Studio critic - poor use of very good models

[Nerdperv]

Ok, now I can see what your problem is. You're missing the point of free will! LP is not some totalitarian state... It's not North Korea. Models come to LP on their own free will, nobody is forcing them to come here! They perform dap on their own free will, nobody is forcing them to perform it! If they use anesthetics, they do it on their own free will, nobody is forcing them...

Mate, then wthat the hell do you argue about then? We're saying something is wrong in our opinion, that we do not like nor agree woth a practice, then you get involved without being asked and you argue with us calling us idiots or whatever and then you bring free will into play? Mate are you delusional? Get a life and stop trolling us!

[mdsflyby]

We're saying something is wrong in our opinion, that we do not like nor agree woth a practice...

What is wrong? That some models are doing drugs out of their own free will? What LP has to do with that? Why do you come here to bitch about it? Go on every other model [spam] and advice them not to do drugs! Good luck with that!

[Boshanks]

We all know about that bottle from Hungary

As i said, you don't know what goes on behind the scenes anymore than the rest of us do

But go ahead, keep speculating about what every other model chooses to do, of their own free will, from now until the end of time

You are Anti-LegalPorno, whether you realize it or not

Thing is, they don't need your approval, anymore than you need mine

You're correct about the bottles origin. Egis is a pharmaceutical company based in Hungary, in fact it's the main manufacturer and exporter of Lidocaine in Europe, they sell their product to several different countries including the Czech Rebublic. What's your point ?

Again you mention speculating. I understand that you want to twist this in order to protect your own interests, but the words of this site's owner can not be misinterpreted no matter how hard you try. I asked the STUDIO to stop USING it ages ago, but I hear some models keep ASKING for it. In one sentence he not only confirms the studio is using it, but they must also be providing it if it's being asked for.

For years that fat asshole PW was spreading rumors about how DAP was being continuously achieved here, that information was being provided to him primarily by Markus Dupree. I assumed it was complete bullshit, but regrettably it's turned out to be true.

And finally, the angle everyone resorts to eventually, free will (or if you're a complete moron, comparing this discussion to totalitarianism ) Of course these women have the choice to do whatever the fuck they want, does that mean the company doesn't have a responsibility to advise them about the serious dangers of doing it, or better yet, to not allow it ? If xxx had said I'm furious about this being photographed in my studio, I don't want this shit being used on the sets of my company, I wouldn't have anything to say on the matter, instead he tried to defend it by claiming it's not pure Lidocaine, which is completely untrue, and even compared it to strepsils This product should never be used for the purpose of performing anal, or vaginal for that matter. What's being produced here consistently without any lull in production is undoubtedly being achieved in some instances by artificial means. As a customer this not only pisses me off with regard to the product that's being sold to me, but it's also incredibly reckless and shouldn't be condoned. There are products available that have been specifically designed for this sort of thing, Lidocaine is absolutely not one of them.

What is wrong? That some models are doing drugs out of their own free will? What LP has to do with that?

Erm, they're providing it and allowing it to be used on set.

[Nerdperv]

Correct!

[mdsflyby]

You're correct about the bottles origin. Egis is a pharmaceutical company based in Hungary, in fact it's the main manufacturer and exporter of Lidocaine in Europe, they sell their product to several different countries including the Czech Rebublic. What's your point ?

No, my dear delusional friend, Lidocaine sold in Czech Republic contains Czech language on the package! Egis also produces this product in Czech Republic... Now tell me why would they want to export it to Czech Republic from Hungary, if they have production there? So, who's moron here?

http://www.dinarin.cz/Podle-vyrobce/Egis/Lidocain-10-spr-1x38gm.html

https://www.databaze-leku-sukl.cz/sukl-0203092--10-drm-spr-sol-1x38g-27357.html

Lidocaine that was pictured on LP set was produced in Hungary, here's example of Hungarian product:

http://sanitaria.hu/lidocain_egis_kulsoleges_oldatos_spray_10518

As I mentioned already you only want to see things in your own delusional ways...

[Boshanks]

http://www.egis.hu/wps/portal/egisEN/cegunkrol/ceowelcome/!ut/p/z1/04_Sj9CPykssy0xPLMnMz0vMAfIjo8ziLQJ8zAyNnA18DELdzA0cXQ2CDR1Dw4zdQ430wwkpiAJKG-AAjgZA_VFgJbhMMDKCKsBjRkFuhEGmo6IiAAkw3c0!/dz/d5/L2dBISEvZ0FBIS9nQSEh/

Our products are sold to 58 countries and 80% our 536 million euro turnover derived from export. Besides Hungary, we sell our products under the brand name Egis in 17 countries through our network of subsidiaries and representative offices.

What part of my post is delusional or factually untrue ?

[mdsflyby]

http://www.egis.hu/wps/portal/egisEN/cegunkrol/ceowelcome/!ut/p/z1/04_Sj9CPykssy0xPLMnMz0vMAfIjo8ziLQJ8zAyNnA18DELdzA0cXQ2CDR1Dw4zdQ430wwkpiAJKG-AAjgZA_VFgJbhMMDKCKsBjRkFuhEGmo6IiAAkw3c0!/dz/d5/L2dBISEvZ0FBIS9nQSEh/

Our products are sold to 58 countries and 80% our 536 million euro turnover derived from export. Besides Hungary, we sell our products under the brand name Egis in 17 countries through our network of subsidiaries and representative offices.

What part of my post is delusional or factually untrue ?

I don't know! Maybe the fact that you only want to see things in your own delusional ways? Please stop constantly making a fool of yourself, unless you derive some sort of masochistic pleasure from it

[Boshanks]

You're projecting. You have absolutely nothing of any value to say and you keep accusing me of the exact behaviour you're demonstrating.

[Boshanks]

Egis also produces this product in Czech Republic... Now tell me why would they want to export it to Czech Republic from Hungary, if they have production there?

Because they don't have production there.

Production of Pharmaceuticals

Production
Egis produces 4.5-5 billion tablets and capsules and 145-155 million boxes of drugs every year. Our excellent quality products are produced in our three Hungarian production sites and meet all the domestic and international quality assurance requirements. Active ingredients are produced at our headquarters in Budapest, while our injection, tablet and packaging plants and one of our warehouses operate at our other Budapest site. In our Körmend production site near the Austrian border tablets, ointments, suppositories, solutions, syrups and aerosols are made and packaged. Our first Greenfield investment was built as a joint investment with our majority shareholder Servier in Sofino, near Moscow.

So, who's moron here?

You

[mdsflyby]

Because they don't have production there

Well, this database states they do:
https://www.databaze-leku-sukl.cz/sukl-0203092--10-drm-spr-sol-1x38g-27357.html

Výrobce: EGIS Praha

Maybe they have only packaging facility there, who cares

My point was they have different packaging in Hungary and in Czech Republic! In different languages! Egis translates their packaging for each country. In Poland they have polish language on the packaging, in Russia they have russian language and in Czech Republic czech language... What is so difficult to understand?

[mdsflyby]

You have one-dimensional thinking my friend That's your problem!

[Boshanks]

My point was they have different packaging in Hungary and in Czech Republic! In different languages! Egis translates their packaging for each country. In Poland they have polish language on the packaging, in Russia they have russian language and in Czech Republic czech language... What is so difficult to understand?

No shit!

You have one-dimensional thinking my friend That's your problem!

When talking about something that's supported with evidence, it can only be viewed one way. You've brought absolutely nothing to this conversation that allows me to view the point of contention from a different perspective, so my stance is unchanged; Lidocaine has no place on a porn set.

[gapefan]

You're correct about the bottles origin. Egis is a pharmaceutical company based in Hungary, in fact it's the main manufacturer and exporter of Lidocaine in Europe, they sell their product to several different countries including the Czech Rebublic. What's your point ?

My point is, we all know about it

What's your point?

Again you mention speculating. I understand that you want to twist this in order to protect your own interests, but the words of this site's owner can not be misinterpreted no matter how hard you try. I asked the STUDIO to stop USING it ages ago, but I hear some models keep ASKING for it. In one sentence he not only confirms the studio is using it, but they must also be providing it if it's being asked for.

I understand you want to twist this, in order to protect your own interests

The words of the sites owner most certainly can be misinterpreted, just like any other statement taken out of context

You continue making assumptions, without any means of validation


I interpret his statement to mean, that the studio does not carry it any longer, and hasn't for quite some time. However, if a model requests it, the studio might provide direction on where she can acquire it


Where is your proof, that your interpretation is the correct one?

For years that fat asshole PW was spreading rumors about how DAP was being continuously achieved here, that information was being provided to him primarily by Markus Dupree. I assumed it was complete bullshit, but regrettably it's turned out to be true.

Even if LegalPorno did provide it at the models request, would that violate some law?

It's sold OTC

And finally, the angle everyone resorts to eventually, free will... Of course these women have the choice to do whatever the fuck they want, does that mean the company doesn't have a responsibility to advise them about the serious dangers of doing it, or better yet, to not allow it ?

Actually that's exactly what it means

The company has no legal responsibility to advise them against such things.

If someone were hurt on the job, without first signing a waiver, I suppose it might possibly leave LegalPorno open to some type of litigation, depending upon the circumstances.

However, legally the studio is not bound to advise against something that the model is participating in, at her own request, and of her own free will.

It's called assumed responsibility


I don't sign a waiver every time I go skiing. Never have.

Yet there are most certainly inherent risks involved.

If I ski outside my skill level, and crash into a tree, the ski hill is not liable for my injury.

It was my responsibility to understand the hazards involved, before putting myself in that situation.


And who's to say LegalPorno doesn't require models to sign a waiver?

And for that matter, who's to say they don't inform models about the potential hazards?

You certainly seem to think you know. Yet, as a matter of fact, you most certainly do not. That's what I call speculating


As I've said before, go ahead and continue making your assumptions, and spreading your anti-LegalPorno rhetoric

You're no better than the fat hairy Frenchman himself, tiny mouse sized penis and all

[Boshanks]

My point is, we all know about it

What's your point?

That it doesn't belong on a porn site, and you highlighting where it's come from has no bearing.

The words of the sites owner most certainly can be misinterpreted, just like any other statement taken out of context

How is it out of context when I've quoted his exact response when this subject was first discussed ?

I interpret his statement to mean, that the studio does not carry it any longer, and hasn't for quite some time. However, if a model requests it, the studio might provide direction on where she can acquire it

So in your interpretation, do you support a porn studio advising a model on where she can purchase anesthetic with the intention of bringing it to set ? And out of interest, how do you think said model was informed or introduced to a product that was not manufactured for this kind of use ?

Where is your proof, that your interpretation is the correct one?

Owner confirms the studio has used it, owner confirms the models still request it. And if his response was genuine about having asked the studio to stop using it ages ago, why was he not pissed off about his employees clearly disobeying a direct request, why did he immediately shift the focus on to the models and play down the significance of the product. Come to think of it, if it's just a harmless over the counter drug, why would he of instructed his studio to stop using it in the first place?

Even if LegalPorno did provide it at the models request, would that violate some law?

It's sold OTC

How it's purchased or whether it's legal is irrelevant, It's irresponsible to allow it to be used outside of its intended purposes. I know you don't give a shit as long as DAP's involved, but I don't want to waste money on material where the model is numb to the experience. I also don't want to support a website that's willing to risk the health of their performers for personal gain.

And finally, the angle everyone resorts to eventually, free will... Of course these women have the choice to do whatever the fuck they want, does that mean the company doesn't have a responsibility to advise them about the serious dangers of doing it, or better yet, to not allow it ?

Actually that's exactly what it means

The company has no legal responsibility to advise them against such things.

If someone were hurt on the job, without first signing a waiver, I suppose it might possibly leave LegalPorno open to some type of litigation, depending upon the circumstances.

However, legally the studio is not bound to advise against something that the model is participating in, at her own request, and of her own free will.

Who said anything about legal, what about a moral responsibility to not condone the misuse of anesthetic on set ?

I don't sign a waiver every time I go skiing. Never have.

Yet there are most certainly inherent risks involved.

If I ski outside my skill level, and crash into a tree, the ski hill is not liable for my injury.

It was my responsibility to understand the hazards involved, before putting myself in that situation.

Does your analogy work if the ski resort is paying you to ski on a more hazardous course, while actively allowing you to potentially increase your risk of injury while doing so ?

And who's to say LegalPorno doesn't require models to sign a waiver?

And for that matter, who's to say they don't inform models about the potential hazards?

You certainly seem to think you know. Yet, as a matter of fact, you most certainly do not. That's what I call speculating

If the boss would like to provide proof that this is the case, I'll drop it. Of course I'll tell him that I don't agree with what he's doing, but at least steps are being taken to ensure the welfare of both parties.

As I've said before, go ahead and continue making your assumptions, and spreading your anti-LegalPorno rhetoric

Yes you did say that before, I thanked you for your blessing then, and I'm thanking you again for it now, but I'll remind you, I'm not anti LP, I'm anti irresponsibility when it comes to achieving an end product.

I wonder if you would be as defensive if my issue didn't conflict with your interests.

You're no better than the fat hairy Frenchman himself, tiny mouse sized penis and all

When you attempt to get personal, Gapefan, I know I've got to you. Are you concerned that my concerns may shine a light on how this company is able to produce all your precious DAP ?

[Nerdperv]

Guys i am not militating against the site and the movies, i am militating for good quality products! The big issue apart from health hazards is that you can tell anesthetic was used only by watching the performance of the models...

[dap-addict]

The lidocain bottle was baught in Hungary where the girl in question worked on porn sets before travelling to Prague to work for LP. That's the core. Almost all porn girls know about lidocain anyway, some use it some dont. LP doesnt want it used as xxx stated clerely, but the studio cannot possibly check what girls apply to themselves in the bathroom or else bts.

Lidocain is used on all porn sets all over Europe from time to time. Also in PWs hotel rooms he uses to shoot - and as with his other attacks it's usually his own practices he detects only at his competitors, LP being the most hated.
Who spreads his lies acts against LP. As simple as that.

Btw, if you are a seasoned porn consumer and/or have been on porn sets you can usually tell wheter a girl is "on lidocain" when performing or not. A lot of them are for 21S for instance. Its obvious! Some are also for PW and also here on LP. But its nothing supported by the studio owner! And yes, Nerdperv, I think it's a consumer right to ask for anesthesic free performances! The more as quality is better of course, cause lidocain has also a bad effect on the studs wood.

[mdsflyby]

My point was they have different packaging in Hungary and in Czech Republic! In different languages! Egis translates their packaging for each country. In Poland they have polish language on the packaging, in Russia they have russian language and in Czech Republic czech language... What is so difficult to understand?

No shit!

Well yes, that's exactly what you've brought to this conversation: tons of shit!

You was trying to convince everyone that LP supply Lidocaine on the set! Now you theory doesn't work much, as it's clear that this bottle was brought from Hungary by one of the performers... But again you conveniently ignore this fact, because it doesn't quite work with your delusional views

Pierre Woodman have all the signs of Narcissistic personality disorder... So, as dap-addict rightly points, one of the traits is pathological lying and accusing others of one own practices...

[gapefan]

That it doesn't belong on a porn site, and you highlighting where it's come from has no bearing.

Sure it does. When a model who just left Hungary, comes to the set with a bottle of lidocaine from Hungary, it's quite clear where it came from, who brought it there, and who intends to use it of their own free will

How is it out of context when I've quoted his exact response when this subject was first discussed ?

Misquoting someone, and misinterpreting them (taking their words out of context), are two totally different things

I'll let you figure that one out on your own

Unless you need help?

So in your interpretation, do you support a porn studio advising a model on where she can purchase anesthetic with the intention of bringing it to set ? And out of interest, how do you think said model was informed or introduced to a product that was not manufactured for this kind of use ?

As dap-addict pointed out, almost all porn girls know about lidocaine.

It's common knowledge.

I support the models, and I support LegalPorno. What I don't support, is some third party telling them what they can and cannot do, within the confines of the law.

By the way, xxx never gave any kind of confirmation that the studio advises models on where to find it.

He simply stated he's heard some girls still ask for it.

My interpretation, was just that. One of many possible interpretations.

The only thing you can really extrapolate from his statement, without making some leaps (assumptions, speculations), is that models still ask for it.

Owner confirms the studio has used it, owner confirms the models still request it. And if his response was genuine about having asked the studio to stop using it ages ago, why was he not pissed off about his employees clearly disobeying a direct request, why did he immediately shift the focus on to the models and play down the significance of the product. Come to think of it, if it's just a harmless over the counter drug, why would he of instructed his studio to stop using it in the first place?

The studio did stop using it ages ago

What a model chooses to use prior to being on set is largely out of LegalPorno's control, whether they condone its use, or not.

Speaking of which, how come you aren't protesting the use of alcohol, or cocaine, or any other "body numbing" agent?

Only lidocaine is off-limits in your eyes?

How it's purchased or whether it's legal is irrelevant, It's irresponsible to allow it to be used outside of its intended purposes. I know you don't give a shit as long as DAP's involved, but I don't want to waste money on material where the model is numb to the experience. I also don't want to support a website that's willing to risk the health of their performers for personal gain.

So you also do not support car racing, mma fighting, rock climbing, and any other event where people risk themselves for the companies (along with their own) personal gain?

Who said anything about legal, what about a moral responsibility to not condone the misuse of anesthetic on set ?

So you came to argue morals on a porn forum?

Does your analogy work if the ski resort is paying you to ski on a more hazardous course, while actively allowing you to potentially increase your risk of injury while doing so ?

What the fuck do you think professional athletes do?

If the boss would like to provide proof that this is the case, I'll drop it. Of course I'll tell him that I don't agree with what he's doing, but at least steps are being taken to ensure the welfare of both parties.

Let's get one thing straight.

LegalPorno doesn't owe you shit.

I was simply pointing out how many leaps you've made, to come to your own conclusions

Yes you did say that before, I thanked you for your blessing then, and I'm thanking you again for it now, but I'll remind you, I'm not anti LP, I'm anti irresponsibility when it comes to achieving an end product.

I wonder if you would be as defensive if my issue didn't conflict with your interests.

I wonder if you would be as defensive if my issue didn't conflict with your interests?

So you're telling me you are in full support of DAP then?

https://www.legalporno.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=132041#p132041

When you attempt to get personal, Gapefan, I know I've got to you. Are you concerned that my concerns may shine a light on how this company is able to produce all your precious DAP ?

You didn't think I was referring to your penis when I said that, did you?

Why so defensive?

From time to time I've been known to throw a few digs, that's nothing new

[Boshanks]

Sure it does. When a model who just left Hungary, comes to the set with a bottle of lidocaine from Hungary, it's quite clear where it came from, who brought it there, and who intends to use it of their own free will

Just to be clear, you've repeatedly criticised and accused me of speculation, but you have no problem stating that Monica brought it with her without evidence?

Assuming she did, who told her to purchase it and bring it along with her is what I'm questioning.

Misquoting someone, and misinterpreting them (taking their words out of context), are two totally different things

I'll let you figure that one out on your own

Unless you need help?

In my opinion I've done neither.

As dap-addict pointed out, almost all porn girls know about lidocaine.

It's common knowledge.

Well shit, if dap-addict pointed it out it must be true, I mean, what reason would he have to lie ? (Rhetorical, but feel free to answer, you have my blessing)

I support the models, and I support LegalPorno. What I don't support, is some third party telling them what they can and cannot do, within the confines of the law.

It's not law to get std tested, if they chose not to, would you support a third party telling them what to do regarding that ?

By the way, xxx never gave any kind of confirmation that the studio advises models on where to find it.

He simply stated he's heard some girls still ask for it.

My interpretation, was just that. One of many possible interpretations.

The only thing you can really extrapolate from his statement, without making some leaps (assumptions, speculations), is that models still ask for it.

Correct, they're asking LP for it, they're not asking themselves.

The studio did stop using it ages ago

Let me guess, dap-addict told you

What a model chooses to use prior to being on set is largely out of LegalPorno's control, whether they condone its use, or not.

Speaking of which, how come you aren't protesting the use of alcohol, or cocaine, or any other "body numbing" agent?

Only lidocaine is off-limits in your eyes?

Show me a picture with alcohol and lines of coke on the medicine table of a porn set, where the owner replies and says: I asked the studio to stop using it ages ago but some girls still ask for it, and I'll be happy to protest.

You also didn't answer my question. If if it's just a harmless over the counter drug (his words) why would he of instructed his studio to stop using it in the first place?

So you also do not support car racing, mma fighting, rock climbing, and any other event where people risk themselves for the companies (along with their own) personal gain?

Not if drug use is involved to achieve what they otherwise cannot.

So you came to argue morals on a porn forum?

Are standards of behaviour on a porn set not up for debate here ?

What the fuck do you think professional athletes do?

Are we regarding the models here as professional athletes now ?

LegalPorno doesn't owe you shit.

In a literal sense, no, but as a paying customer I would like to know what I'm supporting. If a big part of my porn enjoyment is the woman's reactions, I want to know whether that's being obstructed with numbing drugs before I waste my time and money on it.

I wonder if you would be as defensive if my issue didn't conflict with your interests?

So you're telling me you are in full support of DAP then?

In full support, no, I've made that quite clear multiple times. In your link I said this

I enjoy DAP when it's performed by women who excel at it, and there have been very few when it comes to the plethora of models that have appeared here. What I don't enjoy is how I know this content is being continually achieved. How at least 85% of it is inferior to straight balls deep hardcore anal and is just tip fucking with no intensity, just multiple dudes rubbing their bell ends together in the first few inches of a womans arse. But worst of all, how it's now being given precedence over model selection.

Of course you could have quoted what I'd already said in this topic as well

As I've made clear many times, I'm a fan of anal sex, and I enjoy DAP when it's performed by women who clearly excel at it. What I can't fucking stand is its inclusion for inclusions sake, when it's performed badly with barely any penetration and no intensity, and when the pace of a scene is brought to a halt so that we can watch a model struggle to accommodate two guys who are just "rubbing their dicks together" in the first few inches of her arse. That to me is shit porn, some girls are clearly not ready to perform it and how they are is suspect as well.

Both of them quite clearly demonstrate my views on the subject, I'm not defensive about my point of view at all.

You didn't think I was referring to your penis when I said that, did you?

Why so defensive?

From time to time I've been known to throw a few digs, that's nothing new

Yes, and it hurt my feelings

Like I said, when you do resort to digs, I know I've got to you.

[gapefan]

Just to be clear, you've repeatedly criticised and accused me of speculation, but you have no problem stating that Monica brought it with her without evidence?

Assuming she did, who told her to purchase it and bring it along with her is what I'm questioning.

Look at that!

I'm glad to see you are finally learning the difference between facts and speculation

Assuming she did, you'd like me to speculate about who told her to purchase it and bring it along with her?

You really enjoy speculating don't you?

Maybe nobody told her, and she brought it by herself! Did you think of that?

How's that for speculation?

In my opinion I've done neither.

Ha! Nevermind

I take it back, you still don't know the difference between the two

Well shit, if dap-addict pointed it out it must be true, I mean, what reason would he have to lie ? (Rhetorical, but feel free to answer, you have my blessing)

Who knows?

Feel free to speculate all you want

It's not law to get std tested, if they chose not to, would you support a third party telling them what to do regarding that ?

No, I wouldn't support the third party

If LegalPorno and it's models decided not to perform STD testing, I would have no problem with that

As you said, it isn't required by law, so what business is it of mine?

They're all fully grown adults, perfectly capable of making those decisions for themselves

Correct, they're asking LP for it, they're not asking themselves.

Why would anyone ask themselves a question?

Seems odd...

Are you sure you're okay?

Let me guess, dap-addict told you

No actually, xxx did. Ages ago

He told you too, if you'd pay attention

Show me a picture with alcohol and lines of coke on the medicine table of a porn set, where the owner replies and says: I asked the studio to stop using it ages ago but some girls still ask for it, and I'll be happy to protest.

You're right, I haven't seen any illegal drug use....

So for equal comparisons sake, let's just say alcohol

You mean to tell me you haven't seen any pictures of LegalPorno models/performers imbibing alcohol?

I have!

Look a little harder, you'll find some

Or, to save yourself some time you can simply take me at my word, and begin protesting immediately

You also didn't answer my question. If if it's just a harmless over the counter drug (his words) why would he of instructed his studio to stop using it in the first place?

Who knows?

I can only speculate

Or... maybe you should

You seem to have a better imagination than me

Not if drug use is involved to achieve what they otherwise cannot.

Even OTC drug use?

So, if Dale Earnhardt takes a few extra ibuprofen before the big race, to help with that bugger of a headache he's been trying to kick all day (which very well may distract him from the win) you wouldn't support him?

Or what if Tom Brady rubs a few extra applications of Bengay on the shoulder of his throwing arm, enabling him to finish the game, before winning the Superbowl? You think the NFL should take the Vince Lombardi trophy away from him?

Are standards of behaviour on a porn set not up for debate here?

You're welcome to debate whatever you would like here

Just don't be surprised if not everyone agrees with you

Are we regarding the models here as professional athletes now ?

Certainly! Why not?

The modeling agencies are professional teams

The sex toy/product manufacturers are sponsors

And they compete for the top spot on LegalPorno's model page, along with the money of course

In a literal sense, no, but as a paying customer I would like to know what I'm supporting. If a big part of my porn enjoyment is the woman's reactions, I want to know whether that's being obstructed with numbing drugs before I waste my time and money on it.

Guess what?

It doesn't matter if you "would like to know what you're supporting"

LegalPorno doesn't owe you anything other than some tickets and videos, if you so choose to purchase them

If you consider their material to be a waste of time and money? For God's sake! Stop buying tickets!

Simple as that

In full support, no, I've made that quite clear multiple times... Both of them quite clearly demonstrate my views on the subject, I'm not defensive about my point of view at all.

I'm not defensive about my point of view either

I'll gladly share it with you anytime you'd like

Yes, and it hurt my feelings

Like I said, when you do resort to digs, I know I've got to you.

Ha! Clearly you don't know me very well

You don't have shit!

All you have is a picture that one model posted on Twitter, and a few short statements from xxx

But feel free to continue speculating and making all the assumptions you'd like about them

Maybe your friend Pierre can help you with your conspiracy theory?

[Boshanks]

Reading your replies was like listening to a child repeatedly say: I know you are, but what am I ?

The only response of any worth was

If LegalPorno and it's models decided not to perform STD testing, I would have no problem with that

You needn't have wrote the rest because this summarises your position perfectly. As long as you keep getting what you want, you don't give a shit about the welfare of others.

Thanks for stopping by.

[mdsflyby]

If LegalPorno and it's models decided not to perform STD testing, I would have no problem with that

You needn't have wrote the rest because this summarises your position perfectly. As long as you keep getting what you want, you don't give a shit about the welfare of others.

That's a perfect example of one-dimentional thinking! No, my dear delusional friend, you missed the main point once again, what gapefan was saying is that they're grown adults, capable of making adult decisions for themselves! And surely they don't need your advice on how to live their lives

[mdsflyby]

Maybe your friend Pierre can help you with your conspiracy theory?

touché

[gapefan]

Reading your replies was like listening to a child repeatedly say: I know you are, but what am I ?

The only response of any worth was

If LegalPorno and it's models decided not to perform STD testing, I would have no problem with that

You needn't have wrote the rest because this summarises your position perfectly. As long as you keep getting what you want, you don't give a shit about the welfare of others.

Thanks for stopping by.

Isn't LegalPorno and its models made up of fully grown adults perfectly capable of making those decisions for themselves, and looking out for their own welfare?

Why should it be up to some third party to decide what is best for them?

[Nerdperv]

Mate, that thing with the STDs is just a stupid thing to say. A sane person would not argue about something like this, sorry mate!

[Nerdperv]

Maybe your friend Pierre can help you with your conspiracy theory?

touché

Mate, you have no logical opinions but you keep coming here just to troll us i guess! This is my last message that includes a refference to your sorry ass lame person....
Talking to you gets me the impression i start throwing shit back at a monkey at a zoo...

[gapefan]

Mate, that thing with the STDs is just a stupid thing to say. A sane person would not argue about something like this, sorry mate!

A sane person would realize that each individuals (or in this case group of individuals) welfare is best left up to themselves to decide

Not some third party

[Boshanks]

Isn't LegalPorno and its models made up of fully grown adults perfectly capable of making those decisions for themselves, and looking out for their own welfare?

Why should it be up to some third party to decide what is best for them?

Do you believe all people once they've reached adulthood are capable of making smart decisions, that they no longer require anyone around them to show concern, look out for them, or offer advice ?

If the world was full of adults who were perfectly capable of looking out for themselves there wouldn't be so many of us who are complete fuck ups.

I'm not deciding what's best for these models, If I was doing that I'd be advising them to get an education and find a vocation that's going to support them for the rest of their life.

I'm highlighting what's absolutely not a good idea, one which shouldn't be made easier by those around them. I'm expressing my concern and disapproval to LP about something that's incredibly dangerous, and no matter how many times you mention the word "adults," I maintain my opinion that it doesn't belong on a responsible porn set.

A hypothetical for you: A brand new 18yr old in the biz has just arrived in a new country, she's not very bright, quite naive and easily influenced. She wants to make some quick money but she's struggling a bit with the demands of the industry. Some fucking idiot advises her to try anesthetic, convinces her that there's no potential side effects and it will help her out on set, so she trusts them and brings some along. During the scene there's an unfortunate event, unable to sense any warning signs or pain, she's suffered a rather serious external tear accompanied by some heavy bleeding.

Now, if when she arrived that morning with her anesthetic the responsible company had said, sorry, we don't allow that on set because If you're numb to what you're doing here today you could potentially really injure yourself, then perhaps this girl wouldn't be making a trip to the emergency room after work.

Instead, the set was full of people like you, who took the stance, you're an adult, you should be able to think and look after yourself, washing their hands of any responsibility.

I know which scenario I would rather that woman walked in to. (And don't reply with the second one )

[gapefan]

Do you believe all people once they've reached adulthood are capable of making smart decisions, that they no longer require anyone around them to show concern, look out for them, or offer advice ?

Every single performer in the adult film industry is perfectly capable of making their own decisions in regard to their own personal well being

Would you care to point out some specific examples of those whom you believe are incapable of making their own decisions?

If the world was full of adults who were perfectly capable of looking out for themselves there wouldn't be so many of us who are complete fuck ups.

How many adult film models do you know of, who don't understand how much they can realistically fit inside of their own ass?

Again, I'd like to hear some specific examples from you, of those whom you believe don't understand this, and are incapable of deciding for themselves, without your assistance

I'm not deciding what's best for these models, If I was doing that I'd be advising them to get an education and find a vocation that's going to support them for the rest of their life.

No, you certainly aren't making those decisions for them

Because you aren't their keeper

I'm highlighting what's absolutely not a good idea, one which shouldn't be made easier by those around them. I'm expressing my concern and disapproval to LP about something that's incredibly dangerous, and no matter how many times you mention the word "adults," I maintain my opinion that it doesn't belong on a responsible porn set.

What you believe, and your opinion, are irrelevant

It isn't up to you, and never will be

It's up to LegalPorno, and the performers themselves to decide

A hypothetical for you: A brand new 18yr old in the biz has just arrived in a new country, she's not very bright, quite naive and easily influenced. She wants to make some quick money but she's struggling a bit with the demands of the industry. Some fucking idiot advises her to try anesthetic, convinces her that there's no potential side effects and it will help her out on set, so she trusts them and brings some along. During the scene there's an unfortunate event, unable to sense any warning signs or pain, she's suffered a rather serious external tear accompanied by some heavy bleeding.

Now, if when she arrived that morning with her anesthetic the responsible company had said, sorry, we don't allow that on set because If you're numb to what you're doing here today you could potentially really injure yourself, then perhaps this girl wouldn't be making a trip to the emergency room after work.

More speculation?

You really like to hypothesize and speculate don't you

Once again, please provide me some specific examples of those whom you believe are incapable of understanding the limitations of their own body

Not to mention, I'd like to hear which one of LegalPorno's male performers you believe is incapable of knowing when to stop

Instead, the set was full of people like you, who took the stance, you're an adult, you should be able to think and look after yourself, washing their hands of any responsibility.

Let me guess

You think I too am incapable of making those decisions for myself

How many people do you think are incapable of making their own decisions?

Or perhaps the easier question might be, how many people are capable of deciding what's best for them, without your assistance?

I know which scenario I would rather that woman walked in to. (And don't reply with the second one )

Luckily for that hypothetical woman, your scenario is hypothetical

[mdsflyby]

Talking to you gets me the impression i start throwing shit back at a monkey at a zoo...

You don't say! The feeling is mutual mate

Btw, do you enjoy the show you started here? Maybe you need some popcorn with that?

Boshanks, being a good soldier of your army is doing all the work for you

[Boshanks]

Btw, do you enjoy the show you started here? Maybe you need some popcorn with that?

Boshanks, being a good soldier of your army is doing all the work for you

He didn't start any show here, I gave an answer to something he questioned. I don't need anyone's support in defending or putting across my own argument.

Every single performer in the adult film industry is perfectly capable of making their own decisions in regard to their own personal well being :cool

Would you care to point out some specific examples of those whom you believe are incapable of making their own decisions?

Yes, any who think it's a good idea to use anesthetic to perform anal.

I would also be happy to continue pointing out what I have been from the start, that allowing this decision to be carried out on set is reckless and irresponsible.

We can go around this roundabout for as long as you like

How many adult film models do you know of, who don't understand how much they can realistically fit inside of their own ass?

Well that depends, If you can't feel something how do you know where to draw the line ?

No, you certainly aren't making those decisions for them

I stated I wasn't. Thank you for pointing out the obvious.

What you believe, and your opinion, are irrelevant

It isn't up to you, and never will be

It's up to LegalPorno, and the performers themselves to decide

I don't believe my opinion on this is irrelevant. The decision on whether or not it should be used isn't up to me, but I'm free to share my views and express my concern about it.

You've told me several times to carry on with my "rhetoric" as you put it, yet you continue to waste your time replying to me.

Once again, please provide me some specific examples of those whom you believe are incapable of understanding the limitations of their own body

Where should I start with this one. If we stick specifically to porn, then the industry is littered with performers who over the years have needed medical assistance to repair tears and injuries, does that not demonstrate a lack of understanding for ones own limitations ? Why don't you ask Timea why she needed to take a trip to hospital after one of her LP exploits.

Unfortunately, this is par for the course, I'm just pointing out that some people don't know their limits until they pass them, and if you're doped up on anesthetic you may not realise you've passed them at all.

Not to mention, I'd like to hear which one of LegalPorno's male performers you believe is incapable of knowing when to stop

Have you ever watched a scene where after the males pulled out you can clearly see blood or bleeding ? You'll probably say no, but that's okay, I can provide you with some examples if you want. One such incident was in the last Rebecca Black scene for Giorgio. After pulling out during a reverse cowgirl DAP, one of the males cocks was covered in blood, Giorgio quickly tries to pan the camera away but she's obviously bleeding from somewhere internally. You'd think this might signal a good time to stop for the day, but nope, it continues on, and he even fisted her anally after this for good measure.

Now maybe they told her she was bleeding and she didn't care, or maybe they didn't, who knows, the point is, some people don't know when to stop until they're told to.

For clarification, do I think anyone at LP wouldn't stop if they were asked to? no I do not.

You think I too am incapable of making those decisions for myself

I think not unlike myself you're capable of making stupid decisions, your post stating you would be cool supporting Legalporno and it's models if they opted out of std testing demonstrated that.

[gapefan]

Yes, any who think it's a good idea to use anesthetic to perform anal.

I would also be happy to continue pointing out what I have been from the start, that allowing this decision to be carried out on set is reckless and irresponsible.

We can go around this roundabout for as long as you'd like

Just because these models made a decision that doesn't fall in line with your personal opinion, does not mean they aren't perfectly capable of deciding otherwise

Are you really telling me you believe they are incapable of choosing not to?

And yes, we certainly can go around this roundabout for as long as you'd like

Well that depends, If you can't feel something how do you know where to draw the line ?

Every single model knows what stuffing large objects into their own ass has the potential to do, anesthetic or not.

Just because the scene title says "First Anal", does not mean it's actually their first anal

And even if it was? Do you really believe they would have no clue of what might happen?


Each model in the adult film industry knows their own body, better than you do

And at the end of the day, it's their own decision to make, regardless

Not yours


I choose to go skiing, even though I know I might crash into a tree and be killed at any moment

And so do the pros, who get paid to put themselves at risk, remember?

How come the person at the ticket booth doesn't have to remind us of this everytime we purchase a ski pass!?..

..Or better yet, forbid us from purchasing one to begin with!?

I stated I wasn't. Thank you for pointing out the obvious.

You aren't. But you'd certainly like to

You've made that abundantly clear

I don't believe my opinion on this is irrelevant. The decision on whether or not it should be used isn't up to me, but I'm free to share my views and express my concern about it.

You've told me several times to carry on with my "rhetoric" as you put it, yet you continue to waste your time replying to me.

You certainly are free to express your views and concerns

Even if though they are irrelevant

Just like I am free to continue wasting my time replying to you

Where should I start with this one. If we stick specifically to porn, then the industry is littered with performers who over the years have needed medical assistance to repair tears and injuries, does that not demonstrate a lack of understanding for ones own limitations ? Why don't you ask Timea why she needed to take a trip to hospital after one of her LP exploits.

Unfortunately, this is par for the course, I'm just pointing out that some people don't know their limits until they pass them, and if you're doped up on anesthetic you may not realise you've passed them at all.

I'm sure each of them understand their own limitations just fine

They simply chose to push them

I'm glad you brought up Timea, she's a perfect example

She decided to push her own limits.

And yet, after experiencing the potential consequences first hand, she returned, and continued shooting Double Anal

You see, we all have this God given right called free will, which enables us to make decisions for ourselves, rather than having them forced upon us by some third party

Have you ever watched a scene where after the males pulled out you can clearly see blood or bleeding ? You'll probably say no, but that's okay, I can provide you with some examples if you want. One such incident was in the last Rebecca Black scene for Giorgio. After pulling out during a reverse cowgirl DAP, one of the males cocks was covered in blood, Giorgio quickly tries to pan the camera away but she's obviously bleeding from somewhere internally. You'd think this might signal a good time to stop for the day, but nope, it continues on, and he even fisted her anally after this for good measure.

Now maybe they told her she was bleeding and she didn't care, or maybe they didn't, who knows, the point is, some people don't know when to stop until they're told to.

For clarification, do I think anyone at LP wouldn't stop if they were asked to? no I do not.

Well I'm glad to hear you have at least some sense


Of course I've seen blood in anal scenes

Who hasn't?

It's unusual not to have some blood when performing anal sex

Mucous in the internal part of the anus are very easy to scratch, especially with nails.
It is very normal to have blood during anal fisting, and it looks more dramatic then what it is.

I think not unlike myself you're capable of making stupid decisions, your post stating you would be cool supporting Legalporno and it's models if they opted out of std testing demonstrated that.

The choice is theirs to make

Who would affected by it, other than themselves?

You see, the difference between you and I is, I respect others personal decisions to be theirs, and theirs alone. Unlike you, who believes those decisions should be made by someone else

What happens between consenting adults should be left up to, and decided by, consenting adults

[Boshanks]

Just because these models made a decision that doesn't fall in line with your personal opinion, does not mean they aren't perfectly capable of deciding otherwise

Are you really telling me you believe they are incapable of choosing not to?

My response in the last post was a joke, hence the emoji. I haven't said they're incapable of anything. I'm not sure why you keep repeating the same thing, it's an incredibly stupid question.

Every single model knows what stuffing large objects into their own ass has the potential to do, anesthetic or not.

Again, I haven't said they don't. You're answering points that nobody's putting forward.

How come the person at the ticket booth doesn't have to remind us of this everytime we purchase a ski pass!?..

..Or better yet, forbid us from purchasing one to begin with!?

Because it would harm business, see the correlation

I'm sure each of them understand their own limitations just fine

No they didn't, that's why they ended up in the hospital.

It's unusual not to have some blood when performing anal sex

Really ? I've seen more blood on here then I have in twenty years of watching other anal porn productions, from Jean-Yves Le Castel, Rocco, Raul Cristian, Frank Major, Lex Drill, and sites like Assholefever and Asstraffic, none of them contain what I've seen in Giorgio's content alone. Speaking of which

Mucous in the internal part of the anus are very easy to scratch, especially with nails.
It is very normal to have blood during anal fisting, and it looks more dramatic then what it is.

It was nice of him to provide his professional medical opinion on the matter

The choice is theirs to make

Who would affected by it, other than themselves?

Like I said several posts back, you don't give a shit about the welfare of others unless it has a direct impact on you.

You see, the difference between you and I is, I respect others personal decisions to be theirs, and theirs alone. Unlike you, who believes those decisions should be made by someone else

I believe that rules should be in place to protect the health of others when they're prepared to do stupid shit. In this instance, that LP doesn't allow models to misuse drugs on set which inhibit pain receptors and potentially increase their risk of injury.

There is also an argument to be made about the nature of what's being sold to us. What's the attraction for you in porn where the model involved is numb to what she's experiencing ?

[gapefan]

Because it would harm business, see the correlation

OMG! You're right! I do see the hypothetical correlation

So then, how come you aren't lobbying to enact a law in which every single ski resort has to turn its customers away, to protect them from themselves?

You obviously don't give a shit about the welfare of others

No they didn't, that's why they ended up in the hospital.

They knew they were pushing their limitations, and they were willing to take the risk

Really ? I've seen more blood on here then I have in twenty years of watching other anal porn productions, from Jean-Yves Le Castel, Rocco, Raul Cristian, Frank Major, Lex Drill, and sites like Assholefever and Asstraffic, none of them contain what I've seen in Giorgio's content alone. Speaking of which

Mucous in the internal part of the anus are very easy to scratch, especially with nails.
It is very normal to have blood during anal fisting, and it looks more dramatic then what it is.

It was nice of him to provide his professional medical opinion on the matter

I was talking about reality

Not just what you see in the movies

Just because Jean-Yves Le Castel, Rocco, Raul Cristian, Frank Major, Lex Drill, and sites like Assholefever and Asstraffic have done a fine job of cutting and editing, does not mean it didn't/doesn't happen


However, I suppose when smaller objects are used, the likelihood decreases considerably

Like your friend Pierre for instance


Btw, Giorgio doesn't need to be a doctor to understand this

Everyone knows that's why the likelihood of HIV transmission is much greater during anal sex, because of the blood transfer

Like I said several posts back, you don't give a shit about the welfare of others unless it has a direct impact on you.

I most certainly do give a shit about the welfare of others

I give a shit about them so much, I'm willing to leave these important personal decisions in their capable hands, rather than some third party's

Not to mention, your scenario is only hypothetical


But, who knows? Maybe in your imaginary situation, LegalPorno and it's performers have a very good reason for doing away with it...

What that reason might be? I can only speculate

I believe that rules should be in place to protect the health of others when they're prepared to do stupid shit. In this instance, that LP doesn't allow models to misuse drugs on set which inhibit pain receptors and potentially increase their risk of injury.

Yes, let's just wrap the world in bubble wrap, and put mandatory helmets on everyone

And while you're at it, let's outlaw:

• car racing
• skiing/snowboarding
• mma fighting
• skydiving
• rock climbing
• etc.

And don't forget to make laws against:

• tobacco consumption
• alcohol consumption
• eating large portions of red meat
• living a sedentary lifestyle
• etc.

And how come someone didn't stop:

• Harry Houdini from performing dangerous stunts
• Evel Knievel from jumping over things
• Neil Armstrong from landing on the moon
• etc.

The list could go on forever

There is also an argument to be made about the nature of what's being sold to us. What's the attraction for you in porn where the model involved is numb to what she's experiencing ?

I am attracted to porn where the models are free to make their own personal decisions, regarding their own welfare

Nothing more, nothing less

[drevokocur66]

LOL maybe that is the reason for decline of ATM models have their mouths go numb!

[Boshanks]

Gapefan, you seem to be incredibly confused with the difference between an activity, and the misuse of a substance while performing an activity, which is the crux of my point. Asking me questions about outlawing sports, foods or any other drivel, has nothing to do with my argument here. If I was suggesting women shouldn't get in to porn for health reasons, all of your nonsense would have a place in this discussion. You're constantly attempting to divert attention from the topic by throwing up varying comparisons, of which none are comparable to my point.

They knew they were pushing their limitations, and they were willing to take the risk

Once again, how do you know you're pushing your limits when your body is unable to send you signals warning you ?

I was talking about reality

Oh I see, well in that case, I've only had one experience of bleeding in my personal life, and we had to stop because it was stinging her like crazy. I have no other occurence for comparison, but most cuts and bleeding bring about some sort of discomfort. If only there was some way to block the pain and carry on, potentially making the cut far worse.

Yes, let's just wrap the world in bubble wrap, and put mandatory helmets on everyone

Don't be melodramatic

And while you're at it, let's outlaw:

I'm not even going to bother quoting the rest because it's all off topic. I will state this again so there is no confusion: Your points have nothing to do with my issue, I'm not trying to get porn outlawed, I'm drawing attention to something completely unrelated and dangerous being done while performing it.

Almost all of the activities you've listed have rules and regulations in place to protect the welfare of those taking part, and you know what, before a lot of them were enforced it probably began with a person or persons, raising a concern for consideration, which lead to a conversation discussing ways to improve and protect their welfare.

I am attracted to porn where the models are free to make their own personal decisions, regarding their own welfare

Nothing more, nothing less

Are you suggesting you're sexual attracted to an adult making a decision ? That's a new one on me but we're all different

You didn't answer my question though. What is enjoyable for you about a woman who is numb to what she's experiencing ?

LOL maybe that is the reason for decline of ATM models have their mouths go numb!

Maybe, maybe it's the reason for the increase in terrible editing, abrupt cuts, and the sudden lack of capturing DAP initiation as well. They have to stop filming to wheel the medicine cart in

[gapefan]

Gapefan, you seem to be incredibly confused with the difference between an activity, and the misuse of a substance while performing an activity, which is the crux of my point. Asking me questions about outlawing sports, foods or any other drivel, has nothing to do with my argument here. If I was suggesting women shouldn't get in to porn for health reasons, all of your nonsense would have a place in this discussion. You're constantly attempting to divert attention from the topic by throwing up varying comparisons, of which none are comparable to my point.

I thought the real concern was people getting injured!

Silly me

So you're really only concerned about what OTC drugs they might be using, when they do it?

But what about all those other people you brought up, that went to the hospital?

If we stick specifically to porn, then the industry is littered with performers who over the years have needed medical assistance to repair tears and injuries, does that not demonstrate a lack of understanding for ones own limitations ?

Your lack of concern for their injuries, clearly shows you don't actually give a shit about the welfare of others

It also shows your agenda

You don't actually care about the performers

You only care about controlling what OTC drugs they might use

That's ridiculous!

Once again, how do you know you're pushing your limits when your body is unable to send you signals warning you ?

According to you these people don't know their own limitations, regardless

In which case, it doesn't matter if their body is unable to send signals warning them or not

Oh I see, well in that case, I've only had one experience of bleeding in my personal life, and we had to stop because it was stinging her like crazy. I have no other occurence for comparison

As I mentioned earlier, I suppose when smaller objects are used, the likelihood decreases considerably

But seriously, tiny tears take place more often than not

Just because you can't see or feel them, doesn't mean they aren't there

but most cuts and bleeding bring about some sort of discomfort. If only there was some way to block the pain and carry on, potentially making the cut far worse.

That's up to you and your mate to decide

You're fully grown adults, so I'm happy to leave that decision in your capable hands

Don't be melodramatic

My response in the last post was a joke, hence the emoji.

I'm not even going to bother quoting the rest because it's all off topic. I will state this again so there is no confusion: Your points have nothing to do with my issue, I'm not trying to get porn outlawed, I'm drawing attention to something completely unrelated and dangerous being done while performing it.

So you aren't concerned about the resulting injury itself, you're only concerned about the danger preceding it?

That seems awfully silly

Almost all of the activities you've listed have rules and regulations in place to protect the welfare of those taking part, and you know what, before a lot of them were enforced it probably began with a person or persons, raising a concern for consideration, which lead to a conversation discussing ways to improve and protect their welfare.

The porn industry has rules and regulations too

What you are putting forward, isn't one of them

Besides, according to you, regardless of whether people are numb to the experience or not, they have no idea what their threshold is

So who is it going to protect?

And what does it matter to you anyway?

You aren't concerned about the injury

You're only concerned about what OTC drugs they may have used when they did it!

Are you suggesting you're sexual attracted to an adult making a decision ? That's a new one on me but we're all different

No, I'm saying that I'm not sexually attracted to porn where the models are not free to make their own personal decisions

I like my women ready and willing

But that may not be your thing

You didn't answer my question though. What is enjoyable for you about a woman who is numb to what she's experiencing ?

I appreciate the fact that she is able to numb herself to the experience if she chooses to, as a matter of personal choice

By and large, these women are putting on a performance, numb or not

It that's how they prefer to do it, who am I to stand in their way?

[Boshanks]

Every response again is like the reply of a petulant child. I've expressed my concerns multiple times, in multiple posts, about the associated risks of anesthetic use, but because I don't repeat myself for the umpteenth time with the specific word "injury" in one post, you reply with a ton of bullshit. What you've wrote there is a truly pathetic attempt to change my argument.

You quote my post about performers who've been to hospital, which was a direct reply to you asking me to provide examples of models not knowing their limitations.

You then attempt to state that I've at any point said these girls don't know their limits, when in fact I said, if you're numb on drugs how do you know you've reached them.

And the rest is the same garbage, attempt after attempt to manipulate and change my concerns to your own interpretation.

I expected better opposition from you if I'm honest, resulting to immature responses seems to be the level at which you're able to discuss something.

[temp.ftnstudent]

Regarding ass numbing and anestetics used in porn, I am strongly against them. Girls in GG scenes can take 3 dicks in the ass with no reaction. They suck dicks while fist and dicks are in they ass like there is nothing going on.

We need more reactions while fucked like brittany etc. It looks lime girls are forced to take fists in their asses while numbed and they are waiting guys to cum so they can grab their money and go home.

Not hot at all!!!

[gapefan]

Every response again is like the reply of a petulant child. I've expressed my concerns multiple times, in multiple posts, about the associated risks of anesthetic use, but because I don't repeat myself for the umpteenth time with the specific word "injury" in one post, you reply with a ton of bullshit. What you've wrote there is a truly pathetic attempt to change my argument.

You quote my post about performers who've been to hospital, which was a direct reply to you asking me to provide examples of models not knowing their limitations.

You then attempt to state that I've at any point said these girls don't know their limits, when in fact I said, if you're numb on drugs how do you know you've reached them.

And the rest is the same garbage, attempt after attempt to manipulate and change my concerns to your own interpretation.

I expected better opposition from you if I'm honest, resulting to immature responses seems to be the level at which you're able to discuss something.

You can't claim to be concerned about people's injuries, and then claim that the only time it matters is if they were using drugs

You also can't claim that even without drug use, people don't know their own limitations. And then turn around and say that the reasoning for not using drugs, is so they know their limitations

Sorry man, it just doesn't work like that

It's not my fault you're stumbling all over your own arguments


I stand by mine

People are perfecty capable of making these decisions themselves


Nobody asked for your help

Do you know why?

Because they don't need it!

They're already in full control of the situation themselves