Accessing the site from UK after April porn ban

[jonny00799]

How will UK users be able to access the site after UK compulsary age verification for all porn sites comes into effect next month? Will there be a new 'landing' page where age verified members be able to log directly into their accounts?

[Alan2008]

Isn't the porn ban affecting just the free sites ? Well that is what I was hoping.

[Sweep11]

Its a good question. And nothing I read online answers this clearly.
Aside from options to access the sites (portes app cards bought in a shop to verify age on a single device or AGEID login) it sounds like there is still a risk that complete sites may be blocked by ISPs if they do not conform the certain rules, i.e. Having a landing page without any adult material visible?
I know I can probably get around all of this by using a VPN but interested to know if LP are planning any changes to try to comply with the laws.

[YumYum74]

Maybe ask the question in the support part of the forum. My guess there's a higher chance someone who knows will see it there.

[DukeBishop]

It's beyond a joke, every year they draw up some stupid crackdown law on this country thats becoming a nanny state by the day so we can protect our children.. yet the government soon want to teach sex eduction to under 5 year olds about transgenders and same sex relationships etc. Why the fuck should I want to put in my driving licence or passport details to access a pornsite? And what person is going to want to buy a voucher providing proof of age from a cornershop so they can get a code to watch porn when they get home. embarrassing isn't it? I'm going to have to get my head around this VPN soon.

[DukeBishop]

Oh I know a lot of streamsites have offered (been forced) to sign up to this, but I hope LP finds a way of deflecting this nonsense.

[Sweep11]

Damn right duke.
This country is going fucking crazy right now. Its such a pointless exercise they're embarking on.
I'm in the same boat - I understand the principles of VPN but never used one and not sure yet what the options are for ipad and streaming to my tv which is my preferred method of viewing.
Oh well, time to get reading up...

[Sir Noel]

I use NordVPN. $90 for three years was the deal I got. They provide a program for your PC and all for your smartphone etc. You just load up the app/program and pick the country you want to go via, using a little map and click "connect". It is very very simple.

[Sweep11]

Thanks Sir Noel, you're a gentleman indeed.

[davebowman]

Despite the previous delay, it looks like this UK internet censorship crapfest is going to hit in July. I guess everyone's going to have to use VPN's from now on - hopefully the UK won't find a way to bypass those, but I wouldn't put it past the prudes to try: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-47960775

[Celticwarrior]

Beyond stupid and a pure violation of free speech,but folks in the UK will find an alternative way to access their favorite porn sluts

[jackthetreacleeater]

It's beyond a joke, every year they draw up some stupid crackdown law on this country thats becoming a nanny state by the day so we can protect our children.. yet the government soon want to teach sex eduction to under 5 year olds about transgenders and same sex relationships etc. Why the fuck should I want to put in my driving licence or passport details to access a pornsite? And what person is going to want to buy a voucher providing proof of age from a cornershop so they can get a code to watch porn when they get home. embarrassing isn't it? I'm going to have to get my head around this VPN soon.

I couldn't agree more Duke. This country is going to the dogs really and the laws are becoming more and more Draconian. Sure they all seem well-meaning and innocent enough to start with, but they are all part of a gradual process of removing peoples' freedoms and the institution of a Draconian form of fascist/socialist government. FYI - I see no distinction between socialism/fascism/Nazism/communism. They are all systems of government that have the express intent of imposing draconian doctrine and restricting peoples' freedoms and all end up in the same place - bloodshed and totalitarianism.

This "porn ban" is the same nonsense they have perpetuated as with gun and knife laws, as if somehow they will protect us. What do all of them achieve, nothing, they simply drive the process under-ground where there is no regulation at all. Ban the sale of knives online by legitimate customers, do they really believe little negro scrots on shit-hole estates are buying their knives legitimately online?

Same with the American obsession of banning abortion at the moment. Women have and always will find a way to abort a baby no matter what society they live in. Banning abortion in a legal sense does not rid a society of abortion, it simply drives it into the unsafe underground and the number of abortions remains the same.

It's all part of the process of the removal of personal responsibility as well. Modern parents take absolutely no responsibility for the upbringing and moral guidance of their own children, they believe the state should provide all of that for them.

I dallied with stupid ideas of Liberalism and Socialism when I was young, like most young people. But as you get older you realise the insidious nature of both and how dangerous their zealous adherents all. I consider myself conservative now, in the sense that a genuine conservative approach means finding a middle ground that satisfies the majority above all else, while preventing the persecution of minorities; but giving them no other special rights other than those that the law already covers. Laws should be designed for the entire population, not singling our minorities for special treatment.

The over promotion of minority rights is a dangerous process that is severely affecting Britain right now. We have a bizarre situation right now where the whole political agenda is being driven by two minority groups: gender-benders and Jihadis. Both groups completely at odds with one another, but yet working towards the same agenda.

[TheVulture]

Jack I share your negative view of this development but I have to say your political analysis is a little erratic to say the least!

I don't get why you seem to be equating this legislation with socialism/liberalism. I'm sure you've noticed that our government is not a socialist government! This legislation is exactly the kind of headline-grabbing measure the Tories will take to mask the fact that they have zero domestic policies and no answers to the problems facing our country, which are essentially the result of 40 years of neo-liberalism and the wholesale selling off of our public assets by successive Tory and New Labour administrations. So yes, you see that I am a socialist.

It should be noted that the objections to this legislation - of which there have been many - have exclusively come from those on the left or of liberal orientation. It's hard to imagine that a left-leaning government would undertake such a measure. For sure, a "nanny state" (not generally a term I like as I support state ownership of key industry and a strong welfare system but let's run with it here) might want to legislate to safeguard minors from exposure to porn but my guess is that they would look at sensible regulation of the industry with a wide consultation of those involved rather than taking such a short-sighted knee-jerk approach simply to attract a few favourable headlines in Middle England. The left has a long tradition of promoting culture and protecting individual rights and freedoms - I would be surprised if it would take such a strong-handed and short-sighted approach to the porn industry and its legal consumers.

It's a ridiculous development - let's hope that it goes down with this wretched Tory administration, whose days certainly appear to be numbered.

[Iddaoeeok]

Good post, The Vulture. Having said that, I am in favour of instantly banning anyone who posts anything political to this forum because there are literally thousands, tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands, of places on the internet to post ill-informed garbage about any political subject, from any political standpoint anyone might happen to hold - so there is really no need to pollute this forum with it. Having said that this is (kind of) a political subject, so I'm going to break my own rules.

First of all, Mr Treacle Eater, you sound confused to me. If you are going to vent about politics it's maybe a good idea to have a firm grasp of definitions first. It sounds to me like you have got your definitons of 'liberal' and 'conservative' from the internet, it might have been better if you had just looked in a dictionary first. You call yourself a conservative but if you can find a single conservative political party or conservative government anywhere in the world who is in favour of relaxing the laws on pornography then you're a better man than I. As, Mr Vulture points out, the driving force for any 'porn ban' in the UK is coming from Conservative (big C) politicians and conservative (small c) media such as the Daily Mail et al. I've seen no evidence of Left or Liberal - which are different things in the UK - pressure on the current Conservative goverment to ban or regulate porn. Since you are based in the UK, I assume, then you must be aware that every single instance of liberalization of laws around censorship and sexuality has come from left/liberal polticians and pressure groups and been opposed by conservative polticians and pressure groups.

You oppose Trump's views on abortion when the act of being anti-abortion, as much as the right to bear arms, is the defining characteristic of modern US conservativism - hence, the bewilderment of US conservatives at Andrew Neil being both a conservative AND pro-abortion after his recent contretemps with Ben Shapiro. I would say what you are is more of a libertarian than a conservative, and libertarians can be both right and left. Your idea that conservatives are actually in the middle of political discourse suggest you might even be a classic liberal! Personally, I think politics is like sexuality, I don't believe anyone is 100% one thing of the other, most people are on a spectrum, or else I think that's the healthy way to be.

I can only think of one current world leader who has actually tried to ban porn - Vladimir Putin, authoritarian nationalist, hero of edgelord alt-right losers and not in any way shape or form a liberal

[bdsmpretty]

It's beyond a joke, every year they draw up some stupid crackdown law on this country thats becoming a nanny state by the day so we can protect our children.. yet the government soon want to teach sex eduction to under 5 year olds about transgenders and same sex relationships etc. Why the fuck should I want to put in my driving licence or passport details to access a pornsite? And what person is going to want to buy a voucher providing proof of age from a cornershop so they can get a code to watch porn when they get home. embarrassing isn't it? I'm going to have to get my head around this VPN soon.

you have no idea what you are talking about. at all.

"every year they draw up some stupid crackdown law on this country thats becoming a nanny state by the day so we can protect our children.. yet the government soon want to teach sex eduction to under 5 year olds about transgenders and same sex relationships etc"

a) what's the problem with laws to protect children, unless you hate children and don't want them to be safe?

b) the government doesn't want to teach 'sex education' to 5 year olds. it's about 'inclusivity' & 'tolerance' not 'sex'.

the inclusivity programme you reference ('no outsiders') is about teaching acceptance of diversity.

this preparares children for the possibility that they or their friends may grow up and discover they are gay/lesbian.
it also prepares them to be accepting of themselves or their friends, if they come from a family with lesbian or gay parents. it's saying to that child and others in their peer group, this can still be a loving & supportive home environment. it's ok.

gay/lesbian realtionships have been legal in the uk for nearly 50 years, so this teaching at school level of acceptance of these relationships is actually decades overdue.

why is this a positive thing?

it prevents or reduces feelings of shame & guilt & freakishness in those children who become gay/lesbian later in their lives, or who have gay/lesbian family backgrounds.
it prevents other children bullying them on the basis that either being gay/lesbian, or having gay/lesbian parents, is a shameful & unacceptable thing.

it will reduce depression, self-harm (& suicide) & prevent bullying. this is a good thing, unless you want children to suffer those things.

essentially this is just an extension of the teaching of acceptance of other races & faiths which already happens.

[bdsmpretty]

We have a bizarre situation right now where the whole political agenda is being driven by two minority groups: gender-benders and Jihadis. Both groups completely at odds with one another, but yet working towards the same agenda.

...but only in your poor muddled tinfoil-hat head.

Get a VPN so you can carry on watching porn. Since you are rubbish at making sense of reality, at least be good at watching porn.

[Iddaoeeok]

essentially this is just an extension of the teaching of acceptance of other races & faiths which already happens.

... which I imagine some people are also against.

[davebowman]

UK porn ban was due for 15th July, but looks like it's been delayed again: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-48700906

[Giorgio Grandi]

"Likewise, any platform that hosts pornography but does not do so on a commercial basis - meaning it does not charge a fee or make money from adverts or other activity - will not be affected."
So all zoo website do not need to comply as for adult forums, swinger websites, escort websites.

"Furthermore, it will remain legal to use virtual private networks (VPNs), which can make it seem like a UK-based computer is located elsewhere, to evade the age checks."
Yes of course, all kids know what is a VPN, am I right?

[spam], Reddit and image-sharing community Imgur, for example, will not be required to administer the scheme because they fall under an exception where more than a third of a site or app's content must be pornographic to qualify.
I have a "personal account" on [spam] and even without to follow anyone from porn or porn related I get into 18+ content every day. Social is the first way a kid can hit porn, as a kid makes a social account as soon as they own an email, must before to use a search engine.

To make a low about porn they should rely on people from porn as they know how the market is. All of this is totally dumb, these people do not know what they are doing.

[davebowman]

All of this is totally dumb, these people do not know what they are doing.

Unfortunately I think they do know what they are doing, even if they are making a bit of a mess of it. For a long time pornography was illegal in the UK (certainly for a lot of my lifetime), and I'm pretty sure the people behind this law would ultimately like to somehow return to that state. Once they can establish the principle of censorship and limiting access to certain websites on the internet, they will start trying to dictate which sexual acts can and cannot be shown in the UK, and we'll end up like China.

I really think all this stuff about 'protecting children' is just a bullshit smokescreen.

[Giorgio Grandi]

This is 100% sure.

I really think all this stuff about 'protecting children' is just a bullshit smokescreen.

[Iddaoeeok]

I'm doubtful this ban will ever happen, to be honest. UK politicians have more important things to worry about!

[TheVulture]

Today's announcement of a 6 month delay is good news and to be honest not that surprising given how events have panned out thus far.

The Labour (main opposition party for those who don't know UK politics) position is interesting - they've been generally critical of the idea but I don't think have categorically said they would overturn it if they came to power (although in many ways they haven't had to and probably don't see it as a major campaigning issue).

With the ruling Tories currently electing a new leader and the 2 contenders essentially set to split the fault lines in the party still further there is the real prospect of a General Election in the coming months and thus a Labour victory. It would then be fascinating to see how a Jeremy Corbyn-led Labour administration would view this matter. Corbyn is a genuine socialist and fearless supporter of working people and public ownership as well as a vehement opponent of big business and wealthy tax-avoiders etc. so his administration would be likely to be the most progressive in Europe (if not the world). Given that his raison d'etre is addressing wealth inequality and funding public services coupled with a strong social liberalism I doubt he would view the likes of LP as enemies of our children's innocence and reversing the plan would play well with his young liberal support base (whose support for him is perhaps dwindling due to his commendably balanced position on Brexit - they generally want it stopped, he rightly sees great danger to his working class voter base in taking that view).

I think we can expect to hear more from Labour in opposition to the proposed legislation in due course, although with Brexit and the generally tumultuous political situation here just now it won't be riding high on their agenda (but nonetheless could feature in any imminent General Election manifesto).

The legislation is basically a right wing sop to curry favour amongst the reactionary element of the Tory voter base by a party who have completely run out of ideas and whose last desperate move is to navel gaze about which potential leader's Brexit plan is the most "bold" (ie terrifying). [Which doesn't mean that I oppose Brexit btw but that is another matter....I support Corbyn's scepticism about the EU's more neo-liberal pro-business, anti-worker, anti-public ownership elements hence voted Leave along socialist lines]

[fapbastard528]

I use NordVPN. $90 for three years was the deal I got. They provide a program for your PC and all for your smartphone etc. You just load up the app/program and pick the country you want to go via, using a little map and click "connect". It is very very simple.

I use the Nord Firefox extension. Only effects the browser. Useful for scenes unavailable in the US.

[Iddaoeeok]

It seems the main reason the UK porn ban has been delayed for 6 months is because the UK government hadn't informed the EU about it. So, all of those people who voted Brexit must be delighted that, after the UK leaves the EU, the porn ban can go ahead as planned - well done, guys!

[xxx]

I'm doubtful this ban will ever happen, to be honest. UK politicians have more important things to worry about!

Apparently not.

[Iddaoeeok]

I don't want to say I told you so... but I told you so:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-50073102

[Sweep11]

A very welcome u turn!
Fuckin ridiculous idea in the first place

[Iddaoeeok]

LOL, yes, completely stupid

[JBird]

Here we go again. This is by a guy on engadget.com who knows the subject: "The UK is, once again, attempting to introduce mandatory age verification in order to access adult content online. The beleaguered nation, currently reeling from a series of self-inflicted crises, has announced its plans to revive the scheme that has been deemed unworkable since 2015. Chris Philp MP, under-secretary of state for Tech and the Digital Economy, has announced that the mostly-unchanged plan will be introduced as part of the forthcoming Online Safety Bill.

"Mandatory age verification has been in the works ever since the Conservative party included it in its 2015 manifesto. Since then, it has attempted to get the scheme running, passing the enabling laws in 2017 and setting a series of deadlines to implement the system. In April 2019, regulators said that the scheme would finally begin operating that July but the then culture secretary pulled the plug in mid-June...the Bill remains full of the same problems that rendered the system unworkable when it was previously introduced."

As far as I can tell, if this section of the Bill does indeed reach the statute book, sites at home and abroad will have the option of using secure age verification technology to confirm a user possesses a credit card and is therefore at least 18, or using a third-party service to confirm someone’s age against government data, such as passports or driver's licences. The latter is egregious. I hope the former means anyone who has a current membership or current tickets at AV purchased with a card, which I guess is 100% of those in that group, would be ''verified" automatically on logging in. New subscribers using a card ought to be covered by this too, or am I missing something in all the nonsense? No doubt Giorgio and the team have their eyes on the ball.

[TheVulture]

I saw something that seemed to suggest the age verification would only apply to Twitter and (I think) Instagram but I could be wrong.

As you say, if it's a simple case of age-verification then you would think that paying customers of AV/LP would be fine.

Depressingly you are right that it's likely just another half-baked populist play by our hideous Trumpian Tory rulers to help divert attention away from their myriad of calamitous errors and underhand misdeeds.

[TheVulture]

Ha ha ha just re-read my post of mid-2019, which seems a lifetime ago in political terms.

With the ruling Tories currently electing a new leader and the 2 contenders essentially set to split the fault lines in the party still further there is the real prospect of a General Election in the coming months and thus a Labour victory.

Oh dear!

This bit was quite prescient though:

I doubt [Corbyn] would view the likes of LP as enemies of our children's innocence and reversing the plan would play well with his young liberal support base (whose support for him is perhaps dwindling due to his commendably balanced position on Brexit - they generally want it stopped, he rightly sees great danger to his working class voter base in taking that view).

Sadly Corbyn was very weak in not standing up to his internal enemies within Labour and allowing the noisy "Remain Ultras" to poison his Brexit position and give the Tories an open goal with their tacky "Get Brexit Done" mantra (interesting that I commended Corbyn on that "balance" but I think my optimism masked my true feelings there and the larger truth was in the final part of my analysis).

But that's all a different story.

UK politics is horrible right now is the upshot of it. Right wing maniacs in charge and just a slightly different flavour of right wing by way of opposition.

[Alan2008]

It could be that porn is the answer to porn addiction (if it is done the right way).

[bdsmpretty]

It's the same old same old. And it won't work for the same old reasons.
The main one being that any backdoors to encryption authoritarian privacy-invading governments demand of software/hardware manufacturers, instantly and simultaneously become backdoors to hackers. Either something is encrytpted, and so secure, or it isn't... and so it isn't. Just as you can't be a bit pregnant, you can't be a bit secure encrypted.

It would also instantly make a mockery of any claims that government is making re taking the potential for cyberhacking threats by external governments seriously, because any backdoor they insist on will inevitably find its way into an opposing governments hands. To do so would literally be building (inevitable) future failure into their own systems, and the systems on which their population depends, at both the national level (tax, transport, healthcare etc), and the private level (personal banking etc).

Talk of a 'Porn Ban' is a just BS concept, built on a a fake premise, being proposed purely to justify more state mass surveillance and personal data theft - aka 'bulk collection' - by paranoid governments afraid of their own people because they know that public are angry that their governemnt is failing them and lying to them. See news only this week in US of CIA internal spying on citizens (so blatantly scandalous that even the right-wing NYT and 'The Bezos Post' reported it).

As for the 'Porn Ban' unless it breaks TOR and VPNs (decent VPNs, many are compromised junk), it wll achieve nothing but a few lame headlines to soothe reactionary prejudices among a party's reactionary base. And it won't break TOR because that has uses for the west too long and off-topic to go into here, but it ultimately serves their interests to keep it alive.
Also, as with all previous attempts by govts to do this, workarounds will be everywhere (the cutting edge of the coding/hacking workforce rests among those 20s/30s, which - by wonderful convenience - is exactly the same demographic that most wants to see porn), and/or only push more people into to finally take data privacy issues seriously and start using TOR/VPNs.

As far as [spam] goes specifically, try Nitter https://nitter.net/ for accessing [spam] without leaving any data trace.
It's an open source secure front-end that just drags [spam] posts over from the main site and lets you view them without needing to accept [spam] cookies (and so be tracked). You can use it through TOR/VPN too, if that's you flavour.

Easy-peasy, open saucy, love you longtime!

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