Studio critic - poor use of very good models

[Boshanks]

You can't claim to be concerned about people's injuries, and then claim that the only time it matters is if they were using drugs

Can you quote me on where I claimed it only matters on drugs ? I'm pointing out the increased risk involved if you can't tell an injury is occurring.

You also can't claim that even without drug use, people don't know their own limitations. And then turn around and say that the reasoning for not using drugs, is so they know their limitations

Of course I can. Without the use of anesthetic people are still capable of not knowing when to stop, they carry on despite being in pain, ignoring the body and potentially landing themselves in hospital, removing it is not going to help that type of person, but then you have those who would stop immediately to prevent injury. With the use of anesthetic you're taking away the ability to receive those warnings, effectively removing the question to stop or carry on because you're not aware of the pain you're in.

Nobody asked for your help

Do you know why?

Because they don't need it!

Like I said, sometimes in order for something to be looked at and a change to occur, it requires people to speak up and present their views and concerns regarding it. There are already a few here who agree they don't want anesthetic used on a porn site, including, if what he said was the truth, the boss himself.

[gapefan]

Can you quote me on where I claimed it only matters on drugs ?

• So you also do not support (list of activites where people get injured frequently)?

  Not if drug use is involved to achieve what they otherwise cannot.

  
  

• OMG! You're right! I do see the hypothetical correlation
  So then, how come you aren't lobbying to enact a law in which every single ski resort has to turn its customers away, to protect them from themselves?
  You obviously don't give a shit about the welfare of others

  Gapefan, you seem to be incredibly confused with the difference between an activity, and the misuse of a substance while performing an activity, which is the crux of my point.

  
  

• And while you're at it, let's outlaw: (list of activites where people get injured frequently)

  I will state this again so there is no confusion: Your points have nothing to do with my issue, I'm not trying to get porn outlawed, I'm drawing attention to something completely unrelated and dangerous being done while performing it.

That's three different times I brought up activities that others willingly participate in, which have an extensive history of people getting injured

Yet you continually stated that I was "missing the point" and that your issue (the "crux" as you put it) was with the misuse of a substance, while performing the activity

You also can't claim that even without drug use, people don't know their own limitations. And then turn around and say that the reasoning for not using drugs, is so they know their limitations

Of course I can. Without the use of anesthetic people are still capable of not knowing when to stop, they carry on despite being in pain, ignoring the body and potentially landing themselves in hospital, removing it is not going to help that type of person, but then you have those who would stop immediately to prevent injury. With the use of anesthetic you're taking away the ability to receive those warnings, effectively removing the question to stop or carry on because you're not aware of the pain you're in.

If these individuals who aren't using anesthetic "carry on despite being in pain"? Then it's not an issue of them being "incapable of knowing when to stop"

Their brain is sending the same pain signals you claim they must feel, in order to "know their limitations"

And yet they're consciously making the decision to continue, of their own free will


Why are you not concerned about helping "that type of person"?

Shouldn't your crusade protect them as well?

Why are you only concerned about helping the ones who, by choice, can't feel the exact same thing that these "other type of people" (who aren't worth helping) are experiencing?

Nobody asked for your help

Do you know why?

Because they don't need it!

Like I said, sometimes in order for something to be looked at and a change to occur, it requires people to speak up and present their views and concerns regarding it.

It certainly does require people to speak up and present their views and concerns in order to be under consideration

And I have yet to hear a single concern from any first party individuals, directly impacted by what you are carrying on about

And why would you hear from them?

They have nothing to be concerned about!

If they don't agree with its use, then they are free not to use it

There are already a few here who agree they don't want anesthetic used on a porn site

The only people I see here expressing concern for it, are those who have some other selfish ulterior motive, like they "don't like all the double anal" and/or "the model may not react as realisically as they'd like"

It's a pitty mate, because the lack of reaction is sooo visible now that it totally takes away the charm of it! I mean why watch an intense scene if it isn't intense at all? Are people sooo desperate of watching five dicks up a girl's ass that they forget about the true intensity of the scene???

Regarding ass numbing and anestetics used in porn, I am strongly against them. Girls in GG scenes can take 3 dicks in the ass with no reaction. They suck dicks while fist and dicks are in they ass like there is nothing going on.
We need more reactions while fucked like brittany etc. It looks lime girls are forced to take fists in their asses while numbed and they are waiting guys to cum so they can grab their money and go home.
Not hot at all!!!

Not a single sentiment of concern for the well being of these performers in any of that

Only selfish comments about what they would like to see in their porn

including, if what he said was the truth, the boss himself.

Well now, is xxx concerned, or is he not?

I understand that you want to twist this in order to protect your own interests, but the words of this site's owner can not be misinterpreted no matter how hard you try. I asked the STUDIO to stop USING it ages ago, but I hear some models keep ASKING for it. In one sentence he not only confirms the studio is using it, but they must also be providing it if it's being asked for.

For years that fat asshole PW was spreading rumors about how DAP was being continuously achieved here, that information was being provided to him primarily by Markus Dupree. I assumed it was complete bullshit, but regrettably it's turned out to be true.

And finally, the angle everyone resorts to eventually, free will (or if you're a complete moron, comparing this discussion to totalitarianism ) Of course these women have the choice to do whatever the fuck they want, does that mean the company doesn't have a responsibility to advise them about the serious dangers of doing it, or better yet, to not allow it ? If xxx had said I'm furious about this being photographed in my studio, I don't want this shit being used on the sets of my company, I wouldn't have anything to say on the matter, instead he tried to defend it by claiming it's not pure Lidocaine, which is completely untrue, and even compared it to strepsils

Owner confirms the studio has used it, owner confirms the models still request it. And if his response was genuine about having asked the studio to stop using it ages ago, why was he not pissed off about his employees clearly disobeying a direct request, why did he immediately shift the focus on to the models and play down the significance of the product.

You're stumbling over yourself again

[mdsflyby]

The only people I see here expressing concern for it, are those who have some other selfish ulterior motive, like they "don't like all the double anal" and/or "the model may not react as realisically as they'd like"

touché

That's what I was hinting at from the very beginning! Since Nerdperv, who started this topic, clearly didn't care much about welfare of others, sure he jumped right in, as soon as Boshanks helped him out with that... And what do you expect from a guy, who claims women aren't capable of enjoying and having orgasms from anal sex, let alone smile while having it. Also they need to be sad and exhausted after performing it...

Here's what he also wrote in Giorgio part of the forum:

- what is with all this double anals? Do the models actually enjoy this? Doesn't it seem to damn gay for us Women loving pervs?

[Boshanks]

It's all the same nonsense again. Every response is an attempt to further convolute the topic.

Nothing you've listed demonstrates that I only care about injury as a result of drug use, they demonstrate me repeatedly trying to stay on topic and speak specifically about the increased risk from drug use at LP, while you try your best to shift focus.

I'm trying to talk about an issue in porn, on a porn forum, relevant to this website, and no matter how hard you try to derail the topic with bullshit about ski resorts and Harry Houdini, I will keep returning to my point.

If these individuals who aren't using anesthetic "carry on despite being in pain"? Then it's not an issue of them being "incapable of knowing when to stop"

Their brain is sending the same pain signals you claim they must feel, in order to "know their limitations"

And yet they're consciously making the decision to continue, of their own free will


Why are you not concerned about helping "that type of person"?

Shouldn't your crusade protect them as well?

Why are you only concerned about helping the ones who, by choice, can't feel the exact same thing that these "other type of people" (who aren't worth helping) are experiencing?

You continuously try to create new focus for argument by speaking on my behalf with fictitious points, it's laughable.

The only people I see here expressing concern for it, are those who have some other selfish ulterior motive, like they "don't like all the double anal" and/or "the model may not react as realisically as they'd like"

Not a single sentiment of concern for the well being of these performers in any of that

Only selfish comments about what they would like to see in their porn

You forgot dap-addict, who supports their right as consumers to ask for anesthetic free porn, who agrees that quality is better without its use, and also talks about the negative effect it has on the men.

Is his view motivated by a dislike for double anal as well ?

And yes, Nerdperv, I think it's a consumer right to ask for anesthesic free performances! The more as quality is better of course, cause lidocain has also a bad effect on the studs wood.

You're stumbling over yourself again

Nope, merely stating that I don't know if his initial response was honesty or damage limitation. If it was the former, he doesn't want it either.

[dap-addict]

The only people I see here expressing concern for it, are those who have some other selfish ulterior motive, like they "don't like all the double anal" and/or "the model may not react as realisically as they'd like"

Not a single sentiment of concern for the well being of these performers in any of that

Only selfish comments about what they would like to see in their porn

You forgot dap-addict, who supports their right as consumers to ask for anesthetic free porn, who agrees that quality is better without its use, and also talks about the negative effect it has on the men.

Is his view motivated by a dislike for double anal as well ?

And yes, Nerdperv, I think it's a consumer right to ask for anesthesic free performances! The more as quality is better of course, cause lidocain has also a bad effect on the studs wood.

Boshanks, you quote me out of context for your own crusade!

The lidocain bottle was baught in Hungary where the girl in question worked on porn sets before travelling to Prague to work for LP. That's the core. Almost all porn girls know about lidocain anyway, some use it some dont. LP doesnt want it used as xxx stated clerely, but the studio cannot possibly check what girls apply to themselves in the bathroom or else bts.

Lidocain is used on all porn sets all over Europe from time to time. Also in PWs hotel rooms he uses to shoot - and as with his other attacks it's usually his own practices he detects only at his competitors, LP being the most hated.
Who spreads his lies acts against LP. As simple as that.

Btw, if you are a seasoned porn consumer and/or have been on porn sets you can usually tell wheter a girl is "on lidocain" when performing or not. A lot of them are for 21S for instance. Its obvious! Some are also for PW and also here on LP. But its nothing supported by the studio owner! And yes, Nerdperv, I think it's a consumer right to ask for anesthesic free performances! The more as quality is better of course, cause lidocain has also a bad effect on the studs wood.

[gapefan]

It's all the same nonsense again. Every response is an attempt to further convolute the topic.
Nothing you've listed demonstrates that I only care about injury as a result of drug use, they demonstrate me repeatedly trying to stay on topic (while you try your best to shift focus) and speak specifically about the increased risk from drug use at LP.
I'm trying to talk about an issue in porn, on a porn forum, relevant to this website, and no matter how hard you try to derail the topic with bullshit about ski resorts and Harry Houdini, I will keep returning to my point.

Everything I've listed clearly demonstrates you only "care" about injury as a result of drug use

You asked me to quote you, where you claimed it only matters on drugs, and I did!

You were very adament about the point you were attempting to put across, and even when so far as to accuse me of being "incredibly confused with the difference between an activity, and the misuse of a substance while performing an activity"

Which you stated very clearly, is the "crux of your point"

How much clearer can it get?


You even mentioned it again! Just now!

Nothing you've listed demonstrates that I only care about injury as a result of drug use, they demonstrate me repeatedly trying to stay on topic and speak specifically about the increased risk from drug use at LP.

There, I bolded it so you won't miss it this time


Not to mention, your proposal only "protects" these hypothetical individuals that "don't know what's best for their own good", and are "in need of your assistance"

Don't you care about protecting the rest of them? Why aren't you attempting to protect all people from injury?

You continuously try to create a new focus for argument by attempting to speak on my behalf with fictitious points, it's laughable.

You continuously try to create new focus for argument by attempting to speak on LegalPorno and xxx's behalf with ficticious points, it's laughable

The only people I see here expressing concern for it, are those who have some other selfish ulterior motive, like they "don't like all the double anal" and/or "the model may not react as realisically as they'd like"
Not a single sentiment of concern for the well being of these performers in any of that
Only selfish comments about what they would like to see in their porn

You forgot dap-addict, who supports their right as consumers to ask for anesthetic free porn, who agrees that quality is better without its use, and also talks about the negative effect it has on the men.
Is his view motivated by a dislike for double anal as well ?

And yes, Nerdperv, I think it's a consumer right to ask for anesthesic free performances! The more as quality is better of course, cause lidocain has also a bad effect on the studs wood.

dap-addict's statement clearly falls under the second selfish reason I listed, that "the model may not react as realisically as they'd like"

If you notice, I said "and/or", not just "and"

The concern he voiced, was about the "quality" of his porn

You're stumbling over yourself again

Nope, merely stating that I don't know if his initial response was honesty or damage limitation. If it was the former, he doesn't want it either.

If it was the former, then what are you carrying on about?

[dap-addict]

You are splitting hair here concerning my statment Boshanks quoted out of context, gapefan!
The quality of a porn scene is usually better without numbing by whatever available means. BUT the core is lidocain is a known drug by all girls and xxx doesnt want it used on LP sets, while at the same time directors are not able to check what girls take into them before driving to the set or in the bathroom bts.

And, as you say and I agree with, all actors/actresses involved are consenting adults, so its basically up to them.
I'd wish however - for the quality of the scene as well as minimizing possible health hazards - they'd fellow xxx rules.

Besides, just back check who really cared about the girls wellbeing in the past!
(I've opened a lot of threads on that)

[gapefan]

I personally don't believe xxx does want it on set

I also don't believe it was ever used in the past by the models themselves anywhere near to the extent that Boshanks and his cronies would like the rest of us to believe

In which case, Boshanks' conspiracy theory (along with that of his fat hairy friend from France, with the mouse sized penis ) is nothing more than a load of malarkey


I was simply uncovering his ulterior motives, along with the ridiculousness of his arguments

[magizi877]

There is a Private Message system you guys could use, you know.

[Boshanks]

There is a Private Message system you guys could use, you know.

As long as this is getting bumped, I'm happy to continue the conversation here.

BUT the core is lidocain is a known drug by all girls and xxx doesnt want it used on LP sets, while at the same time directors are not able to check what girls take into them before driving to the set or in the bathroom bts.

Lidocaine has a 15 to 20 minute window before reapplication is necessary, those who are using it are using it on set.

All actors/actresses involved are consenting adults, so its basically up to them. I'd wish however - for the quality of the scene as well as minimizing possible health hazards - they'd fellow xxx rules.

I agree, but I don't believe it is a rule, making it one would help achieve this.

Everything I've listed clearly demonstrates you only "care" about injury as a result of drug use

No it doesn't. You know exactly what my argument is, but you're trying as hard as you can to convolute it by being pedantic.

In a conversation where I'm specifically speaking about the misuse of anesthetic at LP, which is what I'm trying to do, then yes it's all that matters, that's the topic.

Is that the case if we go off topic and start talking about injuries associated with every activity and pastime under the sun, no it is not.

dap-addict's statement clearly falls under the second selfish reason I listed, that "the model may not react as realisically as they'd like"

If you notice, I said "and/or", not just "and"

The concern he voiced, was about the "quality" of his porn

So do you think it's selfish, as a paying customer, to voice concerns about something that has an adverse effect on the product being sold, that prevents a model from reacting natually ?

I also don't believe it was ever used in the past by the models themselves anywhere near to the extent that Boshanks and his cronies would like the rest of us to believe

The only people talking about the extent of its use is me and dap-addict, with him stating it's being used on all porn sets all over Europe from time to time.

You previously made this comment

As dap-addict pointed out, almost all porn girls know about lidocaine.

It's common knowledge.

Are you saying that you believe him on this, but you don't believe him about the prevalence of its use ?

[gapefan]

Look man, if you don't like what LegalPorno is selling? Then don't buy it. Simple as that

You are no one to them. Your opinion means nothing. And you have no say in what they do

Especially after your little fit of false accusations, hypothetical conspiracy theories, and speculation


And by the way, just because people know about something, does not automatically mean they use it themselves

But nice try!

[gapefan]

Who knows though.. maybe dap-addict is right about the prevalence of it's use...

Maybe you should speculate about it

[dap-addict]

I didnt say anything about prevalence!
All I said was that every porn girl knows of lidocain and it is - at times - used in almost every studio, also PW.
xxx to my knowledge is the only studio owner clairly condemning its use at his studios. However, LP cant control what means girls applay to their body at home, in their hotel room, in the bathroom behind-the-scene.

[Nerdperv]

I think you guys take this conversation way too personally and also concerning seriously!
Mate, over here i only care about one thing, having good quality porn to watch! Call me selfish if you want! I am not a hypocrite like some guys here that care about LP, and the models but they want six dicks up their asses at the same time, or that fucking scat fan PW who pretends to be "very good friends" with the models he fucks, pisses on and afterwards makes money off!
In case you forget this is a porn forum where all of us are free to request whatever makes them tick! Now, i enjoy very intense natural sex! Our friend "msflybullshit..." can die screaming from pain or whatever, i still want good quality porn and i am going to keep demanding it!

[Boshanks]

I didnt say anything about prevalence!

prevalence
ˈprɛv(ə)l(ə)ns,ˈprɛvəl(ə)ns,ˈprɛvələns/Submit
noun
the fact or condition of being prevalent; commonness.

Lidocain is used on all porn sets all over Europe from time to time.

You are no one to them. Your opinion means nothing.

What a fantastic consumer market we'd live in if all companies viewed their customers in such a way.

[dap-addict]

Ok, I am not a native speaker.
All I meant to say is that girls know about it, it is used at times in all porn studios over Europe, but only at times, not most times. And LP owner explicitly doenst want it to be used in his studio.

Btw, as a fan you may also read some Russian porn reports from Budapest or interviews with Russian actresses and you find it mentioned again and again. Its easy to find, but I guess you need to speak more languages than just english.

[gapefan]

What a fantastic consumer market we'd live in if all companies viewed their customers in such a way.

I'd wager nearly all companies do view certain customers in such a way

[mdsflyby]

I think you guys take this conversation way too personally and also concerning seriously!
Mate, over here i only care about one thing, having good quality porn to watch! Call me selfish if you want! I am not a hypocrite like some guys here that care about LP, and the models but they want six dicks up their asses at the same time, or that fucking scat fan PW who pretends to be "very good friends" with the models he fucks, pisses on and afterwards makes money off!
In case you forget this is a porn forum where all of us are free to request whatever makes them tick! Now, i enjoy very intense natural sex! Our friend "msflybullshit..." can die screaming from pain or whatever, i still want good quality porn and i am going to keep demanding it!

Don't worry Nerd of Bullshit, I won't die screaming from pain, because of your stupid posts!

Tell your friend Pierre, we all said hi...

[Nerdperv]

I think you guys take this conversation way too personally and also concerning seriously!
Mate, over here i only care about one thing, having good quality porn to watch! Call me selfish if you want! I am not a hypocrite like some guys here that care about LP, and the models but they want six dicks up their asses at the same time, or that fucking scat fan PW who pretends to be "very good friends" with the models he fucks, pisses on and afterwards makes money off!
In case you forget this is a porn forum where all of us are free to request whatever makes them tick! Now, i enjoy very intense natural sex! Our friend "msflybullshit..." can die screaming from pain or whatever, i still want good quality porn and i am going to keep demanding it!

Don't worry Nerd of Bullshit, I won't die screaming from pain, because of your stupid posts!

Tell your friend Pierre, we all said hi...

Mate you are just too damn dumb to be alive! I mean you can't even express a little bit of imagination, you just talk back like a stupid kid! Do you even read those posts or you just come here and write bullshit to annoy people?

[mdsflyby]

Mate you are just too damn dumb to be alive! I mean you can't even express a little bit of imagination, you just talk back like a stupid kid! Do you even read those posts or you just come here and write bullshit to annoy people?

Read what? About sexual preferences of your friends? That doesn't mean anything and surely doesn't qualify as a proof, you're not a woodman troll. Your behavior is very suspicious for a new forum user, because all you do is criticize and complain about everything... And when someone asks you simple question like "if you don't like LP's product, what are you doing here?", you just can't provide a solid answer. So, I also want to ask you this question! What are you doing here mate???

[Nerdperv]

So, Gonzo... please take a look at GG! He started to change things to make his videos better! I wonder why don't the other directors do the same.

Ps. MsflyBS, mate i will not lose any more time arguing with the monkey! It's a free world so you can barf your BS, i will not answer anymore....

[ltdmnf]

Have you ever watched a scene where after the males pulled out you can clearly see blood or bleeding ? You'll probably say no, but that's okay, I can provide you with some examples if you want. One such incident was in the last Rebecca Black scene for Giorgio. After pulling out during a reverse cowgirl DAP, one of the males cocks was covered in blood, Giorgio quickly tries to pan the camera away but she's obviously bleeding from somewhere internally. You'd think this might signal a good time to stop for the day, but nope, it continues on, and he even fisted her anally after this for good measure.

Now maybe they told her she was bleeding and she didn't care, or maybe they didn't, who knows, the point is, some people don't know when to stop until they're told to.

For clarification, do I think anyone at LP wouldn't stop if they were asked to? no I do not.

Please can you provide the samples you talk about?

[Nerdperv]

Aren't you sick of seeing the sqme lame male actors over and over again? Isn't it possible to have just a little diversity? Sometimes it feels like the producers are more careful with their friends than their public!

[ayrtight]

LP has good action , but for styling , colour , variety and outfits sometimes other studios are better .
THis has already been discussed years ago in other topics , but remains relevant .