dap-addict wrote: Well, for sure times changed since Viper was young!
I'd question the committed relationship thing, but girl has to like and and wanna please you, genuinely, yes. Manipulation is a too negative word, clue is just to convince her to go an extra-mile especially for you!

I'm 44, so very middle aged!
I've had a fair few one night stands and relationships in my time. Hard sex (particularly throat fucking, anal, A2M, piss drinking, BDSM etc) requires a level of trust. If we take one girl who's fairly into rough sex and look at her behaviours across multiple scenarios, you're going to do more with her as a fuck buddy than you could as a one stand and you're going to do more with her in a committed relationship than you could do with her as a mere fuck buddy.
Manipulation is a negative word, but convincing her to go the extra-mile is just the nice way of saying it.
