Pierre Woodman: "I am a bastard and break the will of girls"

[BlueShadow]

...or maybe they are not afraid to share opinion, they don't care or they simply not want open the pandora box where everyone eat... (so, maybe I can understand, if sometime someone break some ethic ''rule'' they don't see... maybe I have an advantage, since I'm not in this business, but I just ask myself questions out of curiosity... I don't have to lick ass to work, luckily.
I bet a lot goes on behind the scenes in this 'magical' world of porn LOL. It makes me laugh when they accuse each other, like if they were all 100% clean...
And of course I'm not referring to anyone in particular, just a generalist discourse... maybe without foundation, but who knows. But shadows are everywhere in all businesses, so.

[BlueShadow]

wait wait... all those lies about them where? Who used to criticize his way of working and is now the biggest collaborator? It's a fact (which I demonstrated with the screenshot).

Other lies where? It's just my curiosity, it's him who keeps saying that he spent 3 hours convincing girls to have sex and anal ... so he is indirectly confirming that Brillbabes and agents sends girls to an ''interview'' (knowing well what the real is goal ... and therefore hoping to make money) without letting them know and without giving information on the type of shooting and that a producer will try to put psychological pressure on a girl at her first experience on a porn set.


So there are ONLY 2 options:

1- It is true that BB and the agents send these newbies to a producer who shoots anal without informing them about what he will try to do, the type of shooting, the number of guys. etc. (same thing like Czechcasting?) some (according from what he write on his forum and for what the same agency say on the portfolio of the model, and also here there are fact which easily everyone can prove), they say explicitly they don't want to do B/G (imagine anal).

2- They are just stories and fictions of the '' character '' Woodman to sell to members.

In both cases...

I mean, I hope there are builded up stories by him for his ego. Really some greedy agency sends girls (debutantes) there without telling them they will have to do anal?

But I don't expect an answer, since he has already sidetracked the focus of the original speech, accusing of '' lies '' when mine were not statements ... but questions.
Perhaps making it more public would reveal a certain unprofessional and ethically dubious way of working for certain agents? Who knows.
So there, in those hotel rooms, there is ''anarchy''? I'm sure agency informed the girls also of that...

[robin_reid]

Several times I’ve heards complaints from spanish models (those who finally were smart and with personality and said no to anal) that went to him and according to the agency only for a paid interview but then this monster insisted and insisted into trying to get anal scene with all kind of bullshits and manipulative words. Very stressfull and unpleasant moments for the girls.

He always tries to break the will of girls, that’s said by himself.

[BlueShadow]

Bwhahahah, really there are people that send sms to him,about what we say here? Like good dogs Bwahahah, guys, please... so funny indeed

Instead of reply here, do they have no opinion on the matter? LOL No one has ever answered seriously on some topics of discussion. And my question here is pretty clear and logic.
They don't care. It's ok, but why do they inform about what is said here? LOL as if in this case I had said who knows what, not even attack to him, but I questioned the work of certain agencies and agents (referring to things that he himself says on his forum.)
If they don't want to discuss in a civil way what the meaning to do the dog of PW? I wonder who is more obsessed...


PS
in fact there is nothing to discuss, what he say on his forum is clear, agency send girl to a porn production that do anal, even if they say explicitly no B/G or anal (not much more different on what czechcasting did). And again, or it's true and agency can work in this way and make looks like if this is normal and professional, or he say stories for his members, there is not a third option here.

PPS
It's just pitiful that now the best partner is one of the agency that most of all condemned (on a public forum) his way of working. The money the money...
a lots of Mr. Coherent in this biz.


PPPS
Thus time use an e-mail or whatsapp,no one use sms nowadays.

[BlueShadow]

Several times I’ve heards complaints from spanish models (those who finally were smart and with personality and said no to anal) that went to him and according to the agency only for a paid interview but then this monster insisted and insisted into trying to get anal scene with all kind of bullshits and manipulative words. Very stressfull and unpleasant moments for the girls.

He always tries to break the will of girls, that’s said by himself.

I repeat, the problem is at the ''peak''. Without greedy agency, agent and shady deals he can do nothing. Fact.
A girl who needs money, inexperienced and who still does not understand how the biz works, is only the means to be exploited. The only reason they prefers new face and not a real adult model.
Whit this way of working imagine in USA...(agency send a girl for a paied interview (but in this case agency knows perfectly what is gonna happen, and thats that I found at least not ethical or professional toward new girls, that why I hope there are only stories of him to sell to his blind members), and she have to deal with a 3 hours talk of a producer that want to stick a dick in her ass LOL) and there is a reason he can't go no more there.
And again, there is a reason why now experienced adult model like Josephine Jackson (or even Anetta Keys, for sure more mature now) say they were young and stupid.

[dap-addict]

Look, I am not completely sure the agency doesnt instruct or at least inform the girls they send to him. They do it not for the girl however, but his other deals. What is so sickening is that its a simple power game of experienced vs. young and naive, money vs. poverty. And I guess those psycho games are more important for him than all the rest.
All decent ppl with access to these girls before they go to such payed dinner and interview can do, is warn them. But girl in need for money or looking for fame does a lot and later they regret and say they were stupid, but so what?!

[robin_reid]

He thinks that we are not happy with our lives because from time to time we expose him. There is a huge difference when models come to shoot for the AV studios we never talk to them about PW, we just work and goodbye, but when models come to shoot for him and specially if they are newcomers he always try manipulation, block them and talk bullshits about us, if they are not newcomer and already worked for us anyway he doesn't miss a chance to say to them some bullshit about us like that we use lidocaine or whatever. So who is the obsessed here??

[BlueShadow]

Look, I am not completely sure the agency doesnt instruct or at least inform the girls they send to him. They do it not for the girl however, but his other deals. What is so sickening is that its a simple power game of experienced vs. young and naive, money vs. poverty. And I guess those psycho games are more important for him than all the rest.
All decent ppl with access to these girls before they go to such payed dinner and interview can do, is warn them. But girl in need for money or looking for fame does a lot and later they regret and say they were stupid, but so what?!

it's just a simple deduction, if he says he spent hours convincing a girl, it means that the agency, the agent, the pimp, her father or whoever sent those girls there didn't tell her what that paid interview really was.


Imagine an agency send a girl to Brazzer without tell her nothing about the shoot. Go there and it's an anal scene, surprise! There are also other 3 guys, surprise surprise! LOL
Then the girls say no, but the ''professional'' producer close her in a room and talk to her for 3 hours for convincing her.
C'mon, only do I see that there is something wrong (weird?) on what he say on his propaganda forum? LOL Who know where start the truth and were the fiction.

[dap-addict]

Still possible agent tells the girl it was a simple interview with an option to go further and do up to anal for instance, no. Also agent could explain more to a non-rookie experienced model, maybe even warn her, but still sending her. Finally nobody will force the girls to go to these dinners and interviews, at least I do hope so, but girls dont want to skip such a chance with such a welknown porn producer. Core is lier APE's Private/Hustler time fame, not what he did since he's independent and actually switched the biz basically. Porn is only a side product of his activities, but girls dont know because he's famous for what he did 20 years ago.

[BlueShadow]

Hey look, he speaks about himself , typical narcissist..

[BlueShadow]

'is ALWAYS fine with the models.'
Well, I think the discussion might as well end here. XD
Maybe thats why he can't publish all the videos.



Talks about blood when in his videos it happens to see that too. In this pages there is the visual evidence.
Then 'always' fine, I'm sure ALL the girls were ok with swallowing dirty piss and and even shit.


Even the devil says. XD

What was that thing like... teaching others about hate incitation?

PW the hater of LP and 'italian stallion'.





PS
Just one last thing:

It's was just a try, it don't worked.
And?? The same thing he does systematically. For example try a DP and don't worked well, like with 'Mona Blue' the girl also says that she is not comfortable, but obviously the scene continues and gets published, (probably after that experience she will never even do it anal, loosing booking...) but at the end of the scene,of course, big smile.


Obviously for him,like always, it is enough to believe the words of a model if this allows him to speak bad of the competition, seems legit.
BTW if people are really interested to see a pussy destroyed to the blood (LOL sarcasm of course) that scene is not released yet. There is only a trailer, and at least from that he does nothing it hasn't already done in years. He fuck the girl hard. Obviously there is a difference in doing it with a hard cock compared to a limp one.



Here the girl after the scene, destroyed to the blood taken to hospital with a red code.
Big smile.



Same big smile of, for instance, Jospehine Jackson, that only after she said it was a bad experience with PW.
We are talking of NOTHING.

Bye to all Mr. Dramas out there. Enjoy.

[BlueShadow]

One last thing
I am always amazed to see how far the incoherence can go. LOL

The things an old man has to do to fuck an ass again.




His objectivity???
SUPERB work Julia (Grandi) do...like he said here I guess:



Same thing here, when he was hoping to fuck the ass of Romy Indy:
First she looks good on it:


and then was a CALAMITY to watch:


"Objectivity"...sure sure...tell me more...


Here other kind words:


...


Yes, superber work what Julia does...he say in front of Clea Gaultier of course.

Thats what happen when someone speak to much and can't control his narcissism. Hilarious.

[BlueShadow]

maybe "mr. I know everything" can explain how he knows that that image is of the "pussy only" part ... XD also because that scene has not yet been released.
That image (in the trailer) is the ending of the scene after the cumshot. If he made the anal attempt, it is done during not after finishing the scene, according to logic ...
Besides, what does "pussy only" mean? He also said "pussy bleeding" and that's all in these pages. So...

There is nothing whatsoever, he speaks only to hit a competitor, like a hater. If it had been the other way around he would have said are just the words of a girl, there is no proof. The girl at the end of the video is happy and smiles.
Change my mind ...

Think about his business. And the girls who deny what they did in those hotel rooms.

[Jack_Jackal43]

maybe "mr. I know everything" can explain how he knows that that image is of the "pussy only" part ... XD also because that scene has not yet been released.
That image (in the trailer) is the ending of the scene after the cumshot. If he made the anal attempt, it is done during not after finishing the scene, according to logic ...
Besides, what does "pussy only" mean? He also said "pussy bleeding" and that's all in these pages. So...

There is nothing whatsoever, he speaks only to hit a competitor, like a hater. If it had been the other way around he would have said are just the words of a girl, there is no proof. The girl at the end of the video is happy and smiles.
Change my mind ...

Think about his business. And the girls who deny what they did in those hotel rooms.

He really lives rent free in your head, doesn’t he? Stop talking about him and giving him the attention he craves. I wish admin would lock this thread.

[CanadianCouple]

I honestly don't understand why they don't just leave each other alone. Ignore one another and go about your porn business. I understand PW is mostly the instigator and a piece of absolute maggot shit; but what is the point in all this. There is no victory for anyone; just a bunch of people smearing one another.

Making porn and celebrating human sexuality and experiences should be fun.

[Iddaoeeok]

He really lives rent free in your head, doesn’t he? Stop talking about him and giving him the attention he craves. I wish admin would lock this thread.

The thread serves a useful purpose in that it keeps Blue Shadow from ruining model threads by posting all his Pierre material all over those, which is what was happening before. As it stands, this is basically a one man thread, as no-one else really contributes to it and I'm not sure if anyone actually reads it. I check it when it's updated to see if there's any interesting developments, not that I care that much but gossip can be entertaining, but I can't remember the last time I've read anything on here in any great detail. It's pretty much unreadable.

[BlueShadow]

He really lives rent free in your head, doesn’t he? Stop talking about him and giving him the attention he craves. I wish admin would lock this thread.

The thread serves a useful purpose in that it keeps Blue Shadow from ruining model threads by posting all his Pierre material all over those, which is what was happening before. As it stands, this is basically a one man thread, as no-one else really contributes to it and I'm not sure if anyone actually reads it. I check it when it's updated to see if there's any interesting developments, not that I care that much but gossip can be entertaining, but I can't remember the last time I've read anything on here in any great detail. It's pretty much unreadable.

Serves the purpose of the contradictory.
I don't like (I hope others too) propaganda without contradictory.


PS
Do not read, do not comment, at least this does you honor, instead of talking nonsense like others.
If it's unreadable and you're interested, tell me what's illegible and I'll explain it to you. XD
Otherwise it makes no sense to have commented here. For what? Saying to me that I can't speak about a person (or for better saying, the propaganda bullshit said), in a thread of that person? Oh, this made me laugh, thank you. C'mon guys...the logic...

[Iddaoeeok]

He really lives rent free in your head, doesn’t he? Stop talking about him and giving him the attention he craves. I wish admin would lock this thread.

The thread serves a useful purpose in that it keeps Blue Shadow from ruining model threads by posting all his Pierre material all over those, which is what was happening before. As it stands, this is basically a one man thread, as no-one else really contributes to it and I'm not sure if anyone actually reads it. I check it when it's updated to see if there's any interesting developments, not that I care that much but gossip can be entertaining, but I can't remember the last time I've read anything on here in any great detail. It's pretty much unreadable.

Serves the purpose of the contradictory.
I don't like (I hope others too) propaganda without contradictory.


PS
Do not read, do not comment, at least this does you honor, instead of talking nonsense like others.
If it's unreadable and you're interested, tell me what's illegible and I'll explain it to you. XD
Otherwise it makes no sense to have commented here. For what? Saying to me that I can't speak about a person (or for better saying, the propaganda bullshit said), in a thread of that person? Oh, this made me laugh, thank you. C'mon guys...the logic...

You're the only one that reads the propaganda because you're one of the few people on the entire planet that wastes their time looking at Woodman's forum. This thread is unreadable because there's too much of it, no-one can be bothered ploughing through page after page of screenshots and paragraph after paragraph of Woodman's shitty forum garbage. It's just the same old shit over and over again with minor variations: Woodman is never going to change, he will never get his comeuppance, nothing is ever going to happen to him, THE END. The thread was interesting when Ricardo was posting to it because he's an insider with interesting things to say, all you're doing is reporting back on stuff Woodman posts on his forum, and anyone could read Woodman's rubbish if they wanted, but who would want to? I'll give you credit for keeping all this stuff off the models' threads but I have no idea why you're doing any of this and I don't think anyone else does either.

[BlueShadow]

You won't believe it, but I agree with your opinion. The fact remains that it is nonsense to say don't talk about this dude in the dude's topic. Just this.

As if I go to Kristy Black's topic and tell a user who posts there to stop talking about Kristy Black. If you don't want to read, just ignore it. What is so annoying about what I've did in this case? Defend someone from accusations made without evidence? Because this is what I did, if you had read.
I'm talking about PW, in the PW topic, so what? I want to talk about the incoherences of a porn producer.

I do it in the model topic, it's not good, I do it here, I don't have to do it.
Ask the administrator to block the topic if it bothers you so much and can't resist not entering a topic that doesn't interest you LOL. I say this in nicely eh. Nothing against you, but it seems clear to me that you are mumbling about nothing.

[BlueShadow]

So, tell me in case next time I would like to talk about this topic where should I do it. And no, not talking about it is not an answer.

[BlueShadow]

You're the only one that reads the propaganda because you're one of the few people on the entire planet that wastes their time looking at Woodman's forum.

One last thing. I'm the one that read the propaganda, I'm the one that do contradictory, make sense.
And yes, you said right: MY time, not YOUR. Also this make sense.

Then block the topic. Because if I want to say something, I say it, regardless of what you think.
I don't go around, even though I disagree or find it uninteresting, telling others that they can't talk. Simple as shit.

[scarletxxx666]

maybe "mr. I know everything" can explain how he knows that that image is of the "pussy only" part ... XD also because that scene has not yet been released.
That image (in the trailer) is the ending of the scene after the cumshot. If he made the anal attempt, it is done during not after finishing the scene, according to logic ...
Besides, what does "pussy only" mean? He also said "pussy bleeding" and that's all in these pages. So...

There is nothing whatsoever, he speaks only to hit a competitor, like a hater. If it had been the other way around he would have said are just the words of a girl, there is no proof. The girl at the end of the video is happy and smiles.
Change my mind ...

Think about his business. And the girls who deny what they did in those hotel rooms.

He really lives rent free in your head, doesn’t he? Stop talking about him and giving him the attention he craves. I wish admin would lock this thread.

i personally dont understand all the hate he gets like it seems overwhelming hahahahahahahahahahahah
but i dont like suppression mate, i wish an admin would lock you
dont suppress peoples threads, let them hate pierro woodman all they want

[scarletxxx666]

Here the girl after the scene, destroyed to the blood taken to hospital with a red code.
Big smile.

she was taken to the hospital why????
what did he do to her????

[BlueShadow]

Why now he attack again out of nowhere Misha Cross? LOL
He never shut the fuck up...XD

She forgot to say in interviews that she started with him!! What a crime! Bwahahah And what a nacissistic clown. (like if change something where a girl start... hey Venera Maxima/Polina Maxim, why you don't say you started on LP? We are very offended LOL Now you do Tushy/Vixen, it's thanks to LP!! bwahahah Maybe AV/LP should use the same propaganda...

(and btw he is a producer or an agent? Usually build a name, find works it's the job of the agency not of a producer that think only to exploit a girl until he can and make money, usually...)
Sorry, but I cant stand this sickly shit.




PS
Yeah, I'm sure that unaware girl already prooved in few days she has a 'big heart'...
Always the same bulshit.





PPS
until she do all what granpa say.



PPPS
He speak about egocentrism...him...bwahahah

[BlueShadow]

Also Sara Bell, now you are in a big label like Tushy, say everywhere that you started on LP!!
I am almost sure that if Sara had done the first scene with him he would not have wasted time to take advantage of it and make the usual propaganda he has been offering for years.
Please...

[BlueShadow]

ahahah What? ME who accuse of having reduced a girl to blood without evidence?
It Is HE who accuses a competitor of having reduced a girl to blood without proof!
You can read, but maybe you don't understand ... (or maybe you use the same technique he uses. Try to overturn the reality of the facts)
It's you that "qui pète les plombs en face" my friend...

[Eloise]

What happened to that hospital girl exactly?

[netzerkaiser]

You're the only one that reads the propaganda because you're one of the few people on the entire planet that wastes their time looking at Woodman's forum.

One last thing. I'm the one that read the propaganda, I'm the one that do contradictory, make sense.
And yes, you said right: MY time, not YOUR. Also this make sense.

Then block the topic. Because if I want to say something, I say it, regardless of what you think.
I don't go around, even though I disagree or find it uninteresting, telling others that they can't talk. Simple as shit.

I think you're both being very civil & courteous & thats admirable to me. Two good guys, making different but equally valid points. Respect to Iddaoeeok & BlueShadow.

[BlueShadow]

an ordinary day in a propaganda forum:


So when she talks about Rocco (I assume in negative way?) he is telling the truth.
So when she says nice things about him she was lying? XD

Jokes apart:




Also interesting to see this comment (just to be in theme 'abusive behaviour')


So, mr. balou, what do you mean exactly? Why wouldn't this girl have time to say 'no wash it'? How do you judge this kind of hypothetical behavior of a director in your head? Just out of curiosity...
This propaganda of the: 'I'm the only good and just, the others are the devil' is hilarious.

[BlueShadow]

What happened to that hospital girl exactly?

he says that this director has reduced her pussy to blood, this is what she told her (according to him), all without evidence and is based only on what she says, but it's enough to say this on a public forum if it serves to hit a competitor he hates in this case...XD
even if he says that the proof is that the anal part is not in the scene, too bad that he also accuses of having reduced the pussy to blood too ... (all his words) but that part is there. The part where she smiles is the end of the scene, but he says it's before the anal part, which doesn't make sense since the cumshot takes place at the end of the scene. XD
As usual, just drama built on nothing and trying to change the facts.

At least I hope that he can make good ads for his shitty scene, clown can have advantages with stupid.
Without accusing others and talking about others it would be better. But it never will. Then he accuses others of being hater, when he is the first to sell hatred on that propaganda forum.

[Eloise]

So what is "pussy reduction" ?

[Bodum]

'is ALWAYS fine with the models.'
Well, I think the discussion might as well end here. XD
Maybe thats why he can't publish all the videos.



Talks about blood when in his videos it happens to see that too. In this pages there is the visual evidence.
Then 'always' fine, I'm sure ALL the girls were ok with swallowing dirty piss and and even shit.


Even the devil says. XD

What was that thing like... teaching others about hate incitation?

Dude who is that girl in the pic? She's so fucking cute

PW the hater of LP and 'italian stallion'.





PS
Just one last thing:

It's was just a try, it don't worked.
And?? The same thing he does systematically. For example try a DP and don't worked well, like with 'Mona Blue' the girl also says that she is not comfortable, but obviously the scene continues and gets published, (probably after that experience she will never even do it anal, loosing booking...) but at the end of the scene,of course, big smile.


Obviously for him,like always, it is enough to believe the words of a model if this allows him to speak bad of the competition, seems legit.
BTW if people are really interested to see a pussy destroyed to the blood (LOL sarcasm of course) that scene is not released yet. There is only a trailer, and at least from that he does nothing it hasn't already done in years. He fuck the girl hard. Obviously there is a difference in doing it with a hard cock compared to a limp one.



Here the girl after the scene, destroyed to the blood taken to hospital with a red code.
Big smile.



Same big smile of, for instance, Jospehine Jackson, that only after she said it was a bad experience with PW.
We are talking of NOTHING.

Bye to all Mr. Dramas out there. Enjoy.

[Bodum]

Who is this?

[pomegrante]

Nor sure if this has been posted before , Misha Cross talking about Woodman & her start in porn from July last year . Starts about 9-45 talking about making her anal exclusive & fan boys on his forum.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGwu7du-ESg&t=1288s

[BlueShadow]

Nor sure if this has been posted before , Misha Cross talking about Woodman & her start in porn from July last year . Starts about 9-45 talking about making her anal exclusive & fan boys on his forum.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sGwu7du-ESg&t=1288s

Well, nothing new. He always try to be manipulative with these new girls, he think they have to be grateful for everything, but this don't mean they have to be some kind of slave and follow order, always ready to blame things if they do as they want and not what he expect and hope (for his business advantage), anxiously behind the mantra: you made a promise, I helped you at the beginning, as if it were a burden, when he also gained from it.
He does nothing for free, all aimed at earning their trust (and the more inexperienced they are, the more he play with this position of power).
He needs to cannibalize on others and these models, because he wants to be the first, and have anal / dp or exclusive scenes before the others. Just that. Otherwise he is irrelevant.
Nothing to say regarding that forum, they behave just like good little dogs to their master. Thats why he can use that release politic, and unfinsihed scene for years and years. He laugh behind their back. Probably would have done the same too.




And now a serious thing: I give a news, a model can have success even without starting in his production. XD

Agency send you there only for the money.
Girls, is not necessary to get fucked in the ass in a hotel room and get his dirty piss in the mouth for build your name (whatever he say to you XD ), trust me. LOL

[BlueShadow]

Bwhahah, yes, maybe she wanted a Gucci bag...

[BlueShadow]

When Misha Cross says that after he learned that she did a lot of scenes in the USA he started babbling and getting angry with her, I'm sorry, but I believe her, he has already prooved this behavior with Ginebra Bellucci, and other girls (which according to him they owes him something) who simply decide to work for others in anal (since, until proven otherwise, they don't have a regular exclusive contract with him (maybe some shady deal with some agency? We are talking about a professional producer, didn't?...) and don't follow his '' rules ''.

[scarletxxx666]

did pierre woodman stole ur gf or something

[BlueShadow]

did pierre woodman stole ur gf or something

Why, is there a law that says I can only express my opinion if something has been done to me?

[BlueShadow]

Always talk too much. XD
It is no wonder then that people come to their own conclusions reading between the line.



So it has also happened to ask girls sexual favors in exchange for support in the business or other things? (Obviously with the will of the girls that accept this kind of ''deal'', just to be clear, then for the moral and professional question it is another matter...)


And here a confirmation of the sneaky behaviour of this producer.


How people can trust him is out of my understanding, but ok...

I admire the fact that he doesn't mind saying it, he has to be very protected by these agencies or whatever.