Jon Jon

[eknbb2]

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Just a few points...

(1) Jon Jon is much better than when he started.
(2) There is a significant shortage of dark black guys on the site. I don't even think of Ed Junior as "light black", so he's no real substitute. Even Jamaica wouldn't be.
(3) The girls do seem to like him, and that always makes for better scenes.
(4) He's gotten rid of the stupid leg bandanas.

So, keep him until you get some high-energy dark BBC (which is rare). And if he improves even more, keep him either way.

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+1 This crusade against Jon Jon is getting ridiculous. I was speaking up against him earlier this year because I was not satisfied with his performance and he actually did ruin some scenes, but that's not the case anymore, guess what guys, things change and like in this case they sometimes do so for the better. In fact I'm really glad that there's at least one black male talent around, it's bad enough that they don't shoot bbc exclusive scenes anymore.

[realtip]

I was speaking up against him earlier this year because I was not satisfied with his performance and he actually did ruin some scenes, but that's not the case anymore, guess what guys, things change and like in this case they sometimes do so for the better. In fact I'm really glad that there's at least one black male talent around, it's bad enough that they don't shoot bbc exclusive scenes anymore.

If the only reason people have for wanting to keep this guy in scenes is because he's black, then that's not a change for the better. To the contrary, that's really damn pitiful.

[Symbalar]

Today, I watched again the scene of Linda Sweet and Kattie Gold, and Jon Jon made a really good work, specially with Linda in spoon, he needs to be directed like in that scene.

[Pineapples Studio]

Realtip, I've asked you this question before, and I will ask it again now.

Have you actually watched any of Jon Jon's recent scenes?

[crema]

What the fuck does race have to do with this? Who gives a fuck what color he is? The guy sucks. The whole idea that he should be allowed to keep ruining scenes just because he's black is not only idiotic, but also racist.

If the only reason people have for wanting to keep this guy in scenes is because he's black, then that's not a change for the better. To the contrary, that's really damn pitiful

I'm not black, so the "keep him because he's black" reason is not simply because of his color... it's because of the effect interracial scenes have in a lot of viewers. Seeing a beautiful white girl, like Sandra Luberc, fuck a black guy she most likely wouldn't date in real life is a BIG turn-on. It's a reminder that they're willing to fuck anyone for a price; a reminder that they are true sluts. It makes the action filthier and the scene 100x more enjoyable.

Someone like Mike Angelo or Clay, on the other hand, yeah, I could see Sandra dating those guys. And that's not as exciting, knowing that they could fuck her for free away from the camera.

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[realtip]

Today, I watched again the scene of Linda Sweet and Kattie Gold, and Jon Jon made a really good work, specially with Linda in spoon, he needs to be directed like in that scene.

He needs to be directed not to return to LP.

Realtip, I've asked you this question before, and I will ask it again now.

Have you actually watched any of Jon Jon's recent scenes?

My answer is the same as it was the first time you asked me. I refuse to waste tickets on any scenes with him in them.

I'm not black, so the "keep him because he's black" reason is not simply because of his color... it's because of the effect interracial scenes have in a lot of viewers. Seeing a beautiful white girl, like Sandra Luberc, fuck a black guy she most likely wouldn't date in real life is a BIG turn-on. It's a reminder that they're willing to fuck anyone for a price; a reminder that they are true sluts. It makes the action filthier and the scene 100x more enjoyable..

Congratulations! You've just proven my theory that the only reason Jon Jon is kept around is because a lot white guys still have a fetish for black guys. You guys don't care who the black guy is, or if he's any good, just as long as he's black and you can get off to your Mandingo fantasies. You've just kicked your racism up a notch.

[crema]

You've just proven my theory that the only reason Jon Jon is kept around is because a lot white guys still have a fetish for black guys.

You've just kicked your racism up a notch.

Just a couple of things:

(1) I'm not white (nor black, as I previously mentioned).

(2) How is wanting to see a white girl get fucked by a BBC racist? Racist against who... Whites? No, because I love the white male LP performers too. Blacks? Obviously not. So what the hell are you talking about?

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[Tastes Like Ass]

Some people here definitely have a bizarre obsession with race. How about if they take some of the good white performers and paint them black, like in the old minstrel shows? Would that satisfy you guys?

As for Jon Jon, he's not one of my favorite performers. However, he's not bad enough to cause me to refuse to buy scenes just because of his presence in them.

[dpconnoisseur1]

This is supposedly from Jon Jon first scene on LP. IMHO, he seems to be using the same intensity as the other males on this site. It doesn't look like Blanche or Blue Angel are complaining about him not fucking them intensely! If I recall correctly I think Blanche said, "Uhm, Fuck Me! Oh My Fucking God!" Which is probably great acting or maybe she doesn't fully grasp English well enough and meant to say, "You suck loser please get another male to fuck me!"

So like I said before Realtip obsession with the I hate Jon Jon posts seems to stem from something else! How can you say he sucks for a performer when you admit that you haven't seen his scenes and won't see them? I know I know you probably saw one just like I saw the space shuttle takeoff once making me an expert or an authority on that subject and can design one from scratch with a toothpick, yarn and a couple of screws and bolts. Even using the reverse racism card was hilarious wow how low can you stoop!

I just want males in scenes to (1)maintain wood and (2)fuck intensely without taking the focus from the women which is what I believe Ian, Cristian, Tony and Jon Jon do!

[coastin]

A good dark-skinned ACTUALLY BLACK replacement for Jon Jon would be Joachim Kessef, is he still working or did Joachim retire?

The absence of Kid Jamaica has caused a lot of issues with customers. I agree that if Kessef if available, that would be awesome. I dont know what they did with Junior but seems like hes gone.

[Pineapples Studio]

Realtip, I've asked you this question before, and I will ask it again now.

Have you actually watched any of Jon Jon's recent scenes?

My answer is the same as it was the first time you asked me. I refuse to waste tickets on any scenes with him in them.

Okay. That's your choice, but it means that you have no basis to evaluate Jon Jon's current performances. You haven't seen any of them.

The guy has improved a lot. He's not A-list quality, at least not in my reckoning, but he is capable of delivering the types of performances most of us expect from this site. He may not be Kid Jamaica or Christian Clay, but those guys are A-list quality - they're in a completely different league. There are only so many A-list male performers working in this industry, and it's not exactly fair to hold Jon Jon to that standard.

[realtip]

How is wanting to see a white girl get fucked by a BBC racist? Racist against who... Whites? No, because I love the white male LP performers too. Blacks? Obviously not. So what the hell are you talking about?

It means you have some type of an obsession with with seeing black guys fuck white girls, which is usually an obsession held by guys who ascribe to the racial stereotype of the savage black man and his "big black cock" (you said so yourself) out to ravage poor helpless white women. It's a stereotype that's been around forever. Ever seen the movie Birth of A Nation? It also ties into what TLA mentioned about minstrel shows.

And if you do, I don't really care. If you get off to seeing black dudes fuck white girls for whatever reason, then fine. But LP can at least find better black dudes than Jon Jon.

As for Jon Jon, he's not one of my favorite performers. However, he's not bad enough to cause me to refuse to buy scenes just because of his presence in them.

In other words, you just tolerate him. I don't see why we should have to tolerate anybody when there are a lot better guys that LP could be using in these scenes.

I just want males in scenes to (1)maintain wood and (2)fuck intensely without taking the focus from the women which is what I believe Ian, Cristian, Tony and Jon Jon do!

Jon Jon isn't even in the same category as Christian, Ian, and Tony. Trying to put him on the same level as those guys is an insult to them, as they are truly good male performers. That's like trying to put someone who draws stick figures on the same level as Da Vinci, Michelangelo, and Rubens. Yeah, it's all art, but not at all on the same level.

The absence of Kid Jamaica has caused a lot of issues with customers. I agree that if Kessef if available, that would be awesome. I dont know what they did with Junior but seems like hes gone.

Only with customers who feel that race is important. Again, I liked Kid Jamaica because he was good, not because he was black. As long as LP has guys on here who are good performers, their race is irrelevant.

He's not A-list quality, at least not in my reckoning, but he is capable of delivering the types of performances most of us expect from this site. He may not be Kid Jamaica or Christian Clay, but those guys are A-list quality - they're in a completely different league. There are only so many A-list male performers working in this industry, and it's not exactly fair to hold Jon Jon to that standard.

It is not unfair to hold him to that standard at all. If there are people in my profession who are better at doing my job than I am, then it is perfectly reasonable that an employer would select those who are better to do the job. If all those guys are better, as we all agree they are, then why is Jon Jon getting preference over them? Is it just because he's black and they want a black guy to fulfill some racial obsession? If so, then that's just plain stupid.

I want to see the A-list guys, but they're not being used as much, which is completely backwards and makes no sense at all. Also, you even said yourself that you would prefer that LP not continue to use him. So again, you're only tolerating his presence, which to me is unacceptable. Again, why should we have to just tolerate someone who is unsatisfactory when there are plenty of other guys who are better?

[Pineapples Studio]

^ LP can't use 100% fan favorite performers all the time.

[realtip]

^ LP can't use 100% fan favorite performers all the time.

Why can't they? There's no shortage. If Clay's not available, then use Mike. If they're not available, then use Vinny or Tony or Ian, and so on. They have more than enough guys to use.

Besides, they certainly don't seem to have a problem using Jon Jon all the time. I haven't done a count, but I'm pretty sure that he's been in more scenes released in the past year than any of the other male performers on here. It's ridiculous that they use him as much as they do. He's the least popular male performer on here, yet they use him the most. It's completely backwards and makes no sense. If they can use him that much, then there's no reason that they can't use the guys who are fan favorites even more.

[utopiaa]

Its simple, they use performers who gets mentioned the most on forum, so best way to get less Jon Jon is to stop mentioning him at all.

Also anyone else noticed a pattern on the guys Opium likes? Basically all has wood problems.

[Pineapples Studio]

^ LP can't use 100% fan favorite performers all the time.

Why can't they? There's no shortage. If Clay's not available, then use Mike. If they're not available, then use Vinny or Tony or Ian, and so on. They have more than enough guys to use.

LOL. I didn't say "realtip favorites," I said "fan favorites." You'll notice that there is very little agreement around here about which guys are good and which aren't.

Almost everyone agrees that Christian Clay is good. A lot of people agree about Mike Angelo too. Kid Jamaica gets universal praise, but he's been AWOL for over a year now. That's about it. Everyone else is contested.

At any rate, sometimes these guys want to work for other producers or take a break from filming, so LP can't rely upon them 100% of the time. They need back-up guys for the slow months.

I do agree with you that Jon Jon is clearly the least popular current performer (past performers have caught more flak than him) and it's bizarre that he is featured in so many scenes anyway. Then again, LP stopped using him a while ago and he only recently came back, so I guess they listened to us for a while and then changed their minds. He has improved immensely. Maybe XXX saw how much better he has become and made a judgment call to bring him back despite his past unpopularity.

[realtip]

LOL. I didn't say "realtip favorites," I said "fan favorites." You'll notice that there is very little agreement around here about which guys are good and which aren't.

Almost everyone agrees that Christian Clay is good. A lot of people agree about Mike Angelo too. Kid Jamaica gets universal praise, but he's been AWOL for over a year now. That's about it. Everyone else is contested.

At any rate, sometimes these guys want to work for other producers or take a break from filming, so LP can't rely upon them 100% of the time. They need back-up guys for the slow months.

I do agree with you that Jon Jon is clearly the least popular current performer (past performers have caught more flak than him) and it's bizarre that he is featured in so many scenes anyway. Then again, LP stopped using him a while ago and he only recently came back, so I guess they listened to us for a while and then changed their minds. He has improved immensely. Maybe XXX saw how much better he has become and made a judgment call to bring him back despite his past unpopularity.

Even if there's disagreement about which guys everyone likes, all the guys on here are still more popular among fans than Jon Jon. Sure, there may be some people who may not like Neo or Marcus or Lance, but they are all still more popular and preferred than Jon Jon. You even said yourself that Jon Jon is the least popular, which means that any of the other guys currently shooting for LP would be better choices than him.

And again, your statement that LP can't rely on the other guys 100% of the time doesn't add up when LP can apparently rely on Jon Jon 100% of the time. Why would it be so easy for LP to repeatedly book him, but not the other guys? Is it that nobody else wants to shoot Jon Jon?

The fact of the matter is that XXX seems to have an adoration for Jon Jon that is beyond comprehension. That's the only way to explain why he would decide to bring him back again, as well as putting him in so many scenes. I completely agree with you that it's bizarre that this guy is featured in so many damn scenes. It's now at the point that I just automatically expect that Jon Jon will be in every new scene that comes out, which is completely disappointing. He's the least favorite guy on here, but they're giving him way more scenes than any of the other guys. They might as well just change the name of the site from Legal Porno to the Jon Jon site. If you're not a fan of Jon Jon, then your tickets are pretty much being usused, as nearly every damn scene that comes out has him in it.

For example, he's in the new scene that just came out today, which I also will not be downloading. My tickets will stay where they are until LP returns to its senses and finally decides to get rid of this guy, for good this time. Unfortunately, I don't see that happening until XXX decides to remove his lips from Jon Jon's ass. I don't care if the two of them are friends and Jon Jon is in good with the boss. It's beyond frustrating to see this guy getting preferential treatment over all the other guys who are better performers than him. This is supposed to be business, not personal.

[tgcfc26]

I once held the same opinion of Jon Jon (to the point where I purchased nothing containing him) but as many have said here, he's massively improved and is a very good performer now. What baffles me, and this isn't an attempt to misdirect or derail, is the support and rating that Tony receives. The guy in my opinion is a fucking awful performer and one of the worst here. He brings absolutely no intensity or effort to any scene, he is the main culprit for tip fucking, and it's clearly evident that he has no interest in any of the women he shoots with. There was a woman who filmed for LP before, I forget her name, she started a website where she would challenge these guys to come and do a scene with her and then rate them on their performance, Tony received some of the most negative feedback from any of the guys taking part.

Like I said, I would have agreed with this thread at one stage but there's no way Jon Jon is worse than Tony or any of the guys with wood issues.

[Pineapples Studio]

And again, your statement that LP can't rely on the other guys 100% of the time doesn't add up when LP can apparently rely on Jon Jon 100% of the time. Why would it be so easy for LP to repeatedly book him, but not the other guys? Is it that nobody else wants to shoot Jon Jon?

You're being hyperbolic. Jon Jon was absent for many months. LP obviously wasn't using him at all during that time.

I don't think it's true that nobody else wants to shoot Jon Jon either, since he's worked for numerous companies in the past year, including DDF, Devil's Film, and Jules Jordan.

The fact of the matter is that XXX seems to have an adoration for Jon Jon that is beyond comprehension.

That's a leap.

That's the only way to explain why he would decide to bring him back again, as well as putting him in so many scenes.

Maybe he's just a really easy guy to work with? Maybe the girls like him a lot? (Actually, I know for a fact that some of them do.)

I completely agree with you that it's bizarre that this guy is featured in so many damn scenes.

We don't share the same disdain for Jon Jon, but I do think it's bizarre that someone who gets as much negative feedback as Jon Jon does continues to get regular work at LP. That seems counter-intuitive.

Like I said, though, there could be any number of reasons why that is.

I think you're exaggerating the issue a bit, though. Calm down. Jon Jon only resumed working for LP recently. He wasn't even in Prague for most of the year.

I once held the same opinion of Jon Jon (to the point where I purchased nothing containing him) but as many have said here, he's massively improved and is a very good performer now. What baffles me, and this isn't an attempt to misdirect or derail, is the support and rating that Tony receives. The guy in my opinion is a fucking awful performer and one of the worst here. He brings absolutely no intensity or effort to any scene, he is the main culprit for tip fucking, and it's clearly evident that he has no interest in any of the women he shoots with. There was a woman who filmed for LP before, I forget her name, she started a website where she would challenge these guys to come and do a scene with her and then rate them on their performance, Tony received some of the most negative feedback from any of the guys taking part.

Like I said, I would have agreed with this thread at one stage but there's no way Jon Jon is worse than Tony or any of the guys with wood issues.

Jon Jon has improved a lot, and I agree that with his new improvements, he is a far better performer than Tony Brooklyn.

I've never had a major problem with Tony, though. He's not bad, he's just average. Pretty unremarkable, really. He's not a very intense performer, but he's reliable in the wood department and he seems to have a good awareness of the camera, which is something certain performers lack. Tony's biggest problem is that, like Ian Scott, he is inconsistent. Sometimes he will turn out a good performance, but other times he looks like he's phoning it in.

That woman with the challenge web site is Mea Melone, by the way, and I do remember her giving Tony's performance a shitty review. That was funny as hell. It's called the Melone Challenge, and it looks like she's still updating it fairly regularly.

[realtip]

You're being hyperbolic. Jon Jon was absent for many months. LP obviously wasn't using him at all during that time.

I'm not exaggerating at all. His absence didn't last long enough. When he left, I thought we were rid of the guy. But then for some strange reason, LP goes and brings him back again. I'm hoping the next time he leaves that it will be permanent.

I don't think it's true that nobody else wants to shoot Jon Jon either, since he's worked for numerous companies in the past year, including DDF, Devil's Film, and Jules Jordan.

Yes, but those companies don't use him anywhere close to the extent that LP does. I don't ever even remember seeing him on DDF at all. If he's on there, it must have been a long time ago, especially considering that they don't use American performers. For that matter, neither does LP, which makes his presence here even more strange as he's the only one. Even with American companies, they only shoot him sporadically. This is in complete contrast to LP which has now made him the most featured male performer on the site, which is ironic since he's also the least popular.

Maybe he's just a really easy guy to work with? Maybe the girls like him a lot? (Actually, I know for a fact that some of them do.)

I'm sure he's probably a nice, friendly guy and that people like him. However, I'm not concerned about his personality or how friendly he is. As an LP-level male performer, he sucks. Again, this isn't supposed to be personal. There are a whole lot of pornstars who are really nice guys, but if they're not as good at their job as other male performers are, then they shouldn't be shooting.

I think you're exaggerating the issue a bit, though. Calm down. Jon Jon only resumed working for LP recently. He wasn't even in Prague for most of the year.

How am I exaggerating when you yourself agreed that he's getting more work than one would reasonably expect that he should be getting? It's not an exaggeration that he's the least popular guy on the site, but is being featured in many more scenes than the most popular guys. How else would you explain that other than blatant preferential treatment?

Like I said, I would have agreed with this thread at one stage but there's no way Jon Jon is worse than Tony or any of the guys with wood issues.

I don't know which guys you're referring to as having wood issues, but Jon Jon is by far the worst male performer on LP. I can't think of a single one who is worse than him. I also find it strange that it's nearly unanimous that he was an awful performer, and LP brought him back anyway. Once a bad performer is gone, you don't bring him back again. That's just insane.

Jon Jon has improved a lot, and I agree that with his new improvements, he is a far better performer than Tony Brooklyn.

Tony Brooklyn would have to be pretty damn terrible for that to be the case, and I don't think he is. Jon Jon isn't a far better performer than anybody.

That woman with the challenge web site is Mea Melone, by the way, and I do remember her giving Tony's performance a shitty review. That was funny as hell. It's called the Melone Challenge, and it looks like she's still updating it fairly regularly.

I've never heard of this before, but I wouldn't trust any woman who challenges men to fuck her just so she can rate their performance. That's just plain skanky.

[cyberhog59]

I just don't like the dude. True, the stupid bandana is gone, but just the very idea that he would wear it in the first place galls me. This asshole is ugly and repulses me personally. That being said, I've softened my stance on him thanks to your prolific arguments and the fact that fucking Linda Sweet and Blanche Bradbury are in the latest scene with him. I don't know what blackmail this rat faced mongrel has on the powers that be here on LP, but if you insist on using this ugly mfer, please don't show his face. Use him like he's a meat puppet, because that's all he really is. And don't credit him in a scene either. Rat faced rabid mongrel.....

[crema]

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^ I like it when the guys are unattractive. Seeing a beautiful euro girl fuck a guy she wouldn't date in real life is a BIG turn-on. It's a reminder that they're willing to fuck anyone for a price; a reminder that they are true sluts. It makes the action filthier and the scene 100x more enjoyable.

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[USfans_are_retards]

what a joke. A troll who isn´t even a member of LP wants to dictate what studs the members have to watch. what a joke.

[Moehre29]

what a joke. A troll who isn´t even a member of LP wants to dictate what studs the members have to watch. what a joke.

Yeah, this guy smokes too much of his own shit.

Everyone knows, he is a troll. Therefore, ignore him.

[J.J.619]

Few of you keyboard warriors realtip,cyberhog,an few haters goin too far with the shit talkin an dont even personally know the man u speakin on an make "Major" assumptions as facts cus its what you think is goin on, you people dont know shit that happens on set before camera rolls an during caus you not there, yall want to say he suck, not good, get rid, why hire him etc..blah fuckin blah,, what you dont see before camera rolls is the girls telling male talent to fuck them a certain way givin 'their' rules do's an don'ts to talent an director, when they stop mid scene cus hurt, cryin all kinds of shit happens before an during sets, so in scenes when talent aint fuckin hard, wild, etc.. Its cus its the girls decision or its a new girl, female talent have more power in a scene than any of you know or realize, some guys theyl let be aggressive with them fuck hard etc..an some not due to sizes primarily or wtvr they feel of male talent,the man yall speakin on is aggressive personally not fakin or tryna b sum1 else but has to restrain himself due to female talents request cus its anal an size is involved, so when some of you say he timid acting, energy blah blah etc..its a reason for it, no one afraid to manhandle its just certain girls wont allow it an it haults production when they feel its a problem,also color plays a role at times cus some chics who have not fucked blk man fear the size goin in their ass an the ones that like it you see getin fucked harder, more intense etc.., as for male talent every1 has their own styles of what they do each good at what they do,every male talent has had many off days,"that includes guys yall feel are top guys" their performin wasnt good certain days but you as viewers at times cant see due to editing an u not on set, no one sux or is awful unless they have constant wood issues an cant hold positions then due that an if chic dont like guy the male is dropped an not used anymore,,regardless of yall hate the man keeps strong an holds positions an girls like to work with so return trips are made,also what yall dont know is the man has been round many years before appeared in europe worked for manyy companies thru years including kink.com which is intense hard shit,evil angel, many companies won AVN awards etc..so thers known wrk even tho yall may not know of the work, its called google to see shit, tired of hearing dumb ass rants an you people have no clue of anything jus running your mouths,also i see yall praising certain guys that actually arnt always aggressive beatin up girl an flow etc..i personally know jamaica an others they not tryna destroy girl an catch no shit bout it But when a talent who aint them do it yall wana say they suck not good, gtfoh with that bs, some of you haters focus on the dick wayy too much which to me means your primarily into men or you bi, a straight man focuses on girl not makin 100s comment on guy unless they just mad it aint them, anyway legal aint easy to work for so i feel if you haters gona talk all this shit mr. Realtip,cyberhog, an u other side haters then go apply to do a scene at legal an do the mans job, show every1 how it should be done an how much better you are than the man since yall experts on who good an aint good an speak so down on individuals an a blog can be created here on how each of you did, an if you scared to go do the job an make 100s excuses why cant make it or b on cam etc.. then your cowards an should shut the fuck up an critique your own personal lame jobs an worry bout your own lousy lives an just be "viewers" shut up an spend your rent $ on these hot girls

[cyberhog59]

We're the customer, we have every right to our opinion.

[Slippery Pete]

LOL

Looks like Jon Jon finally joined the forum.

[Pineapples Studio]

I've always said that if Jon Jon ever registered here and gave us a piece of his mind, we'd deserve it. This forum is pretty goddamn awful to the performers.

Remember when Misha Cross and Samantha Bentley used to post here? Remember why they stopped?

Having an opinion is one thing. IMO, it's okay to say that you prefer certain performers over others. Some constructive criticism of a performer's style (whether they're male or female) is also fine. Jon Jon has been criticized a lot on here, and that in and of itself is fine...

But when criticism balloons into personal attacks and insults, that's when it crosses the line, and people have been treating Jon Jon like dog shit on this forum with absolutely no basis. There's no need for that kind of behavior.

It's fine to say you prefer other guys over Jon Jon. It's fine to point out areas where you think Jon Jon could improve. But all of these personal attacks are completely out of line. You don't even know the guy. None of us do.

To date, this forum has managed to piss off three LP performers with our behavior - and those are just the ones that have registered here to tell us personally. What does that say about us?

[magizi877]

Reading through that wall of text was hurting my eyes... LOL.

Anyways, IMO people who work in this kind of business (you know those who pretty much have no privacy i.e. actors, musicians, politicians, etc, etc.) should know that haters are gonna hate, and those people tend to make a lot of noise. So, just learn to deal with it and continue banging women on camera. HEH!

[crema]

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You've gotten much better, Jon Jon. At the moment you're the only BBC at LP, so keep giving it to our girls.

I loved your recent 2-on-1 with Lindsey Olsen and Mike Angelo. You've done Lindsey 3 times now, but never with kreme. Please ask LP to make it happen.

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[angelnomiluvr]

I hear what he is saying. Besides the fact that it sounds like he took it personally (most of us would), perhaps most of the blame doesn't belong on the guy. We don't know what is said, decided or directed behind the scenes by the girl(s), director or some producer or other person on set. Perhaps what seems like timid performance is not up to him, or whoever is performing the scene.

We can say we don't like scenes or movies with whatever particular model or guy, but let's keep it from being personal, when we don't really know the facts.

[Pineapples Studio]

It's almost impossible not to take direct personal attacks personally. None of us can hold that against Jon Jon. One of us even called him a "rat faced mongrel".

[Slippery Pete]

This thread is just one big mess tbh, not even sure why it's still open at this point.

[angelnomiluvr]

It's almost impossible not to take direct personal attacks personally. None of us can hold that against Jon Jon. One of us even called him a "rat faced mongrel".

It's not impossible. It's just most people don't have enough self-control of their feelings to not be hurt. But I have to agree with Slippery Pete, let's close this thread.