Quality of Site Going Downhill

[mastercloth]

IV is a detriment to the site, who the fuck pays for that shit?

[Angel Eyes]

The only thing going downhill is my IQ reading this thread.

LP is in a new golden age right now. The models are outstanding, especially at Gonzo.

[mastercloth]

The only thing going downhill is my IQ reading this thread.

LP is in a new golden age right now. The models are outstanding, especially at Gonzo.

That's the problem: the models are wasted on Gonzo and IV while Giorgio always shoots the same girls ad nauseam...

Julia North just got another IV scene today, why hasn't she shot with GIO yet? DAP friendly milf with great natural body.

[Object_O]

IV is a detriment to the site, who the fuck pays for that shit?

Oi mastercloth stand back... me thinks IV producers pay for that shit "in kind" by giving the heck of a...
LOL

[mastercloth]

IV is a detriment to the site, who the fuck pays for that shit?

Oi mastercloth stand back... me thinks IV producers pay for that shit "in kind" by giving the heck of a...
LOL

Even shitty American casting sites have better quality than IV. IV scenes are literally UNWATCHABLE. The camera work, the lightning, the scenario, the tip-fucking, the full clothed girl bodies, the limp studs, Joaquim's annoying talk, etc. But it's black guys on mostly white girls, so the appeal is limited to BBC lovers, which are closet homos in reality.

The sad thing is that great models are wasted on IV, somehow he gets great milfs and young newbies. These should be shooting for GIO.

[9lovinlon]

Mate, calm down. You'll give yourself a heart attack if you get this worked up over trivial shit. Just don't buy them. Maybe petition on the GIO groups if there's someone you'd like to see. Build some support, maybe it will happen. Or maybe not if you're going to be a dick about it.

[Object_O]

IV is a detriment to the site, who the fuck pays for that shit?

Oi mastercloth stand back... me thinks IV producers pay for that shit "in kind" by giving the heck of a...
LOL

Even shitty American casting sites have better quality than IV. IV scenes are literally UNWATCHABLE. The camera work, the lightning, the scenario, the tip-fucking, the full clothed girl bodies, the limp studs, Joaquim's annoying talk, etc. But it's black guys on mostly white girls, so the appeal is limited to BBC lovers, which are closet homos in reality.

The sad thing is that great models are wasted on IV, somehow he gets great milfs and young newbies. These should be shooting for GIO.

Spot on
I've noticed that too and again today...
Julia North, Megan Venturi, Siya Jey, Meghan Knoxx & Janice United to mention a few all wasted this week on this garbage studio
One has to be brain dead to sustain such a waste of hot pussy

[Kaderon]

Today's scene with Anna de Ville was her 9 scene in less than a month. I'm sure it's nice for her fans. For all the others, who would also like some variety, this is all just madness.

[Lotto]

^
What makes you think the variety you want is even possible? Not many girls can perform DAP.

[Kaderon]

^The number of people on this planet. For example, there are plenty of camgirls who do really crazy things with their butts. That makes many (camera magic) DAP scenes look like a walk in the park. And there were always fresh girls. Even US girls. All of a sudden you could shoot DAP scenes with girls like Aj Applegate. And Angel Smalls. And Avi Love. And Dee Williams. And Maddy O'Reilly. And Maxim Law. And Proxy Paige. And Syren De Mer. And Veronica Avluv. And Zoe Sparks...

The deeper you dig, the more gems you find. But if you don't feel like digging... you just shoot 10 scenes a month with Anna de Ville.

[IndyPleco]

Studios have always had staple performers, that’s nothing new. Timea racked up over 100 scenes. You can only take so many risks flying in newbies. It just makes sense to use reliable local talent like Anna. Even if you only watch Giorgio, he still consistently introduces about one new girl a week.

[mastercloth]

Studios have always had staple performers, that’s nothing new. Timea racked up over 100 scenes. You can only take so many risks flying in newbies. It just makes sense to use reliable local talent like Anna. Even if you only watch Giorgio, he still consistently introduces about one new girl a week.

GIO repeats his favorites too much, Nikki Hill and Alita Angel will now go down the same road. Most IV models should be shooting for GIO.

[Lotto]

^The number of people on this planet. For example, there are plenty of camgirls who do really crazy things with their butts.

And make decent, or sometimes even crazy money doing so. Doing actual porn will not be benefitial of them in terms of how much time/energy they have to spend to earn additional 1500$.

Even US girls. All of a sudden you could shoot DAP scenes with girls like Aj Applegate. And Angel Smalls. And Avi Love. And Dee Williams. And Maddy O'Reilly. And Maxim Law. And Proxy Paige. And Syren De Mer. And Veronica Avluv. And Zoe Sparks...

I don't understand what point are you making here. Yes, LP shoots some American girls. I would love to see more of them - but what makes you think this is a fault of GG/other directors? Maybe only a small minority of american pornstars want to do porn in LP style?

[IndyPleco]

Studios have always had staple performers, that’s nothing new. Timea racked up over 100 scenes. You can only take so many risks flying in newbies. It just makes sense to use reliable local talent like Anna. Even if you only watch Giorgio, he still consistently introduces about one new girl a week.

GIO repeats his favorites too much, Nikki Hill and Alita Angel will now go down the same road. Most IV models should be shooting for GIO.

That depends entirely on your own definition of too much. As far as IV models goes, that's a completely separate point and you've always been free to lobby for their appearance at GIO.

[Lanos]

I don't understand what point are you making here.

My point is, if you make an effort to get new actresses, you get them. Or do you think all those US girls asked to shoot for LP on their own initiative? But if you don't make any effort at all, you just shoot with the same girls every 2 days.

[Giorgio Grandi]

For a new model the first steps on LP are fundamental, if she doesnt get a fan-base at the first or second scene, she is done. Its pointless to shoot her again in most of cases.

[Lanos]

^Then I'd be interested to know if you're making any effort to get Remy. She has a massive fan base.

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[annmsklr]

Honestly, I didn't read the whole thread, but I disagree with OP.

- technically the quality is constantly growing (ie. Gonzo has a new camera, lights,..)
- introducing foreign girls regularly, even Brazilian and Mexican
- more updates per day from regular premium studios (IMHO 3 is still not enough)
- rebuilt PornBox with great features, new membership options
- re-introduced pee/piss
- IV studio got 100% better overall

I mean throughout the years 2018 and 2019, LP had up times and down times, but during last two years I think there were several super strong months with the best scenes shot ever.

There are only few pains in the butt and IMHO those are:
- relatively small pool of capable directors (Gonzo would be nothing without Luis, so GG without Giorgio)
- scenes got more expensive but that's reasonable and relative
- limited pool of good long term talents that last longer than a one of two scenes
- we lost some good studios

[mastercloth]

- IV studio got 100% better overall

[Tangini]

I'm going to post this on the Giorgio thread too. Because of like him to see it.
I need to be careful how I say it, as I 100% mean it constructively, and mean no offence.
But I was thinking about the scenes, and trying to figure out why some older scenes seem somehow different.
More hypnotic somehow.

It's not the content as such. That is still great. Especially Giorgio stuff.

Is Giorgio slightly colourblind though?

Again, I'm not trying to be rude, but his scenes seem to have a slight red/pink colour cast.
I tried tweaking the colour curves in VLC and it's so much better, with the colour temperature turned down.

Can anyone else who is a bit more tech savvy post some before and after shots?

I really feel like better colour balance could make a huge difference.

Sorry if this seems rude, it's not meant that way.
I hope it's something you can look at.

[Tip-Drill]

I'm going to post this on the Giorgio thread too. Because of like him to see it.
I need to be careful how I say it, as I 100% mean it constructively, and mean no offence.
But I was thinking about the scenes, and trying to figure out why some older scenes seem somehow different.
More hypnotic somehow.

It's not the content as such. That is still great. Especially Giorgio stuff.

Is Giorgio slightly colourblind though?

Again, I'm not trying to be rude, but his scenes seem to have a slight red/pink colour cast.
I tried tweaking the colour curves in VLC and it's so much better, with the colour temperature turned down.

Can anyone else who is a bit more tech savvy post some before and after shots?

I really feel like better colour balance could make a huge difference.

Sorry if this seems rude, it's not meant that way.
I hope it's something you can look at.

You should try upgrading your TV/Computer or what ever you are watching it on

[avanfurwet]

[quote="Tangini"]... Is Giorgio slightly colourblind though?/quote]

Maybe you are slightly colourblind?

Different people perceive colours differently.

If adjusting colour balance in VLC works for you, then what are you complaining about?

And why on earth would adjusting colours make a scene more "hypnotic"?

[Tangini]

Again, it's not a criticism. Just an observation. My TV is a nice 4k lg. Some scenes look great, mostly older ones.
Many of Giorgio scenes have a pink hue. But my point was, when adjusted they are a lot better.

I may have chosen a bad word when I said, 'hypnotic.'
Instead think, immersive. Or life-like.
It's night and day difference.
I would do it on the TV. But I tend to view on my phone mostly now, and it's not possible.

It's up to you though.
But if you don't think colour Balance is important, there are a few technicians earning six figure salaries in film production who would say otherwise.

Please don't jump to get offended, or say just do it yourself.
This is an observation of a technical issue.
The white balance, I believe is off.

That's why I suggested the director may be slightly colour blind.
Not an insult.
My best friend is red/blue colourblind.
Just might be worth looking into the presets being used.

[avanfurwet]

Again, it's not a criticism. Just an observation. etc...

Continues here to avoid crossposting.

[drinside]

I don't think quality is going down, I guess we need for more variety.

I understand that skinny girls sells more, but I would love to see more curvy girls around. Also I would love to see more swallow, but a series focused in this theme, just like we had before.

Also these days I enjoy more the old Gio's scenes than the new ones. The new scenes are kinda generic, too scripted. Wanna a example? Nikki Hill scenes.. girl is great but everytime I watch her is like the same scene I've watch before. We don't need different themes, we need different attitude in the scene. We don't see spanking, choking, hair grabing and spiting very often.

We need the element of surprise because we always know what we will get in a scene is kinda boring.

[Destroyherass]

We went from 25 new possible faces per week just before 2020 (Europe and Russia based) to 5 per month in 2019. Understand the gap. If we also would shot just few scenes to the few we chose or agree to shoot, without to give the opportunity of a long term revenue, we would have even less new girls.

Just before 2020?
You meant to wrote 2012?

Sorry I mean before 2010

Wow, thats a huge difference. Imagine 25 new fresh faces a week and now only 5/month. What a waste. Hopefully the golden days with lots of young fresh girls willing to go the mile returns (when is next economic recession?).

[Mizar5]

The only thing going downhill is my IQ reading this thread.

LP is in a new golden age right now. The models are outstanding, especially at Gonzo.

hehehe. I agree, pretty much. Of course there are performers who've come and gone that I still long for, but by and large the quality of top stars and action is peaches and cream for me personally. I've tried MANY others, but LP is the only xxx site I buy from regularly. Then and now.

Even if some of the comments on this board (mine too at times) seem overly harsh at times, I think a good admin or webmaster should consider most feedback -- as long as it's not simply flaming -- as a sort of customer service opportunity. It might not be a statistically valid sample, but it can be a signpost for gauging general customer reaction as to what is currently being offered.

What to consider and what to toss aside, that's up to the site mgmt. If they have the time and use the tools, they can probably gauge general customer reaction against what is currently selling, or against what scenes or topics are getting the most clicks, and so forth.

Sites that don't have a bulletin board, while maybe avoiding "getting down and dirty" with the rest of us, are missing out on a big opportunity to get an overall feel for and direction of, their user base's preferences. In my opinion.

[misangrenegra2]

I'm my opinion the site have been growing up these years. More releases per day, more new girls, new improvements in PornBox, and the quaulity of the content is excellent in general terms, a variety of studios to choice each the most of you like and a nice variety of different fetishes.

Basically at Gonzo and GIO there is a feel like they are convinced they found the right recipe and wont change much anymore.

I have a similiar perception, including IV Studio in that quote, looks like they have a good formula in their different series that sells and works but in these last months they have present a litle variations of diferent kinds of scenes like "Mistress scenes with Angel Wicky", the orgy with more girls than boys in Gonzo or TS girls/porn. Is a good point, if sells properly, see more variation.

I understand is not easy and they put a lot of money and resources, i think we should thinking more about this point.

Curvy girls are only supported if really, really pretty and still not almost enough to justify the shooting except few cases (Jolee Love is well supported for example) Skinny girls are very well supported, even the girl that are not top stars

@Gio Do you think that happen because there are social factor behind? I mean, i guess you are talking about your sells (i dont know if you include the LP sells too)

I guess ( i dont have any info but..) the great number of costumers are from EU and of course the kind of pornstars of EU are skinny prototype, the all almost of them, obviously there are a great variation but surely is the kind of girl that sells better.

I say this because looks like, in US Porn, there are more girls with big asses and normal shape (not skinny and fit) with long porn carrers, eg. sophie dee, Giana michaels, Carmela bing, Trina michaels.... and more currently Syren de Mer, Dee williams, Mandy muse, Bridgette B.

Jolee Love is a fact she is beautiful but she has that sexy curvy body, some "similiar" to the bimbo girl term

I think that could be about the kind of girls in different locations and the social factor of how the costumers (in general) are in contact with that kind of girls in their diferent parts of their lives.

[101mike101]

Curvy girls are only supported if really, really pretty and still not almost enough to justify the shooting except few cases (Jolee Love is well supported for example)
Skinny girls are very well supported, even the girl that are not top stars

I don't think it's fair to compare skinny girls with curvy ones at the LegalPorno website. Because they aren't having the same type of sex. Skinny chicks are really taking on the anal dicks. While curvy girls often do it only 1 on 1, and they don't take guys in their bum.

For example, here are the scenes for curvy Ella Knox:
https://www.legalporno.com/model/4383/ella_knox

And here are the scenes for Emily Pink:
https://www.legalporno.com/model/5250/emily_pink

For Emily Pink, it's ass, ass, and more ass. Anal guys really go after her and nail her nice ass good every time. While Ella Knox takes on only one pussy guy. And anal guys don't even try with someone like her.

Another example is Siri. Her scenes are only tits and pussy, but no ass:
https://www.legalporno.com/model/5613/siri

Valentina Nappi does anal and DP. But her anal isn't nearly as hard and extreme as that of other more skinny ladies:
https://www.legalporno.com/model/3788/valentina_nappi

Another example is Isabella Clark. She is labelled as 'curvy' in some of her scenes. But she is a popular hot chick, because she really takes anal dick:
https://www.legalporno.com/model/2452/isabella_clark

This is Ass vs. Pussy, rather than Skinny vs. Curvy. If Ella Knox, Siri, and Valentina Nappi got their nice asses nailed the way Emily Pink did, then their scenes probably would be very popular too.

[Giorgio Grandi]

Siri is chubby, not curvy.

there is not a better indicator that Model -> Popular
https://pornbox.com/application#model/list
The first model you can consider "curvy" is Kizzy Six imho, at page 3.

[Kaderon]

^You can't take this aspect seriously. Jillian Janson is the third most popular model because of a one single scene that is also 2 years old? Half of the girls on the 1st page have not been active for months or even years. And I guess the page hasn't been updated that long.

I believe you that the number of girls has gone down. But I don't think you're giving variety a chance. You released 28 scenes (studio GG) in January. 26 of them were with skinny, flat girls. You don't give boobs and booty a chance.

[Giorgio Grandi]

Rank of models is updated daily, I think rank is based on Highest Rating (solo).
Its a very reliable information for us (studios) to understand the "value" of a model.

[Object_O]

In which universe is a curvy model not be attractive
and how can a woman without generous boobs and prominent hips be attractive
I assume a majority of men with small physical built would find petite girls pretty and tall curvy women unattractive
I also assume men who consider other men - with a dick and take in hormones and surgery to look like women - as females are more likely to find curvalicious women unattractive
and yes... Mega LOL... no homo... how about that

[Jocke]

Rank of models is updated daily, I think rank is based on Highest Rating (solo).
Its a very reliable information for us (studios) to understand the "value" of a model.

You cannot both say that it is reliable information and that you "think" it is based on Highest Rating (solo), if you don't know how the rating is done you cannot know if it is reliable.

A smart system would look at how much money a girl averages per scene, i.e. number of sales times price divided by number of girls.

[Kaderon]

Rank of models is updated daily, I think rank is based on Highest Rating (solo).
Its a very reliable information for us (studios) to understand the "value" of a model.

You don't believe that yourself. Half of the girls are already retired.

Imagine that a music producer would use such ranking lists as a guide. He would then have to try to make an album with Michael Jackson or the Beatles.

[Giorgio Grandi]

Rank of models is updated daily, I think rank is based on Highest Rating (solo).
Its a very reliable information for us (studios) to understand the "value" of a model.

You don't believe that yourself. Half of the girls are already retired.

Imagine that a music producer would use such ranking lists as a guide. He would then have to try to make an album with Michael Jackson or the Beatles.

there is not only page one, but also page 2 and even on page 3 several girls are in general pretty good.
But anyway, if a model retires should we erase her from the list of models? Her scenes/rank still exist.
I do not understand the meaning of your argument.

Skinny models sells better than curvy, if you do not believeme ask yourself why I prefer skinny than curvy.ù
I have a curvy wife, so do not tell me I do a crusade like when I avoid DPP or vaginal in general because I would shoot lesbo if it would sell properly.

[geralt_]

LP can't win, always complaints. Different eras, different models. that's just how things roll.

[Kaderon]

there is not only page one, but also page 2 and even on page 3 several girls are in general pretty good.
But anyway, if a model retires should we erase her from the list of models? Her scenes/rank still exist.
I do not understand the meaning of your argument.

If Jillian Janson has more votes with one single scene in 2 years than for example Kristy Black, then something is wrong with this list. Then this list does not work. Then she's not reliable.

Skinny models sells better than curvy

Why does Volkswagen sell more cars than planes? Because they only provide cars. And if you hardly offer scenes with curvy women, you even know how they sell in the long run.

[magizi877]

I think the top model algorithm, should consider sales of a model,
relative to how many customers were available at the time,

(meaning, what was the percentage of users available at the time, who were interested)

and a differential of how many new customers were attracted during such period of time,
also, you should be able to track how many of those people are still buying stuff today
or for how many months/how much money they invested.

Maybe even consider the sales of the movies that were released during the same time.
and what was the average tkt remaining by each user

ratio those numbers together to come up with a rank.

and while you are at it, add a way to filter for her career status (active/inactive).

Because, this information is kinda useless to make decisions for the future, with inactive models.

(although, there should be somebody, extrapolating the general characteristics of the best seller models,
to create a profile of things to look for in new models).

In particular, things like charisma, body language, sexyness should be considered things that matters IMO.
Veronica Leal seems very high in these 3 things, or maybe I'm just crazy.

...

Another example would be women with very large natural breast, have created a huge spike in interest in the past.
For example, Lucie Wilde and Olivia. I remember when Lucie Wilde was a thing, her model thread,
eclipsed in view count almost every other regular model, seemingly overnight.

And there have been other girls with big tits that haven't made an "impact" like Lucie Wilde did,
But the cynical in me would argue that Lucie wilde had the torso of a somewhat slim girl.
Definitely not a Cindy Shine slim, but also not close to what users refer as "curvy"

What i'm trying to say, puted bluntly. is that only considering the absolute numbers is stupid, IMO.

[Giorgio Grandi]

Kaderon
"If Jillian Janson has more votes with one single scene in 2 years than for example Kristy Black, then something is wrong with this list. Then this list does not work. Then she's not reliable."

Votes? Man, are you a member of LP or you are just BS around?
There is not a voting system, rank of models is based on popularity of their scenes

"Why does Volkswagen sell more cars than planes? Because they only provide cars. And if you hardly offer scenes with curvy women, you even know how they sell in the long run."

In fact, because they sell cars and do not sell trucks. I hope you get me

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Mazigi87

What you write makes sense, but remember the meaning of a model top list is to generate sales, not to give a value to each model.

Also what you write about Lucie Wild makes sense, she was not a curvy girl, but s skinny with boobs.