So which is the real reason of LP/AV is dying?

[xxxVIPERxxx]

It's funny you should mention Kristy Black, since she's probably the most notorious example of the new porn landscape - one of the most popular performers at LP, who mostly abandoned the site in order to focus predominantly on OF, and the occasional vanilla shoot.

Well, I didn't know that so cheers for the info.

I'm not sure that invalidates my point, because Kristy has performed extreme anal for a number of years now.

Yes, and now she doesn't have to unless she wants to and someone is willing to pay her fee, which hasn't been the case at LP for a while now which is why we don't see her anymore.

Yes, it is a combination of not being able to agree on a fee, scheduling issues that mutually benefit both parties, and perhaps Kristy Black is just not that interested anymore in hardcore porn on here. Some girls prefer doing glamour shoots, and/or softcore porn...if that is the case, it is their choice.

[TheVulture]

Yes, and now she doesn't have to unless she wants to and someone is willing to pay her fee, which hasn't been the case at LP for a while now which is why we don't see her anymore.

You're missing the point though, which is that no-one performs extreme anal porn forever. You're assuming she no longer does it because no-one will pay her enough but we don't know that. Perhaps she is on a natural wind down and OF is thus a nice gentle way for her to slowly retire from porn.

Kristy's situation is interesting and useful as an analysis point but we need to know the thoughts of younger girls than her (potentially) at the beginning of their porn careers to fully understand which way the wind is blowing here.

[jjwhite1985]

That's isn't the point. The point is she no longer does it because she makes boat loads of cash on OF and doesn't need to settle for a lower fee. This phenomenon has had a huge impact across the entire industry - the US porn scene, the Euro scene, all of it. And not just the hardcore sites like LP. I mean, you don't even need to take it from me, Giorgio's comment near the beginning of the thread said it all:

We don’t have new models, the reason is that on OF a big slice of dudes pay 20$ for a 15 minutes video of a girls alone without anal and 50-100$/minute for a custom video. This bring every model with a bit of brain to make several thousand dollars/month without to struggle. Good models to make dozen of thousand/month.
You don’t understand the scale of this.

On the other side YOU DO NOT pay 40$ for a dap with pee or 30 for a dp, so a producer here cant offer 6000$ to a model for a dap pee and 4000 for a dp, but just a normal payout that is not interesting if you already have a good regular income

Your mistake is thinking that porn is more than a job.

[fister2]

Giorgio is exactly on the point with this issue. As many times already mentioned here, why would any girl perform DAP or even TAP as it's difficult and painful, or degrading acts as piss drinking and/or vomiting when they can have better money with less effort?

[TheVulture]

Your mistake is thinking that porn is more than a job.

Have you ever seen a scene with Anna de Ville/Kristy Black/Silvia Soprano/Rebecca Sharon etc. etc.?

Very obviously it is more than a job for a lot of girls.

None of them would do it without being paid well but that's mainly because of the stigma that comes with the exposure. I guarantee you that many girls would do it for free if they categorically knew it wasn't being recorded and no-one would ever know.

Your mistake is equating the pay aspect of porn with the uniform concept of labour exchange.

[TheVulture]

Giorgio is exactly on the point with this issue. As many times already mentioned here, why would any girl perform DAP or even TAP as it's difficult and painful, or degrading acts as piss drinking and/or vomiting when they can have better money with less effort?

Well, we're getting somewhere now because you're admitting that the sex acts you want to see are degrading.

Are you sure that DAP and TAP are uniformly painful or is it that part of your fantasy? Obviously, they can be and a lot of girls wouldn't ever dare try them. But they can also be amazing and painless when done correctly, I'm pretty confident.

It's like saying "No-one would go on the world's highest and fastest rollercoaster because it's too scary".

[jjwhite1985]

Your mistake is thinking that porn is more than a job.

Have you ever seen a scene with Anna de Ville/Kristy Black/Silvia Soprano/Rebecca Sharon etc. etc.?

Very obviously it is more than a job for a lot of girls.

None of them would do it without being paid well but that's mainly because of the stigma that comes with the exposure. I guarantee you that many girls would do it for free if they categorically knew it wasn't being recorded and no-one would ever know.

Your mistake is equating the pay aspect of porn with the uniform concept of labour exchange.

I have no idea why you would think any of this. The idea that pornstars are just living out their gangbang fantasies or whatever, is ironically a very male fantasy in itself, which in fairness a lot of male porn fans fall into the trap of thinking, I suspect because subconsciously it makes the whole thing even hotter for them.

And again, the girls you mention as examples show that you're not really engaging with reality here. Anna de Ville often reiterates to fans, particularly on X, that her work and personal life are two different things, and what she likes in her personal life is actually pretty vanilla. Kristy and Silvia rarely, if ever, shoot mainstream porn nowadays, because they are both predominantly focused on their OF. Rebecca Sharon got married and retired.

I mean, it seems to me that you're keeping this conversation going round in circles because, despite all evidence, you aren't convinced that the change in the dynamic of the industry is behind traditional studios struggling, and are instead trying to make a point about the style of porn that LP produces, which you happen to not be a fan of. People do this all the time on the forum, but the thing is, if the style was one that you were personally a fan of, then you'd likely have no problem seeing that the emergence of direct-engagement sites like OF are what's killed the traditional industry.

[hyapet]

jjwhite1985 pretty much nails it.

They're called actresses for a reason.

They also go from site to site to site for a reason as well. Because they look at it as a career - and the sites they go to reflect where they think they're at in their careers and what they consider the best option to be.

If the biggest paycheck came from a site that mimicked the 1920's silent movie era - you'd better believe Anne De Ville would be giving her best Charlie Chaplin impression as she took whatever meat she contractually agreed to take.

Ever want to know why the girl's are almost never referenced by even their stage names in porno productions? Because, by dressing them up differently and with different hair styles, the audience can be persuaded to forget that they saw the exact same chick just a week ago taking two gigantic black cocks when this week she's pretending that she's a virgin school girl, and oh gosh big brother, whatever are you doing in my room!

For all the actresses that supposedly loved gangbang porn so much - they haven't all conglomerated in an effort to save the industry that has the biggest studs who can give them the best gangbangs. The minute they smelled one dollar more - there came the OF account - and there they were, with yet another new look, trying to hook as many passing fish in the new pond.

I mean ... what's next? The girl's just love drinking piss at home - and can't wait to come to Legalporno to get paid, of all things - to drink a few liters here? What else?

Did they bring their own jug as well?

[TheVulture]

I don't agree with much that jjwhite1985 and hyapet say here. Of course women have sexual fantasies just like men and of course they involve the kind of acts that you see in hardcore porn. But there's little point in taking that further.

The interesting point is that I've been saying what I'm saying now on here for years and up til now have always been piled on with commentary like "Shut up snowflake, this is what porn is now and it's great, go somewhere else, we want our manhandle scenes" etc. etc. Those guys don't seem to be around here so much now and certainly have less licence to crow as essentially they've become obsolete. I can't prove that if porn had followed my advice things would be any different or that I'm any less obsolete (although I do know that my tastes didn't create this predicament) but I do find it bizarre that porn thought it could somehow make things much more physically demanding (in a non-sex way, I'm talking about the girls having to deal with the guys' hands doing angry male-dom things for the best part of an hour at a time) and aesthetically much more degrading without essentially killing the cash cow. Given that its most valued assets are, erm, the girls, was that really ever going to work?

If stable type porn is going to make a comeback I think it's clear that it's going to have to start making porn that its female stars want to make rather than what some sociopathic dudes who get a boner for Andrew Tate want to watch. That, fundamentally, is a good thing, and as it ever should have been. Porn has needed a reset for at least 10 years. Let's hope it gets one.

[TheVulture]

For all the actresses that supposedly loved gangbang porn so much - they haven't all conglomerated in an effort to save the industry that has the biggest studs who can give them the best gangbangs.

This is at best flawed and at worst downright mean-spirited. For about 15 years the industry has reduced the girls' standing to fuck dolls for hire to the extent that they likely have nowhere near the personal confidence or industry connections to make this happen even if they wanted to. If porn had allowed the girls to become more dominant in the industry via model agencies, on set input, script writing, set design etc., heck, even unions of some form then not only could they more suitably do such a thing but it probably wouldn't be needed in the first place.

[jjwhite1985]

Just about everyone who's engaged with you on this topic has told you the same thing, even Giorgio has posted about this on the forum. It's like you've been living under a rock for the last 4-5 years, I'm not sure how someone has internet access and isn't aware of the effect the content-creator economy has had on the porn world. But whatever, your opinion is your opinion, peace out

[hyapet]

This is at best flawed and at worst downright mean-spirited. For about 15 years the industry has reduced the girls' standing to fuck dolls for hire to the extent that they likely have nowhere near the personal confidence or industry connections to make this happen even if they wanted to. If porn had allowed the girls to become more dominant in the industry via model agencies, on set input, script writing, set design etc., heck, even unions of some form then not only could they more suitably do such a thing but it probably wouldn't be needed in the first place.

All of your arguments, in order to survive at any given moment, need to ignore at least 50% of what's actually going on. This quote is the perfect example.

By giving the girl's "more agency" - by giving them more roles - and more say in the industry - where do you think that that is going to lead? Well ... obviously ... the girl's who are shooting the porn asking for more money.

And - oh! Wouldn't you look! That's exactly what happened with OF! Like ...

Not that girl's are somehow bad for wanting more cash - nobody is bad for wanting more cash in their specific field of work - but, as with all things, the minute somebody gets the weight and control that otherwise alluded them, they will maximize it so that it translates directly to more money.

You think giving girl's "more roles of power" in the absolute meat-grinder of an industry that is porn would have any effect outside of them trying to grab a larger slice of the pie? If the conditions were reversed, then you could say the exact same thing about men.

And that goes to your other observation that "if only the boys were a little nicer on set" - absolutely ignores the sex acts that have already become "normalized." It's like, hey, see this eighteen inch tree-trunk of a cock that could tickle your lungs if inserted all the way inside of you? Take two of them. In your ass. At the same time.

That's absolutely okay! No worries there! But!

If the girl gets slapped around - then suddenly the big red line's been crossed.

Like - I don't like that shit either. I don't like pissing. I don't like puking. I don't care for all the rough bozo shit.

And one can definitely make the argument that by introducing all of that real degenerate type bullshit - a good chunk of this place not only scalped what could have been a much more lucrative industry with a ton more hot girls willing to jump aboard - but simultaneously dug itself the shallow pit that transformed into it's almost-grave.

Regardless of all that, TheVulture, OF, man! Fucking OF!

Everything you said would have helped this industry OF did. But, more than that, a girl has the earning potential, key word there, potential, of roughly a thousand times what she gets paid to work here. And that's while doing one twentieth the word and enduring one twentieth the pain, if any at all.

You're talking about rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic.

Some shit was inevitable. Others got exasperated by decisions made in house. But, overall, there are roughly 100,000 more girls shooting porn these days then there were five years ago. And yet - all of the traditional porno houses struggle to attract talent.

Do you honestly think that's because 100,000s of the new actresses said, simultaneously, in unison, "Ah, it's a bit more rough than it needs to be," or, "They could really use some more women in higher positions of power in the industry."

This isn't a telecommunications firm that tries to connect up and coming businesses with overseas talent. This is porn. Fucking porn.

And the Facebook of porn just crash-landed into the industry like two to three years ago. So, guess what - ...

All the myspaces are struggling to keep their doors open.

That's pretty much it.

[tcooo]

Not sure dying is the right word but stagnant or downwards spiral are appropriate at least. Prob started after the spam of garbage vids/uploaders on this site. I stopped my subscription the day they "overhauled" the site and the visibility of video's I wanted went downhill. (just a quick peek every so often to check the site)
Even now I got 'pee' sex and such turned off, but the video's are all showing pee vids on the mainpage. And video's I liked/dislikes are still not showing up, only the "loved" ones.

OF and such will play a part in it all too but sites like Evil Angel and many others show they can do perfectly fine. OF isn't the same obviously.

[Himself]

I come here less because the content that interests me has become scarce.

Wanna see ass being pounded like theres no tomorrow, preferably 1x1 with an attractive girl thats into it and an endowed male.
https://el.phncdn.com/pics/gifs/046/901 ... 1011a.webm

Instead I get men rubbing dicks on each other while subduing females because somehow its her fault that none of them can assfuck properly.

The other day there was an interesting scene
https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/2142102
Would have been better had the rasta guy given rein to balls deep non-stop in that ass, but no, they throw in another male to steal screentime and rob the girl focus from provinding the most memorable anal scene in a good while. Thats just plain wrong.

[xxxVIPERxxx]

Once they get the scene removal thing completely sorted out, and all previous scenes pass review and get reinstated...LPAV will be alright and will continue to grow.

[bake0213]

The site isn't dying at all. They are simply replacing hard anal/DAP/prolapse/piss customers with those willing to buy lower quality tube content.

[TYRESE]

Gay porn in killing the site.

[dap-addict]

Once they get the scene removal thing completely sorted out, and all previous scenes pass review and get reinstated...LPAV will be alright and will continue to grow.

Btw, I checked model names "A" on my old internal DAPlist not updated for many many years and so far all GIO/Gonzo/SOS scenes bought those many years ago were still in my pornbox - or have meanwhile been restored again.
That fact made me more optimistic again!
However, that removal thing must have cost them many customers!

[beklof]

An interesting topic, but difficult to analyze.
Of course, I can only speak for myself, but really, I regularly check out what's on offer here (maybe for 30 studios most of the time) and what I've noticed is that I find fewer interesting videos these days than before. Another attention, more and more often your favorite video can be found in Latino studios, as well as the hottest girls.

In my opinion, extreme stuff has taken on far too big a role in many studios nowadays and the phenomenon even seems to be getting stronger. The phenomenon is excellently seen in the pissing genre. Everything starts to be just gangbang pissing, huge bowls and all kinds of exaggeration. Things have gotten completely out of hand and it's starting to be just a circus where it's impossible to see what is sexually arousing. Although porn itself can be called extreme, many studios have taken it so extreme nowadays that it mostly makes you feel sick.

I've actually become more critical and started hoping for a return closer to basic porn(if you can call it that way). Anal(1 on 1, dp, dap) without hard grips, retching, slapping, gangbang pissing, 10 guys, etc. That the video ends with cum in mouth and swallow, cum in ass, cum on face, and not with ridiculous peeing here and there on a girl. If there is pissing involved why can't it be simply 1 on 1 piss in the mouth or up to 2 on 1 and without any idiotic goblets or bowls? Then there would be something natural about it, and not of five, six, seven guy's gangbang pissing, that makes it just a ridiculous circus.

So give us more real alternatives! For those of us who don't want to watch the porn circus and endless exaggeration in everything.

Here someone wrote like my own thoughts on OF! I know about its appeal to girls, and that there are many who make good money, but like the guy I mentioned, I just don't realize its popularity in terms of viewers. POV shooting that looks endlessly boring and bland and kills all interest. When Savannah Bond started doing OF, my interest in her stopped all at once. Those videos are total crap! Same thing with Aletta Ocean! Not interested anymore.

In addition, all the girls who have previously worked in studios, their OF videos are much softer than those made with studos. I'm wondering if OF's popularity will last in the long run? Viewers can also get bored with POV crap and OF's soft and boring porn and start longing for real studio porn.

[Traviani]

And if we don't see Kristy Black anymore because she's no longer profitable enough for a studio, you all think it's her who wants more, but maybe she's too expensive compared to what one of her new scenes brings in....people want novelty...and for as long as Kristy Black has been appearing in LP videos, her scenes have been boring!

[SuperKeksimus]

Hello folks!
Very interesting topic and I want to offer the solution.
I've read a lot of funny complaints here, about "the Sahara fucking Desert of porn since 2020", about "idiotic goblets or bowls of piss", about "super skinny, tattoo'd from head to toe, sunken face with tennis-ball dome cheeks, obviously fake balloon-like breasts, tanned, and unshaven", about "that gay shit on the front page"(c) etc.

What if you would be involved in a process of porn making as a sponsor? You just need to select a girl you like, bet 5-10$ for a DAP scene with her (for example) and wait for the result. After the amount of necessary money will be collected, you will able to vote for details, like her dress, ethnicity of the studs, number of studs, DP or DAP, creampies and how many etc.

I know the topics about crowdfunding and custom scenes arised from time to time on this forum and people are quite critical about this idea and the directors and admins usually ignore it, but I'm still thinking that's it would be a game changer of the whole industry and ChatGPT agreed with me.
Everyone will win from it: Studios will receive "free" actress, girls will have better salary (let's say 7000-10.000$ for hardcore DAP scene) and users will able to watch what they exactly want.

Imagine, you have a platform where actress can register, users like you and a studios.
Each girl will mark the practices, which she would perform, studios with she would work, will sign the simple online contract with crowdfunding platform and put an the expectable salary for the particular scenes. (which be bigger x2 times of the traditional salaries that usually receiving actresses now)
Users will have the interface like a photo library of available actresses with information of what they are ready to perform. Any user could pay let's say 50-100$, as a initiator, choose the girl from the library and start collecting money for a scene with general idea (DAP for example). Let's say 5-10$ from each sponsor. If the idea will collect the necessary amount of money, the standard studio voting poll will be activated and all users, who paid will choose the details of the scene (high hills or not, 0% pussy or DP, pissing, vomiting etc)
Studio will be able to sell the scene exclusively wherever they want, but sponsors will have an access to scene for free.
Actress will receive the money after the scene will uploaded to the platform and checked by the platform.
Also the transparency and high payment will attract new young models to industry, I bet!
What do you think?
I'm thinking about it for a few days and asked a ChatGPT to write a business plan for it, it is possible to make it work. If I will see your support of the idea I will buy a NAS server to host it and will start to make it live.
Any critics and suggestions also will be interesting to read.

[hyapet]

Listen - and listen well - these are the following reasons this will (probably) never work:

1 - Look at the community here. Almost every single person (including myself) think that their own personal preference on what should be in a porno is the gold standard. Where this becomes tricky is when you start getting certain folks who want certain things that for other people is an absolute no-go. So, if half of the people willing to put money into a DAP gangbang want piss - and the other half don't - somebody is going to be walking away very disappointed from that. The minute you ask for people's money beforehand is when you're inviting their direct input into what's going to go into that production. And let me tell you - straight up - as much as I like this community and the people in it, for better or worse, there is approximately a one in ten chance I'm going to put bank into a production with their preferences attached into it.

2 - Actresses don't work for single productions. If you think that an actress will go nuts about a single shoot - even for a high sum - you're sadly mistaken. The amount of time, preparation, and bother that it takes to make a single shoot, really makes shooting three to five of them the bare minimum. Not just this - but you're not taking into effect the fact that you have to pay for their travel - for their lodging - for their food - for everything else that only a full-time serious production house can provide when they put down roots. So, what, you're going to pay an actress $8,000, and then expect her to pay $3,000 just so she can make it to your shoot and stick around?

Not just this - but they keep actresses in houses for a reason. Not that every actress behaves in such a manner (but certainly a lot of them have in the past) - but when the actress is on site, you want them to essentially stay put within their lodgings. You don't want them going out, possibly drinking, possibly taking drugs, and (most importantly) possibly fucking other people - because then you have you to redo all the STD tests. Most actresses know this - but having the lodgings on site, and most likely the contractual agreements that pretty much make them stay put during it, ensures that "nothing unpredictable can happen."

3 - Actresses again - You something think that the door preventing young beautiful women from shooting DAP porn is a couple thousand extra dollars. It's ... so much more than that. The benchmark of OF happening to porn did a lot of things - but a couple of the things it really accomplished were as follows. Girl's don't look at themselves as "actresses" or "models" anymore - they look at themselves as entrepreneurs. Meaning - they're their own agent. Meaning that they take things such as ladder rung breaks - potential audience - and their own brand very seriously.

These girls aren't thinking about how to make a quick buck - or get a big pay day - they're thinking about how to expand their network so, with the power of barely showing half of a nipple - they can pull in 300,000 a month. And, really, that's fucking smart. Not just because of the sum total of the money - but because they understand that their beauty most likely has a best-before date. And with the turn of a couple of bad months - a sag here or there - a wrinkle here or there - they can start shaving the zero's off of the total sum of money they pull in every month. They've got a very limited amount of time to hit it big and cash that bank.

What does this mean? That means the truly beautiful women you would want in these productions - the kind of girls that would be able to easily gather $20,000 of crowd investment - see that as absolute chump change. You can take that $20,000 keks, and shove it up your own ass, is what they'll be thinking. That's double to triple of what you would want to give them. So ...

4 - Studs - Here's the thing most people unfamiliar with actually producing porn aren't aware of - it takes time to both train and familiarize studs with each other and themselves. If you don't think they're doing the next to impossible with what they have in the shoots where they are familiar with one another - then you have no idea what a shoot actually entails. And even then, it hardly works out perfectly. You've finally got a good DAP sequence going - everything is going as planned - and then you're biggest guy blows his load and creates a super-sized mess. He's going to be out for at least a chunk of time - you have to clean everything up - and everyone falls out of rhythm - and not just this - but his final cumshot is going to be a ton weaker (if you don't shoot it at the beginning - which is risky as well - because then there's a chance they're going to be a lot less energetic and softer during the shoot itself).

It takes a good few months to get a sequence of studs familiar with other - on the same page - and knowing how to read each other's body language to know how to progress properly in a scene. Not only this - but to synchronize their energies - and to actually make a scene. I could go on forever with this - but this is where it just starts. Oh - and good luck finding some studs who want to work for a single scene.

5 - Camera - Lighting - Stage/Set - Editors - Everything Else - You seem to be approaching this from the angle of thinking that the actress is the only thing you have to pay for. No, there are the studs, the camera man, the camera itself, the editor, graphic designers, and then the people to go and set up the website/sell the scene to other studios/deliver the scene to your clients. Like ... do you think this stuff is all free? And ... what are you going to do? Skimp on this stuff? Where are you going to shoot it? In a professional looking studio? What do you think that costs? That's right - money. So ... that extra $2,000 you think you can give the actress, is going to come with an additional $10,000 - $20,000 for the rest of the production (minimum).

You think the people here are going to be thrilled to fork over $30,000 for an amateur hour production with some OF unknown?

6 - Consistency - There's a reason why studios are formed - and why they take years to really get off the ground. There are so many moving parts - and so many elements - that you really need an actual business in charge to make sure everything arrives when it needs to and everything gets done in the manner it should (re: professionally). Okay ... so let's say you've actually built a team of studs who can throw down a good shoot ... what then?

You're going to tell them that the next time they get to work is in two weeks to a month when you can crowdfund enough money to get the next OF girl you want? You think that crowd wants to see anything but the most professional actors and the most professional laying of pipe they've ever seen? They're putting good money on the line - if something goes wrong - or you don't deliver on any one of the shoots (presuming you've got the capacity to get more than one going) - then your past doners might not come forward on your next shoot. Donations or crowdfunding isn't the same as sales. Sales are for a finished product - the customer actually wants that product. Crowdfunds are for a promise - and if the customer doesn't actually want the product you deliver - you've lost them forever.

7 - Legalities.

Do you have a lawyer that's well versed in pornographic law ready to come up with the contracts that will prevent you from getting sued? Are you well versed in the legal boundaries of what's to be carried out in a shoot (what's allowed and what isn't - the procedures - and everyone's rights) - and what the actresses' legal rights are? You think she won't sue your ass to the other side of the planet if anything unexpected happens? Yeah ... okay.

8 - Get fucking real.

So far - your "propositions" have amounted to paying a girl a couple thousand more than she otherwise would have been paid - and then she throws out her entire future plans and career so she can come and get BBC DAP'd at ... what ... your fucking house with a couple of complete fucking unknowns?

You know why I wrote all of this out? Because you're spamming every other fucking topic in the forum with this bullshit. If this were a viable alternative - the actual studio heads would have thought of and pulled this off themselves. And, even if they didn't, even if they wouldn't, and even if they couldn't - but you somehow could - you've displayed absolutely zero knowledge and where-with-all with what actually goes on inside of this industry.

You're, literally, acting like the kid who gets a camcorder, a bicycle, and thinks he's going to shoot the next major blockbuster on the weekend with his friends. They've even got fake blood! Wow - this is a guaranteed success.

That's how a lot of people start out - but then it takes years of study, networking, and getting their shit together before they can even approach an art-house type of film.

Have you seen dap-addict on these forums? He's someone with decades of actual industry experience. And he's spent years researching how to properly approach creating a very basic studio. This is business, son. Not a weekend adventure on Gofundme.

Now - answer how you're going to overcome these hurdles - like, actual researched answers that can stand up to reality, not some "I think" bullshit - or else I'm just going to spam this response to every single time you bring this up on, literally, every other thread in this forum. Which, newsflash, is not a great way to endear other people to your cause.

Trust me when I say - other people, far smarter, more capable, and with tons more experience - have looked at this idea and turned away from it. Who knows - maybe you've got an angle that no one else does - but from what I've seen of your posts - not really.

Most of the hurdles that are facing you are obstacles that can't be overcome with anything other than a perfect streak of luck. That's not to say there aren't solutions that haven't been thought up of yet. But, really, with the amount of insight you've provided into how you're going to make this work, it's not very inspiring.

I'm not wishing you any ill will - but from what it sounds like - you need a reality check.

Either answer all my questions with solid answers that can stand up to actual reality - or leave the other 20 topics that haven't had you post this in them on this forum alone.

[SuperKeksimus]

Listen - and listen well - these are the following reasons this will (probably) never work:

1 - Look at the community here. Almost every single person (including myself) think that their own personal preference on what should be in a porno is the gold standard. Where this becomes tricky is when you start getting certain folks who want certain things that for other people is an absolute no-go. So, if half of the people willing to put money into a DAP gangbang want piss - and the other half don't - somebody is going to be walking away very disappointed from that. The minute you ask for people's money beforehand is when you're inviting their direct input into what's going to go into that production. And let me tell you - straight up - as much as I like this community and the people in it, for better or worse, there is approximately a one in ten chance I'm going to put bank into a production with their preferences attached into it.

2 - Actresses don't work for single productions. If you think that an actress will go nuts about a single shoot - even for a high sum - you're sadly mistaken. The amount of time, preparation, and bother that it takes to make a single shoot, really makes shooting three to five of them the bare minimum. Not just this - but you're not taking into effect the fact that you have to pay for their travel - for their lodging - for their food - for everything else that only a full-time serious production house can provide when they put down roots. So, what, you're going to pay an actress $8,000, and then expect her to pay $3,000 just so she can make it to your shoot and stick around?

Not just this - but they keep actresses in houses for a reason. Not that every actress behaves in such a manner (but certainly a lot of them have in the past) - but when the actress is on site, you want them to essentially stay put within their lodgings. You don't want them going out, possibly drinking, possibly taking drugs, and (most importantly) possibly fucking other people - because then you have you to redo all the STD tests. Most actresses know this - but having the lodgings on site, and most likely the contractual agreements that pretty much make them stay put during it, ensures that "nothing unpredictable can happen."

3 - Actresses again - You something think that the door preventing young beautiful women from shooting DAP porn is a couple thousand extra dollars. It's ... so much more than that. The benchmark of OF happening to porn did a lot of things - but a couple of the things it really accomplished were as follows. Girl's don't look at themselves as "actresses" or "models" anymore - they look at themselves as entrepreneurs. Meaning - they're their own agent. Meaning that they take things such as ladder rung breaks - potential audience - and their own brand very seriously.

These girls aren't thinking about how to make a quick buck - or get a big pay day - they're thinking about how to expand their network so, with the power of barely showing half of a nipple - they can pull in 300,000 a month. And, really, that's fucking smart. Not just because of the sum total of the money - but because they understand that their beauty most likely has a best-before date. And with the turn of a couple of bad months - a sag here or there - a wrinkle here or there - they can start shaving the zero's off of the total sum of money they pull in every month. They've got a very limited amount of time to hit it big and cash that bank.

What does this mean? That means the truly beautiful women you would want in these productions - the kind of girls that would be able to easily gather $20,000 of crowd investment - see that as absolute chump change. You can take that $20,000 keks, and shove it up your own ass, is what they'll be thinking. That's double to triple of what you would want to give them. So ...

4 - Studs - Here's the thing most people unfamiliar with actually producing porn aren't aware of - it takes time to both train and familiarize studs with each other and themselves. If you don't think they're doing the next to impossible with what they have in the shoots where they are familiar with one another - then you have no idea what a shoot actually entails. And even then, it hardly works out perfectly. You've finally got a good DAP sequence going - everything is going as planned - and then you're biggest guy blows his load and creates a super-sized mess. He's going to be out for at least a chunk of time - you have to clean everything up - and everyone falls out of rhythm - and not just this - but his final cumshot is going to be a ton weaker (if you don't shoot it at the beginning - which is risky as well - because then there's a chance they're going to be a lot less energetic and softer during the shoot itself).

It takes a good few months to get a sequence of studs familiar with other - on the same page - and knowing how to read each other's body language to know how to progress properly in a scene. Not only this - but to synchronize their energies - and to actually make a scene. I could go on forever with this - but this is where it just starts. Oh - and good luck finding some studs who want to work for a single scene.

5 - Camera - Lighting - Stage/Set - Editors - Everything Else - You seem to be approaching this from the angle of thinking that the actress is the only thing you have to pay for. No, there are the studs, the camera man, the camera itself, the editor, graphic designers, and then the people to go and set up the website/sell the scene to other studios/deliver the scene to your clients. Like ... do you think this stuff is all free? And ... what are you going to do? Skimp on this stuff? Where are you going to shoot it? In a professional looking studio? What do you think that costs? That's right - money. So ... that extra $2,000 you think you can give the actress, is going to come with an additional $10,000 - $20,000 for the rest of the production (minimum).

You think the people here are going to be thrilled to fork over $30,000 for an amateur hour production with some OF unknown?

6 - Consistency - There's a reason why studios are formed - and why they take years to really get off the ground. There are so many moving parts - and so many elements - that you really need an actual business in charge to make sure everything arrives when it needs to and everything gets done in the manner it should (re: professionally). Okay ... so let's say you've actually built a team of studs who can throw down a good shoot ... what then?

You're going to tell them that the next time they get to work is in two weeks to a month when you can crowdfund enough money to get the next OF girl you want? You think that crowd wants to see anything but the most professional actors and the most professional laying of pipe they've ever seen? They're putting good money on the line - if something goes wrong - or you don't deliver on any one of the shoots (presuming you've got the capacity to get more than one going) - then your past doners might not come forward on your next shoot. Donations or crowdfunding isn't the same as sales. Sales are for a finished product - the customer actually wants that product. Crowdfunds are for a promise - and if the customer doesn't actually want the product you deliver - you've lost them forever.

7 - Legalities.

Do you have a lawyer that's well versed in pornographic law ready to come up with the contracts that will prevent you from getting sued? Are you well versed in the legal boundaries of what's to be carried out in a shoot (what's allowed and what isn't - the procedures - and everyone's rights) - and what the actresses' legal rights are? You think she won't sue your ass to the other side of the planet if anything unexpected happens? Yeah ... okay.

8 - Get fucking real.

So far - your "propositions" have amounted to paying a girl a couple thousand more than she otherwise would have been paid - and then she throws out her entire future plans and career so she can come and get BBC DAP'd at ... what ... your fucking house with a couple of complete fucking unknowns?

You know why I wrote all of this out? Because you're spamming every other fucking topic in the forum with this bullshit. If this were a viable alternative - the actual studio heads would have thought of and pulled this off themselves. And, even if they didn't, even if they wouldn't, and even if they couldn't - but you somehow could - you've displayed absolutely zero knowledge and where-with-all with what actually goes on inside of this industry.

You're, literally, acting like the kid who gets a camcorder, a bicycle, and thinks he's going to shoot the next major blockbuster on the weekend with his friends. They've even got fake blood! Wow - this is a guaranteed success.

That's how a lot of people start out - but then it takes years of study, networking, and getting their shit together before they can even approach an art-house type of film.

Have you seen dap-addict on these forums? He's someone with decades of actual industry experience. And he's spent years researching how to properly approach creating a very basic studio. This is business, son. Not a weekend adventure on Gofundme.

Now - answer how you're going to overcome these hurdles - like, actual researched answers that can stand up to reality, not some "I think" bullshit - or else I'm just going to spam this response to every single time you bring this up on, literally, every other thread in this forum. Which, newsflash, is not a great way to endear other people to your cause.

Trust me when I say - other people, far smarter, more capable, and with tons more experience - have looked at this idea and turned away from it. Who knows - maybe you've got an angle that no one else does - but from what I've seen of your posts - not really.

Most of the hurdles that are facing you are obstacles that can't be overcome with anything other than a perfect streak of luck. That's not to say there aren't solutions that haven't been thought up of yet. But, really, with the amount of insight you've provided into how you're going to make this work, it's not very inspiring.

I'm not wishing you any ill will - but from what it sounds like - you need a reality check.

Either answer all my questions with solid answers that can stand up to actual reality - or leave the other 20 topics that haven't had you post this in them on this forum alone.

First of all, man, thank you for so detailed answer, I really appreciate it and it was interesting to read!
Now I want to discuss it a bit:

1. True, many people thinks that their own personal preference on what should be in a porno is the gold standard. But, I think most of people here will agree on basic things, like anal sex, gangbangs, young new actresses who would perform anal, right? That's the base all us want or most of us. All another, like pissing, manhandling, color of the high heels is details, which is ALSO will be possible to control by users on crowdfunding platform. For example if you don't like pissing in scenes and want to see pretty young actress with natural tits who performing DAP, Gapes and cum swallow only - you could initiate a crowdfunding for that, don't think thats your preferences so unique thats you won't find any other people who will support it by their 5$. I know what I'm talking about because I'm making successful videogames for adults, even with very specific genres, like furry, prolapses or vomit you will find a lot of people who like it. If we are talking about something gerenal (base), like DAP+Gapes+Cum Swallow we are talking about literally millions of potential supporters.

2. True, usually actress shooting in several scenes during her business trip, and it's cool. Even if only one scene will be paid by supporters from crowdfunding it would be already nice for her and for studio, because studio will save the money and she will got the support from her audience. I didn't say thats crowdfunding should cover all the costs of production, including travel costs. Just payment for shooting for actress, that's it. All another costs should pay the studio, as usual, because they will have the exclusive right to sell the scene after. Even supporters of crowdfunding platform could watch the scene on a platform of studio, like pornbox, using specific promocode from studio of something like that. I'm talking about only the support of actresses, nothing more than that, maybe even some bonuses from crowdfunding platform like bonus for young age before 22 or bonus for registration for a new talents. I want to see more young girls in hard porn(I thing many people will agree with me here, right?), that's why.

3. Man, a lot of beautiful girls just selling their body for 60-100eur per hour, look at sexomercadobcn website, you will see there a lot of super hot girls, who working every day as a dicksuckers, for hours. They wish to have more money for less hours, but they don't know how to do it, they need transparent platform, clean rules, simple registration, they need to see how much money they will have BEFORE they will shoot. The platform like this, with simple entrance and clean rules simply doesn't exist yet, we have some "model agencies", like in 60s or 70s, which girl need to find by herself, or websites of directors, like https://giorgiograndi.eu/giocom/page/the-production without registration form even, which barely any girl will find, it's hard. Literally potential young hot actresses and porn studios existing in different realities.

A lot of girls without any experience is shooting in hard studios like facialabuse for couple of hundreds of dollars, man, that's sick, they are absolutely underpaid and used. And you are talking about some ig celebrities, or girls who acting like entrepreneurs and wants to have 300000 for showing her nipple. Why are you talking about them, not about something more simple? Think wider
But even for them! Imagine if Belle Delphine will be able to have 1 million dollars for DAP scene on GIO stage? Do you think it's impossible for her to collect this money from crowdfunding platfrom? I bet she will have it for a week or less. So even for truly beautiful woman and ig celebrities it's a giant possibility to get super rich.

4. To find studs, to put them in the order, to train and familiarize studs, to synchronize them in a right rhythm - is a business of a director, it's not a business of crowdfunding. I'm talking only for covering the payment of an actress, about transparent, clean and friendly service for actresses, for users and for studios, nothing more than that. My idea is not to make a new production - the platform would work with existing studios, who have experience, production process, studs, cameras etc. The good products should make professionals.

5. Production costs and process is a deal of studios, as I said before. They will have exclusive rights to sell the scene after shooting, and they will save money for payment to actress, that's why this should be profitable for them.

6. I thing I've just wrote that's I'm not talking about new production, so all you wrote about "built a team of a studs" it's not about mine idea (maybe I wasn't too clean in my first post on this topic about that and sorry for my English, it's not my native language) About Consistency - the platform shouldn't interrupt usual production process for studios, it just will helping the studios to cut the costs. If they booked a actress for 5 scenes and payment for actress for just one scene will covered by crowdfunding - isn't it would be profitable for studio anyway? Actress will have some extra money and studio won't pay her for 1 scene, cause she will got paid by crowdfunding. Situation win-win.

And again - crowdfunding platform is not about any of production process, it's about funding actress and for some instruments of control for users.
It's about transparent, easy registration platform, which will combine studios, actresses and users in one and would be profitable for everybody.
You can compare crowdfunding platform with model agencies and porn scouts, not with studios with production.

And it's was a bit funny when I read "Sales are for a finished product - the customer actually wants that product." This topic is basically about the opposite, studios making content THEY want, they are simply don't even ask users about anything.
To say that's people want it because they buy it is like to say that's people in a Soviet grocery store wants a rotten potatoes because they buy it. Or people wanted to watch Soviet TV which showing boring congresses of the CPSU party. The correct answer here - they buy (watch)it because they don't have a choice. If tomorrow all studios will decide to shit on actress's face before shooting - some people will also buy it, but not because it's a super hot trend, they will buy it because they don't have any other options.
And in case of crowdfunding - yes, it's a promise, but it's desirable promise, people will buy it because they actually want this content and also they will be able to control the result by choosing the actress, by voting polls, practices etc. It's like transform soviet grocery store to a modern supermarket.

7. That's a potential problems of studios, not mine. The crowdfunding platform is something like a layer between the studio and actresses, who will simply help both. The actress will sign a shooting agreement with the studio. With the crowdfunding platform there will be something like an agreement of the 3rd parties on additional financing subject to conditions. The studio shoots the right content with the actress - the actress gets additional funding from the crowdfunding platform. The difficulty here is (as I see it) - if, for example, an actress agreed to film TAP, but it didn't work out for her, what's a crowdfunding platform to do in that case? Return some of the money to the sponsors (like 20%) and pay the actress less? Cruel, but fair.

8. LOL. Man, you got me wrong, I think I answered already about that. Shooting will be done by professionals, by existing studios.
All existing directors and studios just enjoying the classic process, they are in comfort zone, they don't want to change anything. "King in a castle, king in a castle, I want to piss in every actress mouths and put a hairy guys fucking each others asses on a main page without option to filter it off, king in a castle". They know - whatever they will shoot - people will buy and watch it, because they don't have alternative. Today they are pissing in the mouth of every girl until she vomit? Tomorrow they will shitting there and what will you do? Organize a union of professional porn watchers and go complain to parliament? Will create a topic on the forum "Oh no, porn dies, too many old-fake-tits-mommies-who-are-vomoting-to-each-other-mouths and hairy-asses-of-old-mens-on-a-main-page-I-don't-want-to-see, let's all complain and discuss it"?
You literally have no voting right and no pressure levers, you are eating what they give. Yesterday there was milk with vomit for lunch, today for lunch is bowl of pee, and tomorrow bowl of shit. Bon appetite

If you have any ideas how to change the situation and give people what they actually want, write it, it will be interesting to read.

[SuperKeksimus]

Forgot to add:
Probably studios is ignoring the crowdfunding system because it will make it unprofitable for actresses to work at current rates, turn directors from Kings to peasants and literally destroy the current system and change it. Actresses just won't drink old man Woodman's yellow piss for $1,500, endure humiliation in facialabuse for $500-$1,000, and so on. Also, this system could wipe out literally all "modeling agencies" which are engaged in attracting models to porn studios, all the "scouts", as well as give the user the opportunity to influence the process, which every director is scared shitless. Now he's literally King in the castle, doing what he wants, pissing in the mouths of actresses, making girls puke for a couple thousand euros, tomorrow he'll start shitting in their mouths and people will buy it because they're hooked on the porn needle and are used to consume it everyday. A system that will allow girls to be more independent, gather support from users, and users to influence the outcome is literally their worst dream, in this in case any director turns from a king in a castle to a mere servant and loses control.
That is why the topic of crowdfunding is stubbornly ignored by studios and directors, and not at all because "other people, far smarter, more capable, and with tons more experience - have looked at this idea and turned away from it because it's a bullshit and sick desires of a kid with a bicycle and fake blood who wants something unreal"

[Giorgio Grandi]

Nice topic, but you are not aiming to the right spot.
Last week I spoke with a model with who I never worked, because she worked only with her bf, but she was doing with him pretty hard stuff (gape, fisting, pee, you name it)
She is now single and running her own content, in her late 20is. She does stuff pretty hardcore, the kind of girl/stuff here would make very good sales probably.

She lives in a small city, so no option to have partners around her. So 1-2 time/month she organise her shooting in another city, choosing the partners she likes and deciding the content she is in the mood for.
She gets a couple of flight ticket for her and her cameraman, rent a nice flat and shoot for 3-4 days. She deosnt pay the other partners, she exchange contents (she does one scene for the others and the other do one scene for her), so her content are exclusive.

The main keywords fo her are "easy and fun" (in her content).

After she goes home, and edit. 30 minutes videos that after she sell for 20$ to who already paid her 25$ for e membership. (so do the math, one video would cost you 45$ and 10 video 22.5/each + VAT is you are in europe)

If I would release such stuff at such price, here you will just all start to complain and I would not make any profit.

She does 20-30 k/month, with 3-4k of cost combining 2-3 platforms where she release and she is actually one of the few model that run her accounts herself (I saw the stats with my own eyes).

I could have asked her if she wanted to shoot for andrei, but I avoided it, it doesn't make sense.

This is how it is. Models do not need producers anymore, specially if they are cute and skilled

[drevokocur66]

[quote="Giorgio Grandi"]Nice topic, but you are not aiming to the right spot.
Last week I spoke with a model with who I never worked, because she worked only with her bf, but she was doing with him pretty hard stuff (gape, fisting, pee, you name it)
She is now single and running her own content, in her late 20is. She does stuff pretty hardcore, the kind of girl/stuff here would make very good sales probably.

She lives in a small city, so no option to have partners around her. So 1-2 time/month she organise her shooting in another city, choosing the partners she likes and deciding the content she is in the mood for.
She gets a couple of flight ticket for her and her cameraman, rent a nice flat and shoot for 3-4 days. She deosnt pay the other partners, she exchange contents (she does one scene for the others and the other do one scene for her), so her content are exclusive.

The main keywords fo her are "easy and fun" (in her content).

After she goes home, and edit. 30 minutes videos that after she sell for 20$ to who already paid her 25$ for e membership. (so do the math, one video would cost you 45$ and 10 video 22.5/each + VAT is you are in europe)

If I would release such stuff at such price, here you will just all start to complain and I would not make any profit.

She does 20-30 k/month, with 3-4k of cost combining 2-3 platforms where she release and she is actually one of the few model that run her accounts herself (I saw the stats with my own eyes).


Change is inevitable and constant. Talent adapted, and you must also, or become obsolete.

[hyapet]

Actually Giorgio, Superkeks did give some really good answers.

I'll summarize this as quickly as I can. The point you (Giorgio) bring up is 110% on point. Computers in our day were like, "Oh wow - what's this?!" Editing a video (professionally) was like, "Oh man - you can actually do that? You don't need need a degree or something?"

These days - any girl coming home from her shoot can edit the whole thing on her phone on the subway and have it ready to upload by the time she walks through the door. Media literacy is different with the new generations - what was once an insurmountable barrier is now not seen as anything more difficult than opening a can of soda.

Now - what Keks is talking about is something entirely different. Yet - this all comes together in the end - so bare with me here. He's talking about finding your low IQ, low-hanging fruit, who hasn't even thought about putting together an online profile, never mind creating an actual profession out of it and doing more than living paycheck to paycheck. There will always be someone out there who isn't the brightest bulb - and with enough searching - Superkeks could find a few of these people in the brothels of the poorer towns he visits wherever he is. Let's give him this.

Here's where it all comes together, though.

The porn market is oversaturated.

I know girls who, you would never think they have an OF account, but there they are sticking two dildos into themselves at the same time. It's like ... alright! They dress up - they do themed shoots - they get the lighting just right - like, there's no camera man or anything, but all things considered, no one's complaining about the end product.

There are literally millions of these girls out there now. And what was once, "Yeah, this porn actress is kind of hot, I'll buy her scene," has essentially transformed into, "I can find somebody who looks exactly like my high school crush from twenty years ago - and watch her feed a snake dildo from her own mouth into her ass." It's insane the amount of selection and choice people have.

Now, granted, this might not have the high end glitz and production of the earlier studio porn, but it has what the studio porn could never really grab - the equivalent to the customized girl of your dreams performing raunchy acts just for you.

The porn market has intrinsically changed. Much like Hollywood collapsed and gave way to YouTube, the traditional porn houses have likewise pretty much shrunk into one another and are serving as a museum whereas OF is leading the way. And, in a way, that makes sense. A girl performing in her room - setting her own rates - and conducting her own business - will always be preferred to going into the sex industry with men.

I'm not some feminist - and I'm not saying all men are terrible or some shit like that - BUT - when you take it from a (modern) girl's perspective - there is substantially less observable and theoretical risk with turning on that camera in your own home. Especially when, as my friend does, she can charge forty-five fucking dollars per video.

More than being a sweeter honey trap for the performers themselves - it's the audience that's captured in it as well. I've found girls who look, like, 98% like the girls I lusted for (but never got) in my lifetime. It is - absolutely nuts.

If somebody thinks he can take a camera - convince somebody to shoot some DAP's - and release it onto (super bloated - customization-centric market) - then, sure. Go for it, I guess?

But the gigantic blob of the porn consuming public has now been narrowed down and individualized. Everybody can get the exact meal they want prepared to them by their chef of choice. Going to McDonalds isn't really necessary anymore, or, essentially, preferred. Will you still find a collection of people who dig DAP-centric action? Of course. But that audience has already been defined - and finding people that will be willing to pay for that who aren't already - in this day and age of the Internet - involves some high hopes.

Maybe if the girl is that catastrophically beautiful - sure. But, even then, if she was - some other girl would have most likely gotten her into her cam action set up.

It's not 2015 anymore. Superkeks isn't wrong, per se. He genuinely impressed me with his answers. It's just ...

It's a different world out there today than it was even three years ago, never mind seven.

The times have indeed changed.

[fister2]

And, in a just couple of years, the AI produced stuff will be so high quality that it's impossible to distinguish it from "real" stuff. I have already been fooled with still photos, it's just a matter of time when videos will be such high quality. And there's not boundaries what can be put there. AI generated "girl" can do stuff that human could not even handle. That will change the business one again, for worse, I'm afraid.

[xxxVIPERxxx]

Thank you for the input and views.
I honestly think that some girls who are more business-saavy, can manage their own workload, their own careers, and do their own marketing on multiple platforms...
If money was the only thing on their mind, yes they can make a lot more doing it their way. Fair play to them, if that is what they choose.

However, there is a lot about the well shot, professionally lit, and proper porn scenes from a top tier studio. That cannot be replicated (AI...will never be able to generate that same experience, look, and feel).
LP/AV has done well to adapt, reducing costs/overheads, getting the right up and coming talents etc.

There is always going to be a market for this. But it is more limited right now, but that is a sign of the times. A lot of people's pockets are being squeezed.
At work, we had a new swathe of staff dismissals, and redundancies made...people are just about making ends meet.

[Giorgio Grandi]

Actually Giorgio, Superkeks did give some really good answers.

I'll summarize this as quickly as I can. The point you (Giorgio) bring up is 110% on point. Computers in our day were like, "Oh wow - what's this?!" Editing a video (professionally) was like, "Oh man - you can actually do that? You don't need need a degree or something?"

These days - any girl coming home from her shoot can edit the whole thing on her phone on the subway and have it ready to upload by the time she walks through the door. Media literacy is different with the new generations - what was once an insurmountable barrier is now not seen as anything more difficult than opening a can of soda.

Now - what Keks is talking about is something entirely different. Yet - this all comes together in the end - so bare with me here. He's talking about finding your low IQ, low-hanging fruit, who hasn't even thought about putting together an online profile, never mind creating an actual profession out of it and doing more than living paycheck to paycheck. There will always be someone out there who isn't the brightest bulb - and with enough searching - Superkeks could find a few of these people in the brothels of the poorer towns he visits wherever he is. Let's give him this.

Here's where it all comes together, though.

The porn market is oversaturated.

I know girls who, you would never think they have an OF account, but there they are sticking two dildos into themselves at the same time. It's like ... alright! They dress up - they do themed shoots - they get the lighting just right - like, there's no camera man or anything, but all things considered, no one's complaining about the end product.

There are literally millions of these girls out there now. And what was once, "Yeah, this porn actress is kind of hot, I'll buy her scene," has essentially transformed into, "I can find somebody who looks exactly like my high school crush from twenty years ago - and watch her feed a snake dildo from her own mouth into her ass." It's insane the amount of selection and choice people have.

Now, granted, this might not have the high end glitz and production of the earlier studio porn, but it has what the studio porn could never really grab - the equivalent to the customized girl of your dreams performing raunchy acts just for you.

The porn market has intrinsically changed. Much like Hollywood collapsed and gave way to YouTube, the traditional porn houses have likewise pretty much shrunk into one another and are serving as a museum whereas OF is leading the way. And, in a way, that makes sense. A girl performing in her room - setting her own rates - and conducting her own business - will always be preferred to going into the sex industry with men.

I'm not some feminist - and I'm not saying all men are terrible or some shit like that - BUT - when you take it from a (modern) girl's perspective - there is substantially less observable and theoretical risk with turning on that camera in your own home. Especially when, as my friend does, she can charge forty-five fucking dollars per video.

More than being a sweeter honey trap for the performers themselves - it's the audience that's captured in it as well. I've found girls who look, like, 98% like the girls I lusted for (but never got) in my lifetime. It is - absolutely nuts.

If somebody thinks he can take a camera - convince somebody to shoot some DAP's - and release it onto (super bloated - customization-centric market) - then, sure. Go for it, I guess?

But the gigantic blob of the porn consuming public has now been narrowed down and individualized. Everybody can get the exact meal they want prepared to them by their chef of choice. Going to McDonalds isn't really necessary anymore, or, essentially, preferred. Will you still find a collection of people who dig DAP-centric action? Of course. But that audience has already been defined - and finding people that will be willing to pay for that who aren't already - in this day and age of the Internet - involves some high hopes.

Maybe if the girl is that catastrophically beautiful - sure. But, even then, if she was - some other girl would have most likely gotten her into her cam action set up.

It's not 2015 anymore. Superkeks isn't wrong, per se. He genuinely impressed me with his answers. It's just ...

It's a different world out there today than it was even three years ago, never mind seven.

The times have indeed changed.

this is not something terrible for porn, it just a change

there has never been so much porn produced as today
the problem is that if you want particular content, the cost is bound to increase

[RawMeat]

Actually Giorgio, Superkeks did give some really good answers.

I'll summarize this as quickly as I can. The point you (Giorgio) bring up is 110% on point. Computers in our day were like, "Oh wow - what's this?!" Editing a video (professionally) was like, "Oh man - you can actually do that? You don't need need a degree or something?"

These days - any girl coming home from her shoot can edit the whole thing on her phone on the subway and have it ready to upload by the time she walks through the door. Media literacy is different with the new generations - what was once an insurmountable barrier is now not seen as anything more difficult than opening a can of soda.

Now - what Keks is talking about is something entirely different. Yet - this all comes together in the end - so bare with me here. He's talking about finding your low IQ, low-hanging fruit, who hasn't even thought about putting together an online profile, never mind creating an actual profession out of it and doing more than living paycheck to paycheck. There will always be someone out there who isn't the brightest bulb - and with enough searching - Superkeks could find a few of these people in the brothels of the poorer towns he visits wherever he is. Let's give him this.

Here's where it all comes together, though.

The porn market is oversaturated.

I know girls who, you would never think they have an OF account, but there they are sticking two dildos into themselves at the same time. It's like ... alright! They dress up - they do themed shoots - they get the lighting just right - like, there's no camera man or anything, but all things considered, no one's complaining about the end product.

There are literally millions of these girls out there now. And what was once, "Yeah, this porn actress is kind of hot, I'll buy her scene," has essentially transformed into, "I can find somebody who looks exactly like my high school crush from twenty years ago - and watch her feed a snake dildo from her own mouth into her ass." It's insane the amount of selection and choice people have.

Now, granted, this might not have the high end glitz and production of the earlier studio porn, but it has what the studio porn could never really grab - the equivalent to the customized girl of your dreams performing raunchy acts just for you.

The porn market has intrinsically changed. Much like Hollywood collapsed and gave way to YouTube, the traditional porn houses have likewise pretty much shrunk into one another and are serving as a museum whereas OF is leading the way. And, in a way, that makes sense. A girl performing in her room - setting her own rates - and conducting her own business - will always be preferred to going into the sex industry with men.

I'm not some feminist - and I'm not saying all men are terrible or some shit like that - BUT - when you take it from a (modern) girl's perspective - there is substantially less observable and theoretical risk with turning on that camera in your own home. Especially when, as my friend does, she can charge forty-five fucking dollars per video.

More than being a sweeter honey trap for the performers themselves - it's the audience that's captured in it as well. I've found girls who look, like, 98% like the girls I lusted for (but never got) in my lifetime. It is - absolutely nuts.

If somebody thinks he can take a camera - convince somebody to shoot some DAP's - and release it onto (super bloated - customization-centric market) - then, sure. Go for it, I guess?

But the gigantic blob of the porn consuming public has now been narrowed down and individualized. Everybody can get the exact meal they want prepared to them by their chef of choice. Going to McDonalds isn't really necessary anymore, or, essentially, preferred. Will you still find a collection of people who dig DAP-centric action? Of course. But that audience has already been defined - and finding people that will be willing to pay for that who aren't already - in this day and age of the Internet - involves some high hopes.

Maybe if the girl is that catastrophically beautiful - sure. But, even then, if she was - some other girl would have most likely gotten her into her cam action set up.

It's not 2015 anymore. Superkeks isn't wrong, per se. He genuinely impressed me with his answers. It's just ...

It's a different world out there today than it was even three years ago, never mind seven.

The times have indeed changed.

this is not something terrible for porn, it just a change

there has never been so much porn produced as today
the problem is that if you want particular content, the cost is bound to increase

Says the cheapest, worst, obsessively bigoted porn producer in History
You are the one who invented and promoted tip-fucking and encouraged lame actresses to engage in porn where they do anything except sex or fake sex. In other words they earned crazy silly money just by drinking pee, sliding in a puddle, eating cakes and dunno what other retarded shit you tell them do like fucking motionless in a cage
Your videos are unwatchable with pee interruption every 5 fn min, your models look like skinny latino trans paid 5 bucks to give cheap BJ and tip fuck, you are the one who shot Legalporno to death and launched that epic gay-in-mainstream failure that is Analpiss

You better retire and leave the job to awesome studios like DPDiva and HardX

[Anselm_Weinberg]

Jesus, do you ever post anything but the same cookie cutter bullshit post over and over again? No one cares about the mad rants of some special snowflake with an attention deficiency, House MD. Either move on or try to maybe be a little more constructive in your input, since this isn't going to get you far in your pathetic life, loser.

[hyapet]

this is not something terrible for porn, it just a change

there has never been so much porn produced as today
the problem is that if you want particular content, the cost is bound to increase

Actually, it is pretty bad for porn, we just haven't felt the full brunt of the side-effects of this new age yet. Everything's still shiny as of this point. Wait for the glitz and the gloss to wear off - and we'll see how we're all feeling.

The main reason it's bad is that, being completely contradictory to economic theory, flooding the market with consumable goods (OF girls) actually raised the price. You'd think that, all things considered, having too much out there would drive the prices down. But, that's not how it works in this particular scenario.

Everything is customizable. Especially the girl. Back in the day, there were, maybe, ten to twenty thousand porn actresses in the world. These days? There are millions. Yet - each one has a very "I'm totally in love with her" audience that's willing to pay anything for whatever content she would release. More sympathetic, I could not be.

However, what this has essentially done is raise the base rate and the base expectation to an insanely high level. Every girl can charge Michelin star prices for her meal, because, to a certain number of people out there, she certainly is a Michelin star meal.

So now, pretty much everywhere you go, there are Michelin star prices.

Next reason it's bad - is claustrophobia. Watching a girl perform with a still camera with her back up against the wall in an obviously tiny apartment is just ... fucking depressing. Bonus points for the replacement-baby cat walking both into and out of the shot. Like - there's a reason Legalporno and NRX could capture lightning in a bottle. Not only was there an insanely hot must-be-a-fantasy type girl - but she was in a likewise fantasy-based set up. Like, the literal corner of our minds where the raunchiest shit takes place, was the layout of these and your studio(s).

The final reason it sucks is because OF girls are already reacting now to the biggest threat to their industry - which is AI. You should see some of the AI face-filter fails from Asia, Giorgio, like ... holy shit. Girls that are, honestly, at best, not joking, a 1.5 out of 10, have AI programs that make their faces look like they're 10s. Until ... they don't. You've never seen so much wood crumple so quickly since the great fire of London. So now ... you're pretty much paying people to act as a body model for a generated computer face on screen. It's ... not good.

Yet - it brings about an interesting prospect.

AI porn will most likely come and decimate all of traditional porn - including OF. And why?

Because of the insane customizability of it. Imagine directing your own scene - and then merely dropping in placeholders. Like - you list the people involved in the scene - the actions performed - the camera angle - and away you go! Custom video in a couple of minutes.

AI has progressed insanely fast - and not only this - but it seems to be getting even faster. Most people don't recognize what a truly boundary breaking advancement the Chinese Deepseek was for porn production. It essentially lets people do complex AI tasks on rather old computers. Meaning the processing power and the need for these super advanced computer chips (and the power they take) aren't really there anymore. Or, at the very least, nowhere to the same degree as before.

The first person to develop a program that allows you to essentially be the direct of your own scene will make billions of dollars. The tech might not necessarily be just there just yet - but with the progress that has been made since day one - we really aren't far out at all. Anywhere from 6 months to 2 years, depending on how many more surprises like Deepseek pop out from seemingly nowhere.

But yeah ... porn is indeed changing ... yet it seems to be in a more of an in-between area right now. Everyone's nervous. The traditional studios because they don't know if they'll survive. The OF girls because they don't know if they'll survive either. And AI - which everyone has great hopes for - but which no one knows when the ultimate promise of it will be delivered.

But that - truly - more than anything else - is the future.

Mixing the customizability of your favorite OF girl with the full blown fantasy of traditional porn?

No contest.

[fister2]

^exactly what I had in mind with my comment on AI. It will take over the majority of porn production. There are (almost) no boundaries, nobody's "abused" when producing the most terrifying circus acts. Porn created with living models will become rarity. It could be highly priced "luxury" product which only few people afford. But it's a fact, that AI will become so high quality in just a couple of years that one cannot distinguish it from reality.

[Giorgio Grandi]

this is not something terrible for porn, it just a change

there has never been so much porn produced as today
the problem is that if you want particular content, the cost is bound to increase

Actually, it is pretty bad for porn, we just haven't felt the full brunt of the side-effects of this new age yet. Everything's still shiny as of this point. Wait for the glitz and the gloss to wear off - and we'll see how we're all feeling.

The main reason it's bad is that, being completely contradictory to economic theory, flooding the market with consumable goods (OF girls) actually raised the price. You'd think that, all things considered, having too much out there would drive the prices down. But, that's not how it works in this particular scenario.

Everything is customizable. Especially the girl. Back in the day, there were, maybe, ten to twenty thousand porn actresses in the world. These days? There are millions. Yet - each one has a very "I'm totally in love with her" audience that's willing to pay anything for whatever content she would release. More sympathetic, I could not be.

However, what this has essentially done is raise the base rate and the base expectation to an insanely high level. Every girl can charge Michelin star prices for her meal, because, to a certain number of people out there, she certainly is a Michelin star meal.

So now, pretty much everywhere you go, there are Michelin star prices.

Next reason it's bad - is claustrophobia. Watching a girl perform with a still camera with her back up against the wall in an obviously tiny apartment is just ... fucking depressing. Bonus points for the replacement-baby cat walking both into and out of the shot. Like - there's a reason Legalporno and NRX could capture lightning in a bottle. Not only was there an insanely hot must-be-a-fantasy type girl - but she was in a likewise fantasy-based set up. Like, the literal corner of our minds where the raunchiest shit takes place, was the layout of these and your studio(s).

The final reason it sucks is because OF girls are already reacting now to the biggest threat to their industry - which is AI. You should see some of the AI face-filter fails from Asia, Giorgio, like ... holy shit. Girls that are, honestly, at best, not joking, a 1.5 out of 10, have AI programs that make their faces look like they're 10s. Until ... they don't. You've never seen so much wood crumple so quickly since the great fire of London. So now ... you're pretty much paying people to act as a body model for a generated computer face on screen. It's ... not good.

Yet - it brings about an interesting prospect.

AI porn will most likely come and decimate all of traditional porn - including OF. And why?

Because of the insane customizability of it. Imagine directing your own scene - and then merely dropping in placeholders. Like - you list the people involved in the scene - the actions performed - the camera angle - and away you go! Custom video in a couple of minutes.

AI has progressed insanely fast - and not only this - but it seems to be getting even faster. Most people don't recognize what a truly boundary breaking advancement the Chinese Deepseek was for porn production. It essentially lets people do complex AI tasks on rather old computers. Meaning the processing power and the need for these super advanced computer chips (and the power they take) aren't really there anymore. Or, at the very least, nowhere to the same degree as before.

The first person to develop a program that allows you to essentially be the direct of your own scene will make billions of dollars. The tech might not necessarily be just there just yet - but with the progress that has been made since day one - we really aren't far out at all. Anywhere from 6 months to 2 years, depending on how many more surprises like Deepseek pop out from seemingly nowhere.

But yeah ... porn is indeed changing ... yet it seems to be in a more of an in-between area right now. Everyone's nervous. The traditional studios because they don't know if they'll survive. The OF girls because they don't know if they'll survive either. And AI - which everyone has great hopes for - but which no one knows when the ultimate promise of it will be delivered.

But that - truly - more than anything else - is the future.

Mixing the customizability of your favorite OF girl with the full blown fantasy of traditional porn?

No contest.

AI is very far away from being suitable from something as you describe and still, it will not be something negative for porn.
It will possibly create the best porn ever, pure perfection, why shouldn't that be a good thing?

Because "it is not real", because "a real girl is not involved", because the moaning and the "emotion" in the video are not, as in most of case, just a "reality fake" but implemented from a machine??
Porn is fiction. Its not mean to be "real". For "real porn" there are amateur content and somehow most of OF content maybe.

If AI will create the "perfect" porn, without to be even real, it is only a good thing.

If you pull yourself from this insane idea that "porn is real"

[isis666xxx]

Says the cheapest, worst, obsessively bigoted porn producer in History
You are the one who invented and promoted tip-fucking and encouraged lame actresses to engage in porn where they do anything except sex or fake sex. In other words they earned crazy silly money just by drinking pee, sliding in a puddle, eating cakes and dunno what other retarded shit you tell them do like fucking motionless in a cage
Your videos are unwatchable with pee interruption every 5 fn min, your models look like skinny latino trans paid 5 bucks to give cheap BJ and tip fuck, you are the one who shot Legalporno to death and launched that epic gay-in-mainstream failure that is Analpiss

You better retire and leave the job to awesome studios like DPDiva and HardX

Jesus, do you ever post anything but the same cookie cutter bullshit post over and over again? No one cares about the mad rants of some special snowflake with an attention deficiency, House MD. Either move on or try to maybe be a little more constructive in your input, since this isn't going to get you far in your pathetic life, loser.

lol i think hes House MD too

or House MD's twin

House MD's doesnt have a evil twin cuz they are both evil~

[SuperKeksimus]

this is not something terrible for porn, it just a change

there has never been so much porn produced as today
the problem is that if you want particular content, the cost is bound to increase

Actually, it is pretty bad for porn, we just haven't felt the full brunt of the side-effects of this new age yet. Everything's still shiny as of this point. Wait for the glitz and the gloss to wear off - and we'll see how we're all feeling.

The main reason it's bad is that, being completely contradictory to economic theory, flooding the market with consumable goods (OF girls) actually raised the price. You'd think that, all things considered, having too much out there would drive the prices down. But, that's not how it works in this particular scenario.

Everything is customizable. Especially the girl. Back in the day, there were, maybe, ten to twenty thousand porn actresses in the world. These days? There are millions. Yet - each one has a very "I'm totally in love with her" audience that's willing to pay anything for whatever content she would release. More sympathetic, I could not be.

However, what this has essentially done is raise the base rate and the base expectation to an insanely high level. Every girl can charge Michelin star prices for her meal, because, to a certain number of people out there, she certainly is a Michelin star meal.

So now, pretty much everywhere you go, there are Michelin star prices.

Next reason it's bad - is claustrophobia. Watching a girl perform with a still camera with her back up against the wall in an obviously tiny apartment is just ... fucking depressing. Bonus points for the replacement-baby cat walking both into and out of the shot. Like - there's a reason Legalporno and NRX could capture lightning in a bottle. Not only was there an insanely hot must-be-a-fantasy type girl - but she was in a likewise fantasy-based set up. Like, the literal corner of our minds where the raunchiest shit takes place, was the layout of these and your studio(s).

The final reason it sucks is because OF girls are already reacting now to the biggest threat to their industry - which is AI. You should see some of the AI face-filter fails from Asia, Giorgio, like ... holy shit. Girls that are, honestly, at best, not joking, a 1.5 out of 10, have AI programs that make their faces look like they're 10s. Until ... they don't. You've never seen so much wood crumple so quickly since the great fire of London. So now ... you're pretty much paying people to act as a body model for a generated computer face on screen. It's ... not good.

Yet - it brings about an interesting prospect.

AI porn will most likely come and decimate all of traditional porn - including OF. And why?

Because of the insane customizability of it. Imagine directing your own scene - and then merely dropping in placeholders. Like - you list the people involved in the scene - the actions performed - the camera angle - and away you go! Custom video in a couple of minutes.

AI has progressed insanely fast - and not only this - but it seems to be getting even faster. Most people don't recognize what a truly boundary breaking advancement the Chinese Deepseek was for porn production. It essentially lets people do complex AI tasks on rather old computers. Meaning the processing power and the need for these super advanced computer chips (and the power they take) aren't really there anymore. Or, at the very least, nowhere to the same degree as before.

The first person to develop a program that allows you to essentially be the direct of your own scene will make billions of dollars. The tech might not necessarily be just there just yet - but with the progress that has been made since day one - we really aren't far out at all. Anywhere from 6 months to 2 years, depending on how many more surprises like Deepseek pop out from seemingly nowhere.

But yeah ... porn is indeed changing ... yet it seems to be in a more of an in-between area right now. Everyone's nervous. The traditional studios because they don't know if they'll survive. The OF girls because they don't know if they'll survive either. And AI - which everyone has great hopes for - but which no one knows when the ultimate promise of it will be delivered.

But that - truly - more than anything else - is the future.

Mixing the customizability of your favorite OF girl with the full blown fantasy of traditional porn?

No contest.

Man, glad to see thats you got my idea, that's right, the industry is changing and it's need to change.

But I don't think thats "AI porn will most likely come and decimate all of traditional porn" - I think it will make the right competition between OF girls for the money, and only the best will survive this challenge - because a lot of men will choose generated AI videos and pics instead of paying to real OF girl.
BUT it won't kill the industry - it will just wash out from it many average and lazy OF girls and porn amateurs, who making easy money now.
And (I hope!) many of those girls, who used to have easy money for years for their nipple pics will come to real porn, because in real porn will always exist guys who want to pay to see real girl's ass destroyed on camera. And if someone will create a crowdfunding platform - all these girls will even competing for attention and money of people, they will make not even DAP and TAP, but punch anal fisting etc.

[hyapet]

AI is very far away from being suitable from something as you describe and still, it will not be something negative for porn.
It will possibly create the best porn ever, pure perfection, why shouldn't that be a good thing?

Because "it is not real", because "a real girl is not involved", because the moaning and the "emotion" in the video are not, as in most of case, just a "reality fake" but implemented from a machine??
Porn is fiction. Its not mean to be "real". For "real porn" there are amateur content and somehow most of OF content maybe.

If AI will create the "perfect" porn, without to be even real, it is only a good thing.

If you pull yourself from this insane idea that "porn is real"

Well, let's be honest here, Giorgio, and I know who I'm talking to when I say this. You helped pioneer the very thing I'm about to mention.

Girl's in porn obviously aren't taken by surprise when they open the pizza box the pizza boy is carrying and see a twelve inch cock staring them in the face. Obviously that's fake. But Nikki Hill wincing in pain as that second black cock enters her anus? That's real.

And that realness - that of the incredibly gorgeous 18 year old getting herself way in over her head - and getting totally dominated by a fucking that she'll never be able to replicate for the rest of her life with anybody - that's the realness of porn.

Even if AI could replicate that scene - pixel by pixel - frame by frame - the mental journey for the porn viewer - the customer - wouldn't be there. They would know, deep down, that it's fake. Kind of like watching somebody actually jump into a river to save a lion's cub from going over a waterfall will be a moment you will never forget, whilst watching the exact same scene, with sound effects, and professional cameras, and a blaring soundtrack, might be something you remember when somebody else mentions the movie name in a few years time.

That all being put aside - AI porn is fucking incredible. I mean, the movie stuff is ... first steps still. But the AI image generation?

I spend often dozens of hours on a single image getting every last detail right in both photoshop and AI image generation programs, which are increasingly insanely responsive. The image quality they produce is pretty mind-blowing. When I look at the work I produce now compared to what I did just a year ago - the difference is day and night. And I have no doubt that in a year's time - the same distance will have again been achieved between where I am now and where I will be then (alongside the responses I'll be able to get from AI).

AI video production is still, as I said, beginning steps, but ...

When you've got a beautiful naked girl in front of you on your screen, a lot of the brain power that would have gone to the nitty gritty details of everything else becomes preoccupied with the girl, so there'll be a lot more wiggle room there between what's accepted as "great" so long as the girl, fundamentally, doesn't glitch out.

And I think it'll be a great thing as well. Even with the "fakeness" of it - what will most likely happen - is that the traditional OF models will sell you the ability to use their face in the AI programs - or - sell their face to particular AI video creating websites/studios. Making a commission off of every sale or use of their image in that set-up/scenario.

The good thing about this is that if huge swaths of the adult film industry disappear - honestly - good. I enjoy porn - I like porn - I'm talking to one of, if not thee actual king of porn right now - but let's be real, there's a lot of damage that gets done to girls in the process of making it. Not every studio - not every shoot - it's not a black and white issue. However - just the nature of the game - a lot of pimps are in on the action - a lot of drugs - a lot of lives get ruined. Again - again - not all porn. Not even most porn. But enough porn where seeing it scaled back and replaced with something where no-one has the chance of getting caught up in that, is really, by no means a bad thing.

Add to this that, regardless of what "modern" Western society has convinced everyone of, traditional ideals are still the basis for actual existence. A guy might get high-fives with the more girl's he's scored with - and girl's may try to wear it as a "badge of honor" of their "modern feminist credentials." But, underneath all of that, comes a lot of trauma for the girls. The more dudes they bang - the less likely of a chance they have of actually holding down a stable, long-lasting relationship. Every scene they do - they somehow rewire themselves into somebody both fighting against their natural instinct, but being unable to utilize and live out that lifestyle when they give into said instinct. It's really quite sad.

So - no - I agree with you fully - AI porn would and will be great.

And, to be completely fair to AI, it is completely unlike any traditional human invention. Take computers for example. First they develop a computer with 32 MB of RAM. Then 64. Then 128. Then 256. And ... it's predictable. Things progress based off of what human's can figure out - and that's typically a step-by-step process within itself. But, now?

AI is going to be working on this problem as well. They've pretty much already achieved sentient AI programs that can actively search out the knowledge its missing for a problem - and then find creative ways to solve said problem. And when you're dealing with AI, you're dealing with an entity that has, essentially, the power of a billion human minds at it's disposal within the metrics of it's own self regulating and thinking system of operation.

Meaning - the traditional benchmarks will not be adhered to. We're still used to human-based AI video creation. Where a man wearing a blue suit in a video will morph into a blueberry for a few seconds before morphing back into a man with a blue suit.

But what's coming next? Imagine a perfect scene - with perfect human body movements - 8k visuals - and everything looks more real than real life. Being able to select every single aspect of the porn scene from a prompt - and then once it's done the video - you can go and request that any aspect of it be changed and any aspect of it be kept until you get exactly what you wanted.

AI will be able to minimize the system power and requirements needed for this - but, even more than this, with 5G becoming more readily available, you'll be able to dictate what's going to happen next in the scene while the scene is being produced in front of your very eyes.

It would probably take humans another 30 years to achieve this on their own. With AI assisting it though? It just depends on the legality of how advanced of a system the governments themselves are willing to let loose into the eco-system. Chat GTP 5 I think it was was given a test run - being able to produce AI images that made what came before it look like kindergarten drawings. They held back on releasing it though because of the truly disgusting nature of images people were starting to make with it - and they realized at that point - better if we put some guardrails on this thing.

We'd already be living in the world we hypothesize the future to be right now if those limits weren't put in place. The tech is there. Just that ... like any money making operation ...

Why give people the 2.0 version - when they will gobble up versions 1.1 and 1.15 and 1.17 and 1.2 and 1.21 and 1.23 and ... you get the idea. With their wallets out in one hand, their pants stretched out in their chair, and their other hand reaching for the body lotion and kleenex box.

Still though - even with all of that - there are some things that will never be able to be replicated.

Like an 18 year old Nikki Hill BBC DAP.

It doesn't get more real than that.