The Return of Kuckmal - feedback welcome

[dap-addict]

Yep, same here. Thats what I know about him and no more.
At the time he changed biz it was a really good move, he might not have to work anymore long ago. Sometimes I just wonder whether some of his porn real estate stories materialized when he was a real real estate agent?

[Pineapples Studio]

Yes. JYL got into real estate.

[netzerkaiser]

Yes. JYL got into real estate.

Check my post on Private... so much there to remember... good, great times Brother.

[netzerkaiser]

A one, A two, A three!

[House MD]

Well I believe it's a great loss for the industry

[annmsklr5]

Honestly there are so many LP scenes which the return of kukmal would turn them from good/great into excellent!
I'd vote for the return of kukmal in no time.

Sadly I think current LP directors, producers and actors just don't know how to shoot it or don't even know what it is.

[Pineapples Studio]

Well I believe it's a great loss for the industry

It happened like 15 years ago.

[dap-addict]

Sadly I think current LP directors, producers and actors just don't know how to shoot it or don't even know what it is.

Giorgio Grandi is clearly influenced by JYL's kuckmal, so was SOS and some of his camera crew.
Problem with GIO is that other features have meanwhile covered up that tradition. And also he is clearly not caring anymore for the attention JYL gave to kuckmal, he's not celebrating it, but its usually a rushed reminiscence only.
But the reference is there!

Miriam More spread in JYL kuckmal style after her 2nd rcdap take @ GIO1915.

[Kuckmal-Jbeam]

Well the new kuckmal scene was disappointing. It's almost as if it's just a b-roll from the Kuckmal scenes released last year.

Why is porn history so hard to be taught, passed down and brought back? All they have to do is study or bring a guy that really dug porn during the late 90s early 2000s to shoot scenes - or perform in them.

Interesting how so many of us paying customers have a great understanding of kuckmal and yet no pro behind cameras (or in front of them) knows how to shoot and come up with new kuckmal porn.

It's about gapes, dudes! And also comedy! Make it fun! We like the depraved, holes full of cocks scenes, but it's important to keep porn fun!

Kuckmal from the 90s and early 2000s. Funny stuff. What does the "beeeeam" or "peeeem" mean? I sometimes hear "ale kuckmal" "peeeeem" and I bust out laughing and smiling.

I wish we could see more of those clean, big, "kuckmal" gapes. Not the gapes where the ass looks ready to prolapse or bleed.

If you wanna learn more about kuckmal and jbeam you just have to read this whole thread. It's been explained in detail by many of us.

Yes. JYL got into real estate.

Check my post on Private... so much there to remember... good, great times Brother.

Yeah, that's the spirit: back during the Private golden age, we porn lovers shared the same love for good porn and we were in a way BROTHERS.

[netzerkaiser]

If you wanna learn more about kuckmal and jbeam you just have to read this whole thread. It's been explained in detail by many of us.

Yes. JYL got into real estate.

Check my post on Private... so much there to remember... good, great times Brother.

Yeah, that's the spirit: back during the Private golden age, we porn lovers shared the same love for good porn and we were in a way BROTHERS.[/quote]

Theres one element here you need to understand. I'm not sure you do. 95% of the charm, which can never be replicated, of those 1996-2004 scenes, comes from the naivity of the Hungarian & Czech girls, 95% of whom today would never dream of entering porn. I think most of them believed their scenes would just vanish, never re-emerge in their homelands... they had no idea of the unforgiving memory of the internet, who did? I'm guessing most of them thought they could just carry on as normal in their lives & their performances would never be something that could come back on them. In addition, in the post-Communist era was a trusting that all change / innovation from the West was positive.

That innocence can never be easily replicated. It belongs to a certain time & cultural / economic circumstance.

[greenfunk727]

Unbelievably it’s been 2 years since I started this thread. Many porn connoisseur have commentated in this time and for that I salute you bunch of perverts.

I think many people have different views on Kuckmal but for me and this takes me back to where I first saw a gape thanks to JYL. Before the Kuckmal anal was anal. After the Kuckmal it was about showing off a gape.

It wasn’t necessarily his technique, or the beam or even the position (although the reverse cowgirl pulling a gape is still the best)

It was the first time to show off the gape. It changed anal porn and obviously you can see in almost every LP video that the gape is shown off.

But this gets me to my point - BIG GAPES

The Kuckmal is still talked about but I think most people just want to see gapes. Big fucking gapes.

We don’t need to mimic the original style because the camera and the filming technique and the zoom weren’t the best. JYL was the original because he introduced us to the gape and changed porn forever.


So as a fan, like a lot of people on this thread, I don’t want LP to mimic the original creator. We are way beyond that. I want LP to appreciate pulling big gapes should be a fundamental art of any scene. We don’t need 100s of gapes per scene we need a dozen super hardcore gapes. The gape to be shown off. The model to talk to the camera while pulling gapes. The model to be looking at the camera while pulling big gapes.

I read a lot from fans on the forum about feet or heels or fashion and these are all niches outside anal porn. For 90% of anal porn fans super gapes are where the money is.

Kuckmal has morphed. Super power gapes is what a lot of fans are interested in.

Who’s with me?

[dap-addict]

Interesting how so many of us paying customers have a great understanding of kuckmal and yet no pro behind cameras (or in front of them) knows how to shoot and come up with new kuckmal porn.

Well, I think Giorgio Grandi and also Evil Pineapple understand kuckmal pretty well. Worse its for sure with GIO assistant director and Omar or Florane Russels hubby.
Btw, some JYL beeeaaaam nostalgia got me today: viewtopic.php?f=96&t=35524&p=538861#p538861

[Mr_Bondi]

Well executed here with the "full nelson" modification

[Kuckmal-Jbeam]

Interesting how so many of us paying customers have a great understanding of kuckmal and yet no pro behind cameras (or in front of them) knows how to shoot and come up with new kuckmal porn.

Well, I think Giorgio Grandi and also Evil Pineapple understand kuckmal pretty well. Worse its for sure with GIO assistant director and Omar or Florane Russels hubby.
Btw, some JYL beeeaaaam nostalgia got me today: viewtopic.php?f=96&t=35524&p=538861#p538861

Well, they might have a good idea about it but they don't really know how to bring out the fun element. In a way they just think it's about positioning the camera to show gape. Also, I'm of the opinion that kuckmal is also about the male performers understanding what it is about and help doing it right. There's a right moment to do it and the right position. I have my doubts if the actors that have worked in the LP kuckmal scenes have actually watched a good kuckmal scene by JYLC. Besides Ian Scott, I mostly saw guys that were like "oh yeah, kuckmal is just about taking my cock out of the girl to show gape".

LP should by now see that this thread has about 4 pages and a bunch of enthusiasts. They should invite JYLC to come out of retirement for a week to shoot some kuckmal scenes, teaching some apprentices, and then going back to his home with the satisfaction of knowing he has passed on his gift. Once you ride a bike, you never forget how to do it and I bet he'd not need a lot of convincing for a special project.

[asenalx]

I know, i'm also disappointed about the lack of good kuckmal scenes in the past, but I just found this really well executed Kuckmal by Lexi Dona. It was an instant buy for me!
The scene was just released and I want to inform all the Kuckmal-Heads about it. I hope this is the start of a new era and more nice Kuckmals will follow crossing fingers

https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/206386

Lexi Dona

[bake0213]

Although there is scant competition, I think Mr Ananas does a good job with it. At least he recognizes it as an ongoing interest and captures it.

DID recognize. He hasn't even been online in over a month. It remains to be seen whether or not more scenes of this nature get made.

[bake0213]

@Bake0213
point taken, but he has had a gap in production before and cames back with3 or 4 very good scenes. He has said here that there is an ongoing gap, but just temporary.
That said, you are correct and fingers crossed he produces again and soon

While his focus on 0% pussy and feet are not interesting to me, I think he brings a lot to this site and forum. I hope he returns bigger and better than ever.

[Kuckmal-Jbeam]

I know, i'm also disappointed about the lack of good kuckmal scenes in the past, but I just found this really well executed Kuckmal by Lexi Dona. It was an instant buy for me!
The scene was just released and I want to inform all the Kuckmal-Heads about it. I hope this is the start of a new era and more nice Kuckmals will follow crossing fingers

https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/206386

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"Kuckmal-Heads" <3

[annmsklr5]

With all the respect for Mr. Ananas I can't say I 100% like his return of kuckmal scene trials.

Kuckmal scenes are supposed to be shot with the girls that are at least capable of doing good anal gapes and know how to
spread their assholes properly which wasn't the case with Mr. Ananas's scenes. Sorry.
Old russian GG Exclusive scenes were far better in this aspect.

[Kuckmal-Jbeam]

Such a pity we're still without a capable director that could bring us the great kuckmal back.

[Gapetickler]

Thanks Kuckmal-Jbeam for the excellent recap and history and I also am a big fan of Arsenalx's work. Always find myself looking for new PMVs from him.

I am in total agreement, we need a director with reverence and consideration of the past and learning what works but also looking to the future with innovative ideas to expand and evolve the fun and perverted side of anal where the girls have fun and enjoy showing off themselves. The beauty is that many girls do enjoy hardcore anal and showing off their gapes so don't think the era of this content is behind us.

I would love to be such a director and have a notebook of ideas and feel it may be my calling and just waiting for an opportunity to transition to this career. And I would hire Asenalx to do the highlights and comp vids if available!

The comp stuff produced here on LP and other sites is just not what it could be. Like the "only gapes" comps literally cut off the gape just after the initial spread. We all expect and deserve better!

[backflipman]

Didn't know the Kuckmal had it's own thread, definately a fan and supporter of that!

[backflipman]

From the current studios/producers Vira Gold seems to be the one shooting what comes the closest to the original "Kuckmal" not sure if intentional or by coincidence as it is not a part in every scene. Maybe it is just due to Oliver Trunk often doing the full anal nelson reverse cowgirl.

This to me is a perfect executed "kuckmal" while reverse cowgirl is quite a common porn scene, it often lacks the "lift" of the girl in that position and the girl doing the spread.
Like here for example

Also the camera angle and distance are quite important. For camera angle I suppose the best is at the height of the perineum (the part that separates the ass and the pussy) giving you a good look at both holes, also the girl should lift her head and look into the camera.
This for example is way too close

Another advantage is that it is also 100% DAP-compatible. Just gets often ruined by the top guy sticking his dick into the butt and ruining the possibilty to enjoy the view. This whole act was popular for over a decade by the director who gets labeled the "King of Anal" it was featured in movies that to this point people still consider the best anal scenes. Yet current producers fail to integrate that simple formula into their scenes on a site called ANALVIDS. Of course there is no need for the counting and the calling of "Kuckmal" but just doing the action.

The only things that comes close to it in my opinion is face down ass up, the girl spreading and looking back into the camera with the male performer going out after a good pounding to let the model open her ass and let viewers enjoy the view. I can't even find an accurate screenshot of that in recent scenes.... ridiculous.
Last would be the "missionary?" I don't know if it called like that variation. Girl on her back legs up guys fucking from the front girl spreading her cheeks and also looking at the camera.
Kinda like that
But the girl actually spreading and not just "holding" her butt + a bit different angle so you can see the girls face or she could tilt her head a bit to be able to look into the camera.

That would be it 3 great positions great executed, filmed right and the performers just following some simple instructions (girl spreads, looks at camera, guys not "interrupting" and getting out of the way at the right time or doing the "lift")

[dap-addict]

Yet current producers fail to integrate that simple formula into their scenes on a site called ANALVIDS. Of course there is no need for the counting and the calling of "Kuckmal" but just doing the action.

+ 1
Problem is porn users and fans dont ask directors for kuckmal as often as they did closer to last Assman editions by JYL. Assman 26 with that legendary Vivienne LaRoche 3on1 DAP by Steve Holmes, Rosenberg and Lengin is almost 20 years ago.
Also JYL himself left porn for real estate around 2006. He left a great legacy behind, true master pieces, but from LP directors only Giorgio Grandi actively remember him as a director and also actor I think. Oliver Trunk who should also still know who he is has too little influence on LPAV productions. Actively only Pinapples Studio - and partly SOS until around 2015 - tried to fellow a JYL path on LP. GIO includes still some of JYL's ideas, but Grandi has long developed his own porn film language.

[dap-addict]

Btw, the legendary JYL at work including marginal kuckmal instructions here on pornbox: https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/109787

To find the original Matador (Private) scenes on pornbox is a pain in the ass, though.
But I think there was a JYL fan putting together a list somewhere. I'll try to post that forum link later.

[backflipman]

Btw, the legendary JYL at work including marginal kuckmal instructions here on pornbox: https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/109787

To find the original Matador (Private) scenes on pornbox is a pain in the ass, though.
But I think there was a JYL fan putting together a list somewhere. I'll try to post that forum link later.

Thanks for that! I wasn't even aware this stuff is on here, as you mentioned it is hard to find. I quickly searched the forum for Matador and found the thread you were referring to : https://forum.pornbox.com/viewtopic.php?f=127&t=26093&p=676526&hilit=matador#p676526

The prices are quite high though considering it is just a single scene you would get that were often also rather short. There are some DVD-Rental and On demand sites that would offer the full movie for a lower price. Maybe they are included on Xvideos subscription, but given the original quality is quite low and xvids compresses it even further makes it quite unappealing, probably something for hardcore fans.

With all the recent discussion about AI, I believe this is where it would be the most beneficial. There is quite some technology that could handle video enhancement and upscaling for scenes like that and video restoration in general.
Especially this gem https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/91401

This said and considering the title of the thread I am not just purely nostalgia driven and saying all scenes were better back then. It is more about rising awareness of current producers that such an unique yet simple addition to current scenes could really boost the quality. It is not just another checklist point that needs to be checked.
To me it is about the general "presentation" of the action. Away from the chaotic constant position changing or type of penetration changing. The main point of that is to create more focus and this is imo the best to create a focus on what is really important in this kind of scenes. Seeing the girls facial expression, seeing the anal penetration while also seeing the pussy, the girl presenting her open holes showing how well she got stretched and it is all in just one shot. Today you see a close up facial expression moving to close up penetration, the gape being a 3 second close up and then a position change... it is just far less appealing.
And as mentioned above it is adaptable to different positions and different actions.
I mean in this way the forum is pure gold, if only producers and directors see it and are willing to learn and understand and be a bit more flexible about shooting or trying other (even if not new) things.

[Kuckmal-Jbeam]

Thanks Kuckmal-Jbeam for the excellent recap and history and I also am a big fan of Arsenalx's work. Always find myself looking for new PMVs from him.

I am in total agreement, we need a director with reverence and consideration of the past and learning what works but also looking to the future with innovative ideas to expand and evolve the fun and perverted side of anal where the girls have fun and enjoy showing off themselves. The beauty is that many girls do enjoy hardcore anal and showing off their gapes so don't think the era of this content is behind us.

I would love to be such a director and have a notebook of ideas and feel it may be my calling and just waiting for an opportunity to transition to this career. And I would hire Asenalx to do the highlights and comp vids if available!

The comp stuff produced here on LP and other sites is just not what it could be. Like the "only gapes" comps literally cut off the gape just after the initial spread. We all expect and deserve better!

You're vey welcome, Gapetickler!

What I thought about the other day was seeing a way to contact David Perry. He was there, side to side, with the great JYLC and he basically was a driving force in the jbeam/kuckmal phenomenon. He directs porn too now! Can't he put a JBEAM Redux series in production? I dunno ways to contact him though and make the suggestion.

Didn't know the Kuckmal had it's own thread, definately a fan and supporter of that!

Join us, bro!

Yet current producers fail to integrate that simple formula into their scenes on a site called ANALVIDS. Of course there is no need for the counting and the calling of "Kuckmal" but just doing the action.

+ 1
Problem is porn users and fans dont ask directors for kuckmal as often as they did closer to last Assman editions by JYL. Assman 26 with that legendary Vivienne LaRoche 3on1 DAP by Steve Holmes, Rosenberg and Lengin is almost 20 years ago.
Also JYL himself left porn for real estate around 2006. He left a great legacy behind, true master pieces, but from LP directors only Giorgio Grandi actively remember him as a director and also actor I think. Oliver Trunk who should also still know who he is has too little influence on LPAV productions. Actively only Pinapples Studio - and partly SOS until around 2015 - tried to fellow a JYL path on LP. GIO includes still some of JYL's ideas, but Grandi has long developed his own porn film language.

You're such a connoisseur, man! Vivienne is simply amazing!!!!

Yeah, I see your point about how memory fades in the porno world. I wish David Perry would learn about us, hardcore kuckmal fans.

[dap-addict]

You're such a connoisseur, man! Vivienne is simply amazing!!!!

Yeah, I see your point about how memory fades in the porno world. I wish David Perry would learn about us, hardcore kuckmal fans.

Let's just counter-act because if JYL legacy is lost, porn looses a lot!
Also it's never too late to convince a new porn director to get inspired by JYL's ideas and his kuckmal shootings.

[lecastelsBEAM]

brothers need to bring back Le Castel, as long as he is still alive, there is always a chance!! he can star in a few scenes, teach his secret techniques to the producers and then dissapear in the wind like Mary Poppins!

Imagine Le Castel kuckmal and Jbeeeeeeeeaam Susan Ayn, Tina Hot and Franceska Jaimes!!!

Or a legend-universe-assbreaking duet with Mike Chapman! Can you imagine that? Jean Yves Le Castel feat Mike Chapman = best porn in history

Franceska Jaimes and her sister vs Jean Yves Le Castel, Mike Chapman and Midget Pistolinha
Tina Hot and Susan Ayn vs Jean Yves Le Castel, Midget Pistolinha and Mike Chapman

Also a final goodbye scene of Le Castel getting his techniques done on him by male and females together

A one, A two, A three: OLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

[Kuckmal-Jbeam]

You're such a connoisseur, man! Vivienne is simply amazing!!!!

Yeah, I see your point about how memory fades in the porno world. I wish David Perry would learn about us, hardcore kuckmal fans.

Let's just counter-act because if JYL legacy is lost, porn looses a lot!
Also it's never too late to convince a new porn director to get inspired by JYL's ideas and his kuckmal shootings.

I mean, sure, a new director could learn it. But given that David Perry is around, he could bring back kuckmal. Do you know a way to contact him directly?

brothers need to bring back Le Castel, as long as he is still alive, there is always a chance!! he can star in a few scenes, teach his secret techniques to the producers and then dissapear in the wind like Mary Poppins!

Imagine Le Castel kuckmal and Jbeeeeeeeeaam Susan Ayn, Tina Hot and Franceska Jaimes!!!

Or a legend-universe-assbreaking duet with Mike Chapman! Can you imagine that? Jean Yves Le Castel feat Mike Chapman = best porn in history

Franceska Jaimes and her sister vs Jean Yves Le Castel, Mike Chapman and Midget Pistolinha
Tina Hot and Susan Ayn vs Jean Yves Le Castel, Midget Pistolinha and Mike Chapman

Also a final goodbye scene of Le Castel getting his techniques done on him by male and females together

A one, A two, A three: OLEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

OLEEEEEEEEEEEE!

But seriously: I think there's zero chance he'd come back to perform. Unless he's having a hard time getting pussy/asshole these days. Then I think he'd perform. Even as a director I think there's no chance of him coming back.

I don't care for Chapman. He was never in the Assman world to begin with, so I dunno what he'd add to the plate.

[dap-addict]

But seriously: I think there's zero chance he'd come back to perform. Unless he's having a hard time getting pussy/asshole these days. Then I think he'd perform. Even as a director I think there's no chance of him coming back.

JYL is turning 59yo soon.
He's completely retired from directing as well as acting.
As far as I know he went into real estate; a long time ago I was in contact with him, but I lost trace. This said also Omar Galanti returned, but he was retired only about 7years and is aged 49yo. It's another life part still.

I bet JYL keeps a quiet low profile life, but French speakers here could try to find some traces maybe. Ideally there should be out there something in wide vast internet.

[Kuckmal-Jbeam]

But seriously: I think there's zero chance he'd come back to perform. Unless he's having a hard time getting pussy/asshole these days. Then I think he'd perform. Even as a director I think there's no chance of him coming back.

JYL is turning 59yo soon.
He's completely retired from directing as well as acting.
As far as I know he went into real estate; a long time ago I was in contact with him, but I lost trace. This said also Omar Galanti returned, but he was retired only about 7years and is aged 49yo. It's another life part still.

I bet JYL keeps a quiet low profile life, but French speakers here could try to find some traces maybe. Ideally there should be out there something in wide vast internet.

My suggestion remains the same: contact David Perry. He could bring beeeeeeam back!