The education of a male pornstar

[Kuckmal-Jbeam]

Having been a porn consumer for longer than 15 years, I have learned a great deal about how girls come into the porn world and how they develop their skills. I have seen so many interviews, BTS, social media posts, that gave me a great overall idea of how girls navigate this business. It's not unusual to hear them say they first tried anal on a porn set and that many other things were experienced solely in porn.

Now I wonder: what about male pornstars? Do you think they choose this career generally for money and that the beautiful girls is just a plus, or do you think they are in general a bunch of horndogs wanting to spread their DNA in as many girls as possible and try the most extreme sex acts? I wonder how directors pick new guys and how they know that they will be good performers. Reliable male talent is hard to come by as I have heard. I once read that dick size counts but I have seen guys with big dicks that were really lazy and didn't even know how to fuck for the camera. At the same time I have seen here and at other forums so many viewers that will comment on how a particular male actor have contributed to unforgettable scenes. Some of those guys ended up having their own lines/label and even studios because of their particular styles and personality, and the ability to get any girls to connect with them and accept to do extreme stuff on screen, but also the ability to connect with their audience.

But until they get to that point, they need to develop and hone their talents. In 2013 (I think), when I started watching LP I remember that most of the scenes had Ian Scott, Markus Dupree, Ed Junior and Mike Angelo. There were some veterans dropping by but those guys were almost in every scene. Then I remember when they started bringing in some new faces. I remember when they brought Chris Diamond along and he'd always participate but mostly just hang around giving support to other actors, and sometimes participating in a DP. But it took a while for him to take part in DVP and DAPs. I see the same happening with some Gio guys like Mad Bundy and Michael Fly. They would be there just as another stand-in dick and after a considerable amount of time participating in the videos, they'd become active pounders in DAPs and the like. Michael for example has been doing a lot of work as anchor, a role that used to be exclusively Angelo's part. On the other hand I don't understand why a guy like Mr Anderson that also has a more supporting role in Gio's scenes get to direct his own stuff for Gio's Lab. Nothing against him but he's pretty bland. And more recently I read people commenting on a guy, Black Prince, that has worked consistently for Joachim on IV and he also started just as another dude in the scene, and now is taking more of a prominent fucker role. Joachim even commented that the guy is still learning but it seems like he's doing good with the audience that has shared positive feedback.

I wonder if those guys - not just the ones I mentioned but male pornstars in general - experience things the first time also on sets or if they come with a certain baggage to perform in certain scenes and roles. I'd not be surprised if a lot of them also, just like the girls, tried something sexual first on tape considering that life is not a porn movie and it's hard to find girls that will partake in the most porn like "genres". I wonder if they are taught by the other actors, or if they have scene partners that practice some stuff with them off camera, etc. The education of a male pornstar is an interesting topic and I guess that every guy that have fantasized about being in porn has thought about how it works for the guys.

[Jocke]

I can't answer your questions but I would like to defend Mr. Andersson.
He does two of my favorite things:
1. Standing anal against a wall
2. Bar stool fucking with the girl bent over

[IndyPleco]

Mr Anderson, Rocket or however he’s called these days, is one of the few male performers I appreciate. His work with TeenCoreClub is absolute porn gold.

[Kuckmal-Jbeam]

I can't answer your questions but I would like to defend Mr. Andersson.
He does two of my favorite things:
1. Standing anal against a wall
2. Bar stool fucking with the girl bent over

It' okay to share your impressions. No need to give me an exact answer to my questions. It can be based on things you have observed as I myself have observed stuff that I wrote in my post.

He's not bad, just not stands out like others.

Mr Anderson, Rocket or however he’s called these days, is one of the few male performers I appreciate. His work with TeenCoreClub is absolute porn gold.

Nice to know you get something from his performances.

But please try to participate in any way you can in regard to the main subject this thread is about. It'd be cool to hear from you.

[dap-addict]

Very little known about porn studs and their motivations, indeed.
One of the few I know is Italian guy from gonzo, forgot his name now, but he's traveling with Chris to Columbia now.
He started for money as far as I know and his first scenes were quite a disaster. He couldnt get it up etc. Still, now he's one of the more important studs for Luis, just 1 rank after MCT.
This shows that they are just humans, too, who need money and fail in front of flashes no matter how hot the girl might be.
Later for that guy came a hard fight against his inner fear of failure again. Very hard job for sure!

[Ultra-Gape]

I've not watched them but I wonder if Rocco's Porn Academy movies might give any insight?

Personally I have no idea about motivations but my main thought is that the importance of a good male performance generally seems to be seriously undervalued.

[101mike101]

I've read in other forums how some guys got to be in the porn-business. And these guys always came with a lady, who was willing to do porn, and who insisted that this guy be her partner.

Doing it in public in front of the camera isn't just hard for new guys. It's also hard for new women. So, a new woman would often start doing porn with a guy she knows and trusts. And once she gets comfortable being on the set and doing it in front of the camera, then she might start doing it with other guys too. And it's like that for her guy too. Once he proves himself in a scene or two, then other porn ladies might choose him to do it with them too.

A guy needs a female escort to bring him into porn. She is his ticket for becoming a porn-stud.

I think guys naturally want to be studs, who get to nail every lady in sight. Because this is in their genes. But people are always the product of both their genes and their environment. And women are the ones who create the fucking environment for guys.

When women act together in solidarity and respect each other's territory. Then you can end up without any lady at all, if you try to cheat on your girl. You'll acquire a bad reputation, and other women will exclude you. So, you need to be very choosy in this kind of an environment. Because once you choose, then you need to stay with the lady and not leave her without a good reason.

But a group of women sometimes agree to set you free, so that you can nail them all, without being afraid of being excluded by every girl. And in this kind of an environment, your stud-genes really come out, and you become the stud that you've always had the potential to be.

One woman by herself might be powerless. But when women act together in solidarity as a group. Then together they have the power to make you either a faithful one-woman-guy, or a real stud who nails every slut.

I think it's very pleasant for guys to be the stud with many women. Because this kind of thing is in their genes. But money to live on is important too. Because mainstream society usually excludes both women and guys, once they become known in porn. That's why some aging porn-stars sometimes end their lives. Being ostracized and excluded in society can lead to a life not worth living. It's the society who kills them indirectly.

[Ultra-Gape]

Just realised I meant Rocco's Hard Academy, not Porn Academy.

[CanadianCouple]

most get in because they see they want to make money fucking women
after a while, it just becomes a job and does little or nothing for them (which leads to needing double viagra doses, caverject injections, or silicone injections or outright implants in order to have a big hard dick).

I think if you fuck porn stars 1000 times it just isnt going to be exiting anymore.

Manuel is one of the top performers in the world. But his wife is very open about the fact that at this point he just wants to play video games all day and his sex scenes are acted work at this point. Just one example.

[101mike101]

most get in because they see they want to make money fucking women
after a while, it just becomes a job and does little or nothing for them (which leads to needing double viagra doses, caverject injections, or silicone injections or outright implants in order to have a big hard dick).

I think if you fuck porn stars 1000 times it just isnt going to be exiting anymore.

Manuel is one of the top performers in the world. But his wife is very open about the fact that at this point he just wants to play video games all day and his sex scenes are acted work at this point. Just one example.

Any satisfaction in banging women is only temporary. Because it works the same way as appetite for food.

Once you've had enough to eat, then you don't feel like eating anymore. But in a relatively short period of time, you will get hungry again. And that's how it works with having sex. There is no such thing as permanent satisfaction. Guys are sure to want to do it again, after they've had some rest.

It doesn't make sense in terms of human evolution and biology for guys to have permanent sexual satisfaction. Guys always want to do it again, provided that they aren't stressed out due to overwork, lack of sleep, and other immediate needs.

Some guys lose their sexual appetite due to relationship problems, poor health, and a stressful life style. But this has nothing to do with being so satisfied that you don't want to do it again. I think porn-guys, who take care of themselves, are still into it with the women they do, even after many years of doing porn.

And it's not surprising at all that it's Manuel's wife and not he himself, who says that he isn't interested in banging hot women that much. The guy's wife needs to believe something like this, or else their marriage might fall apart.

[dap-addict]

Very little known about porn studs and their motivations, indeed.
One of the few I know is Italian guy from gonzo, forgot his name now...

Luca!

Late but better than never, sorry guys.

[teammelee15]

Very little known about porn studs and their motivations, indeed.
One of the few I know is Italian guy from gonzo, forgot his name now, but he's traveling with Chris to Columbia now.
He started for money as far as I know and his first scenes were quite a disaster. He couldnt get it up etc. Still, now he's one of the more important studs for Luis, just 1 rank after MCT.
This shows that they are just humans, too, who need money and fail in front of flashes no matter how hot the girl might be.
Later for that guy came a hard fight against his inner fear of failure again. Very hard job for sure!

LOL addict seriously?

Like you dont know every single guy on here injects their dicks with Bimix....

"Fail in front of flashes".....You literally can be knocked out and have a rock hard dick...Seriously

But I will say this as far as my experience goes in the Male performing in a (non) porn setting.

When I first started doing Anal just putting it in the bum I would blow my load after a few pumps (literally)

Got use to that and started doing DP. Same thing...couldn't last

Then got fairly use to that and moved up to DAP both with a toy/another guy.

This one took some time to build up a tolerance to the insane tightness and urge of wanting it so bad.

But with some Lidocaine and practice over the years I built up a HUGE tolerance to both the feeling of it all and mentally as well.

Im sure the male stars would say the say thing. But overtime your just use to it and can pound all day long.

Anything besides a tight ass "DP/DAP" is just going through the motions. No matter how good that pussy feels you aint cumming in it no matter how long/hard you bang that chick.

Their is a reason guys jerk off and blow their load at the end of 95% of the scenes....It's the only way I and they can get off for the most part.

Sounds like a horrible thing to experience right? But not really...

When you can bang some lady for hours on end and finish when they have had enough is always a plus in my book.

But to Keep it short Id say male pornstars LOVE it at first but after a year or two I would imagine it gets quite boring/repetitive, and you would just get sooooo Numb to sex as well.

But whatca gonna do? Go work at Ikea or some sh!t?....No

[squirtjunkie]

its probably quite simple:

who would deny fuck all those beautys in top nasty way for free??? even payed???
If the man is able to hold his cock errected its a job like no other under this sun.

and for shure they cant easily stop...they are men....

[101mike101]

V....
He started for money as far as I know and his first scenes were quite a disaster. He couldnt get it up etc. Still, now he's one of the more important studs for Luis, just 1 rank after MCT.
This shows that they are just humans, too, who need money and fail in front of flashes no matter how hot the girl might be.
Later for that guy came a hard fight against his inner fear of failure again. Very hard job for sure!

People usually aren't good at first in anything they do. And this is true even for natural activities, such as walking and talking.

But with practice and experience, people improve and eventually become good at doing it.

I think the reason why many would-be porn-studs fail, when they try to do it, is because they are expected to perform well right away, even they haven't had much practice and experience. And there isn't any easy way for a guy to get lots of porn-like practice and experience, before they try to do it for real. There is no Porn Academy that trains guys and gives them lots of practice, before they graduate and become porn-studs.

It's all done haphazardly and without any system. And that's why there is so much try and fail among would-be studs.

Being a good stud, is partly in your mind. It's not just a physical thing. You need to have the right frame of mind to get it up for the lady and nail her well with your cock.

And some ladies make it easier for you to reach this frame of mind, while other ladies make it more difficult. That's why you can succeed really well with one lady and not so well with another.

But with practice, you learn how to reach this frame of mind. It's not just a spontaneous thing anymore. And that's why you become better at it with experience.

[Giorgio Grandi]

You can put all "porn job" into a stereotype. All scene has is own "story". Girl could be not sexy, even if pretty. Some girl are totally "unfuckable", cold, nervous, irritable, haughty, non-professional, without experience, technically incapable to maintaining a position as it should be done. Maybe they are hot, sexy and pretty, but too wild to keep performing as it should.

Gangbangs are the worse, many actor do not want to shoot gangbangs not because its "homo", but because they cant stand even if injected several times.

You cant chose to be a porn actor, its something "you have" or "you have not". Viagra or injection do not make you a porn actor, but not even close. To be a porn actor means to be able to solve problems, find a compromise between what the girl is often not able to perform properly (and I dont mean not able to get 2 dicks in the ass) and what the directors needs.

Than, you need to be able to have hard dick in this conditions, and performing 30 scenes/month instead than 12 like 10 years ago. Its a terrible job, even if you have fun 50% of the times, you need to suffer to bring at home a decent incoming and you dont get millions.

Without to consider how this job fucks up your personal live and the sexuality on your personal life and doenst have any future when you start to be old.

Male performers in the industry deserve more respect. We can find girls still, but to find a good boy is a challenge, than if he needs also to be reliable, we talk about 4-5 good performers every 10 year.

[101mike101]

You can put all "porn job" into a stereotype. All scene has is own "story". Girl could be not sexy, even if pretty. Some girl are totally "unfuckable", cold, nervous, irritable, haughty, non-professional, without experience, technically incapable to maintaining a position as it should be done. Maybe they are hot, sexy and pretty, but too wild to keep performing as it should.

Gangbangs are the worse, many actor do not want to shoot gangbangs not because its "homo", but because they cant stand even if injected several times.

You cant chose to be a porn actor, its something "you have" or "you have not". Viagra or injection do not make you a porn actor, but not even close. To be a porn actor means to be able to solve problems, find a compromise between what the girl is often not able to perform properly (and I dont mean not able to get 2 dicks in the ass) and what the directors needs.

Than, you need to be able to have hard dick in this conditions, and performing 30 scenes/month instead than 12 like 10 years ago. Its a terrible job, even if you have fun 50% of the times, you need to suffer to bring at home a decent incoming and you dont get millions.

Without to consider how this job fucks up your personal live and the sexuality on your personal life and doenst have any future when you start to be old.

Male performers in the industry deserve more respect. We can find girls still, but to find a good boy is a challenge, than if he needs also to be reliable, we talk about 4-5 good performers every 10 year.

Perhaps it wouldn't be so hard to be a porn-stud, if guys could do it part-time and still continue to work in whatever other profession they have.

Because then they wouldn't have to burn themselves out doing 30 scenes a month every moth, year after year.

Being a porn-stud is so hard, because you end up depending on it for your income, and you can't take it easy, when you need to.

[dap-addict]

You cant chose to be a porn actor, its something "you have" or "you have not". Viagra or injection do not make you a porn actor, but not even close. To be a porn actor means to be able to solve problems, find a compromise between what the girl is often not able to perform properly (and I dont mean not able to get 2 dicks in the ass) and what the directors needs.
(....)
Male performers in the industry deserve more respect. We can find girls still, but to find a good boy is a challenge, than if he needs also to be reliable, we talk about 4-5 good performers every 10 year.

Again, capital post and voice from ex-porn-stud turned into director!
Thanks a lot for your contribution, Giorgio!

[Kuckmal-Jbeam]

You can put all "porn job" into a stereotype. All scene has is own "story". Girl could be not sexy, even if pretty. Some girl are totally "unfuckable", cold, nervous, irritable, haughty, non-professional, without experience, technically incapable to maintaining a position as it should be done. Maybe they are hot, sexy and pretty, but too wild to keep performing as it should.

Gangbangs are the worse, many actor do not want to shoot gangbangs not because its "homo", but because they cant stand even if injected several times.

You cant chose to be a porn actor, its something "you have" or "you have not". Viagra or injection do not make you a porn actor, but not even close. To be a porn actor means to be able to solve problems, find a compromise between what the girl is often not able to perform properly (and I dont mean not able to get 2 dicks in the ass) and what the directors needs.

Than, you need to be able to have hard dick in this conditions, and performing 30 scenes/month instead than 12 like 10 years ago. Its a terrible job, even if you have fun 50% of the times, you need to suffer to bring at home a decent incoming and you dont get millions.

Without to consider how this job fucks up your personal live and the sexuality on your personal life and doenst have any future when you start to be old.

Male performers in the industry deserve more respect. We can find girls still, but to find a good boy is a challenge, than if he needs also to be reliable, we talk about 4-5 good performers every 10 year.

Hi Giorgio!

I value everyone's participation here but most people have broadly digressed from the main question that was about how male pornstars learn to perform in porn. As you put it: it's not about big cock, Viagra, injections and all the stereotypes that people grossly brought up.

So to try to get my questions answered, I'm gonna take this opportunity to pick a few questions from my original post and ask you - a master in this business both as an actor and director - to please answer them in order to have something worth learning on this thread because, no offense to anyone that participated, no one even tried to give any perspective on the original subject matter. At this point I would much rather get your insights than keep on hearing some opinions that have no business in this thread:

so, Giorgio... here are the key questions:

*** Do you think male pornstars choose this career generally for money (and the beautiful girls factor is just a plus), or do you think they are in general horny guys trying to partake in sex acts mostly just seen in porn? (I know you have already said that you either are or aren't a porn performer, but can you please give us an idea about how most guys make the decision to get in this business?)

*** How do directors (including you) pick new guys? And how do you directors know that a guy will be good performer?

*** Once a guy makes into porn, how does he get more of a "lead role" in the scenes? As an example I mentioned that I have seen some guys that start as just another guy in the group, and they basically just stand around masturbating with some few random chances to penetrate the girl. Then some of those guys after a good amount of scenes, seem to transition to the "main team" and participate more in fucking the girls instead of just standing there. Is that part of the "education" of a new male pornstar? Start small and eventually prove his worth?

*** If the above is true, a new guy needs to first learn how to fuck like the other guys or is that more about learning how a porn set operates? Or is it a combination of both? As an example form your studio, I first mentioned your actors Mad Bundy and Michael Fly in my first post. I remember them having a small amount of screen time as just "another stand-in dick" and after a considerable amount of time participating in the videos, they'd become active fuckers in DAPs and the like. Michael for example has been doing a lot of work as anchor, a role that used to be exclusively Angelo's part. Did those guys (and here I am not just talking about Bundy and Fly but new guys in general) have to learn to fuck like pornstars first or did they just had to show they were reliable talent to the crew and understand a porn set?

*** More importantly for the question even: do directors or the other more experienced actors teach new developing male talent how to fuck/perform on camera? Does that ever happen? Like tips on how to penetrate, or how to hold the girl, or how to sit on the couch and show the penetration, etc?

*** It's known that some girls experience a lot of things for the first time in a porn set (anal, gangbang, etc). Is that the same for male pornstars in general?

[Giorgio Grandi]

Kuckmal-Jbeam , here you go

1 - I think a male goes to porn for many reason: sex, money, transgression, challenge. It's impossible to make a real rule or statistic. I dont want to speculate, anyone has his own reason.

2 - Imho, a guy is a good performer when he let you frame properly what he doesnt, for the time you need and specially if he is able to understand when I want something different. Than he needs to arrive on time, dont fuck around, be reliable and hard when necessary, dont bother other actors and girls.

3 - There are not main actors and seconday, its just your impression. There are actor that are more enterprising and other that keep a low profile or still need to understand what is going on.

4 - Most of people believe to be a male performer is just a matter of "fuck and hard dick". This is stupid. Its like is to play football means only to run and hit the ball. You need to understand what to do what and how, use the brain before than use the dick. It takes dozen of scenes to understand it. "Timing" is the more important matter on a group scene.

5 - Any actor has to learn from the others, to work with a good actor can just help you to understand what you should do. Its not a matter of stile, there is only a way to perform: the right one.
Than, there are many actors that do not want new guys to learn from them, so they do every time what is possible to punt in trouble the new guys. Competition is very high in general.

6 - I dont think so.

A personal note: "low ego" makes gangbang better. In few words: personality and ago are very different. An actor with huge personality try to do what is needed to have a great scene (help others boys, the girl and the director on first place), who has a big ego try to just make what is needed to show he is the best actor in the scene (so do not help others and do not help director and model).

thats it.

[Kuckmal-Jbeam]

Kuckmal-Jbeam , here you go

1 - I think a male goes to porn for many reason: sex, money, transgression, challenge. It's impossible to make a real rule or statistic. I dont want to speculate, anyone has his own reason.

2 - Imho, a guy is a good performer when he let you frame properly what he doesnt, for the time you need and specially if he is able to understand when I want something different. Than he needs to arrive on time, dont fuck around, be reliable and hard when necessary, dont bother other actors and girls.

3 - There are not main actors and seconday, its just your impression. There are actor that are more enterprising and other that keep a low profile or still need to understand what is going on.

4 - Most of people believe to be a male performer is just a matter of "fuck and hard dick". This is stupid. Its like is to play football means only to run and hit the ball. You need to understand what to do what and how, use the brain before than use the dick. It takes dozen of scenes to understand it. "Timing" is the more important matter on a group scene.

5 - Any actor has to learn from the others, to work with a good actor can just help you to understand what you should do. Its not a matter of stile, there is only a way to perform: the right one.
Than, there are many actors that do not want new guys to learn from them, so they do every time what is possible to punt in trouble the new guys. Competition is very high in general.

6 - I dont think so.

A personal note: "low ego" makes gangbang better. In few words: personality and ago are very different. An actor with huge personality try to do what is needed to have a great scene (help others boys, the girl and the director on first place), who has a big ego try to just make what is needed to show he is the best actor in the scene (so do not help others and do not help director and model).

thats it.

Hi Giorgio,

Thank you so much for your feedback. It's very nice that you find the time to participate in the forum because it shows that you don't care just about selling scenes but also create some connection with your audience.

One thing that I'd still like to ask you to clarify is how your actors make it, meaning: how do they get hired? How do you select them? Are there agents involved? Do you hold casting calls? Do you take "samples" like a video submission?

And maybe the most important question: how do you know they will be good before seeing them performing? Is there a screen test?

[Giorgio Grandi]

I eventually test new actors that other actors that other actor propose me.

About casting of new guys.
I did about 30-40 casting of new boys in the last 10 yeas, for everyone the test is pretty simple: "take out your dick and make it hard in front of me, you have 45 second", better if other actors are around making fun of of him.

2 people make it, Mark Dozer and Serghey (Russian bold actor you can notice in many "GG" scene).
An actor needs to be hard when I want, no matter if there is a girl or not, he deosnt need to be horny, he needs to do what I ask, when I ask, and in the way that please me also when the situation is totally uncomfortable.

[Kuckmal-Jbeam]

I eventually test new actors that other actors that other actor propose me.

About casting of new guys.
I did about 30-40 casting of new boys in the last 10 yeas, for everyone the test is pretty simple: "take out your dick and make it hard in front of me, you have 45 second", better if other actors are around making fun of of him.

2 people make it, Mark Dozer and Serghey (Russian bold actor you can notice in many "GG" scene).
An actor needs to be hard when I want, no matter if there is a girl or not, he deosnt need to be horny, he needs to do what I ask, when I ask, and in the way that please me also when the situation is totally uncomfortable.

LMFAOROTF!!!

Thank you so much, Giorgio! For your time and for how frank you were answering the questions. I particularly loved this last one because I had no idea how casting calls for male talent worked and yours is quite unique and something I never heard of. I had a hearty laugh when reading about it.

"take out your dick and make it hard in front of me, you have 45 second", better if other actors are around making fun of of him. <3 - It's basically a frat initiation ritual. So damn funny.

I wish other guys in the LP crew would participate and share their views and knowledge. It would help us all better understand this business and how it works.

[Giorgio Grandi]

Kuckmal-Jbeam it is not funny actually, its very raw, but this is how the job is, so it is better that every "aspiring actor" will get the point immediately:
To be a male performer can give you wonderful time, but can also be a total nightmare, you need to be ready for the second side of the job before to enjoy the first one.

[2017sucks]

Interesting topic. For example, I was always wondering is there some "fight" on the gangbang set, between the guys... if some guy like the girl too much and simply don't want to go out and let other guys to fuck. Or opposite, if some guy is there just because of the money, don't like the girl at all and trying to finish his turns as fastest as possible.

[101mike101]

I eventually test new actors that other actors that other actor propose me.

About casting of new guys.
I did about 30-40 casting of new boys in the last 10 yeas, for everyone the test is pretty simple: "take out your dick and make it hard in front of me, you have 45 second", better if other actors are around making fun of of him.

2 people make it, Mark Dozer and Serghey (Russian bold actor you can notice in many "GG" scene).
An actor needs to be hard when I want, no matter if there is a girl or not, he deosnt need to be horny, he needs to do what I ask, when I ask, and in the way that please me also when the situation is totally uncomfortable.

It's possible to cheat in this kind of a test. A guy can take some Viagra, before the test. It wouldn't necessarily lead to erection right away. But it would enhance the guy's ability to erect, when he wants to do it.

It's like cheating in sports. Guys who take hormones are able to do it better than those who don't. But some of those, who don't take hormones, might end up being better athletes than anybody else, if they start taking hormones.

And the thing about getting an erection going in an un-sexy situation is that you can recall and fantasize about some hot lady you like in your mind to feel some lust and to get your erection going. This kind of thing requires mental discipline and focus, which takes practice and experience. But this is the way to do it for a guy who wants to succeed. The sexiness can come from you mind. It doesn't have to be outside.

And that's my point about being a stud. Feeling some lust for hot ladies and enjoying this feeling has to be a part of why guys want to do it. Because without this kind of mental lust, it's pretty hard for a guy to get an erection going, even if he takes some Viagra.

The ability to erect is partly in your mind. It's not just a physical or a mechanical ability. Your mind has to feel the lust one way or another to help you do it. And the feeling of lust is enjoyable in itself.

[Giorgio Grandi]

I witness boys, under 30, lacking of wood with a hot girl, 3 viagra and 2 injections.

The erection is all in your mind, there are stuff that can help, but the stuff doesnt make you hard if you are not done for it.

[magizi877]

I have an opinion about what Giorgio said.

From the perspective of watching pornos and not being behind the camera producing them.

I like hardcore porn.
Meaning that male actors with hard cocks, are required to fuck beautiful women.

My hook to porn are the beautiful women,
without them, I would not care.

So far, I could be completely happy with most porn websites as,
very few porn productions don't have "beautiful" women.

BUT

I also like deep, male to female, sexual penetration.
Be it deepthroat, anal or vaginal.

My favorite is probably deepthroat, lol.

The deep part is particularly important for me.

And I know, one cannot penetrate deeply enough,
if your cock isn't hard enough.

Your wife can tell the difference between semi-excited and horny, lol.

I bring this up, because, male actors cocks,
not being hard enough, is a constant problem in porn
and therefore, deep penetration is a thing that kinda rarely happens.

and the way Giorgio describes the process of filming porn
almost sounds like porn directors are making it more difficult, on purpose, for the male actors.

I imagine being a male porn actor, is kinda like
entering a public restroom, that is completely full,
normally you enter your house restroom, solo,
but here you are surrounded by 20-30 people
and you have a difficult time, peeing,
that awkward moment when, you are waiting for the pee to come out
and nothing seems to happen.

We all been there, right?

I guess being a porn actor, is like exposing yourself to that situation
and being able to on command, erect your penis, sounds pretty hard,
because who has sex on public or with an audience.
The audience being the porn staff, actors, etc

I have followed Gonzo since they started and
I've noticed this problem, everytime, they get a new guy.
The problem being, the new male actor struggling to "get hard"
It happens to this day.

Like, just go back and watch 2013 or 2014 Gonzo movies, when Chris Diamond first shows up.
he has trouble keeping his dick hard, on pretty much every scene.

You see him now, and his dick seems to be made out of glass, lol.
At some point, between 2013 and 2019, he got used to the Gonzo environment..

My point is that, getting your cock to stay hard for porn production, might have to do more with familiarity
rather than will power, or mind over matter as Giorgio suggests.

Maybe you just need your recruits to hang around behind the scenes,
for any number of weeks on a daily basis, letting them get used to the people working there,
the environment, start getting used to being naked, etc
letting the libido accumulate over time, by watching all kinds of depraved sexual acts unfold
until eventually one day they feel like it's "time".

Because I think the way porn production works, at the moment,
it's like throwing people under the bus. You have 45 seconds to figure this out!

That's just crazy.

I can't think of any job that has that harsh of a trial period.
Flipping burgers at McDonalds has a 45 day training period. Just saying. lol

My job as engineer had a 90 day trial.

When I was in the military the physical conditioning program lasted 6 months.
Just so I could start doing what I was supposed to be doing.

And here we are, the porn consumers, suffering through porn
where the male actors can't get hard enough,
because you give them a 45 second test.

[magizi877]

Had a Phone call, lol

ok to finish what I was saying.

I was saying that because, in porn, like the one produced on legalporno,
I wish the opportunity to work there, was given to guys who want to fuck hard,
rather than to the guys who can effortlessly get their dick hard on the first day,
or those who show on time since day one, etc.

IMO those things, like showing up on time, can be taught, seeding habits in them.
but I don't think you can teach a regular guy to fuck hard.

To fuck in a way worthy of a spectacle.

I'm thinking, Mike Angelo, Mike Chapman, Ed Junior, Chris Diamond,
those guys do their job for more than just a pay-check.

and I'm just thinking, of all of the guys who we never got to see,
because they failed the first test that Giorgio made them do. lol

[Kuckmal-Jbeam]

Kuckmal-Jbeam it is not funny actually, its very raw, but this is how the job is, so it is better that every "aspiring actor" will get the point immediately:
To be a male performer can give you wonderful time, but can also be a total nightmare, you need to be ready for the second side of the job before to enjoy the first one.

Hi Giorgio!

I'm not saying it's funny as in "let's laugh at this ridiculous circus fair" but funny to think of how challenging you make it for them (even setting up some guys in the room making fun as you said) and there are the guys that will pass the test because they are naturals for that type of job.

Your delivery was also funny and that's why I laughed. I appreciate your honesty.

[Giorgio Grandi]

magizi87
You got a trial as engineer, because you are already an engineer. If you was not an engineer, no way to got a trial.

the same for porn, just you dont study to be a porn actor, or "you have it" of "you have not".

Porn is still a way to act, but based on the fact you are able to get hard. So, if you are able to get hard, than you can take your time to learn, but the base is that you are "made for porn".

Imagine you have a guy that wish to fuck hard (as you write), but then he is not able to get hard. Does it make sense to you?
I can teach an actor how to fuck hard a girl without to hurt a girl, but I cant teach him how to get hard. I can tell him how to help himself, but he needs to have "the spark" inside him.

If we would give a opportunity to "who wants to fuck hard", we will be watching wood problems all over the scene.

Than, its pretty normal a new guy join a team of actor and he has wood problem, it happens also with good actor, but this doesnt mean he doesnt have "the spark" inside.
This is why we dont take everyone, but just who we believe can make it.

Its not the director that "makes it difficult", its the market (the audience), let me make you a list, just to understand each other about what a user wants:
- gangbangs
- no wood problems
- no cutting during the scene (or the less is possible)
- balls deep DP (and not 3 minutes like 10 years ago) in multiple positions
- DAP, the deeper is possible in multiple positions
- manhandle during the action
- tunnel views in the DAP (or DAP)
- atm (so coordination with the other boys)
This is just that "you" see, there are at least other 10-15 variable the actor needs to think/do during a scene.

Models cost money and if boys are not hard, you still have to pay her the price we dealt before.

On a scene with 3-4 boys, you do not fuck, you work. If you want to fuck and have fun, you do it at home, not on the stage or run your own production and use your own money

[tommysxc]

And I would say that very few guys could keep going the way Mike and Dylan did in Zoe's recent two on one scene. They are relentless!

[squirtjunkie]

most men are shy and perhaps disgusted by touch other guys dicks or cum....
This from 0 to 100 is very seldom....
Guys have either lot of private praxis in those things or acting practice in other labels which " educate" them.
Its kind of nonsense to expect this from anewby.

[Kuckmal-Jbeam]

I can teach an actor how to fuck hard a girl without to hurt a girl, but I cant teach him how to get hard. I can tell him how to help himself, but he needs to have "the spark" inside him.
(edited)

So Giorgio you did say before that you and other actors do kind of "teach" new guys but I'm curious: how is that part of the education? Is it purely verbal instruction? Do you share DVDs/videos from the past to illustrate your point? Do you ask other guys to show newbies? How is that lesson given?

Do you ever get newbies that come in with at least their "porn history class" done? Do you have guys that know what was going in in the 90s with gonzo, and that can name porn divas from old times, and big name directors and stuff like kuckmal? Or is that type of knowledge only us, porn consumers and audience, can talk about?

[101mike101]

....
I can teach an actor how to fuck hard a girl without to hurt a girl, but I cant teach him how to get hard. I can tell him how to help himself, but he needs to have "the spark" inside him.
....
Models cost money and if boys are not hard, you still have to pay her the price we dealt before.
.....

I've once met a woman who taught me how to get hard with her.

She was an experienced Asian woman, who massaged me all over the place in a Nuru-Nuru type of Asian massage. She was hot. And I liked her a lot. I liked her so much that I felt nervous and anxious with her. And that's what stopped me from having a good erection with her.

It wasn't my lack of 'spark'. It was interference from my other feelings that stopped me from having a good erection.

After my massage, the lady lay back into the missionary position and invited me to have a ride with her. But then she saw that my erection wasn't good enough to do this kind of stuff. She looked annoyed for a split second. But then she immediately knew what to do.

She told me to masturbate her pussy with the flat of my lubricated hand. And she showed me how to do it with her own hand on her pussy.

I did as she told me. And I did it well enough that her pussy-lips swelled and became hard. I could feel her clitoral erection on my hand. She started to breathe heavily, like she was getting close to orgasm.

I got a big erection going, when I saw her state of excitement. But I liked massaging her pussy so much, that I didn't want to stop. I wanted to make her orgasm. She had to urge me several times to mount her and ride, while trying to hold back her own orgasm. I eventually did as she said and gave her a good ride.

Later, I went with this lady several times more. And never again did I have any erection problems with her. I simply went after her pussy with the flat of my hand and masturbated her to get her sexually excited. And it was her sexual excitement that got my excitement going every time.

Perhaps guys can't teach other guys how to have an erection. But an experienced and knowledgeable woman can teach guys how to have an erection with her. And once they learn it with her, then they can do it with other women too.

After my learning with this experienced Asian lady, I've never again had any erection problems with any other lady. Because she taught me to focus my attention on the lady and not on myself. When I think about myself, then I become anxious. But when I think about the lady and forget about myself, then all I have is the excitement, without any anxiety. So, I just arouse the chick and take her with my dick.

When the guy is young and healthy, then his problem isn't a lack of spark. It's anxiety that's interfering with his spark. And the solution for this problem is to focus the guy's attention on the lady and away from himself. It might be hard to do at first. But once the guy learns to do it, then he can do it more or less every time.

You can't teach a guy how to have a spark. But this isn't the problem that needs to be solved. The problem is anxiety and too much thinking about himself and his ability to perform. And you can teach a guy how to prevent such thoughts and feelings and how to focus his attention on the lady rather than on himself. This much I can say from my own experience.

[magizi877]

Great post ^

[Kuckmal-Jbeam]

I've once met a woman who taught me how to get hard with her. (edit)

101mike101,

Thank you for participating on my thread.

Even though it's great to know you found someone who taught you how to fuck, I have to point out that LegalPorno is not a school of sex for virgins. It's a fucking PORN studio. It'd be stupid if Giorgio, and everyone else working there, had now to take extra time to teach guys how to feel at easy around women. It's fucking ridiculous to suggest such thing to be honest.

The formula is simple apparently: a guy must demonstrate he's able to get hard fast and stay hard. Then after participating in a few scenes he gets to demonstrate if he's one to keep or to dismiss. So Giorgio, for example, seems to be giving his new talent chances for a trial period.

All this talk about "oh the new guys could be feeling anxious", "oh the poor new guys might be afraid", etc, is annoying as fuck. Porn is for grown ups and not inexperienced virgins. Enough said.

[magizi877]

I think is a larger problem than Giorgio casting virgins, lol, which is probably not the case.

From childhood we are educated to avoid strangers.

We are trained to not speak with anyone outside our social circle.

Having sex with strangers is alien to our brains and bodies.

My theory is that you have to undo all that brain wiring that has been forced into our minds since we were kids.
By letting the potential male actors, witness the behavior of seeing strangers having sex with strangers, on a daily basis.
Until it sinks in as a "normal" behavior. The anxiety theory is brilliant IMO.

I'm not a psychologist, but, sex is a team effort.
Couples seek each other mutual pleasure.

I think porn production should also try to promote an environment where
the actors and actresses are as horny as possible.

The horny actors are always producing the best content.

[101mike101]

.... I have to point out that LegalPorno is not a school of sex for virgins. It's a fucking PORN studio. It'd be stupid if Giorgio, and everyone else working there, had now to take extra time to teach guys how to feel at easy around women. It's fucking ridiculous to suggest such thing to be honest....

When employers can't find qualified workers, then it's normal for them to train such workers themselves. There are many examples of this in various industries. And there is no reason why the porn industry can't do the same.

It doesn't make sense to keep complaining that you can't find qualified workers and leave it at that, as if nothing can be done.

Perhaps female porn-stars aren't good at training potential studs. But there are other sex-workers who are good at doing this. And to make it legal and hopefully get it to pay for itself, the porn-industry can create a live cam or a website that will show how potential porn-studs get trained by qualified sex-workers.

I imagine that some asspiring porn-studs might even be willing to pay to go to porn-stud school for their training.

There is a saying that getting started is being half-done. Because getting started is the most difficult part. Somebody needs to start porn-stud school to get the ball rolling, and then it won't be so difficult anymore.

There is a need for new studs in the porn industry. And somebody in the porn-industry needs to organize training for potential studs. Or else, the porn industry might go into decline, after currently aging porn-studs eventually retire or get too old to do this kind of work.

[c5939635]

2 people make it, Mark Dozer and Serghey (Russian bold actor you can notice in many "GG" scene).

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