Avoiding painful anal: Set performance tutorial for LP girls

[dap-addict]

6th cgDAP position take for Silvia Soprano already and she still struggles with position basics, even with her legs.
Makes me think they should have invested a few minutes maybe to show the rookie around a bit first.
Its not even DAP specific, but general porn sex knowledge.

(GIO1580)
https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/153887

[dap-addict]

Just a nice example for mutual position understanding, ie. girl knows what to do.

Anti-example to this:
Chanel Kiss and her studs crew can't really perform both basic DAP positions still despite NF064 being her 4th DAP already! In cgDAP Larry Steel as anchor presses her down on his belly for not much of a reason, expect him feeling she's struggling. It makes an interesting cgDAP position (see gif!), but can't be easy for her like that.

(NF064: https://pornbox.com/…593)
Why press Chanels shoulder down when she should actually arch her back for easiest DAP entry?

[dap-addict]

Much better is the last cgDAP take on Chanel by Brian Ragnastone, with Larry Steel doing a much better anchor job and uninvolved studs helping her to assume a pretty good working position:
(NF064)

[muffmanx]

To be frank, I would love to see more scenes with extended foreplay with toys, to loosen up the tense and nervous muscles sort of speak lol. Some of my fav scenes are Isabella Clark's GIO065 and Arwen Gold's GIO129. Pretty hot to watch them work their way up the monster toys before penetrated by the real things.

[dap-addict]

Now some really basic of basics: Compare this sofa with the sofa above!
Any difference visible?
Here is a Columbian shot DAPbreakin' and how to make it more difficult than needed for the girl. She's only 19yo and she's a trooper indeed, but...

NT070: https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/215310

[dap-addict]

One more basic is helping the girl carrying her legs in rcDAP: Position asks for help because its too heavy for girl to do all the position work herself during such a demanding act like DAP. Here its done nicely by a team of pros, but Carlos has to remind otherwise absorbed Dylan with a short keyword. He knows of course immediately what support action is required.
NF080: https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/215476
Btw, also some caressing helps girl to muster DAP, just a nice little attention.

[dap-addict]

Chanel Kiss and her studs crew can't really perform both basic DAP positions still despite NF064 (...) Why press Chanels shoulder down when she should actually arch her back for easiest DAP entry?

Well problem is girl actually better is keeping her torso low and very close to her anchor, while still arching her back and put her ass up a bit. Sounds easy but is difficult for girls in first few DAP shots usually. Reflex of most of them is to flee cocks because initially it almost always hurts, to ease pain they have to find right position though, which is not vertical but horizontal for most of them.

Here that struggle for the right cgdap position with Ava Harris in her 1st DAP:
GIF starts at the point cgdap position really hurts, George Lee from this point again tries to get her more into vertical position again by pressing her lower back down and thus also getting her ass up a bit for a better DAP entry angel. But Ava is resisting in reflex.
Its her 3rd ever porn scene only, thus she can't know all position tricks yet.
GIO1747: https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/215645

[dap-addict]

Even an experienced daggie of 25+ DAP scenes and seasoned porn actress like Cindy Shine for cgDAP position needs help of her upper fucker to get into position right, to really arch her back and get her bum up for a better entry angle. This all btw is also helped by position of her right arm. Gig shows start of Tony's 1st entry:
GIO1784: https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/215685

[dap-addict]

Now much much easier for most girls than cgDAP is rcDAP actually.
In reverse cowgirl if they manage to sit fine on their anchor cock they usually can relax and concentrate on upper dapper stud.

There are sometimes still problems to reach a good sitting position ofc, but finding it is not painful at all usually. Here an example of such a search for the right rcDAP sitting by Barbie Esm in her first GIO studio DAP workout:
GL412: https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/215686

[dap-addict]

6th cgDAP position take for Silvia Soprano already and she still struggles with position basics, even with her legs.
Makes me think they should have invested a few minutes maybe to show the rookie around a bit first.
Its not even DAP specific, but general porn sex knowledge.

(GIO1580)
https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/153887

Its not as easy apparently.
Silvia Soprano needed 4-5 DAP shots to move with ease and proficiency into cgDAP rather meanwhile. But she actually told me in a still unpublished interview bending her back the right way was still difficult and she hoped it would get better soon. She's at 7 DAPs meanwhile, counting the 2-parter with Anna de Ville as 1 DAP since its usually shot at one after another the same day.

Let me fellow her cgDAP path a bit more closely...
Concentrated on her initial cgDAP takes since those are the crucial ones usually. Director can make it easier for a girl by giving her Thomas Lee or another smaller cock first and than accelerate later. Often @ GIO it is done that way.

Here is 2nd cgDAP take in her second DAP ever - Yves is aching, Tony upper stud. And it works much better than cowgirl in her DAPbreakin' scene:
GIO1583: https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/155781

[bustylady]

Avoid anal sex, so there will be no pain

[dap-addict]

edit: Yves is anchoring in cgDAP, Tony as upper presses her back down in right position.

Now 3rd cgDAP is troublesome and painful for Silvia Soprano again:
Michael Fly is anchoring, Angelo Godshack takes the main role, 1st cgDAP take.
GIO1588: https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/156146

[dap-addict]

4th cgDAP is during Silvia Sopranos first multiple girl scene.
Rebecca Sharon is at around 30 DAPs and has no problem at all of course. Silvia Soprano goes into a cowgirl position for rather advanced girls, but it works for her. Shows her anal talent, but isn't sustainable on a longer run, ie. over 1-2min. Scene shows that she's still looking for the right way to cgdap.

2nd cgDAP take with Tiny Tom as upper stud:



Btw, to compare: Rebecca Sharon gets into cgDAP easily after 1st breakin' pain:
GIO1682: https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/214428

Btw, this one was actually shoot 2-3 days before the 2on1 with Godshack/Fly @ GIO.

[dap-addict]

5th cgDAP is a 3BBC with Yves anchoring Silvia and Tony and Oscar Batty taking turns.
Now Tony begins and here we have a cut/edit, which only makes the initial cgDAP-ing look good, but obviously wasnt. Now what counts in porn is the show ofc, left out footage hasn't really to interest the fan. Still since this is a tutorial lets have a closer look to 2nd cgDAP take with Oscar Batty: Here Silvia Soprano comes already close to Rebecca Sharon just above. Initial DAP entry is way bit painful, but very soon she eases herself into a pretty lustful thing. Nice footage!
GIO1690: https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/214767

Btw, this like 4on1 above scene was shot during Silvias 2nd GIO Prague work session.

[dap-addict]

6th and 7th cgDAP is the already mentioned 2on2/6on2 with Anna de Ville, currently the Worlds biggest anal porn talent probably, one of the very BIG anal girls in porn history since 1976 and thus Bridgette Maiers first ever DAP.

Silvia Soprano gets better and better into cgDAP positions here:
part 1, 1st cgDAP take, initial entry still a bit painful but later she's doing it with good DAPlust. Tony anchoring this time, John Price does the main job helping her get into right position.
GIO1685: https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/215016


part 2, filmed after a short break the same day: 1st take with Tiny Tom and nopro at all:
GIO1686: https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/215037


Not easy to compare with Anna de Ville, who even performs a very rushed 1st cgDAP without the slightest problem. But be aware that Anna is here at around 70 DAPs already and Silvia just at 7.
GIO1686: https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/215037

Btw, please pay also attention to Silvia Sorano's feet - as this is a seldom threat!

[dap-addict]

edit:

Tony anchoring this time, John Price does the main job...

Its the other way round ofc.


Now lets go to the 8th cgDAP workout for Silvia Soprano, so far the last DAP published in her first ever GIO TP shot early 2021: This one is the best!
Tony anchors her and upper job is done by Neeo and Silvia has no problem ast all!
GIO1728: https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/215212

[scarletxxx666]

pain makes it prettier

[dap-addict]

Hey, you both make a strange impact on a lot of threads lately!
One extremely non-social the other the other way round. Good questions sure bl, but also for a porn forum? And why always so cold and uncompassionate, sx666?

pain makes it prettier

Avoid anal sex, so there will be no pain

Anyway, no sex no pain no babies no planet destruction and no pain no no no porn blabla.

[dap-addict]

Back to the latest subject, i.e. Silvia Soprano's way to an anal lust-friendly cgDAP position:

6th and 7th cgDAP is the already mentioned 2on2/6on2 with Anna de Ville, (...) GIO1685 (...) GIO1686:
part 2, filmed after a short break the same day: 1st take with Tiny Tom and nopro at all:
GIO1686: https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/215037

part 2, GIO1686, works very fine in the well prepared 1st cgDAP take with Tiny Tom as upper stud, but later DAP train deteriorates as it gets more and more hushed. Worst is 4th take by George Lee, who is often a pleasurable chap to work with for the girls. Maybe not him to blame but also Silvia visibly already pretty tired at the end of pt. 2. Must have been 4-5 so shooting hours.
GIO1686: https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/215037

[Starrio]

Pain is just part of sex. A lot of women have a fetish that a little bit of pain can be delicious.

That's literally the definition of S&M and anal gangbangs obviously fall under that category.

However that usually goes for their personal lives, for work they probably would want to avoid pain, unless they also consider their job a pleasure.

But this is not always the case, some women are on this for the money, not for pleasure, so they probably would want to avoid pain.

To me both situations are sexy, a women that enjoys a bit of pain and do it for pleasure, and a woman that do it just for the money. The later is hard to see, but I know my reasons.

[davebowman]

This thread makes me wonder, do we need a tutorial for the opposite: girls who can take anal so easily it looks like they barely feel it?

[dap-addict]

This thread makes me wonder, do we need a tutorial for the opposite: girls who can take anal so easily it looks like they barely feel it?

Dave, seems you got my OP intention wrong or maybe I didnt phrase it clear enough.
Its not about erasing pain altogether, anal sex especially at the very insertion always has that element of pain. Its about turing it into pleasure later by choosing the right position and angle of anal entry for fucking. Look again at those 8-10 Silvia Soprano cgDAP gifs I just posted. She gets better and better, but of course that very initial pain stays.

The opposite of girls barely feeling it you find mainly with girls fizzed out, not a practice I'd feel like advocating of highlighting here. It happens rarely anyway. But feel free to post such a gif if you really find one on LP/AV core studios.

[Starrio]

I apologize for interrupting but you still miss the point that some pain can be pleasurable for women too, it's a mental thing, like a fetish, but I already explained why that may not apply on a working situation.

[dap-addict]

Pain is just part of sex. A lot of women have a fetish that a little bit of pain can be delicious.
(...)
But this is not always the case, some women are on this for the money, not for pleasure, so they probably would want to avoid pain.

Did you watch those gifs?
Did it look like the worst position faults were pleasurable for the girl(s)?

Obviously, we are talking about a work situation here!
Whatever the motivation for the girl doing those sex acts on a porn set - not talking about a private situation! - is is always also work. Also it seems to me you have a very naive POV about porn shots. Because on set girls go through a set of positions that have to look good for the camera, and if they happen to give pleasure that's only a side effect.

Above studied Silvia Soprano for instance gets real orgasms on porn set, rarely but she does, most she did in a 1on1 anal, not a DAP or DP or TP. Discussed above are the more complicated double dick positions.

[Starrio]

Also it seems to me you have a very naive POV about porn shots. Because on set girls go through a set of positions that have to look good for the camera, and if they happen to give pleasure that's only a side effect.

How is that different to anything I said? I am a photographer so I know what uncomfortable positions are for girls, and those are usually the best ones on camera.

Some women love them, some don't, it really comes down to the girl, and how she is feeling that day.

I don't think you realize how important this is. There is nothing the director can do to make a girl feel better about a position, whether the position is challenging or not.

If she feels like crap, she feels like crap regardless of the position, and if she feels good, she feels good even in the most difficult situations.

Also some girls are more professional than others and endure difficulties much better than those that aren't familiar with the challenges of the work.

Changing the angle of a position to ease things for her can actually kill the mood, it can work against what you are trying to do, and if an angle needs to be changed only she knows what angle is that because everyone is different. She will find it, automatically.

The best you can do is give her options, but it is not guaranteed until she tries it.

The most important thing for you to know is that assuming expertise on something you don't know about is a problem because you can harm the girl trying to give her pointers.

Her body is the only one saying the truth of what's better for her. Just because one day it may respond favorable to an angle, it doesn't mean it will be the same next day, or with a different girl.

As a director the balance is achieved by telling her exactly what you want and she finding out how can she accomodate the best to that situation. In some situations both need to compromise, in others it is not necessary, and you get exactly what you are trying to do.

[dap-addict]

Changing the angle of a position to ease things for her can actually kill the mood, it can work against what you are trying to do, and if an angle needs to be changed only she knows what angle is that because everyone is different. She will find it, automatically.

Very good and important post, thank you starrio.
I realize I supposed a too superficial view when you mentioned pleasure vs. work.
Anyway, you are right in essence and it might also change each day with the same girl, but still there is a set of basic tricks and position angels usually working. And no serious pornographer would consider not shooting cowgirl DAP because many girls have difficulties in performing it. As you say its upon the girls to find there right position within the set position, and its studs role to make sure the girl feels best possible and it still looks good for camera.

Btw, in my next LP porngirl interview I talk with Silvia Soprano about this detail. Might be interesting for you and some more of us, also some directors ideally.

[Starrio]

Very good and important post, thank you starrio.
I realize I supposed a too superficial view when you mentioned pleasure vs. work.
Anyway, you are right in essence and it might also change each day with the same girl, but still there is a set of basic tricks and position angels usually working. And no serious pornographer would consider not shooting cowgirl DAP because many girls have difficulties in performing it. As you say its upon the girls to find there right position within the set position, and its studs role to make sure the girl feels best possible and it still looks good for camera.

Btw, in my next LP porngirl interview I talk with Silvia Soprano about this detail. Might be interesting for you and some more of us, also some directors ideally.

There is nothing really general about positions. It really comes down to the girl, what she has trained to do, and what her body is telling her that day.

If a girl is not used to certain positions in her mind she will see these positions as harder, but for other girls it may be nothing. These is why these are things you can never generalize because what's easy for one girl may hurt another.

This is why it is important to not claim expertise on what you don't know because you may be doing some unnecessary damage there.

It is true that some positions are more common, and girls are more used to those, but that's only because they practice them more, you can't ask a new girl to do what Siswet does all of the sudden, and you also cannot expect that just because a position is common that it will be easy all the time.

Experience helps because for what they already tried they are better prepared mentally, and psychologically too, not just physical because mind also plays a role. How tense the girl is also plays a role.

Some positions present a mental challenge too, not just physical, and only once the girl has the mental confidence to know she can overcome that initial threshold she can be mentally at ease for performing it. Otherwise she could easily believe it is impossible even when is still within reach, or vice versa.

This is why mental anchors always play a role because minds can easily attach meaning and significance to arbitrary results based on previous experiences, and those you can never generalize either.

[dap-addict]

There is nothing really general about positions. It really comes down to the girl, what she has trained to do, and what her body is telling her that day.

Yep, sure. But if you watch a lot of DAP than exactly the basic cowgirl position is the one causing most trouble to a majority of girls with an experience below lets say out 10 DAP scenes. So while avoiding to generalize, there is still this position with is the most tricky one for most girls getting into DAP. In one of the biggest Russian porn studios girl even shared amongst each other that DAP was no problem basically, but for this 1 position.

[Starrio]

Yep, sure. But if you watch a lot of DAP than exactly the basic cowgirl position is the one causing most trouble to a majority of girls with an experience below lets say out 10 DAP scenes. So while avoiding to generalize, there is still this position with is the most tricky one for most girls getting into DAP. In one of the biggest Russian porn studios girl even shared amongst each other that DAP was no problem basically, but for this 1 position.

The less cowgirl the better because if cowgirl was a song it would definitely beat despacito and señorita in terms of numbers, so if that's the position a certain girl is having trouble on a certain occasion and she wants to avoid it, that's fine with me. More time for other balls deep positions is always a good thing.

[scarletxxx666]

painful anal is prettier

[scarletxxx666]

Hey, you both make a strange impact on a lot of threads lately!
One extremely non-social the other the other way round. Good questions sure bl, but also for a porn forum? And why always so cold and uncompassionate, sx666?

pain makes it prettier

Avoid anal sex, so there will be no pain

Anyway, no sex no pain no babies no planet destruction and no pain no no no porn blabla.

i have to be mean otherwise i feel bad ;-; ;-; ;-; ;-;
when im nice i feel so bad and weak and with terrible regrets
and when im mean i feel so high
also im a ladyboy and i like pain so, i dont like pleasure and i hate orgasms, when it hurts is so cool, i think femenine creatures shouldnt enjoy it and have orgasms only rejoice in pain
ive been doing orgasms abstinence since i was 12
i think women or ladyboys shouldnt enjoy it and only rejoice in suffering

[dap-addict]

Just dont get it. But I think we dont have to discuss it further. You feel like you feel, just please allow us to discuss what OP subject is about.

[dap-addict]

Btw, Silvia Soprano meanwhile sent me some more explanations about her so far shot 9 cgDAP positions and what works best for her and why. Original interview question was this one:

Q07: Watching your DAPs I realized you still have problems sometimes in cowgirl DAP position: What makes that position so difficult for most porn girls? Which DAP position works best for you?
Silvia Soprano: Yes, it's true that I often have difficulties in cowgirl DAP position. I think it is because I have to arch my back to assume a more harmonious and more nice-looking posture and I automatically get very stiff. But I am sure that with time I will improve.
If I can stabilize myself with a comfortable position in reverse cowgirl DAP I can relax and I don't have any problems.
Above all I can give the best of myself when I have my mind emptied of all thoughts, in some periods it is not easy, but I have always had the ability to neutralize all the negative thoughts that I may have in that day.

Complete Interview is here: viewtopic.php?f=104&t=27528&start=160#p451621

These are her additional explanations:
Please note: Its very seldom that porn girls go so much in-depth about their on-set performances when talking with their fan(s)!
AddQ01a) Is that cgDAP position with arched back done only for camera to look good?
Silvia Soprano: Yes, of course arching your back accentuates your ass a lot more.

AddQ01b)
So for the girl it would be easier to perform cgDAP in another way?
Silvia Soprano: In my opinion this is true for all positions, that it would be easier to perform in other way than they want it in porn for the camera. I mean when you fuck at home and no one sees you, you don't pay attention to anything, you just let yourself go completely. But when you are in front of a camera you have to try to take good positions and keep them all the time, and often you have to look at the camera, so being with your neck turned doesn't make you take a comfortable position that you would repeat in private at home.

AddQ01c)
Is your progress in arched back cgDAP due to your high pain tolerance? Or why else you state that you are improving with cgDAP?
Silvia Soprano: I've never used anaesthetic creams. It's normal that at the beginning the muscle isn't used to it and it's not elastic yet, slowly it will simply open up more, even if I never use big toys to prepare myself before the scenes or at home.

AddQ02)
Why is your favorite DAP position reverse cowgirl DAP (rcDAP)?
Silvia Soprano: First of all because I like to lie practically dead weight on a man, I like to feel his body against mine. And then because lying down I just feel better.

Classical ached back in cgDAP for esthetic reasons. (GIO1728)

GIO1728: https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/215212

Laying on Michael Fly to welcome the 2nd dick for DAP. (GIO1588)

GIO1588: https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/156147


Hey, Silvia dear, again just thanks a lot for all your answers for all true DAP fans!

[dap-addict]

Avoiding strains, director has to guide studs: Dylan's battle here with Didi Zeratis right leg during her 1st rcdap insertion is just a point of unneeded distraction, an additional difficulty to DAP itself easily avoidable. I mean rcDAP Position could sure been prepared much better, the more as its clear 3rd stud has to help and fix the girl anchored by Mr. Longwood, since he can stabilize her lower parts only.
(sz2758 - https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/220147)

[dap-addict]

This said intelligently applied distraction can also help the girl to mentally relax ofc and take it just easier. Here we have Jennifer Mendez 2nd DAP after 2 full years without such a demanding porn performance. 1st DAP take with Tiny Tom went well, but Neoo has a much bigger tool. Crew takes care to distract her with a foot fuck and some tit grabs. Works out pretty well for Jennifer!
https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/136695

[dap-addict]

But than there is sadly also less intelligent distraction by less supportive studs crew resulting in wrong positioning and a more painful 1st DAP experience for Nela Decker here:

First we have a very typical cgDAP insertion reaction with a lot of girls: Nela hunches her back in reaction of upper stud digging a bit deeper than her comfort zone.


Now instead of pressing her back down right cgDAP position, studs start to fumble on her pink top! This sort of distraction leads to Nela hunching her back even more.
This DAPbreakin' scene: https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/61817

[dap-addict]

Just had a closer look at Angel Sky's DAPbreakin' scene @ AGO shot in NHB incl. DVP and DP:
https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/95836

Anchoring Lou tries to get Angel Sky in a smoother anal entry position in rcDAP.
Its quite a rare maneuver and it doenst help her much, but shows that a good, attentive anchor can always try to make it easier still.

[dap-addict]

Btw, Lou is answering this Angel Sky rcDAPinsertion rear-up tendency Fly anchoring in her next DAP scene doenst counter.
This scene: https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/169138

[Grrrka]

avoid it entirely and just fuck pussy.

[Seraph0257]

cgDAP. Terminology. Need an explanation of the different terms.