Avoiding painful anal: Set performance tutorial for LP girls

[dap-addict]

I start with this post from Giorgio Grandi in Julia Reds model thread.

Most of girls in europe do not have a clue about what "performers" means. Its a generalised problem, even on technical basics of porn (for example on what side of your face to keep your hair when the camera is on your right side) they are completely lost for the most.
Lets do not go even one more complicate stuff, for example DAP is a metter of technique and position, for sure how much the asshole is open is not a real matter.

Also, most of euromodel do not watch porn as way to learn something, this is a problem.

Now directors are most really busy or absent.
But some posters here and users know a bit of it all. Maybe we could get some basics together for our LP girls to make on-set work easier? What do others think?
Most knowledge is in this thread by magizi actually:
https://www.legalporno.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=96&t=17268&hilit=gif

aquin has a lot of fine posts here that could be useful for the girls for sure.

Finally sometimes I post some pieces as well. Some basics of how to get the right position for cgdp/cgdap for instance I wanted to post long time ago. Its a basic and crucial position
causing lots of troubles still on set. Footage showing it most experienced users will remember easily.
Girls may react differently of course. Most won't write in here directly like Kira Roller did after I suggested position struggles in her DAPbreakin' scene for GIO.
Fact still is she got much much better since, I think she took my post easy in the end.

I'll post 3, ok?
Shows you almost kaif on set during dap - until sadly your position gets wrong. So close, but than suddenly so far again! Roller coaster like live a bit - or like Kira Roller!

Hello, my friend! Here comes my personal sign for u.
Thx for all ur advices - I'm trying to keep 'em in mind, but, u know, my mind is so terrible small that every time I'm filming I forget everything...
The truth is that I'm newbie to DAP, and - more that! - I'm still not pro at anal. Besides these facts, all guys are so perfect, that I'm cumming as a machinegun - more also when I'm in pain, cos I love gaining it - and continue loosing poses...

I believe: more trainings will help me become as dap-addict as u want me to be. Thx for ur care!

Anyway, this kind of stuff. Just basics but helpful.
Thanks for posting!
Thanks for helping our girls!



Guiding Kira Roller into the right cgdp position:
Same is even more important and more complicated in DAP of course, as Giorgio writes OP.

[dap-addict]

For doggy position getting it right: Todays new post in the above linked GREAT magizi thread:

Giorgio movies have a lot of doggy footage in the movie, there are usually at least two segments with Doggy.
I love the Doggy position, so for me, that is a great feature. There are Giorgio movies that amass 20 mins of doggy footage split
in two or three pieces. But as popular as Doggy is in his movies, this style of doggy is pretty rare on his movies.

Legs on the floor, bent over on top of a couch.
This combo lets the guys perform a pretty convincing balls deep anal workout

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[dap-addict]

A few screen caps from each set - hopefully also some of the less seasoned LP girls visit that forum and this thread.
One more look at the cgdap/cgdp/cganal position.

Tiny Anita Bellini is trying to do her fist DAP scene in cg. First attemt in SZ774 fails because she's avoiding her upper studs cock digging deep by forming her spine into a hunchback, which makes it all basically worse. She does that in 3 takes and fails at DAP basically performing less than a min all in all. A few days later they try again and this time Anita stays in the lower back cgdap position her studs hold her in order to make dapping easier and more pleasant for her. Again she breaks up that position eventually, but she keeps it much longer and initially withholds the studs DAP strikes. Its made easier for her by breakin' her in prior to cgdap in a piledrive DAP position, quite tip fucking but widening her up still and giving her some much needed confidence that she can do the DAP.


sz774 - Linda Sweet (around 14th DAP) & Anita Bellini DAP attempt:

2nd take: Anita running into troubles very fast. (sz774)

Kid Jamaica doesnt manage to get her back into cgDAP position. (sz774)

Linda Sweet trying to help Anita. Instead of caressing, a tutorial to withhold cgdap position even if it first hurts a bit would help. (sz774)

sz780 - Times Bella (around 12th DAP) & Anita Bellini 1st real DAP

Clay holding her down in position ideally, Ian posing some extra weight to fix her as he enters her ass for cgDAP. (sz780)

DAPlust knocking at the door after 1min withholding the position (sz780)

Waiting for her eventual DAPgasm Anita bounds her spine again a bit and thus pushes her studs back.
But her full fledged DAP is done! (sz780

[dap-addict]

Poor Kyaa Chimera in GIO870...
Must have been a hell painful in that cat bench position!
She also looks so tight, muscles fighting against two dragons in her ass...

(more in-deaph later, but like this cgdap can't work fine!)

Neeo, FOGs press her back drown, or she'll creack! (Kyaa Chimera DAPbreakin' @ GIO870)

Btw, luckily for Kyaa Neeo not rock hard once again, but it sure hurt her badly anyway. Bad news for compassionate users!
This said, she dint stop the scene, no cuts here either, she wanted it and I do respect her free will. Kyaa went a truly big extra-mile for that 1st DAP of hers here, though.

[Roller22]

Poor Kyaa Chimera in GIO870...
Must have been a hell painful in that cat bench position!
She also looks so tight, muscles fighting against two dragons in her ass...

(more in-deaph later, but like this cgdap can't work fine!)

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Btw, luckily for Kyaa Neeo not rock hard once again, but it sure hurt her badly anyway. Bad news for compassionate users!
This said, she dint stop the scene, no cuts here either, she wanted it and I do respect her free will. Kyaa went a truly big extra-mile for that 1st DAP of hers here, though.

Cheers for the post guys. I did notice this scene when it came up. - Watched the trailer and got a nice hard on from the look and reaction on Kyaa's face. Looks like a really enjoyable scene. Think I will have to get this in my next spending spree here at The True Home Of Best Anal.

Yes - it's a lovely fact that LP still offers the most enjoyble and best hard anal. Top class solid ANAL. This scene looks like a must have.

Happy new year - MORE ALL ANAL for 2019

[dap-addict]

Cheers for the post guys. I did notice this scene when it came up. - Watched the trailer and got a nice hard on from the look and reaction on Kyaa's face.

Trailer shows her dap breakin' faces badly.
Its only good for single anal overview.
Kyaa struggles much more than that trailer suggests.

[dap-addict]

Poor Kyaa Chimera in GIO870...
Must have been a hell painful in that cat bench position!

Intersting to compare Kyaa's DAP breakin' with Ciara's in this respect since both girls have a very similar body.
Kyaa is 8-9 years older, but Ciara is obviously much more experienced in anal sex.
Refrence: GIO870 (Kyaa USmilf HIT) vs. GIO691 (Ciara Ftwen HIT)

Anyway, here is what could have been a remedy for Kyaa; but it needs the right upper stud of course, his compassion, care and readiness to intervene etc.
2nd cgdap take here at the end of a longer DAP workout in different positions already, thus Ciara being used to DAP a bit more, even its her first DAP at least in porn that shooting day.
Checking her nice gapes her ass isn't irritated much yet.
So far the basics.

cgdap take with care to lower girls back in high position, legs placed right as well.

Crisis moment still 7secs later, but Dylan and Angelo intervene very fast...

Angelo holding her back down, Dylan pushing into right position, all to avoid anal pain in that early cgdap.
Good problem management! :)))

[dap-addict]

Poor Kyaa Chimera in GIO870...
Must have been a hell painful in that cat bench position!
She also looks so tight, muscles fighting against two dragons in her ass...

Same in her presumed 2nd GIO DAP scene just released as GIO872.
Here editor cut the insertion trials later, maybe too hard to watch?
Its a pity, still.
Of course Kyaa struggles a lot, but thats on-set reality clearly approved by herself. She wants to overcome her difficulties and she doesn't step back. That has to be cheered upon!

Kyaa suffering just before breaking up her 2nd rcdap trial. :(((
Partly Freddy to blame since upon his 2nd DAP insertion he didnt adjust Kyaa's legs, nor really press her back.

[dap-addict]

Contast to this is would be for instance the 3rd DAP of Mina in her X-mas orgy scene for gonzo.
Here her savor is called EE and given his 20y.o. porn performer experiences he just grabs her lower back and presses her down.
With the right camera position you can even district wheter its DP, dpp or DAP. Could be far better and easier to make out whats happening, of course....
DAP here!

EE takein Mina into his vice in order to get her back in way appropriate position for DAP in gonzo X-mas 2018.

[dap-addict]

All examples so far show how much important is to choose a good anchor stud - not only for the actual fucking but even more for the vice he needs to put on the girls lower back!

[dap-addict]

And now for the real life (RL) sex reference porn romantics amongst us, i.e. those who always claim porn had to be close to real life and there girls wouldn't fuck in high heels in bed etc, thus in porn they need to be only naked too, blah blah:

So, in RL your girl would help you fitting into that position, you both would co-op trying to synchronize your both orgamsms as close as possible for best common fun, of course.
In porn the girl assuming that position for DAP (or DP, or DPP) may just at that point resent she decided to take that much better payed DAP booking because as far as previous 2-3 DAP positions went well, this one may start to hurt quite a bit. She'll thus try to hoop off and convince director to shoot another DAP position with her or let it all be anyway since she has already performed some DAP earlier. Director, however, needs this standard DAP position in his box! He knows that a DAP scene without cgdap is only a half-thing. He'll hope his anchor stud has the right reflex and puts the girl into his vice, he hopes his upper stud will place her legs to get her into an easier position, he hopes the upper stud will press her down a bit more, he knows he can't shout if his studs forget about it because if he shouts the audio is defunct again. He hopes there will be no drama after all. And he knows he needs at last 5 to 10min raw DAP material in this position to later cut a sell-able cgdap version porn users will enjoy and praise that scene for. Not speaking about the girl having better and worse days etc.

Its all not that easy and sure no RL sex scene at all.
Lest we take the cutie pushing that goo into a champaign glass after her porn fill and drinking it with a smile at the end of course. Thats happening in RL every other day! And just her wearing high heels instead of being barefoot and fully naked itsnt real RL-like. LOL!

[dap-addict]

edit:

And now for the real life (RL) sex reference porn romantics amongst us, i.e. those who always claim porn had to be close to real life and there girls wouldn't fuck in high heels in bed etc, thus in porn they need to be only naked too, blah blah:
So, in RL your girl would help you fitting into that position, you both would co-op trying to synchronize your both orgamsms as close as possible for best common fun, of course.
In porn the girl assuming that position for DAP...

Porn with a very close RL reference actually is here for instance:
But just imagine its only you and her, without the other 4 studs. LOL!

Trying to synchronize her fill-up with her kaif for maximum joy. She actually even reminds me slightly of one of my ex's. ;) (SZ1881)

...but now porn: You need her to fit 1 dick more into her ass and ride both of them for 7 to 10min first without milking them! Gotcha!

[dap-addict]

Now Sara Bell is without doubt a very talented anal GIO rookie, but even her in her 2nd DAP she run into quite serious problems in rcdap.
An anal sex fiend as she is Sara managed pretty fine in the end even anchor (tiny Tom) was of no use helping Neeo to tame her. Bad start with a good end!

Neeo trying to get Sara's back down again with all his weight after her cgdap position has run out of hand @ GIO857.

[davecjc]

This is important info - when a girl clearly is in pain and not enjoying it it's no longer enjoyable.

[dap-addict]

I start with this post from Giorgio Grandi in Julia Reds model thread.

Most of girls in europe do not have a clue about what "performers" means. Its a generalised problem, even on technical basics of porn (for example on what side of your face to keep your hair when the camera is on your right side) they are completely lost for the most.
Lets do not go even one more complicate stuff, for example DAP is a metter of technique and position, for sure how much the asshole is open is not a real matter.

Also, most of euromodel do not watch porn as way to learn something, this is a problem.

Now directors are most really busy or absent.
But some posters here and users know a bit of it all. Maybe we could get some basics together for our LP girls to make on-set work easier...

Let me post 2-3 pieces of GIO tutorial from his webpage which seem important additions to me:

(I want) your commitment (means, if you came to shoot your first anal, I aspect you stretched yourself properly in the previous week using some toys and do not land on the stage without to be prepared)

I expect every model that arrives to my studio is at 100% good condition. This means she must have good manicure, pedicure and hairstyle. I do not accept bruises, scars, marks on the skin.

I expect that every model that arrives to my studio is 100% ready for anal sex. This means that if a girl struggle at the first position I will refuse to shoot her and any travel expense will be charged on the agency (or on the model is she is a freelancer performer). Models that are not in condition to perform because of sore ass due to previous shootings have to cancel the trip before to came at my place otherwise we both lose time

[dap-addict]

Quite good cgdap basics min 18-25 on angle and lower bach position:

https://www.legalporno.com/watch/41251/7on1_bbc_dap_gangbang_kristy_black_gets_balls_deep_anal_dap_gapes_creampie_swallow_facial_gio981

...with Kristy Black being a bit out of DAP training after 1-mt shutdown break.

[dap-addict]

edit: Luckily no pain for Kristy Black here, but she's out of training and studs are fighting to but her lower back into a good graphic position as well as ideally aligning her legs.
Kristy proposes to bounce her now fatter ass while they dap her, but as soon as they double work inside it doesn't work anymore really.
Some quite comic fights to get her into position between 17.50 and rcdap insertion at 26.00.
Funniest moment is studs and Andy Casanova giving up and start to switch position to rcdap when a 8th new circle DAP bbc stud still wants to try DAP bouncing style. Doesnt work either.
One of the problems is Andy wanting it more graphic, not so much Kristy's DAP'ability.
But Kristy gets nervous the longer the trials last. After about 5min she just can't perform that cgdap fine anymore really.

Anchoring Dyland and final 8th upper stud trying to get Kristy Black into the right graphic cgdap position. (gio981)

Kristy hunch-backing to break up position, anchor dick gets freed, DAP pressure is gone.
This could end painful for a non-seasoned girl trying to get back into cgdap. (gio981)

[geralt_]

This is important info - when a girl clearly is in pain and not enjoying it it's no longer enjoyable.

Amen!

[dap-addict]

GIO1036 - Nicole Blacks highly praised most recent scene - shows how crucial it is that the studs press the girls lover back down at once when cgdap starts.
Its much better for the girl if they really keep her in position instead of allowing her the freedom to move in that position.
Its important to understand that not the girl can chose her position, but studs have to help her. The better a team they are the better they can avoid painful situations while still dapping her both and do it deep and fast. Result is most graphic and thus best for users.

Now lets have a look into this mistake:
Angelo helps Nicole to change position, the flirt and fumble to take her top off, chemistry between both of them is really good, almost like lovers, than Angelo as usual anchors her for cgdap. He allows her to align freely, she gets her position not ideal, her ass is a bit too far in regard of her anchor, not sticking up really. Than 'softie' Tom enters her ass for DAP...

Looks so sweet of course, but Nicole is too far away from her ideal cgDAP-entry point. Her legs should be
much closer to 45degrees, her ass lifted up.

DAP-ing starts for good but studs fail to keep Nicole's waist fixed. Tom doesnt press her lower back down,
Angelo grabs her shoulder rather than getting her into a vice.

As soon as Tom digs her a bit deeper (is Angelo really in her ass at all?) Nicole reacts with a hunch-back.
Position is gone! This cgdap take by 80% can get saved. (all caps GIO1036)

Now in this situation cgdap position can get adjusted right only with a really good and strong DAP girl able and willing to take some pain in order to get it right again. But most girls will hopp off basically. Here we have camera pinning into her face while all 3 involved struggle to get that position right again, but they simply can't fix it, price is too high. User gets a nice gape instead. Some of them won't have notices even as Nicoles gape is really so sweet. But the girl was in pain. And the DAP had to be broken up far to early, too.

[dap-addict]

Now how to do it right?

Michael Fly is her 3rd upper stud after Neeo and he knows from the scene start that Nicole is frightened a bit by his thick girth tool. Not but prospects, escpcially after she rejected him doing her in rcdap. He's a pro, though. Thus first he cares for her legs being in a right angel riding anchor Angelo. About 45degrees will automatically lift up her ass a bit. Then when he enters her ass for DAP he presses her lower back down with his full weight. This allows him to go deeper while having her pretty fixed. Its might still hurt her a bit - check her face! - but she'll get over that and into it.

Right hand needed to get dick inside her tight Angelo filled ass. Left hand pressed her lower back down immediately.
Angelo as anchor helps with position, but no vice needed here. Note also her much more favorable legs angel.

As soon as DAP-ing starts right hand is free and can help keeping her back down.

Both studs are pretty deep, Nicole struggles. But thats her job, she'll get payed well and she's also
hot enough for the studs to get over and into it.

Side view during a later Fly cgdap take. One hand still firmly pressing her lower back down.
3rd stud grabe her george bending her up and creating an ideal starting point for a manhandle grip.
Michael Fly doesnt feel it, though. (all caps GIO1036)

[dap-addict]

GIO1036 - Nicole Blacks highly praised most recent scene - shows how crucial it is that the studs press the girls lover back down at once when cgdap starts.

There's a good very pro example from studs side recently with Ukrainian early MILF Polina Maxim aka Venera Maxima in GIO1454. Its one of these Blackended scenes with the girl already pretty tired after her white crew DAP workout. Now in BBC cgdap is her 2nd position and rcdap had basically to be abolished already. Studs know she'll probably try to avoid another tiresome workout and who wouldn't understand her? This said of course the scene still needs to be shot and it this situation its just crucial to have studs knowing how to handle the girl with care to make it easiest possible for her, but also make it look good still.

First cgdap insertion is done by Oscar Batty with Dylan anchoring:
Upper fucker has to press Polina's back down, anchor has to help fix position lowest possible for maximum DAP effect and minimum pain.
(GIO1454)

This scene: https://pornbox.com/application#watch-page/147198

[dap-addict]

Same situation in next GIO Blackended release, but with a girl a bit less fucked out by white crew after 15min:
Eveline Dellai gets her cgDAP position right at once, no helping hands of Yves or Dylan needed, but she has her own tactic to avoid a real further DAP workout with the BBC crew.
1st take with 1st position = cgDAP here:

Make sure to check this scene also for her 2nd cgDAP stud struggle: https://pornbox.com/application#watch-page/149987 (GIO1472)

[jchenreal]

Very professional explanation，excellent！

[dap-addict]

Of course it can work also with wrong cgDAP position, but girl needs really to be a trooper and a real sub like Lizi Smoke for instance: https://pornbox.com/application#watch-page/150123 (GL223)

As sub as she may be, its still not sustainable on the long run!

[dap-addict]

Piter curved dicks add to the problem in cgdap.
GLab should find straighter tools to dap their girls, but good studs are scarce.
There's a new stud getting trained in currently but he caused some unneeded pain to Mia Sanders on his way.

[spiffodap]

Very detailed!

Can you explain the terminology to me though of rc / cgDAP etc please.

[Elodie]

If you do a thread on this subject do it properly.
I nowhere saw anything on the wrong angle during plain anal and that is camera from the right in doggie and then the male performer thrusting somewhat to the right in the rectum. This way it always be tipfucking a more natural way would be somewhat aimed to the left because the sigmoid is laid out that way a bit. Deeper insertion should be easier but 9 times out of 10 I see this go wrong on camera. Does no one study anatomy or what?

Here a great example of "not the optimal angle":

[dap-addict]

This way it always be tipfucking a more natural way would be somewhat aimed to the left because the sigmoid is laid out that way a bit.

Could you elaborate a bit? Ta!

[Elodie]

This way it always be tipfucking a more natural way would be somewhat aimed to the left because the sigmoid is laid out that way a bit.

Could you elaborate a bit? Ta!

So you've never done any anal yourself in real life?
I meant this:



In 99% of the scenes we can see the no brainer guy thrusting in the direction of the arrow as it would be more "natural" to do it a bit the opposite way, slightly to the left, just straight ahead would work as well ass the sigmoid tends to follow the dick a bit but thrusting to the right is absolutely the wrong way.
Note: this image is a picture from the front.

[dap-addict]

Guess my dick is too small.

Anyway, so you are saying dotzens of porn directors are wrong because they shoot anal/DAP usually from the right side instead of the left. Also lets remember we are talking about dicks not dildoes.

[robin_reid]

Many dicks are slightly curved to the left (mine is one of them) for that reason usually we shoot from the right side instead of the left. It’s better for the actor and he can fuck better, frame better, give better angle. (Also the dick looks bigger )

[504036255]

more plz!!!!!

[dap-addict]

Piter trooper girls show that DAP can be performed pretty well and intense also with a hunched back. But esthetically better and less frictionous is still bent back.

Here Mia Sanders in GL240: https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/150574

3rd cgDAP take by Martin Spen: Mia hunching but performing her DAP well still.

Last take with Diego as upper fucker - Mia finally reaches sbetter cgDAP position.

[dap-addict]

Went back 6 years to the so called Golden Age of Gonzo, but actually same problem in many scenes.

Here is Oliva Devine's DAPbreakin' (HIT) @ sz656:
https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/29020
Severe painful position problems in cgDAP.
Here 2nd take of her upper stud.

7th take is worst. Only once in the middle Yannik Shaft cares to grab her back to ache it a bit. But most of the time Olivia has to cope herself pretty helplessly.

[dap-addict]

Still some cgDAP back hunching in Olivia Devines 2nd DAP scene @ sz698, but the better team of cocks (Mike Angelo and Kid Jamaica instead of Ian Scott and Dupree) make a lot of difference. Still, Olivia gets deconcentrated by Lindas kiss and that pretty light slap and starts hunching again.

sz698
https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/29204

I'll have to check her 3rd DAP now to see how long it took her to manage that crucial cgDAP position...

[dap-addict]

Ok, it took Olivia Devine 3 DAP scenes to figure it out how to perform best in cg.
Important is not only the girls experience and trust, but really also studs tutorial.
Thus Mike Angelo presses her back down in sz698 and better even grips her back anchoring in cgDAP and holds her down. That should work pretty fine for Olivia in the next 10 DAPs to come.

(sz700)
https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/29209


Btw, about cgDAP a Russian trooper rookie told me recently: "Its clearly the most unpleasant DAP position, its not only awkward but a pain like with menstruation. You just sit there and let it get over you." - Its her subjective feeling with not best stud on top, though. Anyway, since most directors are guys and thus dont know mens pain, please make it as easy as possible for those brave DAP rookies, especially in DAPbreakin' scenes!

[spiffodap]

Maybe a controversial opinion, but i quite like to see the newbies struggling a but with DAP to start with.
It shows how hard they're trying and that it's not easy to begin with and definitely brings out some of their hottest facial expressions in the process.
Nobody wants to see them get hurt of course, but it makes it all the sweeter when they're then able to gleefully take a DAP pounding before long. Anyone agree?

[dap-addict]

I agree with you as much as I'd usually opt for the more natural resistance to DAP type of girls, especially with rookies.
Look DAP is a really demanding act and if they are not being blocked out, starting with it is almost always an uphill battle with some pain or at least mayor awkwardness involved on the way. In ideal case its a battle between lust and pain with the first winning the girl over eventually. But for sure DAP is an extra-mile for many rookies.

I'd put it as above with Olivia Devine: Most girls have to get DAP-ed in first. It usually takes them 2-3 DAP scenes till they get positions right etc. This said a lot also depends on the studs they get paired with, if they are clueless or technically weak assfuckers, DAP is really difficult.
Level of craft is reflected by DAP fee, btw. Its ofc much higher than DP, sometimes even triple fee.

Alexa Black just before some cgDAP pain hits her calling out the trooper in her. (GIO1596)

https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/153538

[dap-addict]

Just a nice example for mutual position understanding, ie. girl knows what to do.
Here its enhanced by the fact that upper stud asks her to fuck back herself in order to make it easier for her. Girl can keep her comfort zone to start that cgDAP position, and only once she's a bit DAP-ed in a few minutes later studs take lead again. Doenst work for all girls for sure, but with Mary Jane's it is a good option actually.

Nice smile showing her attitude.

(GIO1558)
https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/153634

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