Quality of Site Going Downhill

[number1s]

Wet content bring profit, but a big part of this profit is used to finance or support content that are not selling properly and there are many (hiping that to get more members interest in the content that now do not sell enough).......

.........The fact you do not like it is fortunately supported from the ticket system: you are not paying for something you do not wish to watch.

The first quote suggests that wet content is subsidising other content. Which would tend to negate the second quotation from your post?

[Giorgio Grandi]

Wet content bring profit, but a big part of this profit is used to finance or support content that are not selling properly and there are many (hiping that to get more members interest in the content that now do not sell enough).......

.........The fact you do not like it is fortunately supported from the ticket system: you are not paying for something you do not wish to watch.

The first quote suggests that wet content is subsidising other content. Which would tend to negate the second quotation from your post?

It maybe tend, but it doesnt.
You purchase a wet scene, than its up to me is keep the profit or invest to cover loss on content you maybe do not like.
you do not have access to the content you do not like, as you purchase single scenes

[avanfurwet]

...I believe still here on LP forum, there are several accounts run from people involved in porn that are not customers but they like to create drama of bad mounting model, etc.

Hell, some of the real customers are doing this job for them already.

[Cosmo159]

It maybe tend, but it doesnt.
You purchase a wet scene, than its up to me is keep the profit or invest to cover loss on content you maybe do not like.
you do not have access to the content you do not like, as you purchase single scenes

Giorgio

I just want to thank you for the enjoyment that I have had from many of your scences over the years. I've plowed a fair wee bit of money into the site - in particular over the last year - and every penny has been worth it.

I know how hard it is running a business and what a pain in the arse some customers can be, particularly when they can't or won't understand the needs of the business for its survival over their own personal wishes for what its products and services should look like.

You do a great job and it's appreciated.

I migliori auguri a te.

[Lanos]

About many scene with the same girl, this is a mirror of the movie industry. Take netflix, they make serie with the same people all over again and they have huge success, this because the story hold the people looking at many episode.

I don't think that's true. You don't find Bryan Cranston or Matthew McConaughey in every other VoD production. And even if it were, it would always be a different script, a different director, a different story, a different atmosphere.

But what you do, and this is my opinion, is to release the same scene with the same girls every 8-10 days. You can't tell me that the 100 scenes with Kira Thorn are any different. It's always just a copy of a copy of a copy.

[Jocke]

Thank you Giorgio for interacting with us. It is worth a lot.

May I suggest that you also start own threads like a blog to let us better understand what you are struggling with?

I find a lot of interesting info from you in this thread but with a sad title. Better start threads like:

"-New ideas, what do you think guys?"

"What are your suggestion for..."

Cheers!

[Patrick.Moran]

Is it just me? Am I being too negative?

maybe go get your eyes checked, belle is a super hot double anal gangbang icon among many others a very stacked decade of talent over the 2000s. she will always be right up there for me also but like now is super exciting with great variety as ever from spring chickens to milfs week in week out

compare belle's dap destination with any other girl featured in the same series from very latest to super recent and like the last 3 or more years.. it's simply a flat out false statement this site is going downhill

mods please delete\close this fake news topic, it's ok and suitable for a rubbish discussion platform like say facebook but not here at LP forums

[kappadon]

I agree the quantity is up but the quality is down, instant improvement would be to discontinue any scenes are productions with JOACHIM KEESEF, Joachim in any scene is UNWATCHABLE please get rid of him and his lame azz production team IMMEDIATELY.

[Jocke]

kappadon, you are polluting this site with your posts. You may find Joachim unwatchable, but your posts are unreadable.

If there is something you don't like, just don't buy it. No need to behave like an asshole!

[magizi877]

I was just surprised that dap-addict wasn't 100% happy with LP.

That's why I felt compelled to reply.

(He is the guy who keeps posting stuff like "LP is paradise", and such).

You know?, his comment gave me a moment of pause. That's all

I haven't been happy with LP for a long time.
For reasons that I got tired to keep talking about.

At some point I just realized that, there is no point.

lol

Anyways. I also thought that Giorgio saying:
we use pee content to offset content that "does not sell "properly".
is counterintuitive to "use the tkt system to support what you like"

I guess I miss the days when LP was a specialized website,
and I didn't had to choose because I liked almost everything, lol.

[avanfurwet]

I was just surprised that dap-addict wasn't 100% happy with LP.

That's why I felt compelled to reply.

(He is the guy who keeps posting stuff like "LP is paradise", and such).

You know?, his comment gave me a moment of pause. That's all

I haven't been happy with LP for a long time.
For reasons that I got tired to keep talking about.

At some point I just realized that, there is no point.

lol

Anyways. I also thought that Giorgio saying:
we use pee content to offset content that "does not sell "properly".
is counterintuitive to "use the tkt system to support what you like"

I guess I miss the days when LP was a specialized website,
and I didn't had to choose because I liked almost everything, lol.

My 2c worth.

The ticket system does allow you to support whatever scenes you like, and just not buy anything/everything you don't like. Obviously

There is zero logical connection between you buying only what you want and how Giorgio spends/invests his revenue stream.

I think Giorgio is saying that pee scenes are predictably profitable. If the only thing he cared about was instant profit, he could just make 100% pissing scenes and ratchet up their prices. Instead he makes a mix of scenes and sometimes tries new new models and new genres (e.g. trans) which obviously are a financial risk.

It's a shame for you as an individual if you don't like his content, but you're only one customer. As his content evolves, inevitably he will lose some old customers and win some, maybe more, new ones. Like any business.

I think when you say that LP used to be specialised and you liked almost everything ~ it appears to me that you just got lucky for a while because their output was somehow in sync with your individual tastes.

It's like saying you like classic cars, which is fine. But you can't expect the auto industry to keep making them for you.

[radoslav.ivanov77]

The topic if very wide, but basically the Piracy is guilty for the very low ROI ( Return of Investment ).

Pornography Always is a major driver for technology innovations - VHS, Satellite TV, Online Payments, High-Speed Connections, but today in 2020 really struggle to survive when everyone "makes porn" with their smartphone and download for 2-3 minutes everything from torrents...

Some people disagree, but the period 2000-2010 was really The Golden Era for Porn with Absolutely Top Adult Performers like a Katja Kassin, Ava Devine, Lauren Phoenix, Brooke Haven, Tory Lane, Trina Michaels, Brandi Lyons, Georgia Peach, Harmony, Phoenix Marie, Sandra Romain, Sophie Dee, Lisa Ann and Melissa Lauren - period who actually defined modern pornography and the current situation where quality production porn nowadays it cannot be sustained because if you read Giorgio Grandi you can see how they need $20 000 for 4k camera and he spend €5k per scene, but this scene barely return €3k...

I know we already have failed attempt in the past for fundraising scenes/production, but we need to speak directly - if something, not change, the whole industry and quality cannot be kept high or even average quality level.

We, the consumers have the Ultimate Tool to change this - our Wallets and Conscience to not download piracy content.

Just for the administrators and producers here - things like a Blockchain technology Cannot stop piracy, but I want to tell you - can be used for 100% Visible platform, where we all can see Who spend money, How much and for what type of content ( for example some sort of scene poll like a Kickstarter ) and this can be guaranteed that everyone - consumer, site, producer, model receives what is right.

Even Amazon Cloud already offer managed services like that:
https://aws.amazon.com/managed-blockchain/
https://aws.amazon.com/qldb/

Producers and people engaged with LP are busy with their day to day activities with the shooting and the site, but we need wide discussion if we want to find any solution because time past so quickly these days and Amazing new girls shoot 2-3 scenes and the whole platform cannot hold them offering them good conditions and regular sessions few times per month and this is the end...

[avanfurwet]

^ 100% visible to who? Most porn consumers want general anonymity, even if the seller and the credit card company know who they are. How does this work with these blockchain thingies?

Also, your whole concept sounds like a sort of [spam] done LP style?

[Giorgio Grandi]

Some people disagree, but the period 2000-2010 was really The Golden Era for Porn with Absolutely Top Adult Performers like a Katja Kassin, Ava Devine, Lauren Phoenix, Brooke Haven, Tory Lane, Trina Michaels, Brandi Lyons, Georgia Peach, Harmony, Phoenix Marie, Sandra Romain, Sophie Dee, Lisa Ann and Melissa Lauren - period who actually defined modern pornography and the current situation where quality production porn nowadays it cannot be sustained because if you read Giorgio Grandi you can see how they need $20 000 for 4k camera and he spend €5k per scene, but this scene barely return €3k...

I answer you to this first.
Lets do not consider the performers.
I witnessed so called "quality" movies costed 30k, give a return of 150k to the producer. Like is a car that cost 150k to public, would have a production cost of 30k.
This was unbalanced, the distributor collapsed on long term, in fact all the euro distributors have gone bankrupt because the DVD with the movie costed 50-60e in the shop, the same shop where you you could buy the same models fucked from the same boys, even better, on a shitty gonzo movie for 25. Without to even consider how market changed because of the internet

2000-2010 was the "end" of the era when 10 people were getting reach and all other struggle, now that 10 people do not exist even anymore, the reason is that what they were shooting was overrated, otherwise the would be still here.

Now the profit is "shared" between more people, mostly new people, even if all website (distributors) are owned from few company, the "production cake" is shared in more equal way than on the mentioned period.

[radoslav.ivanov77]

^ 100% visible to who? Most porn consumers want general anonymity, even if the seller and the credit card company know who they are. How does this work with these blockchain thingies?

BitCoin use Blockchain and it's 100% anonymously to the moment when you want to convert it to real money.

You can be "avanfurwet" in the chain system, nobody has an idea who you are, but when you spend $5 for any scene this cannot be manipulated and changed from nobody even from the administrators - the producer/model of the scene or even the whole community can see this.

Also, your whole concept sounds like a sort of [spam] done LP style?

Yes, and the reason for this is because I try to suggest some sort of Interaction between Customers and Producers/Models where we have and another factor - Loyalty, from our side on the form of a specific paid commitments and the assumption that the people they pay will not download illegal, pirated content and with this and more quality content from producers/models side and implementations of the selected in the polls/requests scenarios and performances.

Once again we need wide discussion with many opinions, with Pros and Cons if we want to achieve some progress.

[Giorgio Grandi]

About many scene with the same girl, this is a mirror of the movie industry. Take netflix, they make serie with the same people all over again and they have huge success, this because the story hold the people looking at many episode.

I don't think that's true. You don't find Bryan Cranston or Matthew McConaughey in every other VoD production. And even if it were, it would always be a different script, a different director, a different story, a different atmosphere.

But what you do, and this is my opinion, is to release the same scene with the same girls every 8-10 days. You can't tell me that the 100 scenes with Kira Thorn are any different. It's always just a copy of a copy of a copy.

Oh man, I can not believe I read something like this.
I shot so many scenes with Kira because is continue to sell, people buy her scenes, this is so simple.

About the serial: I think you do not know what I mean, for instance, just to name one very cheap serie: "the good place", almost cheap shitty movies with the same unknown actors, same stupid story all over again.

[avanfurwet]

... Loyalty, from our side on the form of a specific paid commitments and the assumption that the people they pay will not download illegal, pirated content and with this and more quality content from producers/models side and implementations of the selected in the polls/requests scenarios and performances.

Once again we need wide discussion with many opinions, with Pros and Cons if we want to achieve some progress.

I agree, it should be this way.

Yet [spam] et al seem full of stolen content from [spam]/[spam] etc. which literally steals bread from the performer's mouth.

I don't know the solution.

The music industry moved to selling access to live performances, and sells recordings as a sideline knowing that many people will copy recordings.
But I don't think that completely works for porn.

[IndyPleco]

The music industry moved to selling access to live performances, and sells recordings as a sideline knowing that many people will copy recordings.
But I don't think that completely works for porn.

I think you can make a decent comparison with something like [spam] being the live performance and LP being the place that gives them airplay and build an audience. I’m not sure it’s a good trend for the studios (or the general public) though without a more symbiotic relationship. Now girls bounce as soon as they make a name for themselves and only give “concerts” without making new “music”.

[Giorgio Grandi]

... Loyalty, from our side on the form of a specific paid commitments and the assumption that the people they pay will not download illegal, pirated content and with this and more quality content from producers/models side and implementations of the selected in the polls/requests scenarios and performances.

Once again we need wide discussion with many opinions, with Pros and Cons if we want to achieve some progress.

I agree, it should be this way.

Yet [spam] et al seem full of stolen content from [spam]/[spam] etc. which literally steals bread from the performer's mouth.

I don't know the solution.

The music industry moved to selling access to live performances, and sells recordings as a sideline knowing that many people will copy recordings.
But I don't think that completely works for porn.

[spam] owns [spam], if you find a video from [spam] on [spam], is very possible the owner of the channel on [spam] gets a cut from ads.

[Lanos]

I shot so many scenes with Kira because is continue to sell, people buy her scenes, this is so simple.

That is honest, but at the same time very sad.

[avanfurwet]

I shot so many scenes with Kira because is continue to sell, people buy her scenes, this is so simple.

That is honest, but at the same time very sad.

If the scenes sell, her fans must be happy.

[avanfurwet]

[spam] owns [spam], if you find a video from [spam] on [spam], is very possible the owner of the channel on [spam] gets a cut from ads.

Interesting. I didn't know that.

I guess that works if the [spam] channel owner = the performer. Also they can upsell some surfers to longer/better quality paid "premium" videos. Which is good.

But if the content is pirated and reposted onto other channels or other tube sites then the performer gets ripped off again. And so it goes on.

[Giorgio Grandi]

I shot so many scenes with Kira because is continue to sell, people buy her scenes, this is so simple.

That is honest, but at the same time very sad.

Its not sad really, instead is very good because it gives to the models a reason to continue performing on long term. This makes understand other models how many scenes they can get at LP and so we have more models that for few scenes they would not came. If the cake is not huge, just few girls would to through the process of big dicks, gangbangs, DAP, pissing etc.

The think you have to really understand is that there is not fresh mean, its harder and harder to get new girls.

We went from 25 new possible faces per week just before 2020 (Europe and Russia based) to 5 per month in 2019. Understand the gap. If we also would shot just few scenes to the few we chose or agree to shoot, without to give the opportunity of a long term revenue, we would have even less new girls.

[Lanos]

^^Certainly. I can only speak for myself. And for me it is just a pity that for the near future, there will only be scenes with the same 4-5 girls over and over again.

[Lanos]

[quote="Giorgio Grandi"][quote="Lanos"][quote="Giorgio Grandi"]
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We went from 25 new possible faces per week just before 2020 (Europe and Russia based) to 5 per month in 2019. /quote]


Thanks for the insight. An honestly meant question - are there no more girls with curves in Europe and Russia? Remember Angel Dark, Rita Faltoyano or Jane Darling? Don't those girls exist anymore? Or why are most LP girls so skinny and flat?

[avanfurwet]

^ In the last week. Emma, Taylee, Dafne, Sofia.

[Lanos]

^ In the last week. Emma, Taylee, Dafne, Sofia.

Sorry for the misunderstanding. I mean scenes from GG. I am not particularly interested in scenes from IV or 1 on 1 scenes.

[Giorgio Grandi]

^ In the last week. Emma, Taylee, Dafne, Sofia.

Sorry for the misunderstanding. I mean scenes from GG. I am not particularly interested in scenes from IV or 1 on 1 scenes.

Curvy girls are only supported if really, really pretty and still not almost enough to justify the shooting except few cases (Jolee Love is well supported for example)
Skinny girls are very well supported, even the girl that are not top stars

[Lanos]

Curvy girls are only supported if really, really pretty and still not almost enough to justify the shooting except few cases (Jolee Love is well supported for example)
Skinny girls are very well supported, even the girl that are not top stars

That's really crazy. I remember Angel Dark. Busty, bubble butt and a beautiful face. The perfect pornstar. And now everybody wants to see those skinny tiny flat girls. Different times, I guess.

[Giorgio Grandi]

Curvy girls are only supported if really, really pretty and still not almost enough to justify the shooting except few cases (Jolee Love is well supported for example)
Skinny girls are very well supported, even the girl that are not top stars

That's really crazy. I remember Angel Dark. Busty, bubble butt and a beautiful face. The perfect pornstar. And now everybody wants to see those skinny tiny flat girls. Different times, I guess.

Angel dark was a skinny with boobs

[xxx]

[spam] owns [spam], if you find a video from [spam] on [spam], is very possible the owner of the channel on [spam] gets a cut from ads.

MFC owns/bought it, not Mindgeek/[spam].

[dap-addict]

We went from 25 new possible faces per week just before 2020 (Europe and Russia based) to 5 per month in 2019. Understand the gap. If we also would shot just few scenes to the few we chose or agree to shoot, without to give the opportunity of a long term revenue, we would have even less new girls.

Just before 2020?
You meant to wrote 2012?

[Lanos]

Angel dark was a skinny with boobs

Hmm, I thought she was very curvy in her early years with a big bottom and big breasts. She lost a lot of weight over the years and became very skinny in the end.

[Giorgio Grandi]

We went from 25 new possible faces per week just before 2020 (Europe and Russia based) to 5 per month in 2019. Understand the gap. If we also would shot just few scenes to the few we chose or agree to shoot, without to give the opportunity of a long term revenue, we would have even less new girls.

Just before 2020?
You meant to wrote 2012?

Sorry I mean before 2010

[Giorgio Grandi]

Angel dark was a skinny with boobs

Hmm, I thought she was very curvy in her early years with a big bottom and big breasts. She lost a lot of weight over the years and became very skinny in the end.

this is because the way to success goes through fasting

[avanfurwet]

... this is because the way to success goes through fasting

Now that really is very sad.

Hope Taylee and Co can make some waves and improve sales for the curvy girls.

[my2daddies]

I've lurked around for a long time. I don't think the site is going down hill. I just think they've moved away from the more hardcore stuff like prolapses. You get them every now and then, but not as frequently. As a business i think they need to appeal to a more mass market, rather than little niches.

[mastercloth]

Ticket system ruins actress diversity, Nikki Hill and Alita Angel are already old news to me...

[chrisssj2]

I agree. 75% of the scenes is uninspired... girls just put their mouth towards streams of piss, most of time without swallow.Without actually having their own originality with it. This is why amateur porn is best in that regard. You have to get lucky to get a decent scene.

[CanadianCouple]

I agree the quantity is up but the quality is down, instant improvement would be to discontinue any scenes are productions with JOACHIM KEESEF, Joachim in any scene is UNWATCHABLE please get rid of him and his lame azz production team IMMEDIATELY.

If you dont like him why cant you just ignore his scenes? You dont have to watch them.