Zee Twins (18 y/o from Czech Republic)

[marc_lewer1989]

I feel the intensity of the fucking is low and soft rather than maybe more the manhandle style...no disrespect intended at all by the way just an opinion

[hjohjole]

This is the first scene i buy from N&F studio, i just had to see the Zee twins together again. Unfortunately the scene turned out to be disappointing and i regret spending the 8 tickets.

The main idea of the scene is to have one girl get DP and the other DAP next to each other. We have already seen many times Gonzo studio doing a similar concept with parallel DPs and Giorgio doing scenes with parallel DAPs.
And the problem is that this just doesn't work very well. It is not very exciting. There is no added benefit of having two acrobatic acts like this going on at the same time. It is just messy and distracting.

You are better off just shooting two separate scenes. That way you get better action and more focus for each girl.

I will put here a picture of what i consider to be the worst part of the scene. And it really highlights the problem im talking about.

Just look at this mess. We have all the men (that we dont want to see) in the foreground and then the girls (that we do want to see) in the background.
Maybe it would be easier to actually see the girls if the background wasn't so dark and blurry.

The men are all trying desperately to squeeze them self in to the shot and then squeeze them self in to their respective hole. The result is that they can hardly fuck properly and we see a slow grinding DP on the left and a slow grinding DAP on the right. And this is at a point in the scene when we have already seen parallel DP/DAP being performed in multiple different ways. So it is not only super messy it is also becoming repetitive.



Why not change it up with something different? I post here a gif i posted in another thread as an example.



No DP or DAP but 10 times more exciting. We have all the focus on the girls, proper ass fucking and on top of that some nasty ATM.
Some ATM between the girls would be even more exciting with twin sisters. Why do we almost never see that here on LP?



The one good thing about the scene are the Zee twins themselves. They are just adorable and sexy as fuck.
Unfortunately this is not enough to save the scene.

[filthyk9pissslut]

"London bridge is falling down, falling down..." I could've given you one important suggestion, but, looks like you don't take opinions from us 'loud mouth minority'. I'll share it if you ask...

[grey00owl]

This is the first scene i buy from N&F studio, i just had to see the Zee twins together again. Unfortunately the scene turned out to be disappointing and i regret spending the 8 tickets. [...]

This is exactly my impression and opinion, hjohjole. Such a pity not to get the best result from such an opportunity.

[FloraneRussell]

maby is time stop shooting Sisters together, bcause u cant accept one girl no shoot DAp and u want just dap and like that.

u have 2 options. Accept girls or no buy scene easy.

i realy love how everyone know how shooting and never haved camera in hands

Guys comon, Girls are peoples, maby u ddont know it but have their wishes, limits,

girls want shoot together for u and ur enjoy but if u have still problem´s they not must do it anymore :-D .

[KingPorno]

Some ATM between the girls would be even more exciting with twin sisters. Why do we almost never see that here on LP?

I'd LOVE to see lots of ATOGM from these two!

[filthyk9pissslut]

maby is time stop shooting.

Agree, Doing nothing is better than being busy doing nothing.

[blackmanwhat350]

I agree with hjohjole's point. You are better off just shooting two separate scenes since the idea of having one of them being penetrated while others get sexual with her due to rules against incest.


FloraneRussell, you should get someone to translate for you. English is not your strong suit since I barely understood what you just said as replied. I have no problem if one won't do DAP while the other does; however, the one that can't do DAP won't do well on her in terms of sales without her sister who can do it all. Your point regarding everyone knows how shooting works argument needs to stop. We consume content, so we can tell visually, which is good and which is not in our opinion. I used to shoot professionally with a production-level camera; however, I am not usually the one that handles dictating what shoot to take. That responsibility goes to the director and the one in charge of the shoot. If they ask me to do this type of angle of view, I do the best I can to deliver that. Stop with never having a camera in hand before because the cameraman is not responsible for what happens unless they don't know how to follow the instruction. Lady Zee is the star here, not Sandra Zee. I'm glad to see Sandra Zee back in porn, but people need to stop criticizing her. If she doesn't want to do it, then it is her right not to do it. Accept it and move on. If you don't like it, then don't buy it. Veronica Leal doesn't do DAP; however, she has superstar status; she can get away from it. Sandra Zee is a valuable piece as long that she is with Lady Zee together. Lady Zee, on the other hand, can do it without Sandra Zee. These sisters are twins, my friends. That's rare to find in porn.

[grey00owl]

Florane, I have often praised you and your studio and it's for me so more pleasant when I can praise than when I have to criticise. I'm absolutely not biased: I always judge what I see. Now I know, nobody likes to be criticised, but the criticism offers a chance to improve, if taken the right way. It seems to me that you react piqued to every even slightly negative comments. I think it would be so much more useful, for all, if you could drop this feeling of resentment. As I see, the most critical comments are directed to get something better. Of course everybody has different parameters of judgement, and, I'm sure, not all users are so critical as I am. Nevetherless it would be good, for you as well, if you could consider these criticisms in a constructive way.
About lighting: I'm not so happy, but I can ultimately accept it, as it seems to be a feature of your studio. But blurry framinig? It's amateurish and not acceptable.
Lame action: sorry, but this is the worst of this scene.
Poor camerawork: as also stated by hjohjole, the operator often fails to frame the action properly.
No or very little interaction: Interaction is the purpose to shoot two girls together (not only sisters, but in this case even more so): if it's not provided, it's absolutely useless to shoot them together.

[FloraneRussell]

ok guys. one thing is constructive criticism and another thing is what is happening here. I am stopping to read the forum and answering any questions. I will be invisible like other studios and sometimes, just sometimes, I will comment on something. but this flame is not for me.

[grey00owl]

ok guys. one think is constructive speaking and one is what is here. i stoping read forum and answearing any asks. will be invisible like other studios and sometime realy sometime i can something coment. but this flame its no for my.

It's a pity, Florane. I find it good to have an exchange of opinions. But it's your choice. Anyway, thank you for having been here!

[KingPorno]

ok guys. one think is constructive speaking and one is what is here.

Just click their user name and then click "add foe". Just like that you never have to read their rude comments again. It's a really great feature!

[FloraneRussell]

ok guys. one think is constructive speaking and one is what is here.

Just click their user name and then click "add foe". Just like that you never have to read their rude comments again. It's a really great feature!

yea it is but qupte i will see but this discusion is far from Twins topic

[Caveman39]

ok guys. one think is constructive speaking and one is what is here. i stoping read forum and answearing any asks. will be invisible like other studios and sometime realy sometime i can something coment. but this flame its no for my.

Florane, don't do that please.
You have to consider that social media like Twitter, Insta, vk etc and porn forums are often open sewers with rats and cockroaches like this filthyk9pissslut (who probably is this redwhore idiot again who has had his account banned on multiple occasions and who keeps coming back ocassionally to use one of his many accounts) to TROLL this forum with his garbage. Be aware that such critics/"reviewers" are NOT your (paying) customers. Trolls are just trying to get under your nails and irritate you. So better to indeed IGNORE or add to "foe" (=enemy) after clicking on their usernames as to not having to read a single negative comment ever again from such non-customer.

Thanks for putting the sisters in one scene. It's exited to see them perform together within the limits by Czech aw. Just go ahead and continue your path and let the dogs & trolls bark. Most of them are not paying your bills. So who cares about their opinion. They are like assholes, everyone has one. Critique & feedback from sincere customers is ALWAYS welcome of course, but being asshole not. Thanks for your time here and don't disappear like Joachim Kessef. Ultimately, the negativity was part of the reason he stopped producing and stopped participating on the forum:
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But strong women have thicker skin to not give up so easily and will not let trolls win!

[FloraneRussell]

ok guys. one think is constructive speaking and one is what is here. i stoping read forum and answearing any asks. will be invisible like other studios and sometime realy sometime i can something coment. but this flame its no for my.

Florane, don't do that please.
You have to consider that social media like Twitter, Insta, vk etc and porn forums are often open sewers with rats and cockroaches like this filthyk9pissslut (who probably is this redwhore idiot again who has had his account banned on multiple occasions and who keeps coming back ocassionally to use one of his many accounts) to TROLL this forum with his garbage. Be aware that such critics/"reviewers" are NOT your (paying) customers. Trolls are just trying to get under your nails and irritate you. So better to indeed IGNORE or add to "foe" (=enemy) after clicking on their usernames as to not having to read a single negative comment ever again from such non-customer.

Thanks for putting the sisters in one scene. It's exited to see them perform together within the limits by Czech aw. Just go ahead and continue your path and let the dogs & trolls bark. Most of them are not paying your bills. So who cares about their opinion. They are like assholes, everyone has one. Critique & feedback from sincere customers is ALWAYS welcome of course, but being asshole not. Thanks for your time here and don't disappear like Joachim Kessef. Ultimately, the negativity was part of the reason he stopped producing and stopped participating on the forum:
viewtopic.php?f=115&t=23611
viewtopic.php?f=115&t=29220
But strong women have thicker skin to not give up so easily and will not let trolls win!

[avanfurwet]

...FloraneRussell, you should get someone to translate for you. English is not your strong suit since I barely understood what you just said as replied...

You could try to show more goodwill when a producer makes the effort to come here and post with fans. Florane's English is pretty good. Can you speak Czech?

[avanfurwet]

ok guys. one think is constructive speaking and one is what is here. i stoping read forum and answearing any asks. will be invisible like other studios and sometime realy sometime i can something coment. but this flame its no for my.

It's a pity, Florane. I find it good to have an exchange of opinions. But it's your choice. Anyway, thank you for having been here!

Yes, thanks for posting here Florane.

[peelover42]

ok guys. one think is constructive speaking and one is what is here. i stoping read forum and answearing any asks. will be invisible like other studios and sometime realy sometime i can something coment. but this flame its no for my.

Having read the thread above, I can totally understand your reaction.
I would have reacted *exactly* the same...

Its sad that things had to go this way just because some people lacked the neccessary empathy to known when its enough...

People seem to not understand what a priviledge they have with you talking to them directly and taking and asking for input.
I am shocked. nothing more to say.

I am normally one of the silent majority that votes by the stuff he buys.
And I am voting frequently to keep this thing going...
Because I like what you do ... Especially what *you* do, Florane.
N&F has become my favourite studio and it will stay that way in the future.

Normally I stay in my kink. (as my nickname implies) but you got me to look outside a bit ...
I recently came across NF044 and found something that i really liked (even though its not perfect and had its flaws...)
I even caught myself thinking, I wanted to be in your body (no pun intended) in the last scene... ;-)

And somehow I thought I should share that thought...
Thats the reason I came over to the boards...

And then i find this thread...
sad... really sad...

I can only hope that you forget this here very fast.
Keep on doing your good work. (I like your ideas in *many* ways).
Make sure the the girls have fun with what they do (but keep pushing them to their limits ;-)
Make sure they are well, so we can enjoy them in the future.
Thats the most important thing (somebody else around here said that already...)

And we (the silent majority) will reward you with a stable income...
What else can we ask for in these times...

Thank you Florane,
Thanks that you exist,

thats all I have to say.

[g1ndude]

Agree with Caveman. This filthyk9pissslut guy is clearly just an asshole.

Lots of entitlement from people on the forum who want to see their specific kink, but this guy is just an asshole.

Keep up the good work. This one will sell just fine with or without the whiners on the forum. Just like the Zee twins always do.

[dap-addict]

I do actually think there is developing a bit of Joachim defense mechanism, also maybe based on difficult english for non-mother talkers and more difficulties for those of slavic mother tongue.I'd rather have critical posters pursue well grounded critic and those involved in studio to sit back a bit and first just read and think it over sth. Please lets remember that everybody writing in here more than 10-20 words takes quite some time and care they wouldn't if they didnt wanna make this a better place!

And with IV one thing is for sure: Sales went up once Joachim came to forum to explain his POV, but also to listen. IV studio isn't done yet, but times are getting harder for sure and all studios are advised good to get into some discussion with porn fans.

Finally once again: Discussing her is sure a minority of users/customers, but its the most loyal part and they are no without influence at all, as numerous threads and cases show!

[avanfurwet]

Is it from you, Florane? What brought Santa to the twins?

yes its us next advent special DP DAP . Piss

I think shooting the twins together is a good thing, if they are happy working together.
It's always nice to see their smiles.

[Sir Noel]

I thought the scene had a lot of good things going for it.
Personally, I cannot understand the moaning about the puking when 99.999% of scenes on this site don't feature something and then people get upset when one or two scenes out of a thousand feature something they personally do not like.
In terms of twin scenes there was at least SOME interaction. However, it has for a few years now been a failing of most LP studios that 2 girl scenes become largely two solo scenes filmed in the same room at the same time. The beauty of a two girl scene is the girls interacting. In this case it may be that they are limited as they are twins (a shame) but they could still be sucking the cocks out of one another's ass etc and putting it back in. All studios here need to look back at some of the old Sineplex scenes, or look at some other studios elsewhere to remind themselves of the possibilities.
Also, I actually quite liked some of the camerawork on this scene with a focal length/FOV effect pulled a few times.
I think Florane should stick with the puking in SOME scenes as it is something different and stick with some multi girl scenes but be sure it doesn't melt into side by side blowjobs, side by side cowgirl, side by side etc etc ie "two solo scenes in one room".

[JASON15938]

ok guys. one think is constructive speaking and one is what is here. i stoping read forum and answearing any asks. will be invisible like other studios and sometime realy sometime i can something coment. but this flame its no for my.

Dear Florane know this last scene is very impressive and avoids responding to any comment. some do not deserve your understanding of things and your straightforward answers

[Kapwn]

This is a Zee Twins topic.

If you want to discuss something else, make a different topic boys.

[mpre22la]

Honestly hope comments about N&F being too soft get ignored. Enjoying something still super hardcore, DP, ATM, gangbang, facials without the 0% pussy from the other channels. I never understand 0% pussy and all DAP... This has dialled back the hardcore just a little bit and is a bit more creative. Maybe mix up a manhandle, BDSM and what is normally done on the Zee Twins.

[bake0213]

I bought this scene and appreciated the interplay between the Twins such as holding legs back/open. I hope to see more of that in the future. Thanks!

[krisb01581]

I bought the Twins latest scene but was ultimately disappointed. It cost more tickets than any of their other scenes but was one of the tamest in terms of interaction.

I am a big fan of them, but when they are together I would like to see them interacting a lot more. They have already done ATOGM, PTOGM, making out, and even light pussy licking in other scenes on this site. This new scene didn't even have any ATOGM I was hoping at least one of them would piss into the bowl and the other would drink it but maybe that's wishful thinking.

[bdsmpretty]

ok guys. one thing is constructive criticism and another thing is what is happening here. I am stopping to read the forum and answering any questions. I will be invisible like other studios and sometimes, just sometimes, I will comment on something. but this flame is not for me.

Much respect to you Florane and a big +1 from me to you and the twins to keep doing what you are doing.

Every time you and the twins release a scene it's a night of excitement here on the forum, and the feedback and sales speak for themselves. So don't take any s**t from anyone!

The Zee twins are the two most fun models on the site, and fun and playfulness is a much neglected quality from harder porn. But the best porn is always about more than just 'meat bashing against meat'.
It's about how personalities/characters interact. And with the twins that aspect is the real joy. They have amazing chemistry when working together and interact with each other during scenes like no other pairing on the site.
And that playfulness is also in the cheeky and cute costumes you chose, and the crazy games the twins experiment with.
You and they make highly distinctive and original content, and that difference is exactly why your fans appreciate you.

If people want DAP there are other performers who offer that. Just as there are wild and daring things the twins do that other performers don't.
LP is lucky to have them shooting here so often. The twins fans here know it well... and long may they continue to do so.

[filthyk9pissslut]

Interaction is not possible, incest is illegal in Czech

[hacrash]

I have just seen this video of Sandra Zee and I find it delicious. Deep throat and vomit, piss and submission. She has made fewer videos than her sister but she is just as naughty. I prefer it because it has fewer tattoos that disfigure the skin

https://video-preview.gtflixtv.com/7aa8 ... =244&w=432

[ryukenmaster666]

Not into vomit, yes sometimes action not very focused but it is a nice try. And the Zee sisters are just too lovely!

[m4aster]

Interaction is not possible, incest is illegal in Czech

they already kiss each other on other Czech website

[filthyk9pissslut]

Kissing is not incest, tongue kissing is

[FloraneRussell]

Interaction is not possible, incest is illegal in Czech

they already kiss each other on other Czech website

and? its nothing fix.

And for true, imagine about that much interactions how u want is ........
Why u no make ineractions with brothers sisters? Hmnmm? For my is that what we shoot in this scene maximum.
I want girls confortable on shooting, and we realy
no force them to anything just for profits. !!

[InsideA41YearOldGirl]

This obsession with incest is creepy. Layer cake (girls on top of each other), and double blowjob is enough. Lesbian sex isn't interesting.

[filthyk9pissslut]

If it's not illegal it's hot, i had some fun with my younger sibling, that's how I got my Piss drinking fetish

[heinnapp]

There were quite a lot of criticisms on this scene with the Zee twins (as well as similarly on several other N&F scenes, in this and other threads), and imho these bashings mostly had a sort of petty, nitpicking, pedantic flavor. They are very focused on quantifiable things and technical issues (how often, how many different techniques, how deep, how much, how hard, how wide, incorrect tagging, etc.). To me, this is a somewhat strange bookkeeper approach to sex & porn, that I cannot really follow…

Of course, a current professionally produced porn scene has to comply with certain basic technical standards, in terms of camera work, focus, lighting, scripting (so to say ;-), etc. And if this is clearly not the case it could be justly criticized and discussed (although it is also clear that ‚standards‘ are not clear-cut and to a certain degree „a matter of taste“, for instance with regard to the brightness of lighting, as Florane has repeatedly tried to explain). However, at least for me much more important for ‚good porn‘ is the overall passion, devotion, kinkiness and (positively) pervy mood (possibly genuine, at least convincingly play-acted) that it conveys … and these issues are clearly assets of N&F productions!

And this is also true for this scene that I like very much … Extreme anal acrobatics and record-breaking penetrations have overtly not been the main focus of this scene but rather facefucking (incl puking), piss, piss drinking (as the title clearly communicates), and in this respect this scene (as most other N&F scenes) is simply awesome!

Particularly appealing for me was that nne can always feel (me, at least) the good playful mood during the filming, particularly with the Zee twins who clearly felt comfortable in the scene, which is visible in many subtle details … and even Sandra’s puking (which, btw, I am generally not a fan of ;-) does fit into this pattern, as it seemed to be unintentionally caused by the intensity of the facefucking rather than being deliberately ‚forced‘ (as also Sandra’s calm reaction suggests)…

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DAP & DP fun - and some interaction between Sandra and Lady!

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... pissing fun, for all!!!

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... more pissing fun - even wetter'n'hotter...

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... more facefucking - the Zees seem to enjoy the sensational feeling!

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Now it becomes realla wet'n'hot ;-)

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... next time Sandra will also enjoy the hot champagne!

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[dap-addict]

Particularly appealing for me was that nne can always feel (me, at least) the good playful mood during the filming, particularly with the Zee twins who clearly felt comfortable in the scene, which is visible in many subtle details …

Good ingredient for porn!
A detail set by N&F @ LP I would say.
This for sure is an important contribution of N&F to LP and I have to confess I re-detected that quality thanks to Florane's studio again in 2nd part of 2020.

[FloraneRussell]

Particularly appealing for me was that nne can always feel (me, at least) the good playful mood during the filming, particularly with the Zee twins who clearly felt comfortable in the scene, which is visible in many subtle details …

Good ingredient for porn!
A detail set by N&F @ LP I would say.
This for sure is an important contribution of N&F to LP and I have to confess I re-detected that quality thanks to Florane's studio again in 2nd part of 2020.

thank u guys

[bdsmpretty]

Florane, have you (as producer) and the twins (as performers & stars) thought about doing an xxx hommage-tribute to Vera Chytilova's infamous cult classic 'Daisies' aka 'Sedmikrásky' (1966)?

If Sandra and Lady are Czech then they must be aware of it, and if they are then I would guess they are fans.
It's very feminist, 1960s punky-anarchic, and funny. About two cheeky and rebellious young women who go on the rampage in Prague.

I was thinking about the twins today (a crush!) and about how cool it is that they are so cheeky and daring in their scenes, and that they work so well together as kind of 'gang of two' when they perform.
When I noticed they are both Czech, the first thing that came to my mind was 'Daisies' as it is very well known and much loved worldwide as a cult classic.
It just seems so obvious that if an xxx tribute were to be made, then Sandra and Lady Zee would be perfectly cast.

Maybe you could ask the twins if it's an idea they would like to try? And suggest it to your director/cameraman to see if they would be enthusiastic?

Much respect to you and the twins and I am looking forward to their next scene very much. They are super-fun.

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