davebowman wrote:Personally I think the average female beauty standard has gone up considerably in recent years. When I look at the amount of stunningly hot 18(ish) year olds wandering around it's pretty gobsmacking. However, I'm not sure how much this has to do with 'natural' beauty, or just general trends in make-up, hair styling, and the general fitness levels expected in today's social media-obsessed competitive world (plus of course, plastic surgery). Once you scrape the makeup off and see what's underneath, who knows?
Obviously, if we are talking online images, then a lot of them will have some level of photo fakery cleaning them up - but even back before lockdown you could see hundreds of hot girls wandering around town on an average night out with bodies and faces which are far in advance of the average professional model from 30-40 years ago. The downside of this, is that a lot of these people are both very vain, and insecure about their looks, and obsess about them constantly. I know girls who literally can't get into a lift without looking in the mirror and posing for 10 selfies, but just as a male observer it's a good thing.
Iddaoeeok wrote:The question doesn't really require an answer because it's not the point of the thread, which is to act as a platform for the poster to give us his romanticized notions of racial purity and posit some imaginary unbroken link back to a world of Neolithic hotties when men were men and women had great cheekbones. Interracial people tend to be pretty good looking, for what it's worth - and that is not a cue for endless pictures of ugly interracial people, by the way.
netzerkaiser wrote:Iddaoeeok wrote:The question doesn't really require an answer because it's not the point of the thread, which is to act as a platform for the poster to give us his romanticized notions of racial purity and posit some imaginary unbroken link back to a world of Neolithic hotties when men were men and women had great cheekbones. Interracial people tend to be pretty good looking, for what it's worth - and that is not a cue for endless pictures of ugly interracial people, by the way.
I know what you're saying, Iddaoeeok, I get your point, & I accept it. But I still think theres an awful lot in what I say. And its like the unspeakable beauty of the 100's of individual languages, & how one day there may well be about just 3 or 4 - all infinitely more basic, & we'll be told thats progress.
Again racially, I accept the charge that what I say has a Euro-centric ring. But I'd feel the same if it were say the beautiful 'Pakistani' or 'Nigerian' races under threat, believe me. The fact is they're not.
These unspeakably beautiful characteristics I allude to, invoke poetry, great visions that invoke great artistic endeavours, have always done so. Its an opinion, thats all, & I respect your answer.
YumYum74 wrote:It’s a pointless question imo. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. What’s beautiful for one person, is average for the next and vice versa.
davebowman wrote:Leaving aside the racial/genetics discussion, the bottom-line still is that you can go to somewhere like Tushy and see a whole parade of girls who a few years ago would have been considered 'too beautiful for porn' taking it up the old poop canal. That alone tells me that general beauty standards have risen. A girl that would have had Maryln Monroe-like impact at the time, is now just kinda average.
number1s wrote:You see, I would say exactly the opposite. The porn stars of yesteryear looked far more natural whereas today’s look more.....well, plastic. I don’t see it as an improvement.
101mike101 wrote:Porn-stars were doing lots of plastic surgery in the past too.
Iddaoeeok wrote:101mike101 wrote:Porn-stars were doing lots of plastic surgery in the past too.
The best ones looking weren't, which was the point of the guy's post - that and there was less plastic surgery going on, so whether it's better now is irrelevant to his argument.
I have a particular dislike for facial cosmetic surgery which, in my opinion, has never once made any model look better than she did before. I've noticed there's some sort of circle being closed whereby surgical procedures used by transexuals to look more like women are being used by women who, as a result, are beginning to resemble transexuals. I won't mention any names of specific models in case they happen to read this.
Iddaoeeok wrote:I don't know if there are more women doing porn now or not, it's hard to tell. One thing I do know is that there are some countries that supplied lots of good looking models in the past which hardly seem to produce any now - I'm thinking specifically of Hungary here, but also possibly Romania.
Iddaoeeok wrote:I don't know if there are more women doing porn now or not, it's hard to tell. One thing I do know is that there are some countries that supplied lots of good looking models in the past which hardly seem to produce any now - I'm thinking specifically of Hungary here, but also possibly Romania.
netzerkaiser wrote:avanfurwet wrote:My 2c.
1. Someone who thinks the models on Tushy today would have been considered too pretty for porn in the past, could treat themselves by watching some of the many classic beauties who made porn in the past.
I didn't say that Avanfurwet. But apart from the Czech explosion with LP 2014-2016, it applies to Czech, Hungary, Russia that the amount of beauties entering porn decreases as a combination of loss of anonomyty / rise of living standards occurs. But USA which I directly stated has as many beauties coming into industry now as it ever did, which bucks the European trend. We might need finetune this further, I'm not sure.
netzerkaiser wrote:avanfurwet wrote:My 2c.
1. Someone who thinks the models on Tushy today would have been considered too pretty for porn in the past, could treat themselves by watching some of the many classic beauties who made porn in the past.
I didn't say that Avanfurwet. But apart from the Czech explosion with LP 2014-2016, it applies to Czech, Hungary, Russia that the amount of beauties entering porn decreases as a combination of loss of anonomyty / rise of living standards occurs. But USA which I directly stated has as many beauties coming into industry now as it ever did, which bucks the European trend. We might need finetune this further, I'm not sure.
netzerkaiser wrote:@Avanfurwet: genuine apology here to you, I thought you'd misconstrued my own point. Sorry about picking bone on that.
sarthakmoftu wrote:Overly simplistic but maybe before cameras and storage were so prevalent, people only took photos of the truly beautiful people? A picture today is worthless almost, can't say the same thing 30, 40 years ago.
jackthetreacleeater wrote:Iddaoeeok wrote:I don't know if there are more women doing porn now or not, it's hard to tell. One thing I do know is that there are some countries that supplied lots of good looking models in the past which hardly seem to produce any now - I'm thinking specifically of Hungary here, but also possibly Romania.
Yeah, Hungarian and Romanian pornstars were some of the best, now they are few and far between.
avanfurwet wrote:sarthakmoftu wrote:Overly simplistic but maybe before cameras and storage were so prevalent, people only took photos of the truly beautiful people? A picture today is worthless almost, can't say the same thing 30, 40 years ago.
Interesting logic.
But, also ...
1. Rich people have always had family portraits done, also wedding, graduation etc. pictures, regardless of how ugly they are.
2. News and documentary photojournalists have always made images that capture the story, whoever happens to be in it.
3. Amateur photographers have always made images of whatever interested them, often just random people around them.
Same applies to painting and drawing in previous eras before photography.
Iddaoeeok wrote:As a counterbalance to that, take a look at photographs of almost any footballer pre 1960s and guys in their 20s look about 40.
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