All new scene pass?

[joe1446]

With sineplex and gg releasing new content, the 40 ticket a month subscription does not let you download very many scenes. I know you do not want to do a one price for everything model, because people join for a month and download everything they want then cancel. But how about a one price for three months and you can download everything released in that three month period, but nothing that was released before your start date. I think a lot of guys would like this model.

[tgcfc26]

This would require new coding to implement, and what do you set the price at ? Right now 3 months costs me £52 and some change, that buys me 120 tickets spread out over that period. As an average lets say each scene costs me 2.5 tickets, that would be 48 scenes I could potentially purchase during that membership. The least amount of releases in the same time frame would be 90 scenes, but more realistically could be 180+, that is almost 4x what the current model allows you to purchase, what would you be prepared to pay for that ? This is before even considering the people who would complain that they've payed for 3 months and most of the releases they're eligible to purchase haven't been to their tastes or liking.

[pastaga]

Maybe just a discount for members who wanna buy additionnal tickets (which are, otherwise, more expensive than membership) ?

[tgcfc26]

^That would be far easier to set up, and there would be more of an incentive to purchase additional tickets if our loyalty was being rewarded in the form of a discount during membership.

[dpconnoisseur1]

I think the model is fine the way it is except there should be some kind of discount for long term members. The free tickets that accrue are more for casual LP customers or leaches! If I want to see a model I buy her scene letting management know that I either like the model or the scene content. This free tickets is useless for me since I already purchase what I want. I don't wait for a year (or year and half or whatever management want to change it to) to see a scene just to get it for free. Get rid of that feature and just give long term members better discounted rates. Right now the discount seems to be for the casual LP customer.

[tgcfc26]

I agree with you up to a point regarding the free tickets, but at the same time they do serve a handy purpose. This website pumps out so much fantastic content that I honestly can't keep up with everything I want to see from a purely financial standpoint, at some point I have to draw a line when it comes to what I'm prepared to spend on porn. A scene that I missed out on at the time, or decided to not to buy because of financial restraints, will eventually pop up and be eligible for me to watch with this system.

I think pastaga has the right idea regarding this.

[joe1446]

If the coding is not that much of a problem ( I am not a computer guy ). I think it is a good business model. From what I understand, gonzo releases one scene a day, that is 90. Sineplex is building catalog to release everyday, that is 180. GG says he is going to be releasing new content every other day, plus his old catalog, so say 70, that is 250. Firstgape says they are going to be releasing new content, who knows? We pay $80 for 120 tickets, that is $26.66 a month. I think XXX could charge $149.95 and double his revenue on this model. I think that guys like me are not downloading a lot of the scenes because they are worried about running out of tickets. They could still offer the other packages for those who want them.

[magizi877]

Honestly their current model is terrible. It maybe sounded like a good idea back when they struggled to release new content, but with 2-3 scenes released every day, they need to offer better value to customers.

Depending on the content you like, with the $79.99 model you might only be able to purchase 10 to 15 scenes, of a 50+ scenes they release a month. That's $320 a year that gets you access to maybe 1/4 of the content.

Every other porn studio offers a program to loyal costumers that give access to ALL the content for a year for a 1/3 of that price.

IMO there are two reasons why LegalPorno is not the juggernaut it could be. They don't seem to have a marketing department and the stiff prices.

I think the model is fine the way it is except there should be some kind of discount for long term members. The free tickets that accrue are more for casual LP customers or leaches! If I want to see a model I buy her scene letting management know that I either like the model or the scene content. This free tickets is useless for me since I already purchase what I want. I don't wait for a year (or year and half or whatever management want to change it to) to see a scene just to get it for free. Get rid of that feature and just give long term members better discounted rates. Right now the discount seems to be for the casual LP customer.

this is just your inner fanboy talking :P

[tgcfc26]

If the coding is not that much of a problem ( I am not a computer guy ). I think it is a good business model. From what I understand, gonzo releases one scene a day, that is 90. Sineplex is building catalog to release everyday, that is 180. GG says he is going to be releasing new content every other day, plus his old catalog, so say 70, that is 250. Firstgape says they are going to be releasing new content, who knows? We pay $80 for 120 tickets, that is $26.66 a month. I think XXX could charge $149.95 and double his revenue on this model. I think that guys like me are not downloading a lot of the scenes because they are worried about running out of tickets. They could still offer the other packages for those who want them.

This is what I was trying to get at, Joe, at that price point he would be losing money and the content would suffer. You would be prepared to pay twice the amount you are paying at the moment, but in return you would have access to 5, 6 or even 7x what you currently get, from the companies perspective how is that an appealing model to setup or provide ? And again, what about the customers who would start complaining that not enough of what they want to see is being released, the forums would be full of "I payed for 3 months and half of this crap I don't even watch, I want a refund, blah blah blah"

Every other porn studio offers a program to loyal costumers that give access to ALL the content for a year for a 1/3 of that price.

We've had this debate on here regarding the competitions prices before and I think the majority of us would be in agreement that every other site pales in comparison to Legalporno with regards to the consistent quality of their releases, and has done for some time now. Quality of content aside, because of the setup of these companies that allow access to all of there catalogue for a fixed price, I can literally go on to any porn tracker and download a 0 day release from any of them, I honestly don't understand how they're not hemorrhaging money.

[joe1446]

I believe, and I could be wrong, that a lot of guys like me are not buying much of the content because they are worried about running out of tickets. So XXX is not getting this money anyway. I think if you give a way to get all the content that is being produced anyway, you will get your customer base too give you more money on the scenes. Maybe its an American concept, lol

[tgcfc26]

I don't think you're wrong, there is definitely truth to what you're saying. I have held on to tickets in the past waiting for the next big scene in case I miss out, but invariably I always end up spending my allocation because of the standard of the product. Irrespective of that, he hasn't lost out because he still has my money upfront, it doesn't matter how long It takes me to spend my tickets. There is a system in place to get all the content you want, it's just quite expensive. Going back to my last post, people will always want more for their money, but I honestly believe that the reason the standard is so high here is because the cost is higher than most. I'm in full agreement for there to be to some form of discount for extra ticket purchases for members, but a system that allows you access to everything would imo only damage what is produced.

[joe1446]

I understand what your saying. But would you be willing too pay more for all the content? If all the members are paying more then XXX is making more money on the scenes he is producing now, so why should content lag? As you know you can join evil angel for $10 a month or $89.95 a year. The reason is they have so many members. The reason we pay much more here is the content, if it goes down at these prices the members will leave.

[utopiaa]

Well, one of the problem is that XXX does not produce all scenes. I think Sineplex is now independed and XXX probalby takes some cut from them to use this site. Also Giorgios new scenes probably work the same way. XXX produces Gonzo and maybe FirstGape Studio ( not sure on that) plus the old Giorgio stuff he has paid too.

So to make it work on monthly sub would most likely mean way less scenes, plus they would have to agree how the money is split. I think the Idea of Legalporno is to be just a way for Content producers to sell their stuff, a bit like Clips4sale etc.

[pastaga]

I'm personnally OK with that ticket system, I even like it better than other membership systems. You just have to chose the best 10 scenes each month. And wait one year for the others, or buy extra tickets if you really want them all.

Thats why a upcoming releases section would be helpful, to not spend all our tickets in some releases when a better one is coming. (this is happening to me with the Lola Taylor scene right now, have to wait 10 days )

[Sir Noel]

The present model works and is almost certainly a fundamental factor in why LP produces masses of DAP, piss and hard anal scenes. They shouldn't fuck with the system and it is clear xxx is a businessman and will know not to.
That said, I agree their ought to be more incentive for long term members. I have subscribed to the 3 month membership for ages now and forked out for many additional reloads along the way. That ought to be worth some acknowledgement imo, perhaps in the way their arch-enemy the evil Mr Woodman discounts and rewards long term recurring memberships.

[dpconnoisseur1]

this is just your inner fanboy talking :P

I have no shame in admitting I'm a fan of LP. Obviously you are to or you wouldn't be here!

As for comparing LP to other sites this is a old argument with no merit. There is no other site with the hardcore content of LP, not even close. This includes quantity of hardcore content and quality. With those simple truths, I expect to pay more than other sites for this content. It has nothing to do with being a fanboy of LP but simply daily access to the stuff I want to see. Let us see DP being my favorite content in comparison with other popular sites:

• Hardcore Gangbang - a kink site that produces 52 scenes a year
• DP Fanatics - if your lucky you get one or two scenes a month
• Brazzers - if your lucky you get 20 scenes a year even though they release 3 or 4 scenes daily
• Private - concentration of feature films over hardcore scenes

I still believe its the best membership system ensuring you always get some of the content you prefer as long as it is popular.

[Mordecai35]

The only problem I have is that the required ticket count for some scenes seem random.
I assume it has something to do with the popularity of the model, and the amount of performers, but It's quite vague why some scenes are 1.3 tickets and others 4.7 ....

perhaps this has been clarified elsewhere but I've not seen any explanation.

[magizi877]

People, niche content is not the same as "quality"

A site that offers, what many of us would call "softcore porn" is not any less good because girls don't get DAP'ed every so often, of pee'ed on etc.
That's niche content. It's targeted at a different audience.

Quality should be used to when referred to:

Video quality, 720p is good, but is subpar to competition. Videos get uploaded to site without checking them. Video corruption, sound issues.

Pictures: Pictures are below par because, low resolution and color accuracy (smart phones have better picture quality and these people are supposed to be using professional equipment). Also very few pictures per scene.

Download speed. If you people don't use a download manager, videos probably take hours to complete. I mean without it, the videos download rate is about 300 kb/s

Camera work: Gonzo scenes suffer the most of this problem IMO, the camera man is always so fucking close, he is always chopping out the girl's legs and arms, sometimes the head. And whats even more ridiculous, when he zooms out, he is still chopping out the girl legs and leaves a huge area being used by empty space....

Website, the pornbox is constantly loggin me out, its a pain to navigate because you have to constantly load the next batch of scenes, which can take quite a while if you been following the site for more than a year (following and obviously buying stuff) until you find the scene you were looking for and by the time you did, the site logged you out and you need to start over. Scenes are tagged so inconsistently that really the only way you wont miss something cool is by browsing every page. Even now some actors are not credited in the movie. From the main page, if you open a scene into a new tab, the video trailer wont play properly if you don't hit play immediately.

So many issues, haha! I will stop here, because I don't hate the site and this might sound like I do. But I'm sure you all know many more.

[magizi877]

The only problem I have is that the required ticket count for some scenes seem random.
I assume it has something to do with the popularity of the model, and the amount of performers, but It's quite vague why some scenes are 1.3 tickets and others 4.7 ....

perhaps this has been clarified elsewhere but I've not seen any explanation.

The explanation that was provided was that the tkt cost is supposed to represent how much money was spend to produce the scene. And it's used to figure out how much money each studio gets back in relationship to how many times it was purchased.

IMO this way of thinking generates other problems. For instance, kreme scenes are no longer produced by gonzo because the sales figures were below expectations. But is not taking into consideration the people who were drawn to the site because X kreme scenes, THAT ALSO START PURCHASING OTHER CONTENT AFTERWARDS. Who could maybe never had been interested in the site otherwise...

Imagine this. Say you go out to an outlet to purchase shoes, but you are looking for a model that is very RARE because very few people want one, you get from outlet to outlet and can't find what you are looking for, until one day you do maybe they offered you to get it for you, from that day, you will ALWAYS go back to that one outlet who had the thing you were looking for and purchase more of their stuff.

I hope my english was clear enough, heh!

[dap-addict]

The only problem I have is that the required ticket count for some scenes seem random.

Its not random, but a direct hint on how much xxx invested to get this footage as far as I understand.
I teaches consumers that there is money to be invested to get your porn niche ready to watch, which is good consumer education.
Thus a gonzo.com dap with many studs shot just a few weeks ago costs more tickets as a GG dap shot 2011 in Piter (when dap was cheap and Russian studs were cheap, too) - also reflecting that he payed a bulk rate for a lot of GG scenes. I think its a really fair payment model reflecting true costs.

[xxx]

The prices are set at the minimum for the studios to be rewarded enough to release their scenes with us, with the current level of traffic. And that's considering they really focus on what sells best, otherwise it's simply a loss of $$$.

When the site gets bigger and has more customers I will happily lower the prices again.

[tgcfc26]

The prices are fine, xxx, but maybe if the site really takes off like you say, consider a couple of the ideas in here regarding incentives or benefits for long term regular members. (And bring Arwen Gold here pls )

[gapefan]

I agree, the prices are perfectly fine, and very reasonable. I don't feel they've changed much from what they've always been. With more studios, LegalPorno is simply making more scenes

And making more scenes is a very good thing!! As a consumer, I want more choices and more alternatives! The more the better!!

I also want LP to be profitable, so the incentive is there for each studio to keep making these awesome scenes! So whatever that price point is, I'll happily keep paying it!

In summary, keep making badass DAP, gapefart, and kreme scenes, with beautiful women like Arwen Gold!!! And I'll keep buying them!!!

[dap-addict]

otherwise it's simply a loss of $$$

xxx, nobody wants to have you loose money here!
I think the prices are fair...but please allow the other studios releasing under the LP wing to subsidize some worse selling scenes with top sellers.
On a long run I also would really like a porn customers education the way I described above, i.e. more expensive niches cost more tickets. Its just logic! Generally do you plan to sell Russia produced porn cheaper than Czech produced scenes?

[dpconnoisseur1]

I think the prices are fair...but please allow the other studios releasing under the LP wing to subsidize some worse selling scenes with top sellers.

Why would you want to subsidize another customers niche? I hope XXX doesn't consider that. A niche should stand on its own and customers should be willing to pay the price of their niche.

[dap-addict]

You got me wrong I think, DPC.
All I mean to say is that if SOS for instance happens to have shot something that doenst sell that well in the end xxx hopefully still lets him publish it provided some of his other scenes compensate that loss. Same for Giorio Grandi and the LP core team in Prague.

Of course every niche fan should pay the fair price for his niche - didnt you read my whole post?! For instance if there is a market for 10 on 1 dp piss gangbangs, they shall shoot it of course, but consumers should get educated and be prepared to pay more because of the higher stud fees (10 studs) etc.

[javeaabc]

The only thing I find rather annoying about LP is the unannounced continuous rise in price for additional tickets (11.7% in less than a year). I can understand the philosophy and need, and certainly the new content is worth it , but I still think they should give longer-term customers at least some notification (they have our e-mail addresses!), and yes I appreciate 'normal' member prices have so far remained constant once registered. With the amount of new scenes however buying 'add tickets' becomes almost inevitable.

[gapefan]

xxx is an honest and fair businessman

The "a la carte" distribution model he has put together is brilliant!!!

And as a happy customer, I would gladly pay an increase if it meant the difference between profitability and taking a loss for LegalPorno!!! Because I want LP to keep making $$$, so they can keep making these incredible scenes!!!

I can't wait to run out of tickets because there are so many awesome DAP scenes from all the different studios!!!

As a memeber, I'll just start buying them in bulk at 250 tickets each time, so I can own them all!!!

A few years ago members had more tickets than they knew what to do with

I very much prefer the new upcoming predicament, to the old one!!!

I may have to reach a little deeper into my wallet to get more of these amazing scenes, but it will be so very worth it!!!

[javeaabc]

xxx is an honest and fair businessman

The "a la carte" distribution model he has put together is brilliant!!!

And as a happy customer, I would gladly pay an increase if it meant the difference between profitability and taking a loss for LegalPorno!!! Because I want LP to keep making $$$, so they can keep making these incredible scenes!!!

I can't wait to run out of tickets because there are so many awesome DAP scenes from all the different studios!!!

As a memeber, I'll just start buying them in bulk at 250 tickets each time, so I can own them all!!!

A few years ago members had more tickets than they knew what to do with

I very much prefer the new upcoming predicament, to the old one!!!

I may have to reach a little deeper into my wallet to get more of these amazing scenes, but it will be so very worth it!!!

I don't actually disagree with you gapefan, I too very much want xxx/LP to make a profit through great scenes, I just would like some notification of price rises in lieu of the hidden increases, which I think is not a very fair practice -- wouldn't you ask eg a shipping company if they kept increasing their charge every 3 months without telling you?

[Tastes Like Ass]

I don't have a problem with the ticket system (as it gives them an incentive to make each scene as good as possible), but I do think that loyal customers should get more of a discount on reloads.

Another possibility I suggested a while back is to let us swap the free tickets (which are basically worthless for long-time customers) for premium tickets, e.g. 3 free tickets = 1 premium ticket. I would far prefer 10 more premium tickets a month than 30 free tickets.

Unfortunately, XXX did not seem at all open to that idea.

[ElJab78]

I don't have a problem with the ticket system (as it gives them an incentive to make each scene as good as possible), but I do think that loyal customers should get more of a discount on reloads.

Another possibility I suggested a while back is to let us swap the free tickets (which are basically worthless for long-time customers) for premium tickets, e.g. 3 free tickets = 1 premium ticket. I would far prefer 10 more premium tickets a month than 30 free tickets.

Unfortunately, XXX did not seem at all open to that idea.

I have to agree about letting us swap the free tickets. Many of the scenes now being released for free tickets I already have. I'd like to maybe be able to exchange on a 2-3 for 1 premium ticket. Or even giving an increased amount of premium tickets (There hasnt been any "Free Scenes" for members released since some First Gape Scenes in August. Even the last few First Gape stuff is all exclusive so not free for members. For anyone who is probably a member for over a month they easily could have downloaded all the free scenes (ie sineplex back catalog) with a fast connection. Would be nice to get 5-10 more tickets for being a member per month (Especially for those who are doing 3 month memberships).