post '95 porn history & role of LP Sineplex

[netzerkaiser]

Been thinking about this & you can almost categorise. In any case role of LP /Sineplex has been crucial, chronologically:

1. DBM /Silwa / Private - '95 - 2000 - what I call "the wild west (when a dentists daughter from Prague would be happy to take 'drillings' off 5 guys from behind on camera)"
2. Hungary (inc Woodman & Rocco & Steve Holmes / Le Castel etc) 95-04
3. Czech 95 - 2012, (inc Woodman & Rocco & Steve Holmes / Le Castel etc) falling off pre-LP
4. USA - so hard to categorise... some great looking girls right through to this Tushy era.. hard to categorise
5. Euro amateur inc France mstx etc
6. LP Czech 2012 - 2020 of which LP played huge role (obviously!!! edit)..
7. Other LP 2012 - 2020 other nationalities (excluding ex USSR part of 9 below)
8. AHF & DPF etc 2012-2020
9. Russia - the vast steppes - where Sineplex & Devils film played huge role, & then the "Cherry Vision" era (of which Kessef is crucial), then the FAQ / ATA & the buttplays / gapeland eras, leading to current LP situation from 2012 onwards.

What a role Sineplex / LP has played in all this.

Kudos

[dap-addict]

My timeline has a bit different epochs, but basically I would see 4 dominant figures in Europorn since 1995 or end 1990, one of them being LP owner xxx.
Budapest 1995-2005: PW and Rocco still
Prague 2000-5: Robert Rosenberg and Bohemia Agency
Piter (Russia) 2006-13: Giorgio Grandi and his scouts
Prague 2014ff: xxx and Giorgio Grandi

Crucial point is Giorgio getting expelled from Russia and finding refuge in Prague, than joining forces with xxx and keeping a foot in Russian talent pool still, also thanks to SOS. Giorgio during his norestfortheass time in Piter show much harder anal scenes than average Piter porn traveller (Rocco and PW included). In 2014 he injected that work ethic into a pretty softcore geared Prague porn scene propelling sort of a revolution. This was helped by financial possibilities and support unseen to far, much better fees offered to the girls and much more jobs appearing. This tendency towards much harder anal was helped by SOS Piter shot scenes with really exceptional talent hardly possible to find in Czech anymore after EU accession. Thinks of Arwen Gold from end 2014ff. End 2015 was SOS move to Mexico heralding the slow end of that groundbreaking studio. But until them gonzo and GIO had stabilized as much as to carry on alone really fine with a yet harder anal porn offer initiated by Giorgio Grandi almost 10years earlier with his Russian girls.
Russian (Piter/St. Peterburg) part is more complicated and we see now old links surfacing again in actual GLab crew, its not only Giorgio Grandi for sure, Timo played a crucial role, Kessef had a part as well, but Giorgio is the most prominent figure really infusing Russian porn attitude into EU and not only importing Russian girls and studs.

LP (than consisting of gonzo, GIO and SOS studio) thus by mid 2015 set on an unpreceded triumphal march of demanding anal porn, noteworthy previously scarce porn acts like DAP. Just for instance look it this bestseller list of July 2015 to get an idea what I am talking about: https://pornbox.com/application/store/b ... ers/2015/7

Now 5 years later GLab studio Piter could herald a 2nd revolution IF they had camera people SOS had in his Piter and also Mexico crew. Scouting is almost at the same level, anal hardcore shooting craft isn't at the same level, but basics are still there. Save shooting is sure more difficult, but basically possible. What seems lacking is SOS talent and technical perfectionism. But a similar level could be transferred.

[netzerkaiser]

Great feedback Brother. LOL, sometimes I think, were you on Mastermind, choose an area of expertise; "eh ok.. European football 1920-1990, general European history, classical music's evolution, history of rock'n roll '55-'85.. & Europorn '95-2020'.. not a bad canvas!

[dap-addict]

Lots of mentioned areas wouldnt work at all. LOL!
But look, I am striving for DAP since mid1990 and basically after Euro Girls Never Say No (PXP/EA) and surroundings only LP catered for my porn user needs really. I am glad they were open to my suggestions the same way Giorgio Grandi was open when still shooting in Piter for his nr4ta. Trying the same in Bp was useless before. But LP success proofed right and Bp nowadays is basically the lier snail pool + Rocco. Porn moved on. Rest is history!

How from your POV does GLab prospect look than?
Is it really sth to think about or not for you?

[netzerkaiser]

Absolutely. GG has some class. I'll be very honest with you. I'm a member to support you - 99% of stuff I could get for free.. but it ain't right. And a key element in my choice was GG's statement on the NRFTA stuff available, 'if you can afford to support us, consider membership", I can't remember exactly, but it touched something inside. Your main problem, as I'm sure you're aware, are the 5-10 people who leech off your site daily & upload to various free sites, undermining all you do. In light of this, I'd encourage you to either go back to free ticket model for members or go after those who are destroying all you do. Thats putting it straight. Thanks for your time

[netzerkaiser]

I can't edit my reply, but you have to ask too.. & a man can only be honest: I don't like DAP. I don't get feeling models do in general either. If its a niche market being targeted, fair enough. But as stated in main theme LP / Sineplex has a huge role in pornographic history & thats to be congratulated enormously.

[netzerkaiser]

I think to epitomise what I'm saying, LP has a SUPER niche in Czech terms alone... think the one offs Sarah Gold... Erika Strong... Teresa (the beautiful!)... gotta add in the super ass of Romanian Akasha... this site never needed to go down DAP route for uniqueness, with all respect.. it was always the BEST.

[hjohjole]

My timeline has a bit different epochs, but basically I would see 4 dominant figures in Europorn since 1995 or end 1990, one of them being LP owner xxx.
Budapest 1995-2005: PW and Rocco still
Prague 2000-5: Robert Rosenberg and Bohemia Agency
Piter (Russia) 2006-13: Giorgio Grandi and his scouts
Prague 2014ff: xxx and Giorgio Grandi

I want to add Romania 2003-2009: Raul Cristian. The guy certainly made big impact on Europorn in that period.

[netzerkaiser]

Definitely. Thanks for that. I remember the Bernadetta scene... girl next door or what. Just to finish my emphasis, I guess, & it may be months before I post again.. its all about fantasy. You guys making your DAP vids comes, possibly from years of honest cynicism. For a simple (horrible term, I know, heard it at work) 'windowlicker' like me, to imagine driving through black forest & meeting an Erika Strong or Sarh Gold is what its about, fool I may be.

[foreddy]

would be great to include Christophe Clark to the list...

[netzerkaiser]

Clark is integral to the DBM I mentioned. Another great thing about Clark, for the common observer, was however well he kept himself, he did, he was modestly endowed, & it was no bother to him. Man, some of the ladies he fucked in that 'golden time'.. http://www.iafd.com/person.rme/perfid=G ... orgina.htm

[Addict-Ted]

My timeline has a bit different epochs, but basically I would see 4 dominant figures in Europorn since 1995 or end 1990, one of them being LP owner xxx.
Budapest 1995-2005: PW and Rocco still
Prague 2000-5: Robert Rosenberg and Bohemia Agency
Piter (Russia) 2006-13: Giorgio Grandi and his scouts
Prague 2014ff: xxx and Giorgio Grandi

I want to add Romania 2003-2009: Raul Cristian. The guy certainly made big impact on Europorn in that period.

When Raul linked up with Evil Angel, I believe it definitely helped pushing Europorn in the US. To me it took the Euro format, and made it more mainstream for U.S. consumers. We saw some girls at their peak brought to their limits in a different type of scene(at that time). For myself, it was the first intro to Mike Angelo & Ian Scott.

[dap-addict]

I want to add Romania 2003-2009: Raul Cristian. The guy certainly made big impact on Europorn in that period.

Yep, forgot, thats an important addition!
Also his mentioned EA link.

Clark is important of course, as JYL is and also Steve Holmes, but I concentrated on mile-stones, game changers like OP suggested. And netzerkaiser about DAP we dont need to discuss here, too, really. No matter whether you like it or need it or not, hunting for DAP leaves all those other porn sex acts and all those other porn girls you dream about meeting in Shvarzvald. Its just a driving force behind, like Raul Christians new much harder gonzo anal was a driving force behind new steps climbed, behind changes.
Important is to note that in financial terms neither EA funds nor PW were game changers but xxx was one. Talking strictly about porn only, no side businesses.

Btw, interesting in side business context might be Giorgios thewondertoys.com dildo manufacturing concept. But thats a completely other story.

[netzerkaiser]

I apologize sincerely. I was drinking - not good idea to go on internet then. If I could delete I would. Again, sorry.

[dap-addict]

You started a very good and important thread, dont worry!

This said, I was wondering about such a comment a bit, indeed:

You guys making your DAP vids comes, possibly from years of honest cynicism. For a simple (horrible term, I know, heard it at work) 'windowlicker' like me....

[VBT_2]

I can't see clear dominant force in any company as in previous periods but Sineplex is very important still.

What I would call a clear dominant force trough periods? Private - Color Climax Corporation - Silwa - Private - 21 Sextury. Sineplex is somewhere in a class of Greek productions of early 1980s, Magma, Alberto Ferro aka Lasse Braun, Italian productions of late 1980s to late 1990s in general and just a shy over very few others' (eg American) moments of inspiration. Some of them would be a benchmark if they were more involved (Lasse, let's say), other are there simply because of volume of decent materials they produced.

Recidives of Sineplex & co somehow didn't reach that. They don't have anything distinctive and unattainable to others beside something which I would call a lab-style-porn, development of gonzo-style-porn, and I see two main reasons for this issue. First, they miss a oportunity to materialize technical advance so camerawork could be easily outperformed by any copany which would hire same models for same acts. Second, it is obvious that tempo is too fast for crew of this size, so there is not good feeling of timing of scenes, movie direction and script or plan, nor some special inovations.

However, feeling of a huge potential is still there.

[netzerkaiser]

Sineplex itself is worth subscription to this site alone. If you doubt its importance I say go through list of models that appeared there. And the camerwork / production etc was so natural. All directly led onto the 'Omar' (another great name) of BPL & GPL. Sineplex was incredible IMO.

[netzerkaiser]

I think myself, the difference between 'now' & 'then', was that ladies, at various times & from various countries, thought the movie would disappear into oblivion & never make itself 'eternal' on internet. Today, I'd hope, everyone knows what they're signing up for, though I'd question the maturity of a 19 year old in making that decision. This I think is another critical factor in analysing the genre's history & evolution?