Suggested Forum Etiquette Rules

[gapefan]

xxx, please feel free to chime in, edit, or revise any part of this. Your input would be invaluable.

I would like to suggest the following rules and guidelines for forum etiquette here at LegalPorno:

• The Basics
  Please don't type in all caps. Please don't post the same thing in multiple threads or forums. Signing up for multiple usernames is not allowed. Please don't quote people's entire posts - quote only relevant sections or address the person by name.
  
  
• LegalPorno Forum is a Friendly Community
  Treat fellow posters as neighbors. Please be respectful of each other and each other's threads. If what someone has posted angers you, wait until you calm down before you respond or simply don't respond. Think before posting. Trolling (baiting people by intentionally posting inflammatory messages) or incessantly harping on an issue/person will lead to the deactivation of your account.
  
  
• LegalPorno Forum is a Community of Porn Fans and Industry Insiders
  Please do not talk about pornstars, directors or producers as if they are not here. (Katsumi sums it up nicely.) We are lucky to have industry participants, and they are paying attention to your constructive criticism. That is not to say there can not be any criticism. There most certainly can be. However, insults will get you nowhere and lead to the deactivation of your forum account. If you choose to criticize, do so constructively and with respect. If you work in the industry please be honest about your porn connections.
  
  
• Moderators
  Moderators are wonderful people who volunteer their time to help keep our forum organized, friendly and informative. Please thank them regularly and send gifts occassionally. If you have a question about a particular forum, you should direct it to that forum's moderator. If you have an issue with how something has been moderated send a polite email to the moderator or xxx. Posting a bunch of crazed nonsense about democracy and free speech will only lead to the deactivation of your account.
  
  
• All in All
  LegalPorno Forum is here so we can help each other answer questions and simply have a good time. We want to have fun too. We do not want to spend our time enforcing rules and reminding people to be respectful. We're fortunate to have such an interesting, amusing, considerate group of people gathered here who always welcome new faces. Thanks to everyone who participates! Enjoy!

[Tastes Like Ass]

I'm strongly opposed to any sort of regular moderation of comments. I don't have a big problem with banning someone who is an obvious troll (like Opium), but that's about as far as I'm willing to go.

Once you start to limit the types of criticism that can be expressed, it quickly becomes a slippery slope. I've seen it happen many times. First, it's just blatantly over-the-top insults. Soon, it becomes anything that anyone might conceivably find offensive, and eventually, it's anything that anyone is like to interpret as any kind of criticism at all, including criticisms of the moderation itself. Before long, it turns into an echo chamber.

Also, there is a huge difference between ADT and the LP forums. ADT is not in the business of producing porn. It's really just a gathering place for fanboys to express their adoration and get to interact with their favorite performers and directors.

On the other hand, the purpose of the LP forums, as XXX himself has repeatedly said, is to help him understand what makes some scenes more popular than others, so that he will have a better idea of which types of girls to book and which types of sex to shoot. Limiting the ability of the forum members to voice their criticisms (even harsh ones) will simply hinder that goal.

[gapefan]

You know what else hinders the goal of shooting these girls? Bad PR. Performers who refuse to work for your company, and tell others to do the same, because the assholes in your forum know nothing about manners

[Tastes Like Ass]

^If that's really your only concern, just post a prominent disclaimer on every page of the forum, something like: "The opinions expressed on the forum are solely those of the forum members, and do not in any way represent the views of Legal Porno." Problem solved.

[gapefan]

No. Problem not solved. You think that's going to make Sandra Luberc or Bibi Noel want to come back and work for LP? Some disclaimer? You must be high

If I'm running a business, and something is threatening to disrupt my supply chain? I'm going to do more than post a disclaimer. I'm going to take counter measures to prevent it from happening again.

[Tastes Like Ass]

As I said on Sandra's thread (and way back on the old Samantha Bentley thread), part of being a public figure (which porn stars are) is learning to deal with criticism. If you are exceptionally thin-skinned, porn is probably not the best job for you.

[gapefan]

You're welcome to your opinion

[Tastes Like Ass]

I'm welcome to my opinion, but if you get your way, I would not be free to express it (at least not here). After all, it could hurt someone's feelings to accuse them of being thin-skinned...especially if it's true!

[Sir Noel]

I agree with Gapefan.

Claiming moderation is necessarily a slippery slope is absurd, especially if you don't have a high turnover of mods.

There is a difference between moderating the content of what people say and moderating their tone. You can say almost any opinion you desire without crossing reasonable forum standards.

/signed

[Tastes Like Ass]

There is a difference between moderating the content of what people say and moderating their tone. You can say almost any opinion you desire without crossing reasonable forum standards.

In theory, yes. In practice, no. Want proof? Check out the exchange between GF and I on the BTS forum, and kindly tell me how I could have expressed my opinion of heavily-tattooed women any more politely than I did (except for GF's extremely silly suggestion that I add the phrase "in my opinion" to every comment I make).

Or check out the Sandra Luberc thread here, where GF maintains that Sandra has every right to be outraged over a few good-natured jokes about her hilariously misspelled "Only God Can Fudge Me" tattoo.

If the plan is to turn this forum into an ADT-like fanboy club, where no one is allowed to say anything that could be construed as remotely offensive, they might as well just close the forum entirely, as far as I'm concerned.

[gapefan]

TLA, the fact that both our disagreements happened to involve tattoos is ironic, purely coincidental, and irrelevant.

Let me reiterate what I have already said:

This isn't about tattoos or boob jobs. It's about the way people go about criticizing. If it's done constructively, and with respect, then criticism is perfectly fine. In fact, it's encouraged. If all you're doing is insulting someone? It's unwelcome, in my opinion.

You're right, adding the phrase "in my opinion" to every statement was a silly idea, and never would have worked. But I'm not going to take credit for that suggestion. If you look at our conversation in the BTSForum, that was your idea TLA. And it was almost as silly as this one:

^If that's really your only concern, just post a prominent disclaimer on every page of the forum, something like: "The opinions expressed on the forum are solely those of the forum members, and do not in any way represent the views of Legal Porno." Problem solved.

[gapefan]

I agree with Gapefan.

Claiming moderation is necessarily a slippery slope is absurd, especially if you don't have a high turnover of mods.

There is a difference between moderating the content of what people say and moderating their tone. You can say almost any opinion you desire without crossing reasonable forum standards.

/signed

I agree 100% with sirnoelplum

It is possible to express almost any opinion in the world without being offensive, if it's done with constructive criticism and a respectful tone.

I would suggest that moderators take a laissez-faire approach, and only intervene when necessary. If they feel something needs moderating, they should contact the individual by PM first, and ask them to revise their comment. If, after repeat offenses (such as with Opium) the member still fails to comply, they would be deactivated.

In my opinion, it is essential that this community has a set of rules or guidelines for members to follow. Otherwise, cases like Sandra Luberc and Bibi Noel (and others not even mentioned here for discretionary purposes) will continue to happen.

[Cynewulf30]

This discussion thread is pointless.The forum already has rules to abide by it doesn't need another set on top of it.If you don't like the rules already in place go elsewhere.

[gapefan]

^Where are these rules posted again?

[gapefan]

If the plan is to turn this forum into an ADT-like fanboy club, where no one is allowed to say anything that could be construed as remotely offensive, they might as well just close the forum entirely, as far as I'm concerned.

Perhaps you are right? Maybe LP should close the forum. If people can't seem to moderate themselves, perhaps that is the preferrable alternative.

What more can xxx learn from what is said here, that he can't already derive from sales numbers?

Put in a request line or poll for model and fetish suggestions that go to a private inbox, and be done with it.



As a fan, I like having a line of communication with LegalPorno. But if it's going to hurt their business? I'll gladly forgo that privilege.

And it is a privilege to be able to post here, not an entitlement. You do realize that, right?

xxx can pull the plug on this forum any time he feels like it.

[magizi877]

I still check this forum for 3 reasons.

1) It somehow replaces a coming soon section.
2) People behind the scenes such as XXX, PC_82 and GG do post here and share a bit of insight.
3) It seems like fan feedback is taken into consideration.

To me the preview pictures are the biggest reason why I check this forum up. Back in the day,
you had a vague idea of what scenes might be released up to 6 months or more in the future, but the
site was updated scarcely and randomly. So the forum build so much hype about the stuff in the pipelines.

That hype is probably what has keep me around checking this forum, although updates are pretty regular
and plenty full now. For instance, last year, when XXX posted the preview pictures of Rosella Visconti, the
anxiety was killing me because I though she was very hot and the update took a while to arrive.

Back on topic, IMO the only real problem are harsh posts, when those aim at a particular performer,
be it male or female and that particular person reads them and ends up with his/her feelings hurt.
Because he/she might leave the studio. Obviously, all kinds of criticism are hard to swallow,
be it constructive or not. I think XXX or the person who hires the actors should tell them about this,
to prepare them somewhow.

At the end of the day, everyone should learn to deal with other people thoughts, learn from them and move on.
Not just porn actors, lol.

Keep the forum alive!

[Tastes Like Ass]

TLA, the fact that both our disagreements happened to involve tattoos is ironic, purely coincidental, and irrelevant.

Sure it is. That's why you have been just as eager to condemn all the harsh criticism of fake tits, age, body type, and so on, as you have to condemn the harsh criticism of tattoos, right?

You're right, adding the phrase "in my opinion" to every statement was a silly idea, and never would have worked. But I'm not going to take credit for that suggestion. If you look at our conversation in the BTSForum, that was your idea TLA.

Yes, I made that suggestion sarcastically. You, on the other hand, responded by saying that if I had done that, "it would have made all the difference in the world", and you then proceeded to defend that ridiculous claim when I mocked it.

In my opinion, it is essential that this community has a set of rules or guidelines for members to follow. Otherwise, cases like Sandra Luberc and Bibi Noel (and others not even mentioned here for discretionary purposes) will continue to happen.

Exactly which comments from the Sandra thread do you think should have been deleted? Being able to take a little good-natured ribbing is not only part of being a public figure, it's part of being an adult.

What more can xxx learn from what is said here, that he can't already derive from sales numbers?

As he himself has said, there are numerous factors that can contribute to whether people buy a scene. The forum comments help him figure out exactly what people like about the scene, and what they don't, regardless of whether they ultimately decide to buy it.

xxx can pull the plug on this forum any time he feels like it.

Where did I ever say, or even imply, otherwise? Of course he can. I hope he doesn't, as I enjoy the free exchange of ideas found here, and I definitely think the feedback (including the criticism) makes the final product a lot better. But that's only true if that free exchange of ideas is allowed to happen. No forum at all would definitely be better than an ass-kissing echo chamber like ADT.

[gapefan]

The free exchange of ideas is not hindered by simply approaching things in a constructive respectful manner and tone. You are an adult, I would think you'd have learned that by now.

And certain things do need moderating. Why else is it would you say, that certain threads have been locked?

I said my piece. Go back and read it again if you need to. Leave it up to xxx and the moderators to decide, I say.

[Tastes Like Ass]

^Excellent rebuttal!

I'm starting to see why you prefer censorship over debate.

[gapefan]

I do. When it comes to certain things.

[hankandhank]

LP .. whats the point of having a forum if things can't be discussed?

Look at the latest LOCKED topics. Good questions, good discussions, good compliments to LP.. no one flames eachother, no one gets insulted.

The reason for LOCKING: "WTF? You make us look bad. I don't want these threads constantly popping up at the top of the forum"

So we can discuss pissing in mouths and gaping assholes, that doesn't make LP look bad. LOL!

But discussing turts and family is a BIG no no because these subjects do make LP look bad. Hahahahaha

By the way.. I loved latest the mom/daughter LP scenes.. or is it taboo to write this here?

[xxx]

LP .. whats the point of having a forum if things can't be discussed?

Look at the latest LOCKED topics. Good questions, good discussions, good compliments to LP.. no one flames eachother, no one gets insulted.

The reason for LOCKING: "WTF? You make us look bad. I don't want these threads constantly popping up at the top of the forum"

So we can discuss pissing in mouths and gaping assholes, that doesn't make LP look bad. LOL!

But discussing turts and family is a BIG no no because these subjects do make LP look bad. Hahahahaha

By the way.. I loved latest the mom/daughter LP scenes.. or is it taboo to write this here?

There is a huge difference between discussing legal and illegal content.

As much as I would be for a totally open discussion on any topic, we are not in a position to allow that here without hurting ourselves.

[hankandhank]

There is a huge difference between discussing legal and illegal content.

As much as I would be for a totally open discussion on any topic, we are not in a position to allow that here without hurting ourselves.

XXX: I understand from your words that the production of scat and incest is forbidden in your country. Pee and pissing apparently is allowed.

Since those things are illegal I still don't understand that 2 scenes with mother and daughter interacting with eachother are released on LP. They fuck eachother with dildo's, facing eachother in a 69 position... and that's not incest?

And something else: How can I know that those things are illegal to produce in your country? You get people on this forum from all over the world. And there are fortunately alot of countries where people have the freedom to make/produce these movies.

And another thing: Even if these kind of scenes are illegal to make ...... Why is it illegal to DISCUSS these subjects. Thats freedom of discussion/speech. Your company is based in Europe is it? Don't you have freedom of speech?

[troxelforyou]

I also appreciated the two mother-daughter videos, I contacted the customer service to ask for more interaction between mother and daughter like french kisses, licking each other asshole etc. and they invited me to discuss this in the forum. Now I discussed in the forum and they saying this is illegal! I dont think the website is based in Saudi Arabia or other countries like this, why we cannot discuss??? To feel or appear "bad" because we talking about a mother and daughter kissing (do you know how many thousands of videos like this are available online with genuine mother daughter couples?), very strange. If the daughter licking the cock directly from the ass of the mother is ok, if they have to kiss is very bad. And to film young girls forced to drink piss probably making you better, isnt it? This website is not for me if this is the policy, good luck, I will buy and download videos from somebody else.

[gapefan]

Good riddance.

[utopiaa]

This is getting a bit off-topic now again, but Even if something is not necessarily illegal, some credit card company's can decide they think it is wrong and make their cards not work on said service provider.

[SuperImp]

The suggested rules are, for the most part, common sense for most boards and should be part of everyday etiquette (One can hope!). It'll be good if something could be posted and stickied at the top of each board. Just my two cents below:

1) Moderators - Probably take out Please thank them regularly and send gifts occassionally - Seeing as the moderators are probably already on payroll at LP or volunteers (Are there even any?), they shouldn't expect to be praised or given gifts. Plus, getting gifts can be a conflict of interest on an open board discussion.

2) LegalPorno Forum is a Community of Porn Fans and Industry Insiders- This is probably the one that will vary on the discretion of the moderator (Especially if LP gets volunteer moderators). I think troll comments or excessively horrible comments should be moderated or deleted. By excessive, I'm talking trolling at the lowest level or speaking nothing of hatred/misogyny/misandry/threats/etc. Those comments don't help anyone and are unproductive to any discussions.

However, I believe comments in a well written opinion are OK. Even if they aren't in the positive outlook. In particular (but not exclusive), directors/script writing and plot/scenario/editing/furniture/outfit/actors/actresses/plastic surgery/tattoos/scars/genital size and aesthetics/attractiveness/age/weight/etc. should be able to be voiced. Jokes and sarcastic remarks are also inevitable, assuming they don't derail the thread significantly.

Here are some other additions I think can benefit these forums:

1) Derailing or poisoning a thread - If discussion goes beyond what the thread is about, a new thread should be created or the user(s) warned for poisoning the thread. The thread should be focused on its subject for the most part. However, small snippets or relatable discussions can be had as long as it doesn't detract from the core subject. Example being a physical change on a popular model. It's ok to talk about that change (Including positive or negative opinions), but if a user keeps spamming their outrage on multiple pages, it's just shitting up the thread.

2) Need a list of banned subjects/discussions - A few threads have been locked for subject material. It'd save time on having to explain why it's not permitted (illegal/grey-area/etc.)

[hankandhank]

This is getting a bit off-topic now again, but Even if something is not necessarily illegal, some credit card company's can decide they think it is wrong and make their cards not work on said service provider.

Then don't write it is illegal.. Just write that you don't do these scenes because of creditcardcompanies.

[gapefan]

Thank you for your input, utopiaa and SuperImp.

Anyone else have anything they think we should add, edit, or revise for any reason?

[Sir Noel]

I also appreciated the two mother-daughter videos, I contacted the customer service to ask for more interaction between mother and daughter like french kisses, licking each other asshole etc. and they invited me to discuss this in the forum. Now I discussed in the forum and they saying this is illegal! I dont think the website is based in Saudi Arabia or other countries like this, why we cannot discuss??? To feel or appear "bad" because we talking about a mother and daughter kissing (do you know how many thousands of videos like this are available online with genuine mother daughter couples?), very strange. If the daughter licking the cock directly from the ass of the mother is ok, if they have to kiss is very bad. And to film young girls forced to drink piss probably making you better, isnt it? This website is not for me if this is the policy, good luck, I will buy and download videos from somebody else.

Oh come on, this is an overreaction surely? Do tou like the porn they produce on this site? If so, then remain a member.
Perhaps xxx and his staff just want a little more discretion on our part. Maybe xxx would like to see a mother daughter frenchie as much as you or I but this may be a facet of such a scene he would prefer us not to shout so loudly about.
Pushing too hard sometimes has the opposite effect my friend

[hankandhank]

Is it allowed to request Gay-porn here? Or against the Etiquette? If so.. my sincere apologies.

[Tastes Like Ass]

In my opinion, it is essential that this community has a set of rules or guidelines for members to follow. Otherwise, cases like Sandra Luberc and Bibi Noel (and others not even mentioned here for discretionary purposes) will continue to happen.

Apparently, Sandra is considerably more mature and thick-skinned than you gave her credit for being, so I guess you will have to find a new excuse to try to ban anti-tattoo comments.

[gapefan]

Go back, and read it again. You obviously missed a few parts.

[Tastes Like Ass]

^Here's an idea: Instead of repeatedly telling me to go back and reread stuff, how about if you actually answer some of the points I have made in this thread (or on the Sandra thread), instead of just ignoring them over and over and over?

[gapefan]

Here's an idea: I've already said everything I needed to say. The rest is up to xxx, and the mods.

[Tastes Like Ass]

The rest is up to xxx, and the mods.

I agree completely. It is up to them. I never said or implied otherwise. In fact, you're the one that keeps "suggesting" to them how they should run their own forum. Thankfully, your "suggestions" seem to be falling on deaf ears.

[gapefan]

You have no idea. You will see. Soon!

[Tastes Like Ass]

I think XXX is too smart and too good a businessman to fall for your foolishness, but I could be wrong.

[gapefan]

My foolishness? You have no sense of how to run a business, do you? No. I didn't think so.

[Tastes Like Ass]

When someone keeps repeating the same gibberish, while ignoring every argument made against his position, I would say that's pretty much the textbook definition of a fool.