Problem with watching porn

[hardanalfan]

When we watching porn scenes do you think that we are changing our view of women and looking at them only as objects to satisfy our passion and not as complete personalities because porn scenes mostly show us parts of performers(ass, gape, pussy, etc)

[fighthardin321]

Well...

Ya

I mean we are watching 2 big dicks ram her butthole so...

Their are some gals with personalities on here.

Francys Belle, Brittany Bardot to name a few.

Might be a language barrier as well with not seeing who they are.

[dap-addict]

When we watching porn scenes do you think that we are changing our view of women and looking at them only as objects

Watching DAP actually made me more open for the needs and different personalities of women I am not actually with, but still adore to watch. Before I concentrated only on personality of the woman I dated.
Thus I dont see a problem as your subject title suggests but rather the contrary.

[Starrio]

Both men and women are tools for each other. Women use men for various reasons, and men use women too. We are helpful to each other, and there is nothing wrong with that.

That said, porn can mess you up.

For example recently I started having a recurring dream that just like women in Israel have to serve military duty for 3 years, that there was a new worldwide decree that women had to serve a mandatory 2 years of hooking service starting on her 18th birthday.

For this period they are living in dorms and are open for business 6 days per week from Monday to Saturday, with only one day off on Sunday, but they can't go back home during that day.

Each day they have a mandatory 12 hour shift during which clients have the right to access anal, pussy, and mouth without condoms, and the girls cannot refuse service to anyone. Creampies and swallows were standard procedure unless the client had a different request, such as a facial and piss.

On top of that, they also had a rigorous fitness routine, and diet to follow along certain grooming guidelines while having a team constantly checking on her grooming and sanitation. There was no vacation time during the two years, not even on national holidays.

Apparently there were no venereal diseases anymore, and they were vaccinated to not get pregnant during this period.

On busy days the girls would have a limit of 15 minutes between sessions to clean up, use the restroom, and touch up, and I guess their was a lunch time, but it wasn't specified, although no substances of any kind were allowed. They had to do this sober.

However there were some limitations for clients too. They couldn't book the same girl for more than one hour per day. This was to prevent family members and friends to book a girl so she didn't have to work.

The clients cannot take her away of the dorms where they would perform their duties, they have to spend the entire hour with her, and if they book a girl without showing up for it they could face jail time.

There were severe penalties for those booking girls only to prevent them from performing these services, and they were very meticulous about that, so no girls regardless of their social status would have preferencial treatment.

Only males of at least 30 years of age were allowed to receive services, and the older the client was, the highest the priority for bookings.

Foreigners were able to participate as long as they met those requirements, and their was a lot of traveling because of this.

Threesomes, foursomes, and fivesomes were allowed as long as the +1 girls weren't booked already for a different client, and multiple clients were also allowed to team up for the same girl.

Also, just like in real life parlors, there were constant cosplay events where costumes were provided for the girls, including wedding outfits, school girl outfits, sports teams outfits, stewart outfits, maid outfits, nurse outfits, office attire outfits, tomboy outfits, sailor outfits, military outfits, police outfits, cheerleader outfits, etc..

There was no money involved, no tips of any kind because it was a government program. After the two years women were free again, with guaranteed pensions, healthcare, and free education for the rest of their lives.

What happened is that scientific studies came to the conclusion that men were the cause of all world problems because there were too many losers walking around everywhere, and they were the cause of violence, wars, and criminal activity.

With this program, violence, wars, and criminal activity were completely eliminated, and even guys under 30 behaved because they were looking forward to be able to obtain these services.

The studies also provided strong evidence that because all men didn't have to worry about sex anymore, their productivity increased, and lot of scientific breakthroughs were accomplished because of this.

That's a dream only a 12 years old discovering puberty has, and here I am at age 30 having a dream like that, so yeah, porn can mess you up a bit.

If that recurring dream doesn't resemble objectification, I don't know what does. Although the same argument can be said for any other way of people making a living.

[drevokocur66]

When we watching porn scenes do you think that we are changing our view of women and looking at them only as objects to satisfy our passion and not as complete personalities because porn scenes mostly show us parts of performers(ass, gape, pussy, etc)

It may help you, if you watch porn with your eyes closed.

[Jocke]

It is quite common that people get shocked by their own dreams. Often the dreams depict things you absolutely do not want to happen. It seems to be the brain's way of exploring taboo topics without acting on them. Some people become afraid that they would do the taboo things but normal sane people do not have to enact things they have dreamt about. When you are awake you are in control, at least if you are sober.

It is well known that women have rape fantasies despite it being the last thing they want to happen. In that case some do enact consensual non-consent. It is important to note that this is consensual. In some cases it is supposed to be the wish to do nasty things without having to take responsibility. I think it is the same with glory holes for men. To get a blow job without having to interact with another human being. I can understand this. It is a mountain to climb to learn to interact with another person while being driven by your primitive lust. However, when you master it emotionally and physically, it is rewarding beyond just primitive relief.

[SaitoX]

I think most mature adults are capable of distinguishing fantasy from reality. See also violent videogames and explicit music and movies.

Those who fail to tell the difference should be reprimanded accordingly, but others shouldnt have to be punished for their BS.

[Starrio]

I think most mature adults are capable of distinguishing fantasy from reality. See also violent videogames and explicit music and movies.

Those who fail to tell the difference should be reprimanded accordingly, but others shouldnt have to be punished for their BS.

100%

[fighthardin321]

I think most mature adults are capable of distinguishing fantasy from reality. See also violent videogames and explicit music and movies.

Those who fail to tell the difference should be reprimanded accordingly, but others shouldnt have to be punished for their BS.

Fair point...

But what about those that actually make their "fantasy" a reality

So many people use the word fantasy....Yolo...Make it a reality.

[misangrenegra2]

"Sexual object" is a hard word, and sadly usually used to define the women in the porn industry. Surely a part of porn viewers think in that way. I think this factor depends of the viewer but clearly in porn they are the way to show you and represent different kind sex acts to satisfy sexual fansties or desires of the viewers (a lot of fetishes are popular). This include the guys too.

But here you can notice watching scenes how some of them show a great personality and self confidence like Brittany Bardot, Tina Kay, Angel Wicky..

The difference for me is respect them, i mean, they know what kind of thougths and opinios are around of women in the industry and is very hypocrit consum, pay for porn and have this kind of thought of them when they are persons, not objects.

[Starrio]

I don't think objectification isn't necessarily bad, as long as you remember the other person is human too. If you are smart you can understand that both concepts aren't mutually exclusive.

Only dumb people can't reconciliate both concepts at the same time in their heads, and it is because of those dumb people specifically that objectification can be bad.

[101mike101]

When we watching porn scenes do you think that we are changing our view of women and looking at them only as objects to satisfy our passion and not as complete personalities because porn scenes mostly show us parts of performers(ass, gape, pussy, etc)

I think people's attention and awareness is usually restricted to their current situation and the context they are in.

So, if you are driving a car for example, then you see everything from the point of view of a driver and how everything you see affects what you need to do as a driver. It's possible to daydream and see things from another point of view, such as when you see some hot lady walking on a sidewalk and showing her cleavage. But this is something to avoid, rather than go for. Because it distracts you from your driving, and it can lead to an accident.

It's the same thing with watching porn. When you watch porn, then you see female porn stars in the context of porn and sex, rather than something else. It's possible to imagine what these women are also like in their everyday life. But this is a distraction from your porn enjoyment, rather than something good.

But when you are in a different situation and a different context with women, such at work for example, then you see these women in that context, rather than in the context of porn and sex. This is how human attention and awareness normally works. So, there is no such thing as porn watching affecting how you see women in general.

But there is an exception in how you might see women, which is caused by your needs, rather than by porn. If you are sexually frustrated and you haven't been with a woman for a long time. Then your need for sex and intimacy might affect how you see attractive women in any and every context. You might see them in terms of your sexual desire for them, rather than in the current context and the situation you are in with them.

This probably does happen with a lot of guys. But the cause of this is unfulfilled sexual needs, rather than porn-watching.

[Pedrolito]

It is quite common that people get shocked by their own dreams. Often the dreams depict things you absolutely do not want to happen. It seems to be the brain's way of exploring taboo topics without acting on them. Some people become afraid that they would do the taboo things but normal sane people do not have to enact things they have dreamt about. When you are awake you are in control, at least if you are sober.

It is well known that women have rape fantasies despite it being the last thing they want to happen. In that case some do enact consensual non-consent. It is important to note that this is consensual. In some cases it is supposed to be the wish to do nasty things without having to take responsibility. I think it is the same with glory holes for men. To get a blow job without having to interact with another human being. I can understand this. It is a mountain to climb to learn to interact with another person while being driven by your primitive lust. However, when you master it emotionally and physically, it is rewarding beyond just primitive relief.

That is wisdom and mind knowledge at its best

[netzerkaiser]

I'll tell you what I think real problem is, for men.

You're happy, you've kept yourself in shape, you're regular guy, you're handsome... you don't even think about your penis, its fine, its there. EG I'm 5'7" or 5'8" I don't really know anymore (but not tall in Caucasian respect for sure), & you've 5.5 - 6 inch size & its never been anything you've ever thought about, its just there, like your feet or your hands. Its just there. And on your frame its respectable for sure.

Then you see these movies, & the whole objective seems to be the lady gasping at this monster in front of her that you simply cannot compete with. There are so many psychological benefits of pornography, but I find this a downside. Like you are a let down? No words can ever console that doubt there. You asked question I give honest answer.

[Rim8]

When we watching porn scenes do you think that we are changing our view of women and looking at them only as objects to satisfy our passion and not as complete personalities because porn scenes mostly show us parts of performers(ass, gape, pussy, etc)

Absolutely. From watching porn I feel that all women are insatiable sex objects and that every man is a more potent lover than I am in comparison. That's the brainwashing.

Right now its impossible for me to think that every woman doesn't want what happens in these videos and that most men can please a woman better than me. It's depressing.

[Rim8]

I'll tell you what I think real problem is, for men.

You're happy, you've kept yourself in shape, you're regular guy, you're handsome... you don't even think about your penis, its fine, its there. EG I'm 5'7" or 5'8" I don't really know anymore (but not tall in Caucasian respect for sure), & you've 5.5 - 6 inch size & its never been anything you've ever thought about, its just there, like your feet or your hands. Its just there. And on your frame its respectable for sure.

Then you see these movies, & the whole objective seems to be the lady gasping at this monster in front of her that you simply cannot compete with. There are so many psychological benefits of pornography, but I find this a downside. Like you are a let down? No words can ever console that doubt there. You asked question I give honest answer.

Completely agree.
In the subconscious is 'she really wants this', 'I'm not as' good' as this.

[Rim8]

I'll tell you what I think real problem is, for men.

You're happy, you've kept yourself in shape, you're regular guy, you're handsome... you don't even think about your penis, its fine, its there. EG I'm 5'7" or 5'8" I don't really know anymore (but not tall in Caucasian respect for sure), & you've 5.5 - 6 inch size & its never been anything you've ever thought about, its just there, like your feet or your hands. Its just there. And on your frame its respectable for sure.

Then you see these movies, & the whole objective seems to be the lady gasping at this monster in front of her that you simply cannot compete with. There are so many psychological benefits of pornography, but I find this a downside. Like you are a let down? No words can ever console that doubt there. You asked question I give honest answer.

Completely agree.
In the subconscious is 'she really wants this', 'I'm not as' good' as this.

And I think alot of it comes down to penis size.

The less porn star the penis size one thinks
Will she like it

The more porn start the penis size
I want her to see it

It's very damaging because it makes you feel in black and white
- I am good enough /or not good enough.

They say never to compare yourself with others for your own happiness, it's not possible with porn.

[Rim8]

I think most mature adults are capable of distinguishing fantasy from reality. See also violent videogames and explicit music and movies.

Those who fail to tell the difference should be reprimanded accordingly, but others shouldnt have to be punished for their BS.

Depends how much you watch it, what your mental state is like, how you see yourself in terms of esteem, masculinity etc.

I take your point about maturity but watching hard porn still taps into a sexual primal desire of which there is some pressure everywhere in society to enact (in a way that is acceptable, eg consensual).

The way I see it porn is like a drug. Sex is different to the violent films you mention I think, because its still socially acceptable to have the idea and desire of 'fucking her senseless' in the bedroom like they seem to in these movies.. its not socially acceptable to violently hurt others and so the line between fantasy and reality with violence for people I would agrue is more defined.

[magizi87]

I'll tell you what I think real problem is, for men.

You're happy, you've kept yourself in shape, you're regular guy, you're handsome... you don't even think about your penis, its fine, its there. EG I'm 5'7" or 5'8" I don't really know anymore (but not tall in Caucasian respect for sure), & you've 5.5 - 6 inch size & its never been anything you've ever thought about, its just there, like your feet or your hands. Its just there. And on your frame its respectable for sure.

Then you see these movies, & the whole objective seems to be the lady gasping at this monster in front of her that you simply cannot compete with. There are so many psychological benefits of pornography, but I find this a downside. Like you are a let down? No words can ever console that doubt there. You asked question I give honest answer.

There must be women, who think similar when comparing their breast size, waist, hip. etc. to other women.

The thing is, that we all like different things,
what this means, there are women who think,
you are the sexiest thing ever.

and men who think the same about any women in particular.

Giorgio uses a lot of men that look average and below average, lol
and they been at porn for years,
your feelings and thoughts about this are your own worst enemy.

[netzerkaiser]

@magizi87 & Rim8, thanks for great comments.

[netzerkaiser]

@magizi87 & Rim8, thanks for great comments.

What I neglected to remind myself is that my sporting activity has drastically declined in past 7 or 8 years & I've now got a belly & lost my figure. No wonder my physical self-esteem dropped. Having thought about all this, I realise only I can sort situation out. Thanks again for giving me wider perspective.

[netzerkaiser]

There must be women, who think similar when comparing their breast size, waist, hip. etc. to other women.

The thing is, that we all like different things,
what this means, there are women who think,
you are the sexiest thing ever.

and men who think the same about any women in particular.

Giorgio uses a lot of men that look average and below average, lol
and they been at porn for years,
your feelings and thoughts about this are your own worst enemy.

Again, what an enlightening post. And how selfish & narrow my vision. When I read it first this morning - I wasn't working today... & don't laugh but I put on my old speedos, brought a large mirror out into garden, & just looked at myself, & I realised, "You lazy bastard. You try to apologise for the belly you've put on, the loss of shape of your now flabby arse, & you excuse it all away by saying, 'well if I'd 12" pipe in middle it'd still look cool'. Nonsense. The answer is to sort myself out & get back in shape I once was, when I never worried about these things.

In fairness, since October, when I joined tennis & swimming pool, they've all been closed. But nonetheless, thanks Magizi87 for great wake-up call.

[magizi87]

Dude, I would never attempt to discourage your from working out
because it is the best thing ever, and it will always be the best thing ever...

buuuuuuuuuut,

If you wanna lose weight, let's say that's your number one priority right now,

working out, will never, ever, get rid of your belly fat.

you can run a marathon every week
for ten years
and you would still have a belly fat by end.

A marathon is 42 km, mind you, lol

It's very hard.

Moving on,

If you wanna lose weight, is super easy.

You just eat meat, fish, chicken, pork, eggs, cheese, salt and water,
until you're satisfied and then, don't eat anything else, until you're hungry again.

As week go by, you will notice that, eating 3 times a day is basically impossible, lol

You also prioritize your sleep, every day go to bed at the same time of day,
everyday includes but is not limited to, Friday and Saturday,
Sleeping is critical to fix your hormonal issues, that are the root cause
of your belly fat, that are originated by you excessive carb intake.

(The whole world is addicted to carbohydrates)

You will experience some issues at first, like insomnia for like 10 days,
some people experience fatigue, and other minor issues, they are temporary.

you can drink as much water as you like.

THAT IS IT.

If you are over weight, this is the healthiest thing you can do.