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Is this finally the turning point?

Postby jjwhite1985 » Mon Feb 24, 2025 1:34 am

We've all known about the problems at LP for a while now, top studios going out of business, lack of bookings, lack of new girls, lack of finance and logistics to get production back up. Apart from a couple EKS scenes, this is the fourth or fifth day on the spin without any new releases from any of the main studios. Are we finally seeing the result of the complete slowdown of production?

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Re: Is this finally the turning point?

Postby jjwhite1985 » Mon Feb 24, 2025 1:44 am

So it's nothing from GIO in 4 days, AGO 7 days, Mambo 7 days, NTP 7 days, Yummy 4 days, EKS released a 1on1 2 days ago but hasn't released a DAP in 4 days. :eek:

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Re: Is this finally the turning point?

Postby Oscar Batty » Mon Feb 24, 2025 4:35 am

There was some technical issues with the site this week and many scenes are still waiting to be reviewed for many days.

The problem is mostly technical on the site and the overload on the review team.
The studios are still shooting. Let's hope the review team will start reviewing our scenes waiting on the queue.

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Re: Is this finally the turning point?

Postby latina-girls-yes » Mon Feb 24, 2025 4:51 am

jjwhite1985 wrote:We've all known about the problems at LP for a while now, top studios going out of business, lack of bookings, lack of new girls, lack of finance and logistics to get production back up. Apart from a couple EKS scenes, this is the fourth or fifth day on the spin without any new releases from any of the main studios. Are we finally seeing the result of the complete slowdown of production?

i think it's the new normal. we are in the middle of (a work in progress) a flipping of the old north-south xxx order, which will lead to latin-america becoming the new centre of production for the majority of the scenes released by this site, and european studios filling in the gaps as and when they can.

the subject of euro porn's decline has been debated to death here, and the reasons are multiple (in summary);

the rise of OF and camming is killing off the supply of new models who want to enter professional studio porn. young models (like many workers of their generation) prefer to work from home than go into the office, in order to preserve a healthier work-life balance, and to save costs (travel, hotels, medical bills rising faster than incomes)

and washington-aligned EU/NATO elites committing economic suicide (not supported by the european public, hence europolitics imploding!) by cutting the europe off from the cheap russian energy (or allowing the US to cut it off = US blowing up the nordstream pipeline), on which the prosperity of the entire eurozone has depended for the last forty years

the consequences of that for the eurostudios has been overheads increasing dramatically since 2022 (energy bills, rents, interests on loans, model hire), while the incomes of europorn consumers (hit by the same energy bills, rents, interests on loans) haven't risen to be able to cover increased scene prices that reflect realistic post-2022 increased studio costs.
mix that with fewer new models coming into the business and its a recipe for irreversible decline

while on the latin american front, though scene releases are sporadic (as Oscar notes, it's the scene review 'bottleneck' at pornbox that dictates scene release dates, not the studios themselves - hence NTP released nothing last week, but it released four scenes in the preceding week) my impression is that all the major latin-american studios are increasing year-on-year, the quality of the content keeps improving, and the studios are all growing in ambition and winning over an ever-increasing audience share from the eurostudios

there's also 'talk' of Yummy potentially opening a second studio in colombia, which would be a clear indication that the latin-american scene is growing in inverse proportion to the europorn scene shrinking (this rumour comes from DAPaddict with no sources given, so press him for more details if you want to establish its credibilty)

*if* that comes to fruition, and *if* Natasha and Yummy can come to an understanding of co-operation and co-existence that benefits them both (colombia is currently Natasha's domain, so Yummy needs to respect Natasha's pre-existing business interests there), then models currently primarily contracted at either studio may soon be able to move between the two studios easily. that could mean colombian production being doubled, and colombian models would have double the opportunities to shoot each week

so it's a work in progress and messy with it, but thinking ahead i feel genuinely excited (not pessimistic at all) about the glorious potential of a latin-american led pornworld to come

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Re: Is this finally the turning point?

Postby dap-addict » Mon Feb 24, 2025 7:43 am

Oscar Batty wrote:There was some technical issues with the site this week and many scenes are still waiting to be reviewed for many days.

Is it a staffing problem?
I mean who interested in serious business would allow for something like that to happen 7 days and counting? :mad: :confused:
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Re: Is this finally the turning point?

Postby hyapet » Mon Feb 24, 2025 7:45 am

Latina-girls-yes brings up some incredibly fantastic points.

White girls these days are even hotter than they were during the hey-day of porn, but ... you'd never know it from looking at the European studios. If you go on OF, but even then, especially the cam sites, and you'll see that there is an incredible selection of white girls to choose from. Like, stupidly gorgeous and hot and cute and mmmmmmmmmffffff ... Oh my God!

America went heavy into OF - which is understandable, seeing as that's their entrepreneurial spirit at play, but in Europe ...

With Russia having closed its borders, and the Eastern countries continuously closing themselves off from more Western influences, the main-land has several factors which go severely against finding any decent girls there willing to do it. Is the overall hotness of the girls way lower on average, just amongst the general population? An overemphatic yes. But, beyond that, the traditional family structure and legitimate opportunities available for women create a pretty big safety net preventing them from entering porn.

Of course, not everyone is going to be a doctor or a lawyer, but those who even show the slightest interest will have the road paved for them due to the high priestess of Feminism controlling the entire Western World. More than this, the culture that Feminism brought with it, encourages women to go out there and, ironically, be as manly as they can be. Earn that money! Get that promotion! Be a big success! Show them you're the man, err ... woman!

What Feminism doesn't encourage is woman accentuating their actual femininity or searching for the male gaze. Might as well admit you fish for used condoms in a radioactive river if you tell any successful, accomplished, or self respecting group of women or girls that you turn on a camera and stick things up your asshole. Or, even worse, have a couple of guys dig in there at the same time. Unless sex is extensively your passion and you don't mind becoming a pariah in your own field by the time you hit 45, then ... yeah, it's to be avoided, typically.

Meaning, Latin America, with it's gorgeous, 80 - 85% white models, who look like they were plopped right out of the most-outrageous-male-fantasy machine, along side ebony goddesses, and just ... Goddamn ... everyone there is so fucking hot!

Like, the girls in South America haven't gone full retard yet. You don't see them tattooing themselves head to toe in what looks like a second grader's attempt at graffiti. You don't see them show up and act like the equivalent of a gigantic dude who just can't wait to jump on as many dicks as possible. And you don't see them injecting themselves, from their face, to their breasts, to their asses with gallons and gallons of plastic. They also act feminine! They act like they have charm, and curiosity, and shyness. They actually act like they have some character. Not like they're about to ride off a cliff in a motorcycle - but in that they're somewhere they really probably shouldn't be, and are a little worried, but ... let's see how this goes.

Yeah - Latin America has got the traditional porn market absolutely locked for the rest of the decade. Their refining their technique - they've got the most well-hung studs - and they have already shot some absolutely incredible scenes.

Not everything is perfect - many of the scenes are too low energy - they let 11/10 talent slip through their fingers (the Hayek sisters seem to be gone forever at this point) - and their communication and consistency of releases gives the impression that they've got it anything but zeroed in.

But these are hiccups they can overcome. These aren't game-enders.

The top tier beauties still belong to the pure whites in America and (sometimes, but hardly ever) Europe. But, unless you want to sit around and wait two hours for the girl to finally take off her top (if she ever does), or pay $45 for a five minute video where the girl dildos herself at an absolutely awkward and awful camera angle, then ...

Yeah - it's South America's game at this point.

Let's just pray they don't drop the ball.

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Re: Is this finally the turning point?

Postby dap-addict » Mon Feb 24, 2025 8:02 am

hyapet wrote:Meaning, Latin America, with it's gorgeous, 80 - 85% white models, who look like they were plopped right out of the most-outrageous-male-fantasy machine, along side ebony goddesses, and just ... Goddamn ... everyone there is so fucking hot!

Not so sure about your white-ebony only percentages, but fact is Europorn hardcore anal production cant pay Prague going rates in most cases anymore if they want their studios to keep afloat with all other factors getting more and more expensive.
Therefore either they import much cheaper girls or they film where it is much cheaper. Clue is fees payed still have to be fair and motivating for the girls starring in Europorn or Europorn influenced productions like NTP, i.e. no condoms, well dressed-up girls, anal sex priority, good lights and clear image etc.
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Re: Is this finally the turning point?

Postby dap-addict » Mon Feb 24, 2025 8:07 am

Btw, situation with Russian girls may change in 2025 due to possible end of that War, its just to early to say. But a new generation of Russian girls would work for far below current Prague going fees as well ofc.
Also Ukrainian imports are feasible, although here cultural situation is more complicated. But anyway, girls everywhere want to fulfill their dreams and most need money to do so. Fast money can be earned easily in porn, but for this basic infrastructure has to be maintained, ie. working studios, working sites, fast working review team, well-staffed IT etc.
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Re: Is this finally the turning point?

Postby hyapet » Mon Feb 24, 2025 9:59 am

dap-addict wrote:Not so sure about your white-ebony only percentages ...


Sorry, what I meant was that, on average, most individual girls who walk through the studio's doors have a 85% white to 15% other (all the others) genetic make-up. So, you'll see a girl who's pretty much almost pure white, but there's some obvious other in that DNA stream as well. Like, the girls that walk into the studio like Vivian Lola are one in fifty. Most others have a noticeable addition to their gene pool, which is by no means a bad thing, but ... as far as the pure white girls go, they're super rare in South America. So ... as good as South American porn can and will be (I mean, I honestly love the actresses down there, my favorites being the Hayek twins, so ... pure white is by no means just always just an automatic victory) ... typically, the ones who will take your breath away ... will be the pure whites.

If you think the war ending will means doors open for Russia, most likely not. The Russian government and the West are now, as they were during the cold war, at loggerheads. Meaning, if a Russian girl thinks she can just skip off to Europe, shoot a bunch of porn, show up everywhere on the tube sites, and then go home and be able to slide right back into her community or into any social circle/cohesion, that might not really be the case.

These girls can work in Europe, but ... they typically have to go home somewhere, right? And as far as I know, they can't just permanently stay in Europe, even though there wouldn't be a lot of pushback if they just stuck around. Still, to be set up as an actual citizen, to get benefits, to be able to collect old age pension, and a whole bunch of other things (like use a hospital and stuff like that), not being from there just presents a lot of unnecessary hurdles compared to actually being a citizen.

Not only this, but the sanctions the West have levied against Russia won't just disappear either. It'll probably take five years or so for the whole situation to unwind, but ... and let's be honest here ... Russia isn't craving to get into the West at this point. It's not like back in the 1990s anymore. China can, and will, provide anything and everything Russia needs, and the only thing Russia will be interested in doing in the West is taking more territory from it. No one inside of Europe was interested, at all, into going into weapons and arms production during the actual Ukrainian war, and America is looking at Europe like they're a bunch of children who don't know how to pull up their own pants. The last thing America wants is to sink another trillion dollars into a war for some previous Soviet satellite whom nobody in the past thirty years made even the slightest effort to Westernize.

Putin's going to be arming himself for the next one. He already increased production of all the arms you could possibly imagine for this War - he's not going to be stopping those factories the minute the battle ends or anything like that. Not only that - but this War effectively trimmed down and spruced up the actual Russian army as well. They're going into battle against the full might of Western weaponry - and they're gaining territory. Make no mistake about it - Putin's going to be putting the moves on somebody within a few years, no questions asked. And the EU can barely keep itself together and functioning, so ...

Don't necessarily expect the Russian girls to come pouring into the West. The underlying tension of the times is something everyone understands. And especially after Putin made an effort to "cleanse" his country from Western influences (like porn) - the idea that the girls who are from there will be lining up at the train station ... like ... time will tell, I guess.

It goes beyond that, though.

EKS has pretty much made what NRX did it's skeleton, but without Nick's ability to attract incredible talent, or to necessarily evolve the style the scenes were shot in as Nick had done as well. It's by no means bad, but ... it doesn't lend to much excitement or energy.

Meanwhile, Andrew is busy releasing one trans scene once a week, and that's typically it. He took Giorgio's basic framework - tried to squeeze as much useless meat off of it as possible - but it's still the same skeleton.

I'm sorry, after having watched like 3,000 of these things, a different ethos to the very momentum of a scene has to change. Girl standing around - girl blowing - girl single anal - girl getting pee'd on - girl double anal - girl more pee - girl another double anal position - girl more pee - girl single anal - girl cumshot - girl more pee - is just so fucking tired at this point.

Even if they were to get some new, amazingly hot blood into the studio, they'd be replicating the same shoot that happened well over a decade ago. I know Andrew can't just start coming up with off-the-wall new shit right from the start, but nevertheless, maybe Giorgio left at the right time. Not that he couldn't come up with a newer scenario or procedure for the shoot itself (as Nick had done with NRX), but he didn't, and the old way of doing things feels exactly that; old at this point.

Europe's got a lot of problems. European studios have a lot of problems. Regardless, when some chick with a dick can enter the studio and look more attractive than 90% of the models who've shot there - then - there are problems all around.

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Re: Is this finally the turning point?

Postby jjwhite1985 » Mon Feb 24, 2025 2:49 pm

Not sure I'm seeing the same "improvements" in the Latin American side that some others are - the opposite in fact. A few years back we had LTP and NTP putting out scenes regularly, since then LTP no longer exists and NTP is sporadic at best. Maybe this is the most promising market in terms of girls' fees and the feasibility of running a studio but it hasn't come to fruition as of yet.

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Re: Is this finally the turning point?

Postby feltrough » Mon Feb 24, 2025 4:25 pm

This site is really going into shitter faster and faster! i mean if you have product and you dont sell it what buisness plan is that? is review team is understaffed? hire more staff. and tehnical issues are not excuse no site can afford to be offline in this day and age.
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Re: Is this finally the turning point?

Postby dap-addict » Mon Feb 24, 2025 4:40 pm

hyapet wrote:Don't necessarily expect the Russian girls to come pouring into the West.

There's already still quite many Russian girls working in Europorn. As soon as tensions ease and visas will be available more easily again, more will come. I'm talking of up from 1 dozen a month to 2 dozens. Not huge numbers, but they will make a gen pool difference. Today only way out from Prague going fee skyrocketing is Latina imports, if we are lucky till end of 2025 a new breed of Russian talent is recruited not counting on old Prague fees anymore. Also a new breed of Ukrainian girls will start to flock in.
Prague fee will have to stay around 1k for DAP in order to not loose last local and EU girls and top talents without huge OF payouts like Mina or Stacy Bloom will sure have to get payed as before of even more. But production cant be based on them but much cheaper girls - still earning fair fees for the places they live in. Thats the core: Fee offered has to be motivating and fair!
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Postby dap-addict » Mon Feb 24, 2025 4:52 pm

hyapet wrote:Meanwhile, Andrew is busy releasing one trans scene once a week, and that's typically it. He took Giorgio's basic framework - tried to squeeze as much useless meat off of it as possible - but it's still the same skeleton.

I'm sorry, after having watched like 3,000 of these things, a different ethos to the very momentum of a scene has to change. Girl standing around - girl blowing - girl single anal - girl getting pee'd on - girl double anal - girl more pee - girl another double anal position - girl more pee - girl single anal - girl cumshot - girl more pee - is just so fucking tired at this point.

Andrew has obvious problems freeing himself from GIO studio and creating his own thing. Reason is he was the director behind GIO, for years already he shot 90% of GIO scenes. Now he has much less money in his back and is trying to do his best with this, and he basically doesnt bad, just that such small output isnt sustainable for todays crop of Eurogirls anymore. :(

EKS in turn could easily invest into direct scouting in Russia again, getting a foot into the door and prepare for the opening and visa ease, although production in Russia wont be possible anymore for ideological reasons of that dictatorship I am afraid, here I agree with hyapet. But girls will still wanna work with their body and Dubai option is already over-saturated today.

Maybe Andrew X. and Erika Korti could join forces, I rather see that happening than an AGO/AH collab.
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Re: Is this finally the turning point?

Postby xxxVIPERxxx » Mon Feb 24, 2025 6:39 pm

I actually can quite well believe that it is a review processing issue that is creating the back catalogue of scenes to be released.

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Re: Is this finally the turning point?

Postby latina-girls-yes » Mon Feb 24, 2025 8:17 pm

dap-addict wrote:
Oscar Batty wrote:There was some technical issues with the site this week and many scenes are still waiting to be reviewed for many days.

Is it a staffing problem?
I mean who interested in serious business would allow for something like that to happen 7 days and counting? :mad: :confused:

it sounds totally self-defeating. if no scenes are being released then no percentage of those scenes (pornbox's cut) is being received by pornbox. that's a recipe for failure

and more importantly (since pornbox is just the middleman and it's the creators who make the product) it undermines creators' turnover (incomings v outgoings) which can have a knock on effect on production when margins are tigh (eg. income from the last scene directly funding the production costs of the next).

so this pornbox bottleneck may not just be stalling the release of that which has already been shot, but also stalling the production of scenes that studios want to shoot but can't until funds from their previous release hit their acounts. it creates a negative feedback loop in which everyone loses out (including consumers, obviously)

if it were a one-off (illness, tech crash, new EU regulation, etc) it could be dismissed as just a blip. but creators have been drawing attention to this bottleneck here for many months now, and it only seems to be getting worse and not better.

pornbox has been the first stop for english-speaking porn consumers to buy latin-american scenes since those studios began releasing, but if this situation endures i wonder how long it might be before those studios start looking into forming a sales distribution cartel of their own with an english language interface, where fans of their content can buy direct from these studios without these delays?

all the major latin-american studios already have their own dedicated sites up and running. currently purchase links for their scenes currently lead to pornbox. but how long would it take for them to rent some server space to self-distribute content and swap those pornbox links out for something else paypal/CC/etc if they ever lost faith in pornbox in being able to do their job?
they don't do it now because they want to make content, not deal with distribution. but faced with a distributor than isn't distributing? they may feel it's their only option in order to survive

i'm not down on pornbox. it's been the first stop for non-US content for many years, it has given me much pleasure, and (speaking from the consumer perspective, i can't speak for creators) functioned well as a distributor during that time

but if the market (creators and consumers) lose faith in it, and a latin-american led alternative (able to do what pornbox can't) comes into being, pornbox may well find itself on the wrong end of market forces (which are creator and consumer led, not distributor led) and be left behind with only euro sales to sustain it (if that is even viable)
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Re: Is this finally the turning point?

Postby latina-girls-yes » Mon Feb 24, 2025 8:21 pm

jjwhite1985 wrote:Not sure I'm seeing the same "improvements" in the Latin American side that some others are - the opposite in fact. A few years back we had LTP and NTP putting out scenes regularly, since then LTP no longer exists and NTP is sporadic at best. Maybe this is the most promising market in terms of girls' fees and the feasibility of running a studio but it hasn't come to fruition as of yet.

admittedly my perspectives on the latin-american scene may be coloured by my inexhaustible enthusiasm for it and everyone involved in it, so if you see things the other way that may or may not be the more objective perspective. many perspectives make a reliable overview

that said, Natasha's studio not being able to fill the (huge) vaccuum left by the demise of LTP (yet) isn't a fair criticism to make of the studio. it may well be something they are trying to achieve ongoing (i suspect it is, and wish them luck with that), but it isn't an 'obligation' that can be placed upon them to meet from outside (the latin-american porn fanbase), and therefore they be seen to be failing if they don't meet.
we may want them to (even desperately need them to!), but it isn't their self-elected duty to deliver on that. they have their own unique agenda in place, and their own timetable set out in which they intend to achieve that, and only they will know how well (or not) they are delivering on that. i have faith what they are doing

re quality, personally i think the quality of their scenes (models hired, direction, action, styling, editing) has improved over the past few years. in earlier scenes the aesthetic was was more 'use a handheld camera, use ambient lighting, shoot wherever we can, and hope for the best' and it was essentially the astounding quality of the models and performances that got them through.
but now they have a professional quality product. direction is thought through, styling and set have improved, lighting is effective, editing purposeful, and the models and the acts are as wonderful as ever

that said, consistency is still a work in progress. they recently replaced much of the former male talent and getting the new studs up to speed is ongoing. and blurriness of close ups when zooming in (slow autofocus) is a bug i'd like to see ironed out. this only started recently, so it may mean they have upgraded a camera and are still adjusting to it (or it may mean their previous camera is temporarily out of action). but i expect these things to be resolved in due course, as other shortcomings have

again, if you feel things are going in the other direction, and production quality is going down, that's you perspective and you will have your reasons to feel that, so i'm not dismissing your opinion
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Re: Is this finally the turning point?

Postby davebowman » Wed Feb 26, 2025 1:02 am

Speaking personally, I'm struggling more and more to find anything on this site I'd even want to pay money for. A few years ago, every day there would be multiple scenes that the trailers would have me salivating at the mouth - these days, it's very thin pickings. :(

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Re: Is this finally the turning point?

Postby latina-girls-yes » Wed Feb 26, 2025 6:28 am

hyapet wrote:
dap-addict wrote:Not so sure about your white-ebony only percentages ...

what I meant was that, on average, most individual girls who walk through the studio's doors have a 85% white to 15% other (all the others) genetic make-up. So, you'll see a girl who's pretty much almost pure white, but there's some obvious other in that DNA stream as well. Like, the girls that walk into the studio like Vivian Lola are one in fifty. Most others have a noticeable addition to their gene pool, which is by no means a bad thing, but ... as far as the pure white girls go, they're super rare in South America. So ... as good as South American porn can and will be (I mean, I honestly love the actresses down there, my favorites being the Hayek twins, so ... pure white is by no means just always just an automatic victory) ... typically, the ones who will take your breath away ... will be the pure whites.

you bring up this genetic nonsense again and again hyapet, and it's not a healthy preoccupation. more and more you seem to be leaning into 'get the head calipers out' eugenics and there's no need to (there's actually *never' any need to unles you are invloved in genetics, or a nazi). it's actually perectly ok to say you find white skin attractive without constantly reaching for the pseudoscience

hyapet wrote:pure white is by no means just always just an automatic victory

hyapet wrote:the ones who will take your breath away ... will be the pure whites.

you should be embarrased to express something which is purely a matter of personal taste (you find white skin attractive) in such offensive terms

there's nothing *pure* about white skin - unless you think there is something *impure* about darker skin? is that really what you're trying to say? think about what you are saying
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Re: Is this finally the turning point?

Postby dap-addict » Wed Feb 26, 2025 7:48 am

lgy, why not just ignore racist posters and return to main issue, which is:
Oscar Batty wrote:There was some technical issues with the site this week and many scenes are still waiting to be reviewed for many days.

The problem is mostly technical on the site and the overload on the review team.
The studios are still shooting. Let's hope the review team will start reviewing our scenes waiting on the queue.

Big question is: How long can studios wait until they run into financial troubles when no new scenes can be released for days and days?

I also simply dont get why Pornbox hasnt more employees caring about all those constant issues also hurting their own revenues?! :mad: :confused:
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Re: Is this finally the turning point?

Postby hyapet » Wed Feb 26, 2025 11:32 am

latina-girls-yes wrote:there's nothing *pure* about white skin - unless you think there is something *impure* about darker skin? is that really what you're trying to say? think about what you are saying


There is something pure about white skin - because it isn't a color - it's a shade. It's on one side of the spectrum. Same thing with black skin - it's pure as well. Because, likewise, it isn't a color - it too is a shade.

Those being the two extremes, everything in-between is fine as well, just that, it loses the distinction of being of and only of one background or place. A pure black girl - like, I mean, her skin actually absorbs the sun and doesn't reflect it, and it's hard to tell what her actual features are - is something else in terms of hotness. Likewise, a pure ghost-like white that is seemingly otherworldly is incredible as well.

"Pure" means to denote as far to the reflective end of the shade spectrum as it can possibly go. Not as a qualifier as to the worth of the beauty or the person holding it. Because somebody has one skin tone instead of another doesn't make them any greater or any less valuable in terms of being a person, but ...

When it comes to sales figures - how do you honestly think that plays out? Like - I implore you not to make the mistake of thinking that the world bends its knee to your ideals. The world is just honest. It likes the blonde haired blue eyed girls more - and is willing to pay more money for them - as well as more customers are willing to line up for them as well. There's a whole series of other factors that go into play there as well, socio-economic and all the rest, but it is what it is.

Is the whole fucking world racist? Or can people have a preference, whatever they may prefer, without it automatically being seen through the lens of diminishing their value as a human being? There's a lot of people out there that celebrate and prefer black girls over all others - openly so - but you wouldn't level those same charges against them, would you?

And why not?

Because you haven't questioned your own societal conditioning?

dap-addict wrote:lgy, why not just ignore racist posters and return to main issue


Big words from somebody that can't seem to produce anything but.

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Re: Is this finally the turning point?

Postby dap-addict » Wed Feb 26, 2025 12:13 pm

hyapet wrote:
dap-addict wrote:lgy, why not just ignore racist posters and return to main issue
Big words from somebody that can't seem to produce anything but.

One and the other isnt linked.
Biz is in crisis and starting-up something new isnt that easy as it seems. You would experience the same. Even Pinapples did it already a few years back.
But we still give/gave our input on porn and posts here.

Btw, for me your argumentation is rasist, but at the same time I enjoy reading a lot of your long posts rooted in a more conservative worldview than mine. It's inspiring still.
Fact however is unchanged: OP is about the slowdown of porn production.
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Re: Is this finally the turning point?

Postby suwasantoonnok1150 » Wed Feb 26, 2025 12:31 pm

Personally, I think that if the Russian war ends, everything will gradually get better.

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Re: Is this finally the turning point?

Postby feltrough » Wed Feb 26, 2025 4:01 pm

last few days is really not looking optimistic
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Re: Is this finally the turning point?

Postby hyapet » Wed Feb 26, 2025 6:26 pm

dap-addict wrote:Btw, for me your argumentation is rasist, but at the same time I enjoy reading a lot of your long posts rooted in a more conservative worldview than mine. It's inspiring still.
Fact however is unchanged: OP is about the slowdown of porn production.


Well - then you opinion really doesn't matter, does it?

I mean, when your given an accountable, sensible explanation for why the person said what they did, where it's based in fact, and you have a supposedly long history of knowing the person isn't racist towards other people, and in fact, celebrates girls (such as the Hayek twins - who I cannot shut up about) as being the absolute top tier of the industry - and you're willing to dismiss all of that because, what reason? So, you can what? Lay a serious character-damaging claim against that person?

Like, I don't find myself to be "conservative" as much as I find myself to be "based in reality." I don't conform things to my world view, I conform my world view to the evidence I see repeated time and time again. Some evidence will point towards a more conservative direction - others a more liberal one. I am, after all, on a porn forum that specializes and celebrates some of the most degrading legal porn (see what I did there) on the market. Obviously claiming that I'm one or the other misses the greater context in which this is all taking place. Much like the casual comment that, "Oh, you know, that racist." Like, seriously, if that's the standard you hold yourself to, or how you treat somebody that's offered their time here as I have - then fuck you.

And what - you haven't done what - because of what? Anything ? Like - I hate to break it to you - but even with all the conditions currently facing the market, which are indeed poor, you haven't really used the extra time you've been afforded wisely.

Your production plans are to go and shoot some porn in a market that allows cheap access to greater beauty ... but, to do what exactly? Shoot the same style of porn that was shot in 2014? The days of the traditional porn shoot have come to a close. And this all ties into the topic at hand quite neatly, by the way.

With the rising costs for everything - including energy - rent - electricity - equipment - just all of it - the payment of the model factors in less and less in the overall schematic of things. However, that's not even the biggest issue ...

The nature of OF changed everything - it's been said countless times - but what really hasn't been accentuated in just the manner in which it changed the game everyone plays. And how that relates directly into what you're trying to accomplish. OF didn't just change the economics of the marketplace, or the provider/consumer relationship, it changed the very nature of porn itself. There have been none here more vocal about that - and about as clairvoyant and clear on the matter and in a completely brilliant manner - than Giorgio Grandi himself.

The girls on OF charge sky-high prices, but do you know why they can get away with it ? Because they aren't just sitting there and fucking themselves with a dildo on camera like some 2015 webcam girl. No, they're providing customized videos for their fans. Meaning, a guy that may have had the budget for fifteen scenes from various studios over the course of a month or two months, can now find the girl of his dreams, give her a customized script, pay for all the equipment, and then have a video he'll jack off to for the next three years.

I'll give you an example of how this works - a girl he finds gorgeously attractive looks a lot like Tsunade from Naruto: Shippuden (a Japanese manga and anime). She's got the blonde hair, the nice naturally gigantic soft titties, and the beautifully full face. He pays for the costume, and a dildo that will shoot a huge load out of it. He gives her a customized script, and has her read that whilst performing aheago (cross-eyed/losing control/super sexually stimulated), slowly undressing herself, and begins slobbing over the cock in front of her. She continuously, but slowly, peels off the layers of her costume/uniform, until she's completely naked, and continuously deepthroating the large dildo now. All the while saying exactly what he wants her to say and in the manner he wants her to say it. She then gets a vibrator and begins masturbating at the same time - sending her aheago into overdrive, while she's still deepthroating the cock until, she pulls back, goes full cross-eyed, and then has an absolutely gigantic load shoot out and drench her face with dripping cum.

Its a 16 minute video - and she charges $60 per minute. He pays $960 for it - but then - he's set. He's got one of the best, most favorite porn videos of all time. This thing has a ticket for at least 2,000 loads from him in the future. As I said, he's set.

That's what the porn of today looks like.

Not watching some cute, but otherwise ordinary stranger, stand around, and then get put through a robotic process of taking various amounts of cock in different stages until ... it's over, I guess. Like, I'm not giving it the same explanatory respect as I did my example, but I don't need to, I mean ... how many of these kinds of scenes have we already watched? Thousands and thousands and thousands of times.

I told you in your actual thread - do you have anything that can really differentiate your product and stand out in a marketplace that's been overloaded with 20+ years of likewise shot porn. You never answered. I offered to write you a script that would really bring something different to the proceedings. No answer. Okay. That's up to you. Maybe you've got a real golden egg, and you're just sitting on it. You can do as you see fit - including ignoring the offer of help - obviously.

But, from what I've read from you, you think that going down to South America, starting a bare bones operation, and creating some DAP porn for a ... pretty represented genre, especially when it comes to South America, is going to bring a viable chance of making it for the future.

Again, I iterate, the very nature of what porn is has changed. The intimacy of the private setting - and the customizability of it - have essentially taken over the industry. Leaving everyone else scrambling for the crumbs. The loaf is on OF - you'll be going down to SA to grab what's left - or what hasn't already been grabbed by the other five or six leading studios there on the entire platform, run by absolute veterans in the industry. Regardless ...

The old stories and setting of porn aren't cutting it. Whether it's the active story, which is like a Brazzer's, "Oh my gosh - I can't believe your Mom has 38GG tits, AND needs my help in the basement with the laundry," all the while taking place in a house they could never afford, driving cars they could never afford, and essentially displaying their wealth without realizing it creates a vast degree of separation between them and their audience. That their audience has been fully awakened to the fact that that will never be them, and therefore has no place in their fantasy because it thereby actively excludes them from it. Or ...

Whether it's the passive story, where a girl shows up to a studio, stands around awkwardly for three minutes, and then gets tossed to a group of male actors like a piece of meat. The passive story is still way better compared between those two, but it's the active story that has all the potential.

Which is why the OF market is killing it right now.

A girl I find to be outrageously beautiful - dressed up exactly how I want her to fucking look (whether it's an elf, a sorceress, or an astronaut if I want it) - saying exactly the things I want her to say - and, most importantly, for a price, performing the things I actually want her to perform.

For those who want a little bit more interaction with the girl - she can, as Giorgio pointed out, hire an Indian to talk to you while your one hand is on the keyboard.

That's what you're going up against. They could make girls be willing to perform your DAPs in South America for half the rate you think would be fair, but it wouldn't cure the biggest problem facing not only yourself, but the entire traditional porn industry at this point.

That they're not relevant anymore.

They're horse and buggying it around when people are on the road with cars now. The game has changed.

And for someone who's in as deep into this forum as you are - and for someone who has many industry connections as you do - I haven't really gotten the impression that you're planning anything that could either address or counter this. But, don't worry, when somebody does find out that next magical formula (if it does still indeed exist), then, they'll pretty much become the porn king for the next fifteen years. Until then ...

Irrespective of whenever (and that's a big whenever) you would find it optimal to jump into the pool - nobody's put any new water in there for a long time. And unless you're planning to bring some yourself, don't figure that the quality of that experience (especially on the sales side) is going to reflect anything but the reality that's already been established for a couple of years now.

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Re: Is this finally the turning point?

Postby latina-girls-yes » Wed Feb 26, 2025 8:10 pm

dap-addict wrote:lgy, why not just ignore racist posters and return to main issue, which is:
Oscar Batty wrote:There was some technical issues with the site this week and many scenes are still waiting to be reviewed for many days.

The problem is mostly technical on the site and the overload on the review team.
The studios are still shooting. Let's hope the review team will start reviewing our scenes waiting on the queue.

Big question is: How long can studios wait until they run into financial troubles when no new scenes can be released for days and days?

I also simply dont get why Pornbox hasnt more employees caring about all those constant issues also hurting their own revenues?! :mad: :confused:

a) i posted about the main issue immediately after Oscar made that post (see comment before) and further down in a reply to JJwhite

it's an important subject but i've already said all i need to say about it

b) would you ask Oscar to ignore racist remarks made on this forum? ignoring racist commentary is peak white privilege (fwiw, i accept that you are not racist, and i know your intention was to lead to converastion back to the theme of the OP. it's just that there are some things one can get away with sweeping under the carpet, and other things... no)
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Re: Is this finally the turning point?

Postby latina-girls-yes » Wed Feb 26, 2025 9:09 pm

hyapet wrote:
latina-girls-yes wrote:there's nothing *pure* about white skin - unless you think there is something *impure* about darker skin? is that really what you're trying to say? think about what you are saying


There is something pure about white skin - because it isn't a color - it's a shade. It's on one side of the spectrum. Same thing with black skin - it's pure as well. Because, likewise, it isn't a color - it too is a shade.

Those being the two extremes, everything in-between is fine as well, just that, it loses the distinction of being of and only of one background or place. A pure black girl - like, I mean, her skin actually absorbs the sun and doesn't reflect it, and it's hard to tell what her actual features are - is something else in terms of hotness. Likewise, a pure ghost-like white that is seemingly otherworldly is incredible as well.

"Pure" means to denote as far to the reflective end of the shade spectrum as it can possibly go.

a 'pure white' comment used in the context of discussing the refraction of light on flesh is a valid theme, but that comment immediately following your ruminations on DNA percentages of certain populations and saying bizarre things like "the ones who will take your breath away ... will be the pure whites" made your comment look far less like an innocent discussion about optics and far more like a nod to the 1935 nuremberg laws. and you have form on veering into offensive pseudoscience like this:

hyapet wrote:There's a reason many German women look like men - when the genetic line gets weakened - it seems that, lacking a better term, having such a shallow pool to juxtapose and create a "new look" amongst the existing (very narrow) strains of DNA - that gender either starts to deform into hideous physical deformations (men) or starts borrowing from the other gender and starts looking like them (women).

European women don't have "grace" in their looks. They have exaggeration. They have parts that don't line up with one another, are extreme in and of themselves, and look, lacking a better term, "tired." The kind of girls that take the blood right out of an erection.

if you want a basic grounding on genetic diversity and the origin of civilization societes, start in africa (there's more genetic diversity - by many orders of magnitude - on that single continent than there is among the rest of the world combined), and then move onto the cradles of civilisation (generally considered to be six in total, four in africa, the levant, china and india - the so-called 'old world', and two in the americas (peru and environs, and mesoamerica, mexico etc - the latinas!) so-called 'the new world'. these starting points are real geneology and real anthropology

and conspicous by their absence, no mention of 'pure white' western europe or north america in that list. so it turns out 'ole whitey' (a provocative term, used ironically) was literally the last to get the email about human evolution and the emergence of civilisation. who knew???

hyapet wrote:Is the whole fucking world racist? Or can people have a preference, whatever they may prefer, without it automatically being seen through the lens of diminishing their value as a human being?

of course they can. my comment was literally only three lines long, and one of them explicitly clarifed that.

latina-girls-yes wrote:it's actually perectly ok to say you find white skin attractive without constantly reaching for the pseudoscience
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Re: Is this finally the turning point?

Postby dap-addict » Wed Feb 26, 2025 9:45 pm

Ok, we stray now further away, but indeed it's still somehow about the massive porn production slowdown, because every idea creating a new product means also to re-build part of the lost production base.

hyapet wrote:I told you in your actual thread - do you have anything that can really differentiate your product and stand out in a marketplace that's been overloaded with 20+ years of likewise shot porn. You never answered. I offered to write you a script that would really bring something different to the proceedings. No answer. Okay. That's up to you. Maybe you've got a real golden egg, and you're just sitting on it. You can do as you see fit - including ignoring the offer of help - obviously.

hyapet, I must have missed that and I am sorry for that.
Of course I am interested!

Me, I have some ideas how to make my product more personalized, how to bring girls I'd shoot closer to end user. That would equal including some emotional plus OF gives the users.
But basically every porn scene per week shot for those 3-4 porn scenes not shot by GIO anymore would be a contribution to re-build Europorn production again. This said ofc I also have to sell my product - although here I am less pressed than other small studios I guess.
The reason I haven't started is the logistic and technical process being more difficult than I was aware of. Also this is a biz you cannot count on anybody, it's a hard all-against-all business. I had a few of these white Slavic NRX-style girls at fairly cheap DAPbreakin' prices offered, but than suddenly agent doubles their fee. WTF!
I'm myself a big fan of Russian girls, but if I Latin America is the only place I can get reasonably cheap talent I'll take them from there or shoot there locally. Exotic looks sell also - and users world got more racially diverse last 10-20 years. Basically practically I care only about girls performing what I want in my porn scripts without creating additional problems, color of skin is really secondary.
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Re: Is this finally the turning point?

Postby xxxVIPERxxx » Wed Feb 26, 2025 10:04 pm

suwasantoonnok1150 wrote:Personally, I think that if the Russian war ends, everything will gradually get better.


I think so too, at least with the cost of living, and energy crisis. That can in turn lead to more financial freedom for the studios.

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Re: Is this finally the turning point?

Postby hyapet » Thu Feb 27, 2025 6:43 am

latina-girls-yes wrote:a 'pure white' comment used in the context of discussing the refraction of light on flesh is a valid theme, but that comment immediately following your ruminations on DNA percentages of certain populations and saying bizarre things like "the ones who will take your breath away ... will be the pure whites" made your comment look far less like an innocent discussion about optics and far more like a nod to the 1935 nuremberg laws.


It's obvious that there is a big old mixing pot happening in South America, where the original South American populations got wiped out by the Spanish (or, 90% of them did, like the Maya), and what's going on there now is a mix between Spanish, some European, and African bloodlines. With a touch of Indian and Asian to boot, but that's more from the last forty years than anything else.

Still keeping with the theme of the thread - it's incredibly important to note what's happening, and more specifically - why it's happening.

It's kind of funny how when Vivian Lola was discovered in South America - almost immediately - she was brought up and shoot, essentially, non-stop for every European studio still under AV/PB's umbrella. Gee! I wonder why that was. Is she incredibly talented? Yes. Could she and would she be willing to do things many other performers would blush at? Certainly. But ... there's something else that seemed to pave her way ... any guesses?

Getting more on the nose and just coming straight out and saying it - why do you think OF took off, latina-girls-yes? Seriously - why do you think a bunch of girls shooting low-quality, run-of-the-mill, webcam porn suddenly fucking crushed the traditional porn market? Three guesses. Actually, only one guess is needed.

It was because they were all white.

This isn't saying that that means they're better people - or that they are indeed more beautiful, even though such observations are subjective - but it completely fucking collapses your whole "eh, aren't you a big ol' Nazi dialogue" when the entire fucking thing I'm talking about has a real current-day world model staring you right in the fucking face.

For somebody who supposedly comes at things from a technical perspective - you sure seem to put all that away when it's time to start throwing around baseless accusations and getting up on your liberal high-horse. Straight up fucking retarded.

latina-girls-yes wrote:and you have form on veering into offensive pseudoscience like this:

hyapet wrote:There's a reason many German women look like men - when the genetic line gets weakened - it seems that, lacking a better term, having such a shallow pool to juxtapose and create a "new look" amongst the existing (very narrow) strains of DNA - that gender either starts to deform into hideous physical deformations (men) or starts borrowing from the other gender and starts looking like them (women).

European women don't have "grace" in their looks. They have exaggeration. They have parts that don't line up with one another, are extreme in and of themselves, and look, lacking a better term, "tired." The kind of girls that take the blood right out of an erection.


What's your argument here, latina-girls-yes? Think about this real hard for a second. Think about where you are - and what it is you're actually saying by pointing this particular quote out.

Inbreeding within Europe is a historical fact. As are many of the physical deformities or deviations that result from that, and carry through the blood-lines until enough diversity can correct or repair it.

This is a porn forum, latina-girls-yes, so, from what I gather, what you're essentially saying, whether you realize it or not, is that you prefer seeing inbred people fucking in your porn.

Think about that for a moment.

latina-girls-yes wrote:if you want a basic grounding on genetic diversity and the origin of civilization societes, start in africa (there's more genetic diversity - by many orders of magnitude - on that single continent than there is among the rest of the world combined), and then move onto the cradles of civilisation (generally considered to be six in total, four in africa, the levant, china and india - the so-called 'old world', and two in the americas (peru and environs, and mesoamerica, mexico etc - the latinas!) so-called 'the new world'. these starting points are real geneology and real anthropology

and conspicous by their absence, no mention of 'pure white' western europe or north america in that list. so it turns out 'ole whitey' (a provocative term, used ironically) was literally the last to get the email about human evolution and the emergence of civilisation. who knew???


If you honestly think that the racial make-up of the people on this planet (that vary by such a gigantic margin) is the result of migratory flows, well ...

Here, I'll give you a hint. I mentioned the Maya previously. Where do you think they actually came from ?

It's all conjecture, but, looking at the shared cultures that existed previously over six thousand years ago across the planet (why are there pyramids everywhere, kind of odd, for a planet where basic ship-building was just getting started) and, again, the incredible differences between the different races, but, at the same time, the narrow spectrums found within those particular races when it comes to the diversity and "similar looks" that occur within those groupings ...

It's pretty obvious what I'm alluding to here, but, if you honestly think all the different races just eventually sprang up on this planet, then really ... it's like ... No.

latina-girls-yes wrote:it's actually perectly ok to say you find white skin attractive without constantly reaching for the pseudoscience
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Saying in-breeding exists isn't pseudoscience. Neither is saying that girls in South America come from mixed backgrounds. Nor is it pseudoscience to state that white girls bring in a significantly larger volume of sales when it comes to porn, so much so, that they essentially kickstarted their own movement that completely demolished the traditional porn industry just by them not really being there anymore to support it, or, more like, the white 9's and the 10's could sink the white 8's and the 7's and all of the other 10's and 9's of all the other races combined by just moving themselves to the OF platform.

That isn't me giving a racist speech. That isn't me saying this is a good thing. This is me merely pointing out the realities that exist. I'm sorry if that makes you uncomfortable. It's just too bad you reflexively reach for your liberal racist pistol whenever anybody brings up anything regarding these topics - without actually saying anything racist in them. Be smarter than that, latina-girls-yes. The word "racist" has almost no meaning in America anymore due to liberal people pulling that shit off. Don't bring that energy here.

dap-addict wrote:Me, I have some ideas how to make my product more personalized, how to bring girls I'd shoot closer to end user. That would equal including some emotional plus OF gives the users.


The emotion of the watcher doesn't matter - he will become emotional based on the quality of the content that is being presented to him. Appealing to his emotion beforehand loses the power that film has - in that - you are powerless when watching the film. Just like you want to call out in the horror movie for the main character to turn around (but they can't hear you), having scenarios in porn can produce a likewise effect, the only problem being ...

The porn actress might actually need to be able to act. And the hokey, Mike-Chapman-esque, let's all have a giggle on set, is the absolute anathema for really bringing people into the scene.

NRX got close to the idea I'm going for - but didn't really nail it. Sometimes in Japanese porn you see the absolute magic of what a really good shoot plus story combination can bring, but it's only like in one out of every 15,000 scenes. Amateur porn, of all things, in NA/Europe can hit that note too, sometimes, but unwittingly so, like a completely happy and freak accident, and even then, nobody really knows what happened or why it worked.

Either way - traditionally shot porn - both the active (with the dumb story) or the passive (with a girl just being thrown to the wolves) needs an upgrade.

OF girls showed that they could upgrade the medium of fucking webcam porn of all things - so the idea that traditional porn can't evolve is bullshit - just that nobody has come across the formula yet. I did - but that's just me saying that. I'm also on a porn forum in the middle of the Internet - so who gives a fuck what I have to say.

And understandably so.

suwasantoonnok1150 wrote:Personally, I think that if the Russian war ends, everything will gradually get better.


I don't know ...

Maybe. Probably. But, there really isn't a cure-all band-aid that exists in this situation. And the new reality that OF brought into the market is here to stay.

That's not just a problem that's in isolation from the traditional porn market - where OF exists in one world and traditional porn in another - but one that directly affects traditional porn in every aspect of the business.

Okay - let's say you find a Russian girl (a white girl) who's a 9 or a 10. She shoots three scenes with you - and they're great - and you figure, okay, let's keep this ball rolling, and then ... she bails on you. She won't commit to any more scenes.

Why not? She started an OF account. And the popularity from the scenes you shot with her was enough to get her a base of subscribers that would allow her to live off on her own.

Remember - white girls that are 10s and 9s run OF. Amouranth made 57 million fucking dollars on the platform.

Your 1,000 Euros gonna be able to compete with that?

Granted - not everyone is an Amouranth. But, then again, when it comes to girls and convincing them of the beauty they have, they don't have to be convinced that they're that kind of beautiful. They'll believe it willingly, even if it's not true. So, what chances do you have when it actually is true?

Those girls made the OF platform. It's a gigantic Olympic sized pool full of cash.

And the traditional porn industry is often used just as the jumping board.

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Re: Is this finally the turning point?

Postby dap-addict » Thu Feb 27, 2025 9:41 am

hyapet wrote:Okay - let's say you find a Russian girl (a white girl) who's a 9 or a 10. She shoots three scenes with you - and they're great - and you figure, okay, let's keep this ball rolling, and then ... she bails on you. She won't commit to any more scenes.

Why not? She started an OF account. And the popularity from the scenes you shot with her was enough to get her a base of subscribers that would allow her to live off on her own.

So why not simply adapt and shoot rookies, beam them up to DAP in 3 scenes or shoot just 3 DAP with them and earn money with them on the traditional porn market and than let them go to their OF and take the next one?
Once Russian market opens again due to end of War this can be made. NRX usually had them for 10 scenes and than switched to another girl, maybe now with OF more popular, they last only 3 scenes, maybe some last 5-10. Thats actually something any studio can quite easily adapt to.
Only problem is bigger scouting budget needed. ;)
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Re: Is this finally the turning point?

Postby dap-addict » Thu Feb 27, 2025 9:43 am

Btw, in case you haven't noticed, PB with 3 new DAP releases is back to 'normal' again. :cool: However, we first have to see whether its stable for next week or so.
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Re: Is this finally the turning point?

Postby Oscar Batty » Thu Feb 27, 2025 1:47 pm

dap-addict wrote:Btw, in case you haven't noticed, PB with 3 new DAP releases is back to 'normal' again. :cool: However, we first have to see whether its stable for next week or so.


Actually nothing is back to normal on our side, they only reviewed one scene, other scenes are still waiting to be reviewed, if this continues for another week, we are unfortunately not going to be able to continue. We were shooting almost everyday, so we need to sell the scene for the cash flow.

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Re: Is this finally the turning point?

Postby liko19 » Thu Feb 27, 2025 4:09 pm

Oscar Batty wrote:
dap-addict wrote:Btw, in case you haven't noticed, PB with 3 new DAP releases is back to 'normal' again. :cool: However, we first have to see whether its stable for next week or so.


Actually nothing is back to normal on our side, they only reviewed one scene, other scenes are still waiting to be reviewed, if this continues for another week, we are unfortunately not going to be able to continue. We were shooting almost everyday, so we need to sell the scene for the cash flow.



Well, that's very rude and not fair to your studio. Pornbox staff should be very ashamed, but you are not alone. EKS also hasn't released a scene in a few days, although like your studio they release a scene almost every day.

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Re: Is this finally the turning point?

Postby feltrough » Thu Feb 27, 2025 4:50 pm

exactly! studios are throwing money into production and not getting revenue becouse this shitty site cant sell them! this is not sustainable in the long run for anyone. Also what is happening with EKS? no new scene for a week now also.
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Re: Is this finally the turning point?

Postby dap-addict » Thu Feb 27, 2025 4:52 pm

Oscar Batty wrote:
dap-addict wrote:Btw, in case you haven't noticed, PB with 3 new DAP releases is back to 'normal' again. :cool: However, we first have to see whether its stable for next week or so.


Actually nothing is back to normal on our side, they only reviewed one scene, other scenes are still waiting to be reviewed, if this continues for another week, we are unfortunately not going to be able to continue. We were shooting almost everyday, so we need to sell the scene for the cash flow.

:( :mad:
Oscar (or any other studios), is there a possible explanation why reviewing takes so long?
What is so difficult or time consuming in reviewing?
Is it a problem of under-staffing?
Or are only a few studios reviewed (AH/GIO for instance), while other scenes have it much harder to get the reviewer approval?
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Re: Is this finally the turning point?

Postby hyapet » Thu Feb 27, 2025 7:19 pm

dap-addict wrote:
hyapet wrote:Okay - let's say you find a Russian girl (a white girl) who's a 9 or a 10. She shoots three scenes with you - and they're great - and you figure, okay, let's keep this ball rolling, and then ... she bails on you. She won't commit to any more scenes.

Why not? She started an OF account. And the popularity from the scenes you shot with her was enough to get her a base of subscribers that would allow her to live off on her own.

So why not simply adapt and shoot rookies, beam them up to DAP in 3 scenes or shoot just 3 DAP with them and earn money with them on the traditional porn market and than let them go to their OF and take the next one?
Once Russian market opens again due to end of War this can be made. NRX usually had them for 10 scenes and than switched to another girl, maybe now with OF more popular, they last only 3 scenes, maybe some last 5-10. Thats actually something any studio can quite easily adapt to.
Only problem is bigger scouting budget needed. ;)


NRX hit the nail on the head with the ten scene contract. They really did.

Because the first time you saw a new girl and really liked her (which was all the time) - you knew that the next two to three months with the studio were going to be awesome. It also let a "relationship" form between the actress and the audience (not an actual relationship - but, you know ... actually, let me explain this). The story that girl told through those ten shoots was the same as every other girl, but it was a good story.

It starts out with the girl being like, "I like sex and I'm used to it - I can handle this!" And so she goes one on one with someone like Leo Casanova, and, for the most part, she holds her own. A couple of positions are difficult, but, you know, for the most part, she's still smiling at the end. Then comes the DP, and, well, things have been taken up a notch here. But still, she's like, "Hey, you know what, this is what I signed up for, and I'm not going to show any weakness." Again - absolutely wonderful.

Then comes the Black DP - and now ... well, the girl starts losing more control during the shoot. She might think she likes porn and can handle it, but now ... now there's parts of the scenes and the sets that she can't handle that well anymore, and starts losing control over her on-screen persona.

Next - a DVP with the white team. She's now getting proper fucked - and the course of the scene is just making it from one part of the shoot to the next without either screaming out from pain, from having too many orgasms, or both. She's starting to step into the deep end here. Next comes the Black DVP - and although you would've thought the white DVP would've broken her in, she still wasn't ready for this.

Now the first DAP. The girl might have fooled herself into thinking that she's been growing to the point where she can handle this stuff - but the reality of the shoot comes crashing down on her. She really feels it going in, but, that's nothing, because next is the Black DAP, and it's at this point that the girl typically loses all control. She's jumped fully into the deep end, and now she's being handled like a piece of meat, and she just can't take what's being offered. She's getting absolutely blown through - and while this might not be the culmination of her porn journey - it could very well be and no-one would have an issue with that.

The audience saw a beautiful young girl say, "I think I can handle porn, so I'm going to try it," to going to full gasping for air because her insides are getting rearranged by two black monster cocks tearing apart her shitter at the same time.

That journey, when cast where every individual step is given full respect and allowed to breathe, becomes what attaches men to their actresses of choice, and what keeps them coming back to the studio for a long time after.

It's the build up, dap-addict. It's not just the act itself. It's the teasing - the tension - the wait. Seeing a beautiful girl fully take that journey to the summit is what makes the summit so worthwhile. The journey. If you just got into an elevator and hit the top right away, it'd be like, "Cool, yeah, top of the mountain. Great. Is there a bar here or something? Yeah, we'll take photos later, we've got a full day ahead of us." Instead of, "Oh my God! We made it! What a journey! I can't believe we made it this far! How great is this!"

So - three scenes - all daps ... that's disrespecting the DAP, dap-addict.

You're addicted to daps, dap-addict. And that isn't necessarily a good thing.

When an addict rolls out his eight ball - and just starts snorting away - he's not really enjoying it, is he ... No. It's not special. It's not a treat. It's just something he's shoving into himself. Whereas, the first time he tried it, he probably remembers that as one of the best nights of his life. Every moment was remembered. Everything played out naturally.

The ladder to the DAP is really important. Or else, people will become desensitized to the act itself. It'll just become the new normal.

5 scene contract, minimum. Ideally seven.

Oscar Batty wrote:Actually nothing is back to normal on our side, they only reviewed one scene, other scenes are still waiting to be reviewed, if this continues for another week, we are unfortunately not going to be able to continue. We were shooting almost everyday, so we need to sell the scene for the cash flow.


Really amazing scene, Oscar. Straight up.

So good to see you giving Jenny Pretinha the attention she 110% deserves. That girl is the kind of gorgeous that is almost stupid in and of itself. Like, when I look at her, my mind stops putting words together correctly.

The outfit - the shoot - the energy - all superbly done.

Great job again, Oscar. Truly a treat! :D

And yeah ...

The site that uploads videos from 2003 on an almost daily basis, making sure to stuff 20 webcam scenes in there, and has their best releases swamped under preview pics of guys full on sucking dick in the picture and people so fat they can't even fit into the entire camera frame ...

You're saying these guys don't pay any attention to their AAA studios producing some of the best porn ever shot?

My shock, sadly, is not as palpable as it should be.

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Re: Is this finally the turning point?

Postby justinwarren41 » Thu Feb 27, 2025 7:36 pm

Jenny is so stunning it really is stupid. Haha. Her beach has so much beauty, blue sky, mountains, beach and ocean and of course Jenny's smile it is KFC TBE charts before the fucking starts. Art meets open

What does the scene review refer? The site reviews content or what exactly?

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Re: Is this finally the turning point?

Postby jjwhite1985 » Thu Feb 27, 2025 8:37 pm

justinwarren41 wrote:What does the scene review refer? The site reviews content or what exactly?

I think it's to do with the studios providing the correct paperwork for the scenes, with performer details and other stuff, so they know everything is legal and above board.

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Re: Is this finally the turning point?

Postby Oscar Batty » Thu Feb 27, 2025 9:49 pm

jjwhite1985 wrote:
justinwarren41 wrote:What does the scene review refer? The site reviews content or what exactly?

I think it's to do with the studios providing the correct paperwork for the scenes, with performer details and other stuff, so they know everything is legal and above board.


In this case, they have to watch the entire scene. This is done to every scenes uploaded. I am not sure how they do it in details but they have to check if the content shot is compliant. Other platforms like C4S have the same but their review do not take more than 4 hours.

At the moment we scene scenes waiting for many days to be reviewed. The site has not communicated anything to us, this is actually making it even more frustrating.

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Re: Is this finally the turning point?

Postby nietchk7 » Fri Feb 28, 2025 1:13 am

The funny thing is that there’s a studio that shut down over a year ago, yet it’s exploiting AVLP crowds by recycling old scenes over and over with different titles under new labels, often deceiving users as they never specify that these are re-releases. The review team keeps approving Latin Teens Production scenes under the scam labels Dave_Mont (LTP’s CEO is actually named Dave Mont, you can even find him on IG to call him out) and Bruno_Films.

If we take action against them, the queue might be less clogged. This situation is completely getting out of hand. They have finished recycling scenes under Bruno_Films and are now doing the same with Dave_Mont, sometimes releasing 2-3 old scenes in a single day. Can we put an end to this fraud?

I’ll always be grateful to LTP for discovering gems like Sussy Sweet and Emily White, but it’s time to stop their passive income thru reselling previously released scenes. Maybe this could even push them to start shooting new stuff again.
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