Scenes with zero manhandle (hard anal action only)

[TheVulture]

Vulture, would this scene qualify as zero manhandle?
There is some very short FAN footage in it, thats the problem. But than again I still regard it as a normal position, here done in an move in order to try her get off.

People can make their own views but for me that's still manhandle, albeit quite light. For the purposes of this thread the best thing to do is just to mention it in the context of there being no other manhandle. If that's the most manhandle-y thing in the scene then clearly it warrants mention in this thread.

Again I'm going to dispute your suggestion that it's done to get the girl off. What is that based on? Surely it's just a bit of a poseur type male dom move to show him as an Alpha male or whatever. I don't like it and I don't see why it's necessary. Look at her ecstacy and the way that she throws back her head before he does it. That's what I want to see. The full nelson thing interferes with that and essentially swamps it.

You have this strange thing of always assuming good intentions when a male porn guy does something aggressive to a girl with his hands. Critics of mine might say that I'm the exact opposite and that would be fair enough but I think it pays to be a little cynical in this regard. I can't personally see any context in which a throat grab or a full nelson (or any other manhandle type move) is done for the benefit of the girl, unless we know she is the kind of porn girl who favours rough treatment and the scene is explicitly rough with the girl clearly getting off on it.

[dap-addict]

One more question related to OP: Is this manhandle in your book, Vulture?
As far as I understand it doenst fit into your 5 listed definitions.
(sz2691 - https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/216588)

[TheVulture]

One more question related to OP: Is this manhandle in your book, Vulture?
As far as I understand it doenst fit into your 5 listed definitions.

It's an interesting one and I thought this might come up. I don't like it. I don't see what it brings to a scene. It really exists solely to make the guy look "Alpha" and reduce the girl to a sex prop or whatever. Look how the girl throws her head back when he finally lets go. That is quite telling I think. For me, yes that is manhandle. It's ugly and for me a complete turn off.

I can see that it escapes my definitions and just goes to show that they are not watertight if you like.

What do you think? Do you like it? If so, why?

[dap-addict]

The Godshack grabbing (...) There are likely to be tons of scenes in this thread where only him or his thug buddy Luca Ferrero engage in some token manhandle not fitting the overall tone of the scene. I have learned to generally avoid scenes where they are either solo or part of a 2 guy tandem...

Trying to set up an alternative thread discussing both Angelo Godshack and Luca Ferrero based on your observations: viewtopic.php?f=96&t=9786&p=490933#p490933
I'm not that familiar with Luca anymore, was more when he started to work for LP many years back. Anyway, he seems a bit of a revenge stud using manhandle moves to cover up his own failures, which is the worst way to do it also for OP I think. Or not?

[TheVulture]

Trying to set up an alternative thread discussing both Angelo Godshack and Luca Ferrero based on your observations: viewtopic.php?f=96&t=9786&p=490933#p490933
I'm not that familiar with Luca anymore, was more when he started to work for LP many years back. Anyway, he seems a bit of a revenge stud using manhandle moves to cover up his own failures, which is the worst way to do it also for OP I think. Or not?

That sounds about right. He's basically just a thug. Godshack perhaps is more of a poseur but his "throat first" style I just find totally nauseating (not to mention "the bicep"). Neeo is a wrestler who I just think has an evil intent about him - looks as though he hates the girls. Tony Brooklyn likes to dominate with his hands in quite a subtle way but which nonetheless irritates me and certainly isn't relaxed. Mr Anderson and his protegee Oliver Trunk are I think complete misogynists - their style is entirely hateful. They have their audience and that's fine, I'll pass. Michael Fly and Mark Dozer are phonies - for ages were great reliable studs but now do a default arm twist and throat grab thing (respectively) that seems to be entirely instructed and purely to "fit in". Pathetic stuff IMHO.

That's pretty much it but maybe not exclusive. Each to their own but I don't like any of those guys and will generally only buy scenes where they're part of a large group. They are all unlikely to feature heavily in this thread I would think.

[dap-addict]

Very interesting studs assessment!
So basically it goes down to avoiding:

Godshack
Neeo
Brooklyn
Mr Anderson
Oliver Trunk
Michael Fly
Mark Dozer

...and Luca Ferrero I guess?

[dap-addict]

One more question related to OP: Is this manhandle in your book, Vulture?
As far as I understand it doenst fit into your 5 listed definitions.

It's an interesting one and I thought this might come up. I don't like it. I don't see what it brings to a scene. It really exists solely to make the guy look "Alpha" and reduce the girl to a sex prop or whatever. Look how the girl throws her head back when he finally lets go. That is quite telling I think. For me, yes that is manhandle. It's ugly and for me a complete turn off.

I can see that it escapes my definitions and just goes to show that they are not watertight if you like.

What do you think? Do you like it? If so, why?

Its Mark Dozer again and here I agree completely with you. It really brings nothing to this scene, apart from Dozer pretending he was trying to fuck Jolee deeper by that move. Which doenst work ofc.
I dont like this move either, more it could be pretty painful for the girls neck.
And as you say above: The way Jolee thrown back her neck says it all.

Its kind of manhandle light, never works as its just a caricature.

[dap-addict]

OK we need some rules. To qualify as zero manhandle the scene can't have any of the following:

Throat grabbing
Face slapping
Arm twisting
General wrestling of the girl(s) of any kind

I would also add the thing where the guy in anchor DP/DAP puts his hands behind the girl's neck to push her head forward.

I see you dont mention ass cheek slapping, Vulture.
Maybe than this 1st Alice Trece Prague DAP counts as zero-manhandle?


https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/216473 (sz2677)

In first scan focused on Dozer I saw him only slapping her ass in cgDAP a few times, quite light slaps, she doenst seem to mind at all. But the latter is the girls reaction not the act itself, thus it might show you nothing at all anyway. Angelo Godshack and Luca Ferrero seem to fuck entirely manhandle-free in this one, if I am not mistaken.

[TheVulture]

I see you dont mention ass cheek slapping, Vulture.
Maybe than this 1st Alice Trece Prague DAP counts as zero-manhandle?


https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/216473 (sz2677)

In first scan focused on Dozer I saw him only slapping her ass in cgDAP a few times, quite light slaps, she doenst seem to mind at all. But the latter is the girls reaction not the act itself, thus it might show you nothing at all anyway. Angelo Godshack and Luca Ferrero seem to fuck entirely manhandle-free in this one, if I am not mistaken.

Cheers fella. I do have this one - can't remember the specifics of the scene off the top of my head but certainly one that I recall liking a lot. I think ass slapping is fine, although I don't like it when excessive.

Interesting with Godshack and Ferrero there - presumably under strict orders? With regard to the excellent Gonzo scene Alicia did with Mina we were discussing in another thread (which practically classes as zero manhandle so qualifies here), Alicia also had zero manhandle in that one. This tends to suggest she might have requested zero manhandle for her Prague scenes and if so, kudos to her. What's interesting with that though is that Godshack and Ferrero were the studs for all of her earlier scenes shot in Colombia (I think) and they were very rough to the extent that I only bought the odd one as most were easy skips from the trailers. Perhaps Alicia has let LP know that she isn't hugely receptive to that style. It will be interesting to see how her scenes pan out from now on but certainly I just want to see her being fucked hard with that massive smile on her face and zero male dom rubbish.

[TheVulture]

Just to add to the above, the recent (excellent) Daniela Ortiz Gonzo scene is also very manhandle-lite and perhaps even zero manhandle. Again her earlier scenes were very, very rough to the extent that I couldn't buy any apart from a gangbang scene from Natasha Teen's studio with 3 other girls (Natasha, Emily Pink & Alicia Trece again - the Halloween one, great scene). Thus there is maybe a pattern here of Alicia and Daniela explicitly moving away from manhandle with their newer scenes. Time will tell but again I hope that is the case.

[TheVulture]

I realise this wasn't the most popular thread in AV/LP history but as I'm on a porn sabbatical due to applying a "zero tolerance" line with manhandle I thought I might appeal to see if anyone can give me tip-offs for any AV/LP scenes that fulfill this brief (hardcore lines only - no need for solo scenes/Porn World etc.)

Looking at the trailers, Didi Zerati DAP Destination looks promising (great girl too), although looks like a throat grab of sorts in there. Yum Yum 74 has kindly also advised new Eden Ivy only has a couple of light face taps in her Models thread so both of those are promising. I lack trust in AV/LP just now though so maybe need some more sure fire dead certs before punting on those.

Help a brother out with some porn money burning a hole in my pocket here. I'm after any help with that oddest and most outlier-esque of 2021 porn fetishes....hardcore "all holes" sex where the guys don't have any thought or regard for being physically aggressive with the girls but just want to fuck.

Anything?

Any wider user support for a specific line of that nature where we can buy with confidence and financially support such a studio?

[TheVulture]

Just to add....I don't expect anyone to watch the whole scene making notes (and I'm not going to sue anyone if they get it wrong) but if you know anything that might fit the bill just let me know and I can watch the trailer and make an informed decision.

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mark hard anal

[Jocke]

I recommend this one:
Eden does.. Anna De Ville w Fisting + Pee! Feed these hungry holes!!! ED001
https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/217915


Yannick takes it like a man!

[TheVulture]

I ended my 3 month or so AP/LV hiatus on Friday and got a subscription to buy 6 of the 8 scenes I had listed as being suitable to my "zero manhandle" remit. I'm happy to say they're all excellent and pretty much pass that remit.

I'll try to do some reviews when I've had chance to absorb them a bit more but for now the 6 scenes are:

Eva Perez (Yummy Estudio - YE140)
Isabella De Laa (Private - no scene code)
Sexy Susi (Gonzo - SZ2756)
Gabriela Andrade (Yummy Estudio - no scene code)
Sasha Beart (Pan Porn - PPP002)
Eden Ivy (Eden Does... - ED002)

The Sexy Susi one is interesting as it includes thug-for-hire Luca Ferrero and the tedious out-of-the-action throat-grabber Mark Dozer. I would normally be loathe to ever support a scene with either of these guys but as per the trailer they do both amazingly refrain from any kind of manhandle or male dom throughout this scene (*disclaimer I've only viewed it once and perhaps not intensively but it certainly looked that way on that viewing*) Susi must therefore have requested this you would have to think and more power to her. It's a truly volcanic scene and all the more so as she is able to express herself and take centre stage without being swarmed by male egos.

As I only have 2 more scenes listed (the Eden Does...scene with Eden & Mary Jane and the Mambo Perv scene with Natasha Rios, Eva Perez & Caroletta Roots) I'll allow my next subscription to renew to buy those and hope that there might be some more suitable scenes by that point. As you can see it's slow going though with on average about 2 (!) scenes a month that satisfy my requirements.

Those 6 are certainly recommended for anyone else who shares my porn tastes. The Eden Ivy one perhaps takes top honours just for its incredible heat and the levels of lust bursting from the screen. I did wince a bit when I saw that Potro De Bilbao was in this scene (I hadn't spotted him in the trailer) as he's another hired thug and lo-and-behold he does do a little bit of throat-grabbing very late on in the scene (as does 1 other younger stud I think). Those are the 2 biggest black marks from the 6 scenes but they didn't totally kill the scene thankfully. Had either been in the trailer I would likely have passed though, which does show the difficulty of this remit and perhaps just how much of a cancer the practice is now (I'd be interested to know if Eden was happy with it as the director as well as star as it was very much against the grain of the scene generally).

It's a shame that I have to be so selective these days and unless things radically change I'm obviously not going to be a "top-up 3 or more times per month" consumer again as I was frequently in the (even very recent) past. And I still find it very easy to dismiss scenes from the trailers, particularly Giorgio's as he is really just hard-wired into the aggressive male dom thing. NRX and VK similarly are barely even worth checking trailers.

Anyone else have any suggestions of recent zero manhandle scenes?

[pomegrante]

The recent scene featuring Jolee Love & Francys Belle. Part 2 no manhandling & going by the trailer & screenshots from pt 1 it looks like there's none there either.

[TheVulture]

The recent Polly Petrova YE scene fits this category very nicely. Doesn't have a scene code but it's called "Polly Petrova celebrates her bachelorette party getting fucked by seven big cocks doing double anal and DP"

Great scene with excellent performer chemistry and volcanic sex action.

[TheVulture]

Latin Teens has been superb of late and the Launa Honey (LTP046) and Michelle Anderson (LTP047) scenes are both zero manhandle. In fact, so are most of the scenes I've bought of late, all of which have been incredible, especially Eden Ivy (GIO2056) and Mina (SZ2817). Big shout also to John Price and his XfreaX scenes, which again are zero manhandle.

AV/LP deserves some kudos as it seems to have reined in some of the unsexy rough stuff of late and as a result is delivering the absolutely ferocious hardcore anal sex I want to see with girls clearly loving it and not being smothered, overpowered or having their heat doused. Keep it up please!