Belle Claire

[YumYum74]

Wow. Had no idea.

[HwtOxc8K]

#FREEBELLECLAIRE!

[guaguancogomez]

#FREEBELLECLAIRE!

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[guaguancogomez]

BELLE CLAIRE PROBLEM

Czech company called Netlook, based in Vokovice, Prague, producer of the "Czech Casting" videos and other porn materials, was raided by police.

On Monday, July 13th, about 50 officers entered the company's office space, sealing exits, confiscating computers and searching for documents.

Netlook's owner Martin Stiborek was arrested, with others, 9 people total. They are charged with rape, coersion and human trafficking, possibly facing up to 12 years in prison.

The investigation by the Czech Organized Crime Unit centers around the "casting" videos. Police got testimony from 18 girls that participated in these videos, describing what is actually happening behind the scenes. The castings start as a modeling ad offering a few thousands CZK, the women then signed a contract which they mostly didn't read properly. When they realised the contract was about casting for porn, with high financial penalty for non-compliance, they were persuaded into sex. They felt frightened by the environment and the pressure on them, so they complied to get away. Some were forced physically by the cameraman, the police said. Later testimonies specified that the girls felt helpless, so they did what the cameraman said. At the end they got the money in cash.

The company edited the footage in a way that makes the girls look like they themselves desire the sex.

When the videos were published on the web and the girls were being recognized by friends and family, some of the girls admitted to having suicidal tendencies. Some of them left school or their city or left the country.

The police got the raw unedited footage from these castings, arresting also the cameraman, the company's financial chief, and others. The company's layer said that the girls cooperated willingly. The company made 1600 videos in last years, police is investigating the ones made between 2016 and 2019. The police were after Netlook multiple times in the past, not proving criminal activity then.

[dpconnoisseur1]

^I'm curious what Belle role was in all these crimes.

[dap-addict]

She was arrested along the Czech Casting crew, for what is most likely fake accusations.
Guilty until proven innocent. Gross as fuck.

Shouldn't it be the other way round?

Shouldn't they proof she is guilty?

Girls do all a lot of things for money. Later its so easy to claim they were forced to do it. Its all fishy to me. Dont wanna claim coercion doenst happen, but in porn in makes no sense. Sad fact is that police can't distinct between prostutition and porn, its gross as fuck indeed!

[g1ndude]

^^99% certain he's using the phrase sarcastically, DAP. Good ol' American sarcasm

But huh. Sounds eerily similar to the GirlsDoPorn case here in the States. Like, word-for-word the exact accusations.

Difference being I very much believe the accusations against GDP and I know very little about Czech Casting. But at first glance at least a handful of girls on CC continued doing porn (I see Mea Melone in there, among others) which I'm pretty sure didn't happen once with GDP.

So if I were to speculate, I'd say it's possible the Czech officials are using the idea behind the GDP case to shut down something they deem inappropriate?
But that would be pretty damn corrupt.

I mean if it's true then off with their heads, but xxx seems doubtful and it seems weird that a pretty well-known pornstar would be in the mix somehow.

Strange

[dap-addict]

I mean if it's true then off with their heads, but xxx seems doubtful and it seems weird that a pretty well-known pornstar would be in the mix somehow.
Strange

Belle Claire had different ups and downs in her career, mainly due to personal emotional troubles, her loving heart included. She comes along as level headed women who would avoid such things, but on a deeper personal level it wouldn't be first time she gets into trouble without really knowing why. She has a mixed record as of reliability, lets put it that way. But Belle has a good heart in core!

[Iddaoeeok]

Czech Casting has been around for a long time and dozens of well known pornstars have appeared on it. I don't really know what Belle's role was, she appeared in a few scenes, but I assume she must have been involved behind the scenes and if she was involved in model recruitment or management then I suppose the authorities would view her as being under suspicion. I can't imagine her getting involved in anything involving coercion and exploitation. It's a terrible situation, especially to be separated from her young daughter.

[dap-addict]

It's a terrible situation, especially to be separated from her young daughter.

This!

[steverino1969]

^^99% certain he's using the phrase sarcastically, DAP. Good ol' American sarcasm

But huh. Sounds eerily similar to the GirlsDoPorn case here in the States. Like, word-for-word the exact accusations.

Difference being I very much believe the accusations against GDP and I know very little about Czech Casting. But at first glance at least a handful of girls on CC continued doing porn (I see Mea Melone in there, among others) which I'm pretty sure didn't happen once with GDP.

So if I were to speculate, I'd say it's possible the Czech officials are using the idea behind the GDP case to shut down something they deem inappropriate?
But that would be pretty damn corrupt.

I mean if it's true then off with their heads, but xxx seems doubtful and it seems weird that a pretty well-known pornstar would be in the mix somehow.

Strange

I'd need to see the evidence. I'm skeptical because people often do things they later regret. In the GDP case, prosecutors allege that many of the girls didn't understand the contract they were signing. Whose fault was that? Some reportedly felt "pressured" because their hotel rooms and airline tickets would be cancelled if they didn't agree to have sex on camera. Again, whose fault was THAT? If someone is old enough to make decisions, she's also old enough to be held accountable for those decisions. Remorse isn't cause for criminal prosecution.

[g1ndude]

^^I agree about evidence but not necessarily about the rest. What allegedly happened in the GDP case is manipulation at it's finest and darkest, basically flying hopeful girls away from their homes and telling them they're going to leave them stranded if they don't fuck on camera. Sure, they probably should've gotten a lawyer to look at the contract or something but these are ignorant little girls who think they're about to become supermodels and make a bunch of money. What GDP allegedly did was fucked up.

Now this thing with Czech Casting, going by what guaguan posted, is literally word-for-word the exact same thing they accused of GDP. And again, if true, is terrible and should face consequences. But it is SO exactly similar that I find it particularly hard to believe, and I can't help but think there's some conspiracy going on here, and the fact that as Idd said dozens of pornstars came from them it seems like a totally different scenario than GDP.

[steverino1969]

^^I agree about evidence but not necessarily about the rest. What allegedly happened in the GDP case is manipulation at it's finest and darkest, basically flying hopeful girls away from their homes and telling them they're going to leave them stranded if they don't fuck on camera. Sure, they probably should've gotten a lawyer to look at the contract or something but these are ignorant little girls who think they're about to become supermodels and make a bunch of money. What GDP allegedly did was fucked up.

Now this thing with Czech Casting, going by what guaguan posted, is literally word-for-word the exact same thing they accused of GDP. And again, if true, is terrible and should face consequences. But it is SO exactly similar that I find it particularly hard to believe, and I can't help but think there's some conspiracy going on here, and the fact that as Idd said dozens of pornstars came from them it seems like a totally different scenario than GDP.

So, you'd prosecute the studio and its employees because a girl is stupid? Where does THAT end? Nowhere under the law is a citizen duty bound to prevent another from making a bad decision.

[MaxPayne212]

I'd need to see the evidence. I'm skeptical because people often do things they later regret. In the GDP case, prosecutors allege that many of the girls didn't understand the contract they were signing. Whose fault was that? Some reportedly felt "pressured" because their hotel rooms and airline tickets would be cancelled if they didn't agree to have sex on camera. Again, whose fault was THAT? If someone is old enough to make decisions, she's also old enough to be held accountable for those decisions. Remorse isn't cause for criminal prosecution.

Bro...thats extortion and abuse. Doesnt matter if the girl is dumb or not. Its a crime nonetheless. If you cant understand that...then i dont know what to tell you.

[dap-addict]

basically flying hopeful girls away from their homes and telling them they're going to leave them stranded if they don't fuck on camera.

Its all within Czech Rep.
Nothing is far, all 3-4 hours by train or car max.
Just saying. But of course there are girl who can still intimidated and pressured in doing things they dont want to. It would be really sad if it turned out true!

[avanfurwet]

Without knowing anything about Czech legal processes - it makes no sense to me that a single mum with a young daughter should be kept in jail pending possible prosecution for a possibly minor role in an alleged criminal conspiracy. Is she really such an important figure in this imbroglio, and such a flight risk? Doesn't seem right.

[xxx]

basically flying hopeful girls away from their homes and telling them they're going to leave them stranded if they don't fuck on camera.

Its all within Czech Rep.
Nothing is far, all 3-4 hours by train or car max.
Just saying. But of course there are girl who can still intimidated and pressured in doing things they dont want to. It would be really sad if it turned out true!

He was talking about the Girlsdoporn case (USA), not the one in the Czech Republic. There is no need to fly anyone here.

[xxx]

I think the police could easily find a huge amount of these CzechCasting girls who would happily claim they were forced in order to get a new "virginity". Easily 10%, maybe 20, or half of them perhaps?

However If they did use contracts with penalties if they didn't want to shoot porn it's messed up of course. I just find it hard to believe that they would do such a stupid thing.

And do they really need to lock up everyone while they determine the truth? Torbe was jailed and charged with sex trafficking yet those charges were dropped 2 years later and he was released at some point. There were other issues too.

[steverino1969]

I'd need to see the evidence. I'm skeptical because people often do things they later regret. In the GDP case, prosecutors allege that many of the girls didn't understand the contract they were signing. Whose fault was that? Some reportedly felt "pressured" because their hotel rooms and airline tickets would be cancelled if they didn't agree to have sex on camera. Again, whose fault was THAT? If someone is old enough to make decisions, she's also old enough to be held accountable for those decisions. Remorse isn't cause for criminal prosecution.

Bro...thats extortion and abuse. Doesnt matter if the girl is dumb or not. Its a crime nonetheless. If you cant understand that...then i dont know what to tell you.

It's not extortion or any kind of criminal offense. It's a business dispute, which the young women settled in ways that they later regretted. That's THEIR problem, or would you rather all women be required by law to wear burkas and only be allowed in public while chaperoned by a responsible male relative? Those are the choices. Either people are accountable for their own decisions, or they can't be allowed to make decisions for themselves. I'm willing to concede that it's ALWAYS a bad decision for a woman to become a porn actress, a prostitute, a stripper, or any other form of sex worker. In those jurisdictions where such work is legal, though, it's an affront to justice to arbitrarily prosecute those who hire such workers.

[steverino1969]

basically flying hopeful girls away from their homes and telling them they're going to leave them stranded if they don't fuck on camera.

Its all within Czech Rep.
Nothing is far, all 3-4 hours by train or car max.
Just saying. But of course there are girl who can still intimidated and pressured in doing things they dont want to. It would be really sad if it turned out true!

He was talking about the Girlsdoporn case (USA), not the one in the Czech Republic. There is no need to fly anyone here.

Both cases are being prosecuted, it seems, under the same dubious theories.

[xxx]

Without knowing anything about Czech legal processes - it makes no sense to me that a single mum with a young daughter should be kept in jail pending possible prosecution for a possibly minor role in an alleged criminal conspiracy. Is she really such an important figure in this imbroglio, and such a flight risk? Doesn't seem right.

Agree 100%.

[steverino1969]

I think the police could easily find a huge amount of these CzechCasting girls who would happily claim they were forced in order to get a new "virginity". Easily 10%, maybe 20, or half of them perhaps?

However If they did use contracts with penalties if they didn't want to shoot porn it's messed up of course. I just find it hard to believe that they would do such a stupid thing.

And do they really need to lock up everyone while they determine the truth? Torbe was jailed and charged with sex trafficking yet those charges were dropped 2 years later and he was released at some point. There were other issues too.

In business, people attempt to use unenforceable contracts or clauses all the time. It's arguably unethical, but not a crime. For anyone who signed one and who doesn't want to comply, the proper response is to NOT comply and let the other party sue you, if he dares.

[steverino1969]

basically flying hopeful girls away from their homes and telling them they're going to leave them stranded if they don't fuck on camera.

Its all within Czech Rep.
Nothing is far, all 3-4 hours by train or car max.
Just saying. But of course there are girl who can still intimidated and pressured in doing things they dont want to. It would be really sad if it turned out true!

It's not a matter of distance, but one of principle. Unless PHYSICALLY threatened, there's no crime. Stupid or weak willed people must be left to deal with the consequences of their decisions, just like anyone else. Those women who had sex on camera and later complained had a CHOICE. They could have refused and called Uber to take them to the airport, but they DIDN'T. Instead, they had sex on camera and took the company's money as fair compensation.

[steverino1969]

Without knowing anything about Czech legal processes - it makes no sense to me that a single mum with a young daughter should be kept in jail pending possible prosecution for a possibly minor role in an alleged criminal conspiracy. Is she really such an important figure in this imbroglio, and such a flight risk? Doesn't seem right.

I don't know about the availability or terms for bail in the Czech Republic, but in the USA prosecutors will sometimes seek to deny bail to otherwise eligible defendants in order to pressure them to cooperate. Perhaps the prosecitors want Belle to testify against the company and its owners.

[avanfurwet]

basically flying hopeful girls away from their homes and telling them they're going to leave them stranded if they don't fuck on camera.

Its all within Czech Rep.
Nothing is far, all 3-4 hours by train or car max.
Just saying. But of course there are girl who can still intimidated and pressured in doing things they dont want to. It would be really sad if it turned out true!

It's not a matter of distance, but one of principle. Unless PHYSICALLY threatened, there's no crime. Stupid or weak willed people must be left to deal with the consequences of their decisions, just like anyone else. Those women who had sex on camera and later complained had a CHOICE. They could have refused and called Uber to take them to the airport, but they DIDN'T. Instead, they had sex on camera and took the company's money as fair compensation.

Blackmail is a crime in most countries. Physical threat is not required for a crime to be committed.
But I don't know what really happened in this Czechcasting case.

[steverino1969]

What "blackmail" was alleged in either case?

[avanfurwet]

Without knowing anything about Czech legal processes - it makes no sense to me that a single mum with a young daughter should be kept in jail pending possible prosecution for a possibly minor role in an alleged criminal conspiracy. Is she really such an important figure in this imbroglio, and such a flight risk? Doesn't seem right.

I don't know about the availability or terms for bail in the Czech Republic, but in the USA prosecutors will sometimes seek to deny bail to otherwise eligible defendants in order to pressure them to cooperate. Perhaps the prosecitors want Belle to testify against the company and its owners.

Which would make the actions of the Czech authorities morally equivalent to the crimes of which they accuse the Czechcasting crew.
Petition against bail should be thrown out by a judge. Don't know what happens in Cz.

[avanfurwet]

What "blackmail" was alleged in either case?

Blackmail was an example of coercion.
Threats of public exposure, economic ruin, social disgrace etc. can be as effective for coercion as threats of violence.
The charges against Czechcasting personnel appear to be "human trafficking, rape or sexual coercion”.
I have no idea whether they can prove their case in court.
Either way, no threat of physical violence seems necessary for the prosecution to try to prove their case.

[alicemalt77]

https://avn.com/business/articles/legal/czech-republic-police-raid-czechcasting-offices-arrest-ten-885084.html

[lamboka]

From what I read elsewhere, they were released several days ago. Anyone can confirm?

[xxx]

From what I read elsewhere, they were released several days ago. Anyone can confirm?

Yes I can confirm, although it isn't clear if they were released because of the situation with the virus (it's exploding in CZ) or because the case has weakened.

Apparently the fines in the contract that were presented as "you signed that you would shoot porn so do it or pay up" was just poor "journalism". They were about getting your content removed from internet at a later point (I believe they were in court many times with girls asking them to remove their content).

I also hear the testimonies against them are changing and are looking less and less reliable. What a surprise... or not.

[steverino1969]

From what I read elsewhere, they were released several days ago. Anyone can confirm?

Yes I can confirm, although it isn't clear if they were released because of the situation with the virus (it's exploding in CZ) or because the case has weakened.

Apparently the fines in the contract that were presented as "you signed that you would shoot porn so do it or pay up" was just poor "journalism". They were about getting your content removed from internet at a later point (I believe they were in court many times with girls asking them to remove their content).

I also hear the testimonies against them are changing and are looking less and less reliable. What a surprise... or not.

This wouldn't surprise me. Many girls later regret having performed sex acts on camera. When family and friends see them, the social stigma can be suffocating, so it's no surprise that some will lie and make false accusations in order to recover their "honor." I've known a few porn chicks, and the only real problem any of them has had -- aside from certain business disputes -- that any of them has had with this work has been the damage to their "reputations." The girls I've known have absolutely LOVED most of their experiences.

Two girls I know who have been gangbanged on camera said it was the hottest sexual experience of their lives, but it cost them personally when their families found out. They told me they'd get gangbanged all the time if they could do it secretly, but it's too dangerous outside of a professional porn shoot.

Another girl I knew told me about her frightening experience that illustrates this point. She was a regular girl with an office job, not a porn girl. She did, however, like to go out and pick up random guys to fuck every now and then. A pretty young White girl, she found it exciting to pick up Black guys because of the interracial taboo.

One friday night, she picked up this black guy in Baltimore and he asked her if she wanted to "pull a train" with him and his friends. She said yes, never having been with more than one guy before, because the idea sounded exciting to her at the time. So she let this guy drive her to a row house in the city.

As it turned out, this was the hangout, or crib, for a drug gang. When she entered, she found at least a dozen Black guys waiting for her. Before she knew it, her clothes were off and she was standing there naked, surrounded by all these menacing looking dudes. Being frightened, without saying a word, she got on her knees and began to suck dick like her life depended on it. After a while, the guys began to fuck her and it developed from there into a full-on gangbang. Guys would come in to the house. Others would leave, but they ALL got to fuck her any way they liked. The girl told me she continuously got dicks in her mouth, in her pussy, and in her ass, no condoms, for over 14 hours. She got double penetrated several times and even once had two cocks in her pussy at the same time.

She doesn't know for sure, but she said she might have been fucked by 30 guys that day. Some of them came in her pussy, some in her asshole, but most came in her mouth and she was made to swallow it all. After it was over, she was driven to her home wearing only a long t shirt, no panties, no shoes, and with sperm still leaking out of her pussy and asshole, running down her legs.

Back inside her home, she took a morning after pill, bathed intensely, douched repeatedly, gargled with antiseptic mouthwash, then later got herself anonymously tested for STDs.

After all this, she told me that, in retrospect, she found the whole experience sexually exciting and the thought of it continued to get her aroused long afterward. She also acknowledged how dangerous it was and that she wouldn't want to risk it again, but wished there were a way for her to SAFELY experience another gangbang. When I brought it up, she agreed that a gangbang porn shoot would be a safe alternative. She said she would LOVE to do it, but wouldn't because she couldn't take the shame if her family found out. This is the kind of wacky mentality you can expect from young chicks. They want to get their freak on, but they don't want people to know it.

[Blue_Print]

Any new scenes with her ? On Twitter she wrote about a 4 on 1.

If not, do you have plans for new scenes ?

There will be more.

So xxx, will be more scenes coming up ? We all are waiting !

[guaguancogomez]

Please xxx if you can let her know that at least some of her fans were worry and that we are happy that at the end every thing is OK.

[gerdsen]

yeah wanna send her my love too. Its good that she is released from jail as you say and the case against her is crumbling and is not really that credible.

[BobbyC]

Good news that Belle is out of jail. I hope she is not involved in any coercion. From the little I know and see of her I doubt it very much. She seems to be a normal emotionally adjusted person, concerned about her personal relationships and doing the right thing within those. This does not seem like a person who would coerce other women. Plus she is so popular why would she risk her reputation. She does porn as a profession. I am glad she does.

On that note this is what I went on line to write and then saw the court case stuff. I watched the BTS section on her 4 on 1 gangbang. It was really interesting. When watching a shoot you see it differently. On BTS, they are talking about flats they are going to buy, have a cup of coffee, have a rest. They are all respectful, professional, work as a team. There is a definite lack of passion and it is obviously a business. What I didn't realise was that Belle is so busy and the guys not but at the same time she has to be relatively passive as the guys move between holes and hands. Also that her moans etc are genuine, as it must be intense for her, passion or not. Yes capitalism has thrown up this phenomenon. Like in the book Sex At dawn, a scientific analysis of sex, its just sex and the sooner we come to terms with that the better for all of us. Lets get over it and enjoy Belle. I think she is wonderful re her movies. from what I can tell she is too.

Lets hope the arrest thing leaves no damage. If the casting people are guilty of coercion then they deserve all that comes their way. I hope Belle is not involved in that way.

[Your_Neighbor]

#FREEBELLECLAIRE!

Immediately!!!

[Your_Neighbor]

Any new scenes with her ? On Twitter she wrote about a 4 on 1.

Did she really say that? Can you please share the link? I searched her Twitter couldn't find anything...

[xxx]

Any new scenes with her ? On Twitter she wrote about a 4 on 1.

Did she really say that? Can you please share the link? I searched her Twitter couldn't find anything...

Someone quoted some super old post.

[BobbyC]

Occasionally my mind wanders back to the legal case re Czech Casting. Its good that Belle is OK. The most important thing is her daughter be shielded from it all. I hope that Belle is able to do that. Also that they both have a good life together. Although I really like Belle's porn, she is stunning, it is more important they have good lives. We will miss you Belle if you stop. If however, it is affecting relationships (especially your daughter) and you can and thus want to do something else we as your fans support you 100% in that.