not the right way to do. Criticise Woodman as much as you want (fact-based) but DON'T TARGET THE MODELS FFS!!
And it's not only for you. Same goes for ValenciaCF calling Jayla "stupid skank" on her thread just because of this piss story which was artificially and in a sick way created by you first on [spam] then here... It's just unacceptable!

Last thing. Girls always finish to come to AV. Sooner or later. It took few months for Jayla. few years for Mia Trejsi (whom you criticised and lowered and called prostitute back then). Have you seen Irina Cage's ass? She has an amazing body. I'd rather see her work here sooner than later so it'd be better not to scare her!!!!

Where I said she accusing me? I have just read in that chat that she talk about defamation.


PS
-But what exactly is artificially created by me? Did you listen to that conversation between PW and Jayla or not? What does it have to do with me. She says never did p, I see that conversation, I had legitimate doubts that either one of them was lying or PW or Jayla. Obviously this is my way of exposing PW's fairytales and egomaniac way of doing things. Obviously I believe Jayla more than him. His excuse was "I mixed up the models". LOL
The problem is that unfortunately some models play along with him and get involved. It's not my fault.

[BlueShadow]

Exclusive model and ONLY anal sex? Mmh...
He must be crazy to keep doing fake advertisement

sorry (really) guys if I have to tell you that after 9 years and all this waiting you were fooled anyway by your idol.

Your exclusive model with her ONLY anal online.

https://www.analvids.com/watch/27996/3_on_1_anal_pounding_for_alyssa_daniels_sz411




But I'm the one who tells the lies, the bad guy.
Maybe I edited and photoshopped everything to manipulate reality, who knows...

[sensitivia.skin]

You said it yourself here a few posts above. That Irina Cage accused you of defamation. Which means you acknowledge you were the author of the messages to her.

You say you have right to ask questions to models. Ok (although, when they tell you to stop, you should do so, otherwise it's harrassment and it's punishable).

Well I do the same with you, I just asked you a precise question, and you did not answer. Eh...

So the question again: do you think this gives a good image, and do you think it's an efficient way to make your point?

A precision. I fully agree we should all be together when it comes to a fact-based criticism of Woodman. For this, models who worked with him can be allies. Non stop criticising or lowering the model (see again your very last post) is not the right way to do. Criticise Woodman as much as you want (fact-based) but DON'T TARGET THE MODELS FFS!!
And it's not only for you. Same goes for ValenciaCF calling Jayla "stupid skank" on her thread just because of this piss story which was artificially and in a sick way created by you first on [spam] then here... It's just unacceptable!

Last thing. Girls always finish to come to AV. Sooner or later. It took few months for Jayla. few years for Mia Trejsi (whom you criticised and lowered and called prostitute back then). Have you seen Irina Cage's ass? She has an amazing body. I'd rather see her work here sooner than later so it'd be better not to scare her!!!!

Where I said she accusing me? I have just read in that chat that she talk about defamation.


PS
-But what exactly is artificially created by me? Did you listen to that conversation between PW and Jayla or not? What does it have to do with me. She says never did p, I see that conversation, I had legitimate doubts that either one of them was lying or PW or Jayla. Obviously this is my way of exposing PW's fairytales and egomaniac way of doing things. Obviously I believe Jayla more than him. His excuse was "I mixed up the models". LOL
The problem is that unfortunately some models play along with him and get involved. It's not my fault.

What is your problem is your brain so damaged that you can't understand when she replied even personally to you that she didn't receive any piss from this asshole woodman? I had listened very carefully to this part of this scene and if you are a good listener enough you can hear she was really surprised looking by her face that he asked about PISS! AND THEN SHE DIDNT SAY YES OR NOT SHE WAS JUST BLOWING HIM AND THEN SHE KIND OF JOKED that maybe she would do it one day if she has a chance - even in the casting she was talking sarcastically to him its more than CLEAR THAT PW DIDNT DO ANY PISS WITH HER OR DID HE? SO WHY IS NOT ONLINE? BECAUSE NOTHING LIKE THAT HAPPENED and calling her skank on her thread is so disrespectful and offensive toward her I dont know why you are so mean to her if before that you were speaking good about her. YOU REALIZED YOU WILL NEVER GET SO BEAUTIFUL AND CLEVER WOMAN LIKE HER so you have to talk shit about her to feel better with herself. See how many fans are with her and everyone can see you and valencia are the only ones against her and talking about something that never happened. Even WOODMAN EXPLAINED IT SO WE CAN SEE NOW EVERYTHING CLEAR AND IN THIS CASE NO ONE LIED. I UNDERSTAND that you are searching for material to criticize woodman and you can do it but sorry if the model and even woodman told it was HIS MISTAKE then you should just say OK SORRY THANK YOU FOR EXPLAINING but no! We can see you just want to believe that he pissed in her mouth because it makes you feel more comfortable but deep inside you know it is not true. GO and see even her casting with him when she points out very clearly in detailed way. Now you are doing the same with Irina CAGE do you really enjoy harassing the girls for your pleasure? I dont know how they still didn't ban your account

[YumYum74]

viewer2 and sensitivia.skin, put this troll on your ignore list. Then the only thing you see is this:

This post was made by BlueShadow who is currently on your ignore list.

I finally did that after his continued bs in several model threads, and I can tell you: it lowers the blood pressure immensely.

[sensitivia.skin]

Exclusive model and ONLY anal sex? Mmh...
He must be crazy to keep doing fake advertisement

sorry (really) guys if I have to tell you that after 9 years and all this waiting you were fooled anyway by your idol.

Your exclusive model with her ONLY anal online.

https://www.analvids.com/watch/27996/3_on_1_anal_pounding_for_alyssa_daniels_sz411




But I'm the one who tells the lies, the bad guy.
Maybe I edited and photoshopped everything to manipulate reality, who knows...

We did not say you edit and photoshop things we all see Woodman lies a lot and talks bad about competitors to models but for gods sake it seems like you are obsessed with everything this guy does or says even when he explained this issue with JAYLA DE ANGELIS and she had to lose her time to reply you several times its not okay. and what did she receive back? insulting her and calling her skank and then you are surprised models dont want to work for LP. You also misinterpreted that she quit LP while she never posted any post about quitting. The truth is no one knows nothing what are her plans and plans of producers for LP If they still want to work together or not. I pray for you that you will never face this girl in real life because I am sure she would blast your face open keep praying for yourself bro.
Now you want to start another drama with other models like Irina who is also very good looking but by your stupid comments you just make her not want to do scenes for LP. Can you just leave all these girls alone? you see they have their lives outside of porn as well and you are the one who is obsessed with everything what happens in almost every models life. Are you really so unhappy with your life? I am a normal horndog like millions of others on this forum but we are not entertaining ourselves by insulting models just because we misinterpret their posts or are just jealous because you will never get so smoking hot babes in your life

[viewer2]

viewer2 and sensitivia.skin, put this troll on your ignore list. Then the only thing you see is this:

This post was made by BlueShadow who is currently on your ignore list.

I finally did that after his continued bs in several model threads, and I can tell you: it lowers the blood pressure immensely.

You're right. It's a loss of time. He doesn't seem to question himself and does not seem to be aware of the definition of the word "harassment".
We can criticize Woodman in a professional way (as for instance Robin Reid does), to raise awareness, but FFS we ought to be better than him. And everyone here should RESPECT THE MODELS.

[BlueShadow]

and what did she receive back? insulting her and calling her skank

Me? Where?

You also misinterpreted that she quit LP while she never posted any post about quitting.

Really? Sorry if I have misinterpreted

But this was BEFORE my comments. Yes, it's my fault if she said this BEFORE my comments.

We keep on talking about the same thing, but the point that escapes is always one.

here seems to me quite clear, nothing to interpret.
Then why that attitude with a fan?
And all of that, if you have eyes and see the dates/hours of the post (no need for Sherlock) was BEFORE I made those comments, so also stop accusing me of everything. LOL

(And then about harrassing girl about other productions, who made that first comment talking bad about LP? Certainly not me...)





On that conversation with Woodman she is sarcastic...ok...but next time, if it is so offensive to be associated with ''piss'', it would be better to reply to him: "what are you talking about?" Or maybe it wasn't the case to contradict him and play his game by letting others think that PW did piss in the first scene (casting)? Not my fault.
Are they afraid to say no these models? Otherwise what? Happens like Lara Malvo that was accused just because she said STOP during a PORN shoot?
And now I'll show you something else, which you will surely have noticed.

Since I'm a troll I show another fact:
https://sendvid.com/27sqe80n

She mutters something and clearly annoyed by it, and even turns her face away after the cut.

So if they want to be respected they should think about where they go to work. The question is: Here she knew from the beginning that the cumshot would be in the mouth and all was agreed before the scene? If yes, why that attitude? Another question, not accusation...sometime people misplace the two things...
And it's to point out his behaviors and how he is able to manipulate them,always his sneaky behaviour, not to attack the models who let themselves, unfortunately, involved with him.
But the fault is mine that I ask myself questions on some professional behaviour.
It's ok.
They would think to go to real productions, not to a toxic one that pretends to make ''porn'' just to satisfy his cravings and expose some girls, lies to his members (fact, look the post above, if people have eyes to see...), makes fake advertising /fact), invents stories(fact), speaks bad of other producers (fact).


If they really think I have the POWER to not make the girls work for LP or whatever (as you think XD or as that clown wants to make people think and use this only to have more material to manipulate the models in his way) just ban me. Is not LP/AV that give me the bread.


In the meantime let those idiots who pay believe that they have seen the ONLY anal on camera of AZYZA RYAD , if that is what they want to believe. Fairytales. Not my money in the end...

[BlueShadow]

So the question again: do you think this gives a good image, and do you think it's an efficient way to make your point?

but why people care so much about a comment of a member of a forum as if it could affect the work decisions of the girls...? When even some "producers" whose names I won't mention...PW.... speak bad of the models and those same models speak bad of the producers but in the end they work with them anyway as if nothing had happened?
And this is only one of the cases eh, not the only one.





Models and agencies are not interested in what producers say about them but they are interested in comments of a random guy on a forum? Don't make me laugh.


And there are "producers" who also speak bad of agencies, and agencies that speak bad of a producer
here for example (the most funny case) Brillbabes that doesn't have a positive idea about his way of working...look at today....the clownery...



Or even like Empatic Models (here at the beginning Mia Trejsi was with Empatic Model and he talks about them), but in the end these same agencies work with these "producers" anyway...




So if he speak bad of others without consequences (in the end those models/agencies keep working with him anyway) and he is a 'producer', who you should care of a member that is nobody?
It's just porn, it's just works, guys...MONEY. It's not about dignity and/or coherence.
Don't worry.
And I better stop here....

Byeee.

[BlueShadow]

You're right. It's a loss of time. He doesn't seem to question himself and does not seem to be aware of the definition of the word "harassment".
We can criticize Woodman in a professional way (as for instance Robin Reid does), to raise awareness, but FFS we ought to be better than him. And everyone here should RESPECT THE MODELS.

Exactly...
but...He is the first one that annoy the girls via whatsapp XD
Just go on Ginebra Bellucci thread on his forum, and you'll see the messages he sent her, where a 60years grown old man starts scold her because she worked freely for other productions and starts blathering that she had to follow his advice and blah blah blah. At some point he talk alone...




How do you think Ginebra Bellucci felt there?
And who know how many...


Or when he is always ready to message girl when he sees IG stories from models that might put him in a bad light and asks for explanations about those stories like a paranoid person. Messaging her for a simple story on IG.
Also put yourself in the shoes of these models who have to deal with him, and give their private number to him...



Then if we want to talk about all the times he bash models himself on his forum we'll never end (Alyssia Kent, Ginebra, Ivi Rein, Zlata Shine etc etc etc).


Playing the part of the umblemished paladin. Or accuse others like the inquisition. Ridiculous.

[BlueShadow]

We did not say you edit and photoshop things we all see Woodman lies[/quote]
I wasn't referring to you. But PW and members of his forum.
Like when I posted the screenshot of the IG story of Josephine Jackson where she said it was a bad experience with Woodman.
It was a photoshop they said. But then it came up the video...

[ValenciaCF]

The messages he sent Ginebra says it all. He is more concerned about his own business and money than Ginebra worrying about her own financial well being. He couldn't vare less. Its all about him and the way he looks to the public. So Ginebra must only work for him and refuse to make money for herself. Is he going to pay all her bills. This is the way PW thinks. His brain is the size of a peanut. She gave him the first anal so why is he questioning her about why she went to competitor. Is it her problem he releases his castings after 10 years just because it suits him. A girl must put her whole career on hold for this bastard. Pretending like is making her famous. So easy to see how he cause the trouble with everyone as he already proved here he does not respect models and their choices. Then he makes these poor girls look stupid on the forum when he's the asshole in every single case.

First and only anal of Azyza Ryad he says. What a fool. I told you guys he lies through his teeth. So this other picture must be a photoshop or her twin sister lol

[robin_reid]

Actually who replied this whatssap was the ex manager of Ginebra, a sinister guy that Woodman considers “his friend”. This manager was who offered me Ginebra for anal scenes, and I did shoot her for Firstanalquest and for Mofos while she was under this manager. Ginebra was a newcomer and I guess that she also wanted to shoot more anal scenes for others, but much more her manager that wanted to get as more shootings as possible for her as he was stealing the 50% of her rate and making good business by taking advantage of her. After me this manager also offered her to Gz studio etc etc… But Woodman only blames on Ginebra, that at time she was just a puppet between these 2 women abuser, the manager and him. Fortunatelly very soon she realized about these 2 persons, she parted ways with both and continued her successful carrer by her own.