Quality of Site Going Downhill

[gangbangfan99]

Disclaimer: My post has nothing to do with trans porn. It's just a realization I came to.

I've been watching scenes here for years and recently went back to the 2015/2016/2017 era of Legal Porno - what I call the Golden Era. I compare them to the scenes on the site now and it's night and day in quality. The performers were way better back then and the female talent was not only diverse but abundant. There was a large collection of female performers filming consistently great scenes.

I look at LP in 2020 and the female performers have dwindled to a handful of the same girl and the scenes continually lack the quality and production they once did. I'm not sure why this is happening - budget or whatnot - but the quality of the scenes that LP has put out has gone down dramatically. Don't get me wrong, there's still some great scenes that they occasionally produce but generally it's the same rolodex of girls in repetitive and boring scenes and settings.

I miss the days of Clockwork Gang with Belle Claire and other great whores. I understand some girls retire or just do [spam] or whatever but they haven't been replaced properly. And the direction of the scenes are predictable and old.

Is it just me? Am I being too negative?

[CanadianCouple]

Here we go again.

[gangbangfan99]

Here we go again.

Fuck off dude. It's a discussion. Not everyone has to have the same opinion as you.

[xxxtentionn]

Here we go again.

Fuck off dude. It's a discussion. Not everyone has to have the same opinion as you.

right

[avanfurwet]

Interesting topic. IMO I don't think LP is going downhill.

There were other "golden eras" in the past. For example the days of the Sineplex and Grandi studios in St Petersburg up to c.2010.
Did we think they were "golden eras" at the time? I think we just enjoyed what was in front of us.

Each era will have it's stars. Some will like the new stars. Some will complain "it's not like the old days". But complaining won't change anything.

Grandi has posted about this several times. Porn is changing. Technology is changing, The market is changing. Girls have different options now.

I think the empowerment of porn girls by internet technologies is a good thing. They can make their own content now for for camsites, [spam], VRs, etc. They can work in safety at home, doing what they want during the hours they want. More newbies can try the work. Some may enjoy it enough to want to graduate to professional production studios, like for example Bella Mur. It's all good.

Personally I'm thankful that beauties like Nikki Hill, Alita Angel, Alessandra Amore, Megan Venturi and so many more are coming to shoot with LP studios. So personally I do think the retiring talent like Belle Claire has been replaced properly. And I'm thankful that Joachim brings different girls, even though he dresses them in old shower curtains.

Also IMO, I don't find the content too repetitive because generic sex activities are repetitive and I'll never cease to enjoy them or enjoy watching them. But I'm probably in a minority here because I've no interest in seeing girls drowned, crucified, machine-gunned or whatever some fine upstanding members of this forum are baying for this week.

I would like to see more storylines like the "Clockwork" series and I think it's good that GG is planning more. Also it lets the performers have some fun beyond endless "wham, bam, thank you ma'am" scenes.

LP will only change if customers vote en masse with their money not their mouths, or if posters in this forum can actually persuade the producers with positive commercially viable suggestions and not just weird minority fetishes.

[Kaderon]

In my opinion "Going Downhill" is not the right term. I rather think LP has become incredibly monotonous. The same skinny girls every few days. There are no more surprise elements, no WOW effects. Nicole Black # 60, Sindy Rose #30, Anna de Ville #60, Kira Thorn #70..week after week the same routine. When was the last time GG shot with a black girl or a girl with a booty? I'd be surprised if GG wasn't bored with his own stuff. It can't be exciting to shoot the same scene with Kira Thorn every 2 days.

[Iddaoeeok]

There are no more surprise elements, no WOW effects.

Yes, using a trans model, absolutely no-one noticed or comment on that

[Kaderon]

One scene with a Trans Model of course kills my whole argumentation. Especially if it is rather a controversial example.

[Jocke]

Guys, please don't fight!
This is an important topic, but it is not black or white.

Number of scenes
I would like to argue for that it is damn difficult to be continuously creative while having to deliver a high number of scenes per week. We see this at all porn sites, quantity over quality. Personally I prefer watching the same well done scene several times rather than having a high number of similar scenes. I can't count how many times I have watched Megan&Elen's New Years PeEve or the Natalie Mars trilogy. Well scripted, performed and filmed! I will go back to them many times again rather than take a chance on something which looks like something I have already bought before.

Type of performers
Variety wins! We all have different preferences so going in one or the other direction won't help. A multitude of girls with different body shapes and ethnicity, not to mention personality would be a big improvement. It would also make sense to shoot 3-4 scenes with varied content and then wait several months before shooting the same girl again. Let us be amazed and then let us build a craving. I am still waiting and hoping for more scenes with Jessica.

"Themes"
Sure this is an anal site and I hope that it will continue to be an anal site but that doesn't mean you can't combine with other fetishes. The piss and anal combination seem to be a winner. Just pissing like VIP is bit boring. However there are many thing to steal from competition. VIP do some nice close ups of girls pissing. Why not have close ups of girls pissing with a dick in their ass? There are also opportunities for bukkake, ass licking by the boys and squirt drinking by the boys. Also being an anal site shouldn't mean that we do not get to see pussy gapes. Sarah Bell in latest scene looked great spreading her pussy while over the mirror table (but why wasn't she pissing?). I can also watch girls shaving scenes for hours. There is nothing more relaxing than watching a woman fold her lips back and forth to try to cut all the hair. All scenes do not have to have high pace frenetic pumping. Slow but in depth nasty is better IMHO.

Stories
Yes I understand that this is mainly a gonzo site but there could still be a variety in scenarios. Why not have a brothel theme? Let guys come to a "brothel", get to see a line of girls and then pick one or two? This could divert into several scenes.

I think we should try to have constructive criticism. It is always better to tell what you want than to tell what you don't want. It is probably also useful to try to be creative and even to co-create with fellow forum members.

[avanfurwet]

I agree the Lansky sites & similar are technically well lit and well shot. The California-based producers have always had the great advantage of having a huge number of self-employed Hollywood technicians and equipment available for moonlighting. But the Miami producers seem to hold their own. I also think the DDF sites in Europe are quite well produced.

Good idea to try multi-cams - at least in single-girl scenes where the action is mostly static on a couch or whatever. But it's more work to edit in the best footage and discard all the dross.

Good idea to try boom mikes. Some of the faked echoey sound in LP videos is embarrasing. But I'm guessing competent sound technicians are expensive and hard to find. And they'd have to learn to fit in unobtrusively with the LP director's own way of working, which takes practice. And the more technicians on set the less "intimate" the shoot becomes.

Question - is it worth investing in better quality in this age of home-made webcam/[spam] porn shot on iPhones? Or is better quality a tool for the professional studios to gain market share?

[drinside]

What LP needs is not keep casting the same over and over again. Look for new girls, different types (not talking about trans) and shapes.

[xxx]

Yet we have more members than ever.

[xxx]

it is all the way down,
the money man is producing for tube sites where the real money is, but producers get none of it

I'll ban and wipe your account unless you apologize and recognize that you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. In reality partner studios have always been making way more than we have.

[Wotan29]

Yet we have more members than ever.

Imagine how many more members LP could have, when listening a bit to some good points and constructive criticism
here in this thread and since over a year in a lot of other threads with the same topic...

[Iddaoeeok]

Mrxxx this is your site and you own it and you’ll do as you please.

... which is the only pertinent sentence in that whole post.

[CanadianCouple]

Here we go again.

Fuck off dude. It's a discussion. Not everyone has to have the same opinion as you.

No, but people like yourself find porn miserable and think that a porn company should make porn ONLY FOR YOU and everyone else's interests are crap. And then you pollute a forum with your bile because you have a hard time getting off because a cumshot is 1 inch too far to the left.

[avanfurwet]

.......good bye LP

Bye.

[xxx]

it is all the way down,
the money man is producing for tube sites where the real money is, but producers get none of it

I'll ban and wipe your account unless you apologize and recognize that you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. In reality partner studios have always been making way more than we have.

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Mrxxx this is your site and you own it and you’ll do as you please. Now the question is, di I brake any of the forums rules?
I just expressed mi mind from all the reading I have done about MindGeek, And you want to punish me, who will be next.

Don't come here to spread misinformation. Banned.

[gangbangfan99]

Yet we have more members than ever.

You're living off name-brand recognition. What happens when that wears off?

You know, Kink used to be the leader of Gangbangswith Boundgangbang/Hardcoregangbang and that brand wore down to garbage after some key individuals left the company and they stopped trying to put great scenes and mailed it in. They still had the subscribers but even those started to dwindle.

You're admitting now that because you have 'more members than ever' that it's okay to be lazy and continuously produce the same type of scenes witht he same girls over and over.

[CanadianCouple]

Can this fucking loser get banned FFS. This forum is negative enough as it is. If you cant get off on this porn, go somewhere else. Jesus Christ.

[CanadianCouple]

PS - free speech laws in countries apply to the government punishing you for speaking freely. Not a privately owned forum. If the owner of a private site doesnt want you here, they ban you. You dont have " right" to be here.

[Pissing]

LP is super. Period.
My subscription is up and running.
LP has beautiful girls, peeing, skinny girls, and yes, also variation.
LP is doing a great job, and for such a long time already.
LP is not relying on only 1 producer, but there are several producers, that is why LP has always been able to offer good quality over a longer time.
Without LP, my life would be dull.

I really do not understand guys complaining about LP.

[Lanos]

I really do not understand guys complaining about LP.

Actually, you're answering your own question.

Without LP, my life would be dull.

[avanfurwet]

^ I don't think you deserve to be banned for what you said. But I don't run things around here.

People can agree, or disagree. Sometimes rationally. But the level of hysteria can become a little annoying.

[Giorgio Grandi]

2 cents.
I am not a native english speaking, but if you translate to my native language, even the title of your post sounds insane.

"Quality of Site Going Downhill"
In my language Express a generalized and widely shared idea between the user or it express a suggestion to other users regarding how incontestably the Quality of the site Going Downhill


"In my opinion the Site is Going Downhill"
Represent your personal opinion

There are several way to express an opinion, but there is a huge different in the way you express a personal opinion looking for support/sharing and when you assume your opinion is already widely shared.

Than, there are pure moron that consider their thought as "pure law", specially when they do not have a clue (and visigoth have been writing BS all over the website for months)

[dap-addict]

It's not what's in front of the camera at LP that is the problem, it's what's behind the camera.

Not sure LP is going downhill.
But directing and camerawork is indeed becoming a problem mainly because its too repetitive.
At GIO I really always wait for Giorgio Grandi himself directing a scene again, its such another feel!
At gonzo it became much more repetitive since Luis had gonzo monopoly after Stefano and Proxy had to leave duely. Still I dont get why they wont find new loyal directors for gonzo?
And IV is just an own universe basically. Joachim is really listening critics finally, while at the same a lot of IV antiques keep a grip and wont change ever it seems.

Basically at gonzo and GIO there is a feel like they are convinced they found the right recipe and wont change much anymore. Good example is the Polly Petrova lingerie reference. Generally one could say they dont care much about lingerie and how girls are dressed to fuck anyway, while here would be a cheap way to easily create different moods and be less repetitive. But while @ gonzo Luis assistants choose excellent girls usually, nobody seems to care to instruct Luis how to dress and how to film them. While he himself is kept in his same old success model, boring the hell out of users more and more since its always the same intro, the same sequence of positions etc. Same with GIOs assistant director(s).

I hope LP mastermind behind IDs this problem because gaining new members is one thing but keeping them interested over a longer period another.

[IndyPleco]

IV is just an own universe basically. Joachim is really listening critics finally, while at the same a lot of IV antiques keep a grip and wont change ever it seems.

I don’t get the impression much has changed. Insertions are still cut, models still covered and makeup still heavy, despite all the calls to change it up. It’s great that he’s active on the forum, but there’s always a bit of a language barrier that makes it difficult to get ideas across.

Basically at gonzo and GIO there is a feel like they are convinced they found the right recipe and wont change much anymore. Good example is the Polly Petrova lingerie reference. Generally one could say they dont care much about lingerie and how girls are dressed to fuck anyway, while here would be a cheap way to easily create different moods and be less repetitive. But while @ gonzo Luis assistants choose excellent girls usually, nobody seems to care to instruct Luis how to dress and how to film them.

Interesting to read a complaint about the dressing at Gonzo. I always feel like they mix it up well. When I look at the tiles on the Gonzo IG, it looks like a nice palette to me.

[avanfurwet]

Since LP deleted gangbanger's post - can you please also delete my post earlier today which contains details about the same controversy. Thank you.

[hjohjole]

Yet we have more members than ever.

What if it turns out that poor quality porn actually have a bigger audience and brings more members to the site than good porn does. What then? Are you just going to follow the money and let this become a website for grannys, trannys and pussy porn if it turns out that is what sells best?

Is there really no pride or ambition to create the very best porn there is anymore? It seemed to me that this always used to be the main driving force behind LP productions up until about the end of 2016.

[mastercloth]

Ticket system literally kills women variety. This is the principal problem here, if a beautiful girl that is a good performer doesn't sell well we will never see her again.

So the scenes are almost always the same girls doing DAP+piss until exhaustion. I don't even watch Gonzo scenes anymore, Giorgio is literally carrying the site in quality and women diversity.

[Sweep11]

I have said it before and say it again now: (imho) LP is the greatest porn site currently available for those that like hard anal and group sex between beautiful people.

Sure, I sometimes think I’d like some extra variety in the clothing, makeup, camera angles, positions and ‘feel/mood’ of scenes.
But then I realise I have nearly 2000 scenes.
All my expectations and fantasies have been covered at some point.
Can I really expect each one to be a standalone masterpiece?
No, of course not. There is a finite limit to the combination of ways two or more people can fuck.

But part of the attraction for heavy porn users is the search for ‘the one’.
That one, ultimate, impossibly perfect scene that has EVERYTHING you want to see in one 45 minute vision of ecstasy.
Which is of course impossible.
But LP has come close many times for me.
So night after night I continue my search, my vigil, my dream of ‘the one!’

[Wotan29]

Yet we have more members than ever.

You're admitting now that because you have 'more members than ever' that it's okay to be lazy and continuously produce the same type of scenes with the same girls over and over.

+1

[Wotan29]

Yet we have more members than ever.

What if it turns out that poor quality porn actually have a bigger audience and brings more members to the site than good porn does. What then? Are you just going to follow the money and let this become a website for grannys, trannys and pussy porn if it turns out that is what sells best?

Is there really no pride or ambition to create the very best porn there is anymore? It seemed to me that this always used to be the main driving force behind LP productions up until about the end of 2016.

+1

[Wotan29]

Directing and camerawork is indeed becoming a problem mainly because its too repetitive. At GIO I really always wait for Giorgio Grandi himself directing a scene again, its such another feel! At Gonzo it became much more repetitive since Luis had gonzo monopoly after Stefano and Proxy had to leave duely. Still I don´t get why they wont find new loyal directors for gonzo.

Basically at Gonzo and GIO there is a feel like they are convinced they found the right recipe and wont change much anymore. Luis himself is kept in his same old success model, boring the hell out of users more and more since it´s always the same intro, the same sequence of positions etc. Same with GIOs assistant director(s).

I hope LP mastermind behind IDs this problem because gaining new members is one thing but keeping them interested over a longer period another.

All alarm bells should ring at LP, when even dap-addict - the biggest LP and Giorgio fan and biggest LP and Giorgio "defender" - basically says:

Scenes of the only relevant LP studios (GIO and Gonzo) are totally repetitive and are getting boring.

Personally I feel like this since over a year (with few exceptions like e.g Anna de Ville´s 50th scene Part 1 - scripted by herself, probably that´s the reason, why it was somehow different!). But contrary to all the announcements (for example Giorgio wrote in early 2019, he plans 50% of his scenes with a small storyline), almost nothing seems to happen in terms of more variety and more creativity (apart from the start of shooting trans scenes).
It´s a pity.

[magizi877]

I'm mind blown by dap-addict's comment.

I thought he was such a massive fanboi, that he could see no wrong. haha.

In a way I'm happy that LP is making them more money than it did before.

There are more people buying LP scenes and
each individual movie is more expensive than before.

What else did you expected to happen? lol

But I'm sad because it looks like the only thing they care about, is money.

I could never do something I hate, for money.
It would be difficult, even if my life depended on it. lol.

I mean, in 2017 I'm the guy who opted to wreck my motorcycle,
I could have killed myself, lucky it wasn't that bad.
because a Squirrel decided to cross the road as I was passing by it. lol.

It came out, in the worst possible moment, lol.

I was like: "Oh no!, a squirrel"

-(I'm gonna kill that squirrell)-

-Hell no!, "swosh!"

(motorcycle GONE), lol.

The whole thing happened in like 1.5 seconds it was crazy, lol.

Also, broke an arm, but I didn't kill the little guy.

Giorgio Grandi said he hates pissing, yet produces pissing scenes weekly.

There is a point when, having more money, doesn't really impact one's life in any significant way.
I'm pretty sure he passed that point, long ago.

And at that point, you won't care if your bike is worth 20 grand or whatever,
The squirrel is more important, lol

But I might be wrong. And I got a new bike, so who cares. lol

Talking of quality is kinda difficult because porn can't be measured in conventional ways.
And is hard to argue against claims such as "we are making more money than ever before"

But, I mean,

The new lion king movie, made more money than the 1994 version.

But is objectively a worse movie.

We all saw it, right?

I mean, "Avengers Endgame" is the highest grossing movie of all time,
but do you even remember what happens in that movie? lol

The movie came out last year, just saying.

There are more people watching movies today
than 25 years ago

and they are more expensive.

so, of course movies will make more money.

See? same situation

You know, awesome porn isn't necessarily the best selling porn.

But is all subjective, I mean, for me, THE best movie,
is Katie Sottile first ever porn scene.

That was just on a whole other level of amazing, lol.
And it flew under everyone else radar.

SAD. lol

[Wotan29]

I'm mind blown by dap-addict's comment. I thought he was such a massive fanboi, that he could see no wrong. haha.

Same here.

In a way I'm happy that LP is making them more money than it did before. But I'm sad because it looks like the only thing they care about, is money.

Same feeling here.

There are more people watching movies today than 25 years ago and they are more expensive. So, of course movies will make more money. See? Same situation.

Yeah, see. But LP and Giorgio deny to see it.

You know, awesome porn isn't necessarily the best selling porn.

This!

I mean, for me, THE best movie, is Katie Sottile first ever porn scene. That was just on a whole other level of amazing, lol.
And it flew under everyone else radar.

Not under my radar. All Katie Sottile scenes are still in my personal top scenes ever.
Where are the girls, who really get off in LP scenes?
And where are the male performers, who really can give a girl orgasms?
And why shoot LP directors mainly "next position" acrobatic exercises instead of allowing a flow which leads to possible orgasms?

[Giorgio Grandi]

Mazigi,
you know you are one of the few I follow in the forum, but I think you somehow misunderstood the point.

I shoot what would sell and what could help LP to grow, it doesnt matter I like it or not.
Something like: "Im going to change the fork of my bike with a new one that is available only on pink color, I do not like pink, but this makes my bike more save, so this is what I think it is right to do and so I change also the saddle, I will buy one pink, so my bike will it will look better even if I do not like pink.

Wet content bring profit, but a big part of this profit is used to finance or support content that are not selling properly and there are many (hiping that to get more members interest in the content that now do not sell enough)

You are right, all of this is very subjective, I personally like the last Lion King, much more than the one from 25 years ago and my kids would tell you the same. It interesting how my kids did not stuck on the old Lion King but they are hipnotized with the last one.
And about Endgame, sorry but I personally like it.

I personally like squirrels, but in the case one would cross the street I would not give a fuck. Poor squirrel, Im sorry for him and thats it.
Its just a fucking squirrel, its not work my harm.
Buy just saying, this is just my point of view I believe someone would think different.

The reason why scenes seams boring (to a few) its not because the content are boring imho, but because you chocked the chicken constantly on LP for years and now you are a bit saturate, it is understandable.

You write this:
"There is a point when, having more money, doesn't really impact one's life in any significant way.
I'm pretty sure he passed that point, long ago."

I feel a bit offended as money are re-invested in production more than on anything else.
The fact you do not like the content is subjective, but its objective to see how the content are far more expensive than just few years ago. Here again you can say more expensive doesnt mean "better", but there are a lot of reason why content are more expensive and it is not connected only to the running cost of the production and increase of quality but also to the performers that are asking more money.

Now you woud tell me we could produce less content, but this would be even worse for the production (less content means less girls and higher price) and worse for the website (more updates means more audience that visit daily the website).

About many scene with the same girl, this is a mirror of the movie industry. Take netflix, they make serie with the same people all over again and they have huge success, this because the story hold the people looking at many episode. In the case of LP is the way the anal content are shot that keep user purchasing the scenes.
We can add that this happened also on DVD market long ago, for many years after DVD the producer focused on new girls just because was easier and cheaper than keep shooting the same one than create an audience interest on a particular performer.
Kudos to LP that was able to make it run again. Its a big plus this, not a negative fact.


From now on, YOU doesnt mean you as Mazigi but I mean the users in general

I read a lot of insane comment about trans content, as gay people would watch gay content. If you read some old stats about sales on DVD market, you will see that gay people do not watch trans movie at all. If you went to a pornshop long ago, you maybe even remember how on the shelf with the "new releases" you could find trans movies and hetero movie close to each other while the gay new release had his own area.
Statistically, gay people watch gay and hetero movie and a big part of who watch gay movie are people with a normal hetero sexual relationship.
In other word, you do not need to be a vampire to watch a horror movie.

Now, I believe someone is not interest in trans content, but I also believe many are interested. If you consider that in the top 100 movie ever the xmas triology with Natalie Mars is placed on position 7, 20 and 32, that you can came to my conclusion. The fact you do not like it is fortunately supported from the ticket system: you are not paying for something you do not wish to watch.

And said all of that, when you go to purchase the DVD of old Lion King in a DVD shop, you do not shout to the shop manager telling you want the old one because the new one sucks (in your opinion), you just purchase another movie or you came back to the shop another day.

[avanfurwet]

^Good post, thanks for posting.

... And said all of that, when you go to purchase the DVD of old Lion King in a DVD shop, you do not shout to the shop manager telling you want the old one because the new one sucks (in your opinion), you just purchase another movie or you came back to the shop another day.

True, but also the producers of Lion King:

(a) don't make several scenes a week ~ so they can't be agile like you in responding to sales and audience reaction.

(b) don't AFAIK run a forum where fans can exchange ideas and views and sometimes interact with the producers.
(even if only a tiny minority of fans participate, and are noisy and badly behaved and post 99% pure BS.)

So thanks for interacting

[Dominator]

As fans, were also need to take a look at ourselves. Sure, I have questioned the direction of LP in the past. But then they would release an amazing scene that I absolutely loved. I’ve come to realize that it’s more or less impossible to please everyone, especially as the site has grown over time.

So what I do is take breaks from the site (and porn in general). I think many of us are desensitized to what we see because hardcore porn is available within a few clicks at all times. When I come back to it, amongst the many new scenes available, there are always a few that appeal to me.

If your just a FAP addict who jerks off to porn every single day, you eventually get to the point where almost everything loses its appeal. I suggest monitoring your use and staying busy with your families and careers. Porn, in general, becomes exciting again once you stop over consuming it.

It’s probably true that over half the LP scenes don’t appeal to me, but let’s not lose sight of the fact that LP has pushed the entire industry forward with their unique brand. You may not love every single scene, but I’m continually impressed by the content. You just can’t find this stuff anywhere else.

[Giorgio Grandi]

^Good post, thanks for posting.

... And said all of that, when you go to purchase the DVD of old Lion King in a DVD shop, you do not shout to the shop manager telling you want the old one because the new one sucks (in your opinion), you just purchase another movie or you came back to the shop another day.

True, but also the producers of Lion King:

(a) don't make several scenes a week ~ so they can't be agile like you in responding to sales and audience reaction.

(b) don't AFAIK run a forum where fans can exchange ideas and views and sometimes interact with the producers.
(even if only a tiny minority of fans participate, and are noisy and badly behaved and post 99% pure BS.)

So thanks for interacting

The point is that long ago most of "porn" forum were populated with many and many director/producers. Now, you can count the number of producer/director that interact with the users probably on the fingers of a single hand.
The reason why producer/director stopped to interact, as far as I remember, was because of some producer/director bad mouthing others, even using fake account to spread false or shady information. And several "real user" good hooked to any nonsense.
I believe still here on LP forum, there are several accounts run from people involved in porn that are not customers but they like to create drama of bad mounting model, etc.