LP forums and impact on the website reputation

[pastaga]

Starting a thread about what has been discussed by Giorgio on Sweet Home's thread :

Nothing different than usual, they got mislead from a Russian forum that reports every bullshit you (users) write here (and nowadays only from here as other forums seams death)

Any stupid topic/question as for example the one regarding the injection of juice in the bladder gets posted there, pop up on these russian forums, most of the time reported from people that do not speak proper english and cant translate properly, creating a drama and false information (or its is even done with the purpose to harm the production of LP, I dunno). Models get scared and this is the beginning of a mess.
Than, I would add that some of you posted private pictures of models from their private social account exposing the girl to a "public crucifixion" (not all the model want everyone to know they shoot porn), this is also noted in those forums, many times.
Than I can add that someone using the word "shame" because a model work for a studio and not for another, doesnt help at all and create another drama where people build a castle of speculation.
I can add also than when someone continue to push a model to shoot something she doesnt want to shoot or to shoot for someone specially, continuously every day adding the same comment all over again in every post the model does on social, is basically perceived as a form of stalking and again doesnt help to build a relationship with a model (this problem is not only about Russian models)

All the continue request for pissing or dvp (that are actually more intense on the forum than the request for dap) became on Russian forum a form of terrorism against LP. There are also cases of models writing on the "LP forum" that got upset from what you (users) wrote and this leaded to problems between us and the model.

To looks smart and informed on the activity of the models (for instance where they are going to shoot and what they offer) is a lethal weapon again the production of LP as it informed about movement of models (specially new) helping many people to mislead the girl.

Im so sick of all of this, its insane harmful, makes us to spend more money in general and/or increase cancellation and than makes the price in tickets of the scenes to grow.

Said that: to write that Im obsessed with DAP as a personal form of perversion again create speculation that do not help (without to consider Im absolutely not personally interest in DAP, I would not jerk of on DAP movies at all, but not even close). On the top of this, after 15 years in this industry, imho DVP is a so small niche that it doesnt make sense to shoot. A "no pussy" scene will outsell DVP every time (with the same model), I do not even understand why to give space to someone requesting so obsessively, it just create drama and do not generate any interest.

Russian models do not read this forum (the one on LP), but most of Russian people in the industry read Russian forums and they base their decision a lot on the gossip they can read there, this gossip is based on stupid topics/post that you write here.

In few words: most of problem between producers and models came from gossip and this forum is the main source, nowadays even more than the one of woodman.

It costed me about 5000$ to arrange the situation ONLY with that agent as I hired a new person on full time to rebuilt relationship with 1/2 dozen of people that we know from many years but they are now convinced we do not do our job properly. Imho 95% of the model we are not able to get, if because of stupid post here on LP: it means its related to users that often without to even purchase a scene, write idiotive posts here on the forum of LP that are reported elsewhere.

Some ideas to solve these problems :
- Improve the forum moderation : ban offensive posts about models, excessive requests and everything that can impact LP reputation or the model private life. I'd gladly volunteer to help the moderation team.
- And /or make the forum inaccessible for people who haven't purchased a scene in the last 3 months.

[Moxoxo]

A lot od users are writing about piss when the girl don't like it, like Florane. Pushing to doo dap,tap,quap. We have to understand what is possible and comfortable for every indivual!! And don't writing that a girl looks like a crack whore in this scene... That's their work to pleasure us. I have nothing about constructive critics but the last days here i see a lot of personal atacks and i don't like that. Just my 5 cents

[YumYum74]

Agree with more forum moderation, that might be the thing that's most lacking at the moment.

Constructive criticism, or even criticism in general is fine but there is too much personal attacking, whining for things over and over and over again, talking down scenes because they don't feature this one thing (or feature too much of it), and the list keeps going.

[misangrenegra2]

- Agree with more forum moderation.

- More differentiation between paying users and free users (forum restrictions).

- Control of the obsessive demands (repetitive threads/posts) or maybe try to centralice some fetishes in a proper unique thread.

- Ban the offensive posts and personal attack between users (including models)

- Maybe more info about how works porn/shoots/etc could be fine to avoid fake information

[anonym4]

- Agree with more forum moderation.

- More differentiation between paying users and free users (forum restrictions).

- Control of the obsessive demands (repetitive threads/posts) or maybe try to centralice some fetishes in a proper unique thread.

- Ban the offensive posts and personal attack between users (including models)

- Maybe more info about how works porn/shoots/etc could be fine to avoid fake information

you may think having a lot of rules and supressing users would make the forum better

but supressive forums tend to go to shit

[anonym4]

Any stupid topic/question as for example the one regarding the injection of juice in the bladder gets posted there, pop up on these russian forums

why you care that they pop up in the russian forums? why you care a random person asking a dumb thing?

creating a drama and false information (or its is even done with the purpose to harm the production of LP, I dunno). Models get scared and this is the beginning of a mess.

is a forum with random people, i don't know why models should get scared because of forum threads

All the continue request for pissing or dvp became on Russian forum a form of terrorism against LP

why you care what the russian forum say? is the internet

There are also cases of models writing on the "LP forum" that got upset from what you (users) wrote and this leaded to problems between us and the model.

if the models get upset because of random forum users that are not connected to legalporno, then is their problem for being dumb

to write that Im obsessed with DAP as a personal form of perversion again create speculation that do not help A "no pussy" scene will outsell DVP every time (with the same model), I do not even understand why to give space to someone requesting so obsessively, it just create drama and do not generate any interest.

is a forum and is the internet, why you care if some forum users like dap a lot and request it? they are just forum users, is a forum with random people in it what you expect to get?!
are you gonna delete even dap's requests?

this gossip is based on stupid topics/post that you write here.

i don't know what kind of important gossip can be generated from random people's posts

write idiotive posts here on the forum of LP that are reported elsewhere.

reported how, they are just idiotive posts, reported on what? what importance can have such reports?

[jerrybb]

I have never seen anything illegal on these forums. There maybe some subjects that are not to everyone's taste but there is nothing that would get you arrested in the UK. But sure you get called a perv. Lol
It's a great forum so enjoy and relax do gooders and look at You Tube or Pornhub for cheap Charlie porn instead.

[pastaga]

I have never seen anything illegal on these forums. There maybe some subjects that are not to everyone's taste but there is nothing that would get you arrested in the UK. But sure you get called a perv. Lol
It's a great forum so enjoy and relax do gooders and look at You Tube or Pornhub for cheap Charlie porn instead.

Have you read Giorigio quote on the first post ?
The problem isn't about illegal things. It's about comments and requests that are sometimes misunderstood, and make some agents and models afraid of shooting for LP.

[Iddaoeeok]

- Agree with more forum moderation.

- More differentiation between paying users and free users (forum restrictions).

- Control of the obsessive demands (repetitive threads/posts) or maybe try to centralice some fetishes in a proper unique thread.

- Ban the offensive posts and personal attack between users (including models)

- Maybe more info about how works porn/shoots/etc could be fine to avoid fake information

you may think having a lot of rules and supressing users would make the forum better

but supressive forums tend to go to shit

I can live with that if it means clowns like you are kept off the forum.

I think all that's needed is forum moderation, I wouldn't go any further than that. It doesn't need to be too strict or harsh but it should at least exist, there doesn't appear to be any at the moment other than when xxx turns up in person to kick some joker's sorry ass off the forum.

[anonym4]

I can live with that if it means clowns like you are kept off the forum.

so far i think i respected the forum's rules well

maybe is users like you that go calling other's 'clowns' for no reason the type of users that should really be kept off the forum, hypocrite

[Giorgio Grandi]

You just wrote exactly this:
"if the models get upset because of random forum users that are not connected to legalporno, then is their problem for being dumb"

FYI: you just said that all the models that have had any form of conflict on this forum (and there are several) are dumb. Dam, here we are not getting anywhere...

Maybe you are a newbie, but models do read forums and get upset very fast.

Than: imho you did not even read properly my post, as there are answers to most of you question. Really I dunno what to say, it is like talking to a wall.

I can live with that if it means clowns like you are kept off the forum.

so far i think i respected the forum's rules well

maybe is users like you that go calling other's 'clowns' for no reason the type of users that should really be kept off the forum, hypocrite

[Angel Eyes]

I can live with that if it means clowns like you are kept off the forum.

so far i think i respected the forum's rules well

maybe is users like you that go calling other's 'clowns' for no reason the type of users that should really be kept off the forum, hypocrite

@anonym4, Welcome to my 'mute' list.

[Dudemeister]

Agreed, actually there is no real moderation here except for XXX once in a while. There are not only rude and agressive posts, but also lots of senseless one liners that are nothing more than annoying.. "Hot", "+1", "More" etc.

I'd also volunteer to help, but I'd probably delete too much of that nonsense

[Moxoxo]

i think there is something else going on, in Kiras thread we can read:

Where did you get this info from?

From somebody who is in the biz and it was Kira who told the info to that somebody.

on the hated fella site we can read:
"But yesterday I was with two Russians women, film directors who are preparing a 6 parts documentary about porn industry for the equivalent of Netflix but in Russia.
I can tell you they have already interviewed a lot of Russians porn performers about what's going on in Prague. And without I even open my mouth about my personal feeling they told me things I did not know and make me though : " Oh my fucking god, how is this possible ??? "



Im just a fan, but all this is going in the wrong direction, i dont care how it will end. I never disrespected the look, work, scene = well it's their work, they all do their best to make us happy, but a lot here is going wrong with shitting on performers, scenes, tip fucking, pushing into dap, piss and then the big discovers - whooooooo she did scat - what the fuck !! / the Circus is not in the scene's, its right here on this forum
Don't like it, dont buy it, dont comend it, dont write 5 min after the releas that you are sad - you expected dap, piss and maybe waterbording with 3 dicks in the ass, and after swallowing a line of salt and a tequila...

[anonym4]

You just wrote exactly this:
"if the models get upset because of random forum users that are not connected to legalporno, then is their problem for being dumb"

FYI: you just said that all the models that have had any form of conflict on this forum (and there are several) are dumb. Dam, here we are not getting anywhere...

Maybe you are a newbie, but models do read forums and get upset very fast.

Than: imho you did not even read properly my post, as there are answers to most of you question. Really I dunno what to say, it is like talking to a wall.

i said models shouldn't get conflicts with legalporno because they are upset at random users, forum users don't work with legalporno

if they get upset easily they shouldn't read comments about them

i think you just got internet yesterday and are shocked with it
with time you'll see how internet is

[anonym4]

There are also cases of models writing on the "LP forum" that got upset from what you (users) wrote and this leaded to problems between us and the model.

models should be able to differentiate that forum users and legalporno are 2 different things, and shouldn't get mad at legalporno

[anonym4]

- Agree with more forum moderation.

- More differentiation between paying users and free users (forum restrictions).

- Control of the obsessive demands (repetitive threads/posts) or maybe try to centralice some fetishes in a proper unique thread.

- Ban the offensive posts and personal attack between users (including models)

- Maybe more info about how works porn/shoots/etc could be fine to avoid fake information

you may think having a lot of rules and supressing users would make the forum better

but supressive forums tend to go to shit

I can live with that if it means clowns like you are kept off the forum.

I think all that's needed is forum moderation, I wouldn't go any further than that. It doesn't need to be too strict or harsh but it should at least exist, there doesn't appear to be any at the moment other than when xxx turns up in person to kick some joker's sorry ass off the forum.

i don't care if you call me a clown, but you don't f say things like that after promoting 'moderation' you f hypocrite, you can't promote one thing and do things worse against that thing you just promote

you stupid idiot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eR9G3r-pnOk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjyezodCPJo

[Iddaoeeok]

i don't care if you call me a clown, but you don't f say things like that after promoting 'moderation' you f hypocrite, you can't promote one thing and do things worse against that thing you just promote

you stupid idiot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eR9G3r-pnOk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjyezodCPJo

You don't care if I call you a clown? That's good, because I'm about to call you a clown again. You do understand the meaning of the terms 'moderator' and 'moderation' as used with regard to internet forums and message boards? You know what those terms mean? It's the job of a forum moderator to moderate a forum, to practice forum moderation, do you understand? Or are you a moron as well as a clown?

[anonym4]

i don't care if you call me a clown, but you don't f say things like that after promoting 'moderation' you f hypocrite, you can't promote one thing and do things worse against that thing you just promote

you stupid idiot
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eR9G3r-pnOk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjyezodCPJo

You don't care if I call you a clown? That's good, because I'm about to call you a clown again. You do understand the meaning of the terms 'moderator' and 'moderation' as used with regard to internet forums and message boards? You know what those terms mean? It's the job of a forum moderator to moderate a forum, to practice forum moderation, do you understand? Or are you a moron as well as a clown?

nice, keep calling me a clown all you want

but you understand that's an insult to another member right??
you understand in many forums they ban people because of that right??

you understand moderation is about dealing with people that insult and attack other users like you right? HAHA

you stupid idiot

[Iddaoeeok]

nice, keep calling me a clown all you want

but you understand that's an insult to another member right??
you understand in many forums they ban people because of that right??

you understand moderation is about dealing with people that insult and attack other users like you right? HAHA

you stupid idiot

I thought you were against moderation, genius?

[anonym4]

nice, keep calling me a clown all you want

but you understand that's an insult to another member right??
you understand in many forums they ban people because of that right??

you understand moderation is about dealing with people that insult and attack other users like you right? HAHA

you stupid idiot

I thought you were against moderation, genius?

but you like moderation, yet you insult other users HAHAHA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjyezodCPJo

i dont care, i just say that forums with happy-banning-finger admins tend to lose users and activity very fast

giorgio even said promoting dap is bad hahahaha

to write that Im obsessed with DAP as a personal form of perversion again create speculation that do not help
I do not even understand why to give space to someone requesting so obsessively

HAHAHAHA

[anonym4]

wait did that user that say 'im obsessed with dap' was refering to himself or to giorgio??

i'm not sure, i think it means that that user is obsessed with dap, if he said giorgio was obsessesed with dap then is kinda bad XD

[anonym4]

if it means that sorry then

[anonym4]

Than: imho you did not even read properly my post, as there are answers to most of you question. Really I dunno what to say, it is like talking to a wall.

maybe you didn't read properly my post, there are no answers

i dont think troll/stupid posts & russian mistranslations have much power

legalporno sounds so desperate, being terrified so much about gossip and bad posts, about 'reports', whatever that is, and models being upset and conflicted by troll/stupid/mean posts
or even requesting certain scenes a lot, since is probably SO harmful for the company

if you request pissing, dvp, dap a lot you are gonna get banned/deleted posts now

[anonym4]

and what i meant in the questions, is that you really think gossip about stupid trollish post really have that much effect??? i don't know why that russian forum scares you so much, i don't think models are so easily mislead, scared and based their decisions upon bullshit posts

also the public crucifixion, posting social media photos of girls in the forum, i mean it shows their face but with clothes, is there really much difference?? they are recognized easily, it'd only have an impact if the users in this post would go to their facebook and tell their friends and family about it, which in many cases they already know, so

i dont think that russian forum full of bullshit can do much harm to legalporno really, even if they try

hiring models that had done things more extreme that 2girls1cup would have more effect and should make you more worried about reputation of legalporno

btw im leaving the forum

so bye

[anonym4]

- And /or make the forum inaccessible for people who haven't purchased a scene in the last 3 months.

hahahah, have fun killing most activity in the forum

the forum is gonna look like this

[pastaga]

Well, considering that most of the interesting stuff comes form the LP staff or models, it's not a big problem

[dap-addict]

giorgio even said promoting dap is bad hahahaha

to write that Im obsessed with DAP as a personal form of perversion again create speculation that do not help
I do not even understand why to give space to someone requesting so obsessively

HAHAHAHA

Not sure it makes sense to intervene here, but here you go anyway:
Giorgio was answering to 1 certain poster always asking for DVP in almost all his posts. That posters name is allerius and its his good right to lobby for his fetish, but it went a bit over the top lately and Giorgio Grandi was commenting on that and only that - because allerius called himself (= Giorgio) off by stating he (= Giorgio) was obsessed by DAP. Giorgio just says he wasnt and explains why he is still shooting it so much and why shooting 0% pussy DAP scene will outsell anytime DVP scenes. Not sure wheter you are just completely new here, but its outlined at many places what GIO (= Giorgios studio) shoots, what they expect from the girls and why all that etc. You'll find it easily if you really care.


Finally about those Russian forums citing LP forum bs: A lot of Russian girls dont speak enough english and thus they relay on Russian forums. And as Giorgio wrote here a lot of porn girls get easily upset, also other girls and just girls considering to work for LP. Thus this is actually a lot of harm done - and its not about sb being dumb. Or shall we call all those dumb who dont speak Russian but only English?


Btw, just interested which porn related forums are most influence in Russia, Giorgio?

[SimplyStunning]

My two cents is why not shut the forum down completely, if it is causing these problems. There are other avenues that fans can make comments on social media. LP just needs to do these things:

1. Close the forum, forget about moderator choice. The few forums that I started interacting with after LP, moderators were all accused of self serving agendas when some post were allowed and not others.
2. Create a coming soon section letting us know what scenes will be released in the next 7 days. This will reduce the fans quest of searching social media content to find out anything about what is happening at LP.
3. Re-enable the feature where only scene buyers could make comments on the scene that was purchased. The comments appeared on the scene page and was only relevant to that scene. Also bonus is the reduction of comments based on looking at trailers and picture with no scene purchase.

I do have personal comments to three things you said that doesn't seem genuine:

All the continue request for pissing or dvp (that are actually more intense on the forum than the request for dap) became on Russian forum a form of terrorism against LP.

The reason that request for the pissing or dvp is more intense than dap is because there so little of that content compared to dap. In the last complete month which is June the statistics for each fetish is below:
fetish__= scene count(%)
pissing_= 13 (10%)
dvp____= 01 (0.7%)
dap____= 46 (35%)
so 25-30% more dap content is being produced. I personally prefer a little of everything DP, DAP and DVP but hate pissing, spitting and prolapse.

Said that: to write that Im obsessed with DAP as a personal form of perversion again create speculation that do not help (without to consider Im absolutely not personally interest in DAP, I would not jerk of on DAP movies at all, but not even close).

The reason that it is stated is because 90% of the content released by your studio is DAP content. I am not equating DAP to homosexual sex but if you could make more money shooting homosexual content than heterosexual content you are implying that you would only shoot that type of content because it makes you more money.

On the top of this, after 15 years in this industry, imho DVP is a so small niche that it doesnt make sense to shoot. A "no pussy" scene will outsell DVP every time (with the same model), I do not even understand why to give space to someone requesting so obsessively, it just create drama and do not generate any interest.

That could be said for DAP, 2 or 3 years ago too but when LP produces more DAP and No Pussy content than any studio on earth then all fans of that fetish will join LP to get that content making the niche look bigger than it is on LP. If LP would makes the same effort with DVP and reduce the DAP content then the fan base would also change increasing DVP fans to LP and while loosing DAP fans because they would their niche is no longer being over produced on LP. Also Giorgio since you have been at LP almost 70% of your content is DAP and No Pussy and if you filter to the last 2 years it is more like 94%. So how do you know it is a small market when it is not being produced in LP or anywhere else just like DAP wasn't ?

In few words: most of problem between producers and models came from gossip and this forum is the main source, nowadays even more than the one of woodman.

So based on what you wrote it makes no sense to keep the forum open. That should be the nail in the coffin for this forum when it does more harm than good based on your experience.

[Giorgio Grandi]

I write this last post about it than really, Im done about this topic.

- I shoot a lot of DAP because it sell.
- I shoot "DP focused" just in few cases because otherwise it wont sell
- I did not shoot DVP on a DP for any special reason (model did not want, we forgot about it, etc)
- I do not shoot DVP on a DAP scene as it wont declass a "no pussy" scene to something different

If you do not see content on a niche is because the niche is too small to be consider profitable.

Just deal with the fact the internet lack of content with DVP (just for example) because there are other content that are much profitable.

There is the wrong belief that a user knows better than a producer when he really does not, this is why NO ONE worldwide except 2-3 directors interact with users anymore.

[Moxoxo]

The Avluv tweets are not helping, it shows that injuries are a serious problems

[ZiziMinuscule]

Forum only for paying users.

Definition of "paying": buying at least 1 scene per week.

Forum get's empty?

No problem. The elite of us will remain here.

[anonym4]

i really think users dont have that big effect legalporno think they have

stop panicking, all that russian forum speaking shit and the bad posts in this forum are HARMLESS

IDIOTS

Any stupid topic/question as for example the one regarding the injection of juice in the bladder gets posted there, pop up on these russian forums

dude calm down, that shit is harmless, you are not gonna sell less because of the injection juice guy posted in russian forum

why so fucking terrified, is fucking stupid

ugh

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjyezodCPJo

[ZiziMinuscule]

We all know You are just another clone of this loser Vandenberg, silly idiot.

[anonym4]

poor injection guy who thinks they inject liquids into bladders

now you cant even be fucking stupid in this forum, now you gonna get banned and deleted for being stupid too!!!

does nobody thinks on the poor guy who made the injection thread??

#saveinjectionguy

[dap-addict]

All the continue request for pissing or dvp (that are actually more intense on the forum than the request for dap) became on Russian forum a form of terrorism against LP.

The reason that request for the pissing or dvp is more intense than dap is because there so little of that content compared to dap. In the last complete month which is June the statistics for each fetish is below:
fetish__= scene count(%)
pissing_= 13 (10%)
dvp____= 01 (0.7%)
dap____= 46 (35%)
so 25-30% more dap content is being produced. I personally prefer a little of everything DP, DAP and DVP but hate pissing, spitting and prolapse.

To be honest its very alarming for the reasons posted above and explained by Giorgio.
Russian girls considering a porn career read Russian language forums first of course, many get way fluentin english only thanks to EU porn sets after a year into the biz or so.
Asking constantly for piss or other very demanding but not well-payed niche fetish stuff may indeed shy them away. Usual anal/dp/DAP LP fare is well established an accepted since SOS and GIO started scouting for LP in Russia. Its demanding of course for many, too, but financially very rewarding. Wet on the other hand is culturally perceived as really very Western and very degrading. This said of course some still to it for those 200e more payed in a scene. But I do dig that threat of it turning into a form of terrorism against LP. And thats the worst to happen at this stage of much more difficult scouting than 2006ff!


Btw, those countings dont include DP (about 70% ?), anal (about 70% ?) and pussy only (about 20% ?). Strange way to count sex acts shot on LP sets and later released, actually.

[anonym4]

Asking constantly for piss or other very demanding but not well-payed niche fetish stuff may indeed shy them away

wtf did i just read?
people are not so weak and get shy away so easily, specially a pornstar
celebrities would have heart attacks from all the gossip and rumours they get hahahXD

...................................................................
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hjyezodCPJo

btw, screenshot :3

[anonym4]

talking about shy pornstars away

Asking constantly for piss or other very demanding but not well-payed niche fetish stuff may indeed shy them away.

TWO DAP SCENES PER DAY! - More true fast balls deep DAP! More 0% pussy! - Dress them to fuck and pop their eyes - Heels on! No condoms!!! - STOP that LP VANILLA!!!

[dpconnoisseur1]

All the continue request for pissing or dvp (that are actually more intense on the forum than the request for dap) became on Russian forum a form of terrorism against LP.

The reason that request for the pissing or dvp is more intense than dap is because there so little of that content compared to dap. In the last complete month which is June the statistics for each fetish is below:
fetish__= scene count(%)
pissing_= 13 (10%)
dvp____= 01 (0.7%)
dap____= 46 (35%)
so 25-30% more dap content is being produced. I personally prefer a little of everything DP, DAP and DVP but hate pissing, spitting and prolapse.

...

Btw, those countings dont include DP (about 70% ?), anal (about 70% ?) and pussy only (about 20% ?). Strange way to count sex acts shot on LP sets and later released, actually.

Nice try DAP-Addict but if you really read what SimplyStunning is responding to is about Giorgio complaint that DVP and Pissing request are hurting LP recruitment efforts unlike DAP request. So SimplyStunning is trying to explain why the request for these types of scenes are so much higher by showing current totals of the scenes being produced of the types Giorgio mentions. Nothing strange about that to me. Giorgio didn't mention DP or Anal or Pussy so why should he illustrate those counts, as it has nothing to do with the point Giorgio is trying to make ? If you are going to comment about a specific discussion at least make the comment about what is being specifically discussed. Following your logic, your reply is a strange way to count sex acts on LP because you don't show the percentages for TP/TAP/ATP/Prolapse/Fisting/Squirting/Interracial/1on1/Gangbangs/Manhandling/etc/etc/etc.

One thing I agree with the overall "SimplyStunning VS Giorgio" discussion is that the forum should be shutdown if it is hurting LP recruitment efforts. It is the only thing that makes sense. Giorgio has said many times that the forum doesn't represent the vast majority of LP customers, the forum contributors are such a small percentage encompassing the most fanatic LP members(and nonpaying opinionated parasites) so shut it down is my vote. Why hurt most of the customers for the voices of the view fanatics (mine included) I consume a lot of porn 99.99999% of it on LP and don't enjoy the constant price increases for stupid reasons. If a scene cost more because we are getting a previously unattainable gorgeous model is one thing but because LP forum is doing more damage than a known gossiping old French asshole hung like baby mouse makes no sense Shut the forum down LP

[Giorgio Grandi]

I think you did not really understand properly; some user really push for what they like way too much, degrading a content that do not include their favorite fetish (and so degrading also the performers in the content) and this is negative.
Models are free to chose what they want to be performing without to be hassled in daily base about something they are not ok to do.
Same point also about content that I don’t intend to shoot (and it’s to me why I don’t want) insinuating I’m obsessed with something else as reason why I don’t.

That’s it. No drama, just is hard to have you to understand apparently.