Kinuski

[robin_reid]

Performers don't work for LP, they work for studios like GG, Gonzo, IV, DDF, etc and LP is just a tour, it's not even a production. But seems that she is ignorant because there was already 3 published scenes at LP before than this one.

[mastercloth]

Btw yesterday her agent (already former agent, she also blocked her) told me that if the scene was for LP it's 1000€ her rate. It means that if pay 1000€ not depressed?? She say that doesn't wanna work for LP because working for this company she will lose other works (which is not true) but if pay her 1000€ then she works?? WTF??

Here the main culprits for "her depression for have been worked for LP" are the people who have fillfed her head of bullshits against Legalporno.

She was already a girl under medication with depression problems (I was informed yesterday about it)

2 days before than me, she shot another bga for Private brand that if the company wants, it can be published at LP site. It doesn't make sense all this drama.

Wow, she could be a star with the right people behind her. Fuck Woodman.

[BlueShadow]

however, maybe people should get better informed. Here they produce their own content internally, but it is also a platform that sells external content.
I have never seen a director or actor complain about his film being sold on Amazon or other online retailers...
Of course there are some "people" always ready to put in bad light some "competitor.

[BlueShadow]

Wow, she could be a star with the right people behind her. Fuck Woodman.

In a way she already did it. And confessed her true feeling. For sure saying "it's another level compared to...' is not a compliment XD

[robin_reid]

If she hadn't been brainwashed, now she wouldn't suffer all this absurd drama. For fuck sake, what she shot it's just a fucking 1o1!!

[mastercloth]

If she hadn't been brainwashed, now she wouldn't suffer all this absurd drama. For fuck sake, what she shot it's just a fucking 1o1!!

That policewoman scene shows how much potential she has, she's a top tier performer. A natural.

Shame she will never get the Giorgio DAP treatment.

[robin_reid]

With Kinuski I filled out the same mandatory paperwork I do when I produce for Mindgeek brands, it is a bunch of sheets and with several specific things regarding id pics, printed and signed id's etc etc that only MG ask for, they don't publish any scenes without their paperwork rules. This scene could have appeared on RK or Brazzers. In 2018 I shot an scene with Nacho Vidal and Canela Skin very similar to this one, free style, pure anal gonzo that was finally published on Brazzers.

I not cheated Kinuski as Woodman say!! and much less I said that the scene was for Private!! Her agent NEVER told me nothing about LP!! Agent just asked me for which company is the scene, and I said that it is for my company, which that's the true, because Kinuski worked for me, not for LP or for Giorgio, and on the paperwork that she signed what appear is my name as a producer full corporate name!!

[robin_reid]

The message from her agent 3 days before the shooting on march 04th. Where you see that I say that the scene is for Private?

What Woodman say in his forum is not true.

[YumYum74]

Well, I would have liked to see her again, but it doesn't look that's very likely.

Either way Robin, charge your phone.

[robin_reid]

Well, I would have liked to see her again, but it doesn't look that's very likely.

Never we know... but yes, it looks like that the brainwash with her was very very effective, very strong, to such an extent that she has even gotten depressed for seeing this work published on Legalporno.

Either way Robin, charge your phone.

My charger is broken, waiting till tomorrow to get a new one ))

[Moxoxo]

The message from her agent 3 days before the shooting on march 04th. Where you see that I say that the scene is for Private?

What Woodman say in his forum is not true.

Should be shooting soon with Robin Reid...right?

Why you suppose that? for now I’m not going to shoot her for LP

Then you got her and bang ... Sold to ło...

[Moxoxo]

With Kinuski I filled out the same mandatory paperwork I do when I produce for Mindgeek brands, it is a bunch of sheets and with several specific things regarding id pics, printed and signed id's etc etc that only MG ask for, they don't publish any scenes without their paperwork rules. This scene could have appeared on RK or Brazzers. In 2018 I shot an scene with Nacho Vidal and Canela Skin very similar to this one, free style, pure anal gonzo that was finally published on Brazzers.

I not cheated Kinuski as Woodman say!! and much less I said that the scene was for Private!! Her agent NEVER told me nothing about LP!! Agent just asked me for which company is the scene, and I said that it is for my company, which that's the true, because Kinuski worked for me, not for LP or for Giorgio, and on the paperwork that she signed what appear is my name as a producer full corporate name!!

So are the papers Important

I know that many times it’s just a paper with no value what they sign and that models can change agency when they want even if they have agreed 1 year or so. What I want to highlight is the lack of respect between agencies.

or not ?

[g1ndude]

Can I just point out that nowhere does she say anything about it being because of the scene on here? We're just speculating because she said something about Woodman at one point? Blue Shadow coming in hot with the outlandish guesses again.

Unless someone has confirmation why are we making such a big deal out of this?

[robin_reid]

With Kinuski I filled out the same mandatory paperwork I do when I produce for Mindgeek brands, it is a bunch of sheets and with several specific things regarding id pics, printed and signed id's etc etc that only MG ask for, they don't publish any scenes without their paperwork rules. This scene could have appeared on RK or Brazzers. In 2018 I shot an scene with Nacho Vidal and Canela Skin very similar to this one, free style, pure anal gonzo that was finally published on Brazzers.

I not cheated Kinuski as Woodman say!! and much less I said that the scene was for Private!! Her agent NEVER told me nothing about LP!! Agent just asked me for which company is the scene, and I said that it is for my company, which that's the true, because Kinuski worked for me, not for LP or for Giorgio, and on the paperwork that she signed what appear is my name as a producer full corporate name!!

So are the papers Important

I know that many times it’s just a paper with no value what they sign and that models can change agency when they want even if they have agreed 1 year or so. What I want to highlight is the lack of respect between agencies.

or not ?

moxoxo let's not mix things up and stray from the topic. My second comment was about agencies in another thread, a totally different thing than a contract from an audiovisual porn production

[robin_reid]

Can I just point out that nowhere does she say anything about it being because of the scene on here? We're just speculating because she said something about Woodman at one point? Blue Shadow coming in hot with the outlandish guesses again.

Unless someone has confirmation why are we making such a big deal out of this?

She is upset and depressed for this scene, her agent told me that, and Woodman is talking about it in his forum, and telling lies like that I said that this scene was for Private which is not true.

[ampl]

One of the few times there's a nice picture set.

Can we 4K version of the pictures?

[g1ndude]

Can I just point out that nowhere does she say anything about it being because of the scene on here? We're just speculating because she said something about Woodman at one point? Blue Shadow coming in hot with the outlandish guesses again.

Unless someone has confirmation why are we making such a big deal out of this?

She is upset and depressed for this scene, her agent told me that, and Woodman is talking about it in his forum, and telling lies like that I said that this scene was for Private which is not true.

Alright then. Fair enough.

Fuckin Woodman

[Moxoxo]

Isn't private owned by WGCZ ? So at the end od the day the same Guys pays the bills.

[robin_reid]

Isn't private owned by WGCZ ? So at the end od the day the same Guys pays the bills.

That's it. At the end of the day basically she was paid from the same owner on both anal scenes she shot in Barcelona for Private and for me, and from the same owner for the DDF scenes she shot in Budapest, I don't know now if she also worked for Bangbros during her tour in Barcelona, but if so, she also was paid for same owner.

What is happening in europorn is really regrettable. That an easy girl to influence is now upset and depressed because someone has brainwashed her by speaking bad things against a site (LP) is something that shouldn't happen. She thinks that it is something terrible to appear or work on LP, and according to her agent she thinks that she will lose jobs, and all this shit because a mental deranged with skills and power for manipulation has told her that, and she has believed it.

[Caristico]

Days later I decided to sell this scene to Giorgio,

Do you mind if i show here a screenshot of a message you wrote to me?
Or are you afraid of loosing your image of telling no lies to models or here on the forum?

[avanfurwet]

Sorry if Kinuski thought (right or wrong) that her shoot would appear on Private. I can understand that if she's depressed then any apparent setbacks seem like mountains not molehills.

Problem is, if she's really depressive and not just creating drama, then many and much worse things can/will happen in this business and if she's not tough and resilient then she will get badly hurt by others in future. Hope she's OK.

FWIW I think Robin has a big business interest in honest dealing with Gio and xxx so he wouldn't want to risk a bad reputation with models (cf. what happened to Sineplex guy).
I also think PW is playing his own game for his own reasons and models should receive his friendly advice with their eyes wide open.

Not sure if Kinuski even knows what content is sold on PornBox? e.g. DDF/Pornworld (including Kinuski scenes), Girls Gone Wild, Outside The Studio, etc.

Also, is there any credible evidence of a model actually losing bookings elsewhere because she appeared on LP/PornBox? Or is this just a scare tactic being used by a wannabe competitor/shit-stirrer?

For example, AFAIK Selvaggia's first ever shootings were hard bdsm themed scenes at LP with GIO studio. Selvaggia seems to have appeared afterwards on many sites including all the soft/teeny cheesecake sites. Didn't seem to hurt her career. Probably there are other examples too.

[BlueShadow]

Well, I would have liked to see her again, but it doesn't look that's very likely.

Never we know... but yes, it looks like that the brainwash with her was very very effective, very strong, to such an extent that she has even gotten depressed for seeing this work published on LegalPorno

Like the other 3 before?
Simply no sense.

[BlueShadow]

Can I just point out that nowhere does she say anything about it being because of the scene on here? We're just speculating because she said something about Woodman at one point? Blue Shadow coming in hot with the outlandish guesses again.

Unless someone has confirmation why are we making such a big deal out of this?

In fact I say "I don't know if it's related."
Guesses, but was not out of nowhere.
Scene released 8 APR. She wrote those things the same day. Then Woodman wrote about the depression.
2+2= 4.
And Robin (direct source) has confirmed that.
Logic never fail.

[BlueShadow]

Also, is there any credible evidence of a model actually losing bookings elsewhere because she appeared on LP/PornBox? Or is this just a scare tactic being used by a wannabe competitor/shit-stirrer?

For example, AFAIK Selvaggia's first ever shootings were hard bdsm themed scenes at LP with GIO studio. Selvaggia seems to have appeared afterwards on many sites including all the soft/teeny cheesecake sites. Didn't seem to hurt her career. Probably there are other examples too.

Model loosing booking 'cause she appeared on LP?
Nah. They also get booked after by PW, like Selvaggia, Siya Jey, Arwen Gold, Ginger Fox, Monika Wild, Lana Bunny, Taylee Wood... I can continue.
You need more credible evidence?

LOL
As you say,is tactic. If you want call this shit like that. Is sad if a model believe this shit without open her eyes and see that the one take advantage is primarly PW.

Blanche Bradburry, Mea Melone, Selvaggia, Monika Wild, Nikki Hill and others, I don'think they lost bookings XD They have appeared everywhere.
Some model appeared on LP also shooted after for the "classy" Tushy/Blacked... What we fucking talking about??
Like I said other times it depend on the model, and her performance and fans. I don't think that a producer gives up on a model with thousands of fans just because she appeared on LP (LP, what does that mean? It's a platform that sells content from different studios).
And in the specific case she shooted, like Robin Reid said, a fucking 1on1, nothing to much hardcore or "degrading" compared to what she did in a cheap hotel room with PW and his handycam or Pascalssubslut.


It's also bullshit when PW say that the model that start with him have success.
Yes, but also how many dissappeared after few months?
I think all should shut up and mind at her own fucking business. Without putting doubts and try tricks on girls minds.
Especially when the one that say that if they work on LP they will lose jobs, is the first to book those models XD
Please...

[robin_reid]

Take for instance Selvaggia; when she shot about 40 scenes for this platform I booked her for Firstanalquest and countless times for RK and Mofos. During her porn tours in Barcelona (and Barcelona porn biz is not like Budapest) I remember she was the most booked model, 2 weeks of shootings in a row, somedays 2 shootings per day.

When she worked for me for FAQ at morning, then she did another shooting at afternoon for Nacho Vidal, when she worked for me for RK in a foursome with Tina Kay, Potro and Alberto, she came from shooting another scene in the morning for Private!! Someone refused her for being shooting dozens of scenes for LP??

[robin_reid]

Some model appeared on LP also shooted after for the "classy" Tushy/Blacked... What we fucking talking about??

Lana Roy shot for Tushy/Blacked before and after to appear for LP. And happy to have worked for me for LP

[xxx]

WOodman is a lying and manipulating sack of shit.

She's not gonna lose any work. But if worried about her image perhaps she should be concerned about shooting cheap hotel room scenes with a 60 years old overweight dude. NO ONE (real) ever wants to see models at Woodman's, but our fans constantly ask models to appear on "LP" (whatever that means).

And Private scenes will be release here too (very soon).

[xxx]

In a normal world agents would have told her to not listen to anything this pathological liar would say, or even blacklist him completely. But he's got them through shady, very illegal escorting deals that make them more money than porn. That's the reality. I bet he is even blackmailing and threatening them too cause that's what his whole life is about.

[ExtremePornFan]

What a douchebags bag PW is. I wanted to see her get full LP works. I hope someone does something about him eventually.

[professeurphilo]

All of you have mentals problems ! Some girls prefer Woodman, others prefer Brazzers, others the Vixen company others LP , Kinuski didn't want to work for LP, it's funny enough because when a girl doesn't want to work for Woodman, you don't make a big deal out of it ! A lot of girls refused LP Caprice , Shona River (even though she worked on the site against her will deceived by a company that under dealt) , a lot of American refuses LP ... And yet you do not spit on them, you waste your time talking only about Woodman, but frankly wake up, because most of the time girls dream of working for the Vixen Company, with Manuel, Kayden Kross and Maitland Ward, because it is a classy company that has the means, I do not think that LP or Woodman can compete with the big companies ! Without wanting to be funny, most LP scenes do not degant any passion, they look like zombie gymnasts who fuck, with practices and positions worthy of the circus !

[robin_reid]

Shona River (even though she worked on the site against her will deceived by a company that under dealt)

Shona River shot in my location for Gonzo studio with Luis and Chris D. knowing very well for which site and studio was https://www.legalporno.com/watch/47618/ ... ock_sz2247

[IndyPleco]

All of you have mentals problems ! Some girls prefer Woodman, others prefer Brazzers, others the Vixen company others LP , Kinuski didn't want to work for LP, it's funny enough because when a girl doesn't want to work for Woodman, you don't make a big deal out of it ! A lot of girls refused LP Caprice , Shona River (even though she worked on the site against her will deceived by a company that under dealt) , a lot of American refuses LP ... And yet you do not spit on them, you waste your time talking only about Woodman, but frankly wake up, because most of the time girls dream of working for the Vixen Company, with Manuel, Kayden Kross and Maitland Ward, because it is a classy company that has the means, I do not think that LP or Woodman can compete with the big companies ! Without wanting to be funny, most LP scenes do not degant any passion, they look like zombie gymnasts who fuck, with practices and positions worthy of the circus !

Au contraire, Pierre. The PW forum is so heavily moderated and filled with anti-LP propaganda that this is the only place they can defend themselves. They're just responding to the bullshit that comes from there.

Must be exhausting to keep track of so many fake accounts...

[avanfurwet]

I didn't know about that Shona scene, so thanks for the link Robin

IDK if professeurphilo is PW or just one of his minions. No matter, their agenda is obvious.

So according to the prof, LP is small like Woodman (FFS) and cannot compete with the "big companies" like Vixen. Maybe time for the prof to go back to elementary school.

So Vixen Co has Tushy/Vixen/Blacked which are all copy/paste clones of one (good) concept. Could be a single platform but I guess they make more money selling separate subscriptions. What else? And xxx/Mindgeek own how many different major porn businesses? I lose count. Market share? Probably no comparison.

Personally I enjoy Vixen's glossy shoots as much as I hate PW's 1990's style amateur randycam stuff in a dark motel toilet, but that's just me. And I dislike Lansky's creepy [spam] pics of himself poseing like an ageing rapper on rented yachts groping beautiful models branded with "Vixen" underwear as much as I hate PW's creepy selfies with models. But that's just a sideshow, and anyway Lansky sold Vixen Co.

Pretty sure not every model in the world would want to work with LP studios. Don't think anyone suggested otherwise.
Pretty sure LP studios don't want to book every model. Horses for courses. It's a free market.

Pretty sure not every model wants to work with PW either, although there are nasty rumours about pressure to work with PW if a girl wants to work in Budapest. Not sure if he really has as much influence as he pretends. Maybe he does with some escort agencies. But I guess Rocco and other bigger producers in Budapest will just book the models they want regardless of the PW sideshow.

None of which helps Kinuski. If she suffers from depression I hope she gets proper help. And if she wants to keep working as a model, I think she's pretty and talented. I hope in future she can find a good agent who can act as a reality-check and help her navigate the shark infested waters of the porn business.

[luvbokeh]

I didn't know about that Shona scene, so thanks for the link Robin

IDK if professeurphilo is PW or just one of his minions. No matter, their agenda is obvious.

So according to the prof, LP is small like Woodman (FFS) and cannot compete with the "big companies" like Vixen. Maybe time for the prof to go back to elementary school.

So Vixen Co has Tushy/Vixen/Blacked which are all copy/paste clones of one (good) concept. Could be a single platform but I guess they make more money selling separate subscriptions. What else? And xxx/Mindgeek own how many different major porn businesses? I lose count. Market share? Probably no comparison.

Personally I enjoy Vixen's glossy shoots as much as I hate PW's 1990's style amateur randycam stuff in a dark motel toilet, but that's just me. And I dislike Lansky's creepy [spam] pics of himself poseing like an ageing rapper on rented yachts groping beautiful models branded with "Vixen" underwear as much as I hate PW's creepy selfies with models. But that's just a sideshow, and anyway Lansky sold Vixen Co.

Pretty sure not every model in the world would want to work with LP studios. Don't think anyone suggested otherwise.
Pretty sure LP studios don't want to book every model. Horses for courses. It's a free market.

Pretty sure not every model wants to work with PW either, although there are nasty rumours about pressure to work with PW if a girl wants to work in Budapest. Not sure if he really has as much influence as he pretends. Maybe he does with some escort agencies. But I guess Rocco and other bigger producers in Budapest will just book the models they want regardless of the PW sideshow.

None of which helps Kinuski. If she suffers from depression I hope she gets proper help. And if she wants to keep working as a model, I think she's pretty and talented. I hope in future she can find a good agent who can act as a reality-check and help her navigate the shark infested waters of the porn business.

You summed it up good.

[professeurphilo]

It becomes annoying that you do not bear the truth, as soon as you are put in front of your betise, and we have a word for Woodman right away we are a nickname of Woodman who hides underground or one of his fans indoctrinated, you really need psychiatric care, do you have a life, family ...? What happens in the bizz and who is jealous of who, as well as your ideas limit paranoid to think that we condition the brains of people we do not care, unless you are middle people and you are looking for revenge , I see no use to chain you like that on a man while we are here to play and not to play the Soap with fake dramas and worthy plots of a political conspiracy!
Now I'm really getting tired of chatting with idiots who think I'm Woodman, this is the 50th time that I get this it gets tired, change records and have arguments, really get care of yourself, I want to discuss with reasonable people, not with SS thinking!

[robin_reid]

Take for instance this sample. In january i asked info to an agency from Budapest about a model, not only for LP (I don't even know if Gio would have given me green light with this model) I mean in general, for other brands I do and also to offer her to other producers and share travel expenses with them as often we do here. Without mentioning LP you can see the answer of this agent. I know very well she is a brainwashed model. In a normal world as xxx say, agents would have told her to not listen to anything this pathological liar would say. What all they got was that I refused to bring this model. She would have done in Barcelona a bunch of shootings and €€€. In this story is the model who loses without having shot a single scene for LP. That’s fine if a model doesn’t wanna do certain levels like dap, pee etc it’s her choice, I agree. But what is inadmisible is that if a model is available for bga and dp, then she refuse if the shooting is for LP just because a psicho brainwashed her in connivence with the agency.

[ExtremePornFan]

Wow that's cheap it was that more than that 20 years ago in the USA

[BlueShadow]

All of you have mentals problems ! Some girls prefer Woodman, others prefer Brazzers, others the Vixen company others LP , Kinuski didn't want to work for LP, it's funny enough because when a girl doesn't want to work for Woodman, you don't make a big deal out of it ! A lot of girls refused LP Caprice , Shona River (even though she worked on the site against her will deceived by a company that under dealt) , a lot of American refuses LP ... And yet you do not spit on them, you waste your time talking only about Woodman, but frankly wake up, because most of the time girls dream of working for the Vixen Company, with Manuel, Kayden Kross and Maitland Ward, because it is a classy company that has the means, I do not think that LP or Woodman can compete

OK. But you miss the point here.
Is not a question of refusing or not.
It is bullshit to say that if they appear in a scene with the LP logo (because is this, Kinuski in this specific scene has done nothing that has not already done elsewhere) lose jobs.
There are already enough examples that demonstrate this.
PW says this only to his advantage, the only one who gains is him, the models who do not follow his "loving" advice work anyway.

They are free to accept and refuse what they want. Unlike the subtly "controlled" ones (Brillbabes + PW) who are not free to do anal (less work, it is a consequence) and certain studios. PW does not point a gun, his weapon is manipulation, semblance of a great professional producer, promises of a successful career if they follow her "advice", dinners, gifts, smiles, like a good grandfather, but ready to throw you shit on you if you get out of its "tracks". (there are many examples, Misha Cross, Zazie Skymm, Ginebra Bellucci etc.)
One should always be wary of one who nave this kind of attitude.

So, is not a point of refusing this production or that production. The point is putting "worm" in models mind with lies against others studio, promising advantages, when the one who take advantages is mainly him.
A career of a model is builds by her mainly, with her own strength and desire to do, certainly not because she gets used in a cheap hotel room or because she remains anal exclusive (And even without an exclusivity contract XD Where is the profit for the model if not only for him? I would say that other words are superfluous. There are silly girls, but luckily also smarter girls who don't want to be controlled.)

[robin_reid]

Wow that's cheap it was that more than that 20 years ago in the USA

At the end of the day the check in US become in these amounts and even less, without count that living in LA is more expensive than Budapest or Prague.

[robin_reid]

PW does not point a gun, his weapon is manipulation, semblance of a great professional producer, promises of a successful career if they follow her "advice", dinners, gifts, smiles, like a good grandfather, but ready to throw you shit on you if you get out of its "tracks". (there are many examples, Misha Cross, Zazie Skymm, Ginebra Bellucci etc.)
One should always be wary of one who nave this kind of attitude.

Ginebra Bellucci is not a naive girl, she refused his dinners, gifts and advices about not to shoot anal for others. Now according to PW her carrer is not the good as it supposed should be, he expected a better career... but the true is that she is the most booked model in Spain and she is shooting in Europe all what a good model can shoot for all companies, and all them repeat again with her. Even I coincided with her on same flight to Prague the last time I was performing at Gio studio in Feb.