Male Talent Trying Too Hard/Too Oblivious/Too "insert word"

[MackZatis]

Like the majority here, I enjoy to watch pretty rough hard pounding fucking. However, like a lot of you here (not all, cuz I know there is some real shade-balls with some serious "Mommy" issues as well), I don't particularly enjoy when scenes are excessively rough for no apparent reason at all. To me it shouldn't get in to seriously rough/mean spirited territory unless; By prompt/antagonizing from female or by overarching scene direction/theme. Also no matter how rough a scene is, to me the "roughhousing" should never be more time/energy consuming, attention/priority/focus/ getting than the sex. I mean after all this is porn, and not some weird co-ed version of "backyard-brawls". It should always be in lock-step and flow of the scene. As the fucking picks-up, gets harder & faster, more cocks entering holes, then so should said "roughhousing". Seriously there are some *(several) cringe worthy times where the female is CLEARLY not in to it, and she is just being the best trooper she can be and grin & bare through it. (Don't ask me to give exact examples, cuz I'm not. If you've been around here for a few years at least we all have seen an example or two.)
I know I know, I'm not there; I don't know what was or wasn't "agreed" to before hand / what was said and done in cut breaks ect... blah blah blah, heard it too many times so save it.
However if all is up and on the level, and this has been at least briefly discussed before. Than why does the females body language, her facial expressions & look in her eyes say other wise. Why is she surprised and uncomfortable looking in these FEW moments???
Anyway I digress, I started this thread originally on the though of; WHY THE HELL are the studs constantly smacking face, tits, ass. choking/head-locking/stepping on head (this trend is horrible & needs to disappear, it's already been around too long, I have no interest on the camera panning in on a guys foot EVER!) when only 60 fucking seconds into the scene???? Is that supposed to spring the "mood"? Turn her on? Have her actually enjoy it??? I mean seriously 60 goddamn seconds or less many times. Can't the scene maybe develop on it own merits a few minutes or so.
Are the studs; That much of meat-head shit-bags? That out of touch with their co-star? Have a need that great to be the prominent & dominant center of attention? So fucking jaded from this business they have no clue they're even doing anything?
I'd seriously like to know what sane logical reason there is for watching a girl get naked, fuck her ass with dildos and such. Then literally walk up and not do like-wise sexual acts together/on each other, but start excessively smacking/chocking/ect. right away. Is this really directed in all the scenes where it happen like that? I really don't believe that.
It makes it ALL look SOOOO forced and inauthentic, which in turn then discredits the rest of the scene (or seriously takes away from at least).
Now this mini rant wasn't prompted because of a specific or recent release. I've been meaning to make this post for about a year, I just finally had the time, and actually felt like typing it up tonight.
Am I alone here? I don't think I am, not at all.
Get rough be rough fuck rough & have fun doing it, but for sake of the porn gods, do it all in proper flow, mood & context of the scene. Let the female get a bit (or REALLY) worked up beforehand (do a Dom & Sub type thing where the males tell her she's NOT allowed to cum yet, not until he say so) and you'll be surprised how hard & rough some of them want it, even if weren't previously known for such things....
To me it would make a world of difference and possibly give a slightly new/different/fresh feel to the assembly line end product.
I dunno, just a rant & a thought.....

[Eloise]

101% TRUE.
I can recap all this much shorter:

It's the price we pay for that mass production thing where numbers are key and EVERYTHING ELSE is SECONDARY.

[grey00owl]

Said it many times and restated here: Manhandle is only sexy and arousing when authentic. Only when male and female are into it, then it becomes hot and is a superior level of passion and excitement as well as of intimacy. And, like rightly observed by the opener, it's always a development, a higher grade which can only gained in the flow and dynamic of the action. You can never start straight away with roughing-up. Take, for example, the movies of Rocco Siffredi, for me the undisputed master of manhandle: he never starts a scene being rough, sometimes he never gets rough, he only gets, if the mood is the right one and he "feels" that the woman is ready for it and will enjoy it. And that is the right way.

[Bummer-Harris]

OP are you talking about male performers taking centre stage and distracting from the females or mob-handed manhandling?
(As it goes neither appeal to me.)

[netzerkaiser]

Why is it that Russian Nik comes straight to mind. I don't want to be too hard on him, he's a very handsome man, & DAPAddict indicates he's been through a lot of personal grief, but its always like the guy in the cell next to Hannibal Lecter at the start of TSOTL with him. So unnecessary.

[TheVulture]

Great post.

It is all just too depressing how much of a tick box exercise this has all become. You only need to look at the Giorgio trailers and see the likes of Thomas Lee now mimicking Angelo Godshack by putting his bicep around the girl's neck and how obviously staged it is. That's just not his nature at all and he looks really uncomfortable doing it. Someone has clearly said to him "Godshack isn't in this scene so can you pick up that bit?" It's just abysmal and so unsexy.

Sadly I think we're in the minority and the only way to vote is with our wallets. For the last 2 months or so I've only bought from IV/Kinky Sex and then the GGG clips that appeared as I won't support Giorgio & Gonzo while they continue with this rubbish. I still watch their trailers and then just click off when I see the first bicep around throat, arm twist across back etc., which is generally only a few seconds in. LP has been a bit of a love/hate thing with me for a few years really as it has always had quite a strong element of this rough male-domination-by-numbers about it but now it's just impossible for me to stay and support it. I'm off just as soon as I've spent my last few tickets, which is proving difficult. I will do what I've always done during my brief spells away from the site since joining in 2015, namely checking the trailers periodically to see if anything has changed and it has become about hard and horny sex again rather than simply male physical supremacy and female humiliation but I won't be holding my breath. I think we are now seeing the favoured style of people like Giorgio and the other directors here. Sadly they just don't want to make the kind of porn I like, which is very hard anal sex with horny girls but without wrestling or a general overpowering of the girls. It's very strange to think that LP doesn't see a place on its site for that kind of content (you could argue IV/Kinky Sex but whilst that isn't as rough it is equally cold and clinical) but that is I think just a sign of the times with modern porn, which has changed dramatically in the last 10 years and mostly for the worse IMHO.

[TheVulture]

I find most of what I like from Giorgio's Lab. Even there though, as I look at the trailer, I can tell pretty well which ones are directed by GG---they are different from Nock Rock, Valter, Erica, GG's have just a sameness to them

There's more authenticity to the roughness of Giorgio's Lab than the other stables and the girls by and large do seem to be into it. Also the guys are much younger and more energetic with their fucking. That said, I struggle with these scenes too now. They seem to be ramping it up and as with the other stables I don't think they respect the girls, even if the rough stuff is consensual. It just reeks of male conquest and a celebration of female humiliation, which I just don't find a turn-on however hard the sex action. It's a real shame as they have the male and female talent to produce much hotter scenes but again they are happy to cater only for the niche manhandle crowd.

[MackZatis]

Thanks for the replies to all, first time I've been on the board since I posted this.
Something else I've noticed; on top of what I said earlier, I'm starting to see now, studs (currently not in action) either blocking from view or all together interupting action to out of the blue to slap face, grab & choke throat, arm-pull, ect...
Just sad really....
I believe this really starts at the top and leaks it's way downhill. The whole thing seems jaded and to a level a "sell out"

Bummer-Harris; I'd say both. Without a doubt both.

[dap-addict]

Why is it that Russian Nik comes straight to mind. I don't want to be too hard on him, he's a very handsome man, & DAPAddict indicates he's been through a lot of personal grief...

Its more complicated.
But for sure personal life experience is carried too often on porn sets by these studs.
Problem is maybe also that main focus is always on the girl and her look and performance on set while studs just have to function, but are given less attendance by directors etc. Some of them try to compensate that lack of interest and there the problem starts.

[MackZatis]

.
Problem is maybe also that main focus is always on the girl....... while studs just have to function, but are given less attendance (I think you meant "attention") by directors etc......

Actually a very valid point, I had not even thought about that at all. Makes sense, but yet at the same time, you say that (according to reply on my post of Isabella Clark scene) that details such as anchor in DAP and other similar things are all decided by and told when to do and what position by the director. (Tony was DAP anchor for whole scene and mostly just laid there still with no thrusting, still very disappointed, I mean it's ISABELLA FUCKING CLARK! Get in to it just a bit!)
I really didn't think that was the case before that post, but also makes sense given the robotic color by numbers approach taken. I guess I was naive or foolishly believing that porn could still be and was semi-spontaneous and that the performers could fuck how they wanted when they wanted for the most part, besides some overall "must haves" to coincide with theme, title, prominent body feature, ect....
Regardless, as it stands, things don't seem to be "trending" in an upwardly fashion.....