Prague LP studios cutting down on multiple scene bookings

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Prague LP studios cutting down on multiple scene bookings

Postby dap-addict » Thu Jan 23, 2025 6:14 pm

Checking Andrew X. AH001-AH055 releases this morning I realized the main GIO successor hardly ever booked a girl for more than 2 scenes in his first year of credited directorship.

I'm afraid thats not a sustainable way of conducting business. :confused:
Mainly because even if its high fee DAP bookings 2 scenes only dont create enough income for the girls to make porn work trips to Prague really worthwhile. :( EKS Bukarest resolved to a minimum of 4 DAP booking, with a desired workload of up to 10 scenes for the best talent. These 5+k Euro to be gained make a trip worthwhile, but 2 DAP only attract still some big names like Nuria or Betty, but cant be sustainable on the long run.
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Re: Prague LP studios cutting down on multiple scene bookings

Postby xxxVIPERxxx » Thu Jan 23, 2025 6:24 pm

The numbers, and finances are probably one of the key considerations that they take.

I would have thought that multiple scene bookings would have represented better value.

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Re: Prague LP studios cutting down on multiple scene bookings

Postby dap-addict » Thu Jan 23, 2025 6:41 pm

At the same time it looks like AGO may have reduced his scene bookings from previously 5 on average to 3 only as well. But here it's too early to say whether it's just a transitional curb-down.

Generally however problem is that within 2-3 years not only number of well payed porn sex act booking studios went half, but also scenes booked by the remaining studios per girls porn work trip went half or even less as well. :( :mad:

Early 2023 there was still IV, N&F and PAF shooting usually 2 well payed DAP scenes regularly with the girls. Gonzo and GIO usually shot 3-5 DAP scened per booking. That year also AGO opened and shot 3-5 DAPs per booking as well. These studios were partly cooperating and partly foes to each other, but a well-planning girl could get 8-10 DAP scenes in a 3-week Prague work trip and thus for sure take 10k Euro home.
Nowadays it's half and she can work only 10 days per Prague trip. :(
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Re: Prague LP studios cutting down on multiple scene bookings

Postby dap-addict » Thu Jan 23, 2025 6:45 pm

xxxVIPERxxx wrote:I would have thought that multiple scene bookings would have represented better value.

Ofc they do!
But multiple scene bookings have smaller number of scenes now as I just explained in OP. :(

Sex act fees as such didnt suffer lots of pressure. In 2023 GIO proposed girls to work for about 10% less, but offered more scenes, mainly fisting and dildo scenes, to compensate for the loss of income. Fees are still pretty high in Prague and cant drop much since they have to stay competitive with OFy and other work options of the girls.
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Re: Prague LP studios cutting down on multiple scene bookings

Postby hyapet » Thu Jan 23, 2025 7:38 pm

You have to look at the reality of the situation as well.

When a girl coming through GIO's doors was a 9 out of 10 - it would be a pretty safe assumption that the scene, any scene, would sell well. So, if he wanted to take her on a 1 on 1 with Mike Chapman, or a simple DP with the white crew, those scenes would be guaranteed to sell.

But now, with honest over-exposure (that DAP's have become a lot more common), alongside the fact that the girl's getting booked are sometimes not that 9 out of 10, it's really, really, really hard to make a long term investment on someone who's scenes might not sell well from the get-go.

So, okay, you have someone booked for five scenes. They will get the rates required from all of those scenes. And then ... the first scene doesn't sell that well. And the reaction to the second one is pretty lukewarm as well. And then finally, by the time the DAP rolls around, you get an alright selling scene. Well, okay. That might be the point where you break even. And while there's nothing wrong with breaking even (because you aren't losing money), that's not really a great incentive to being in business. You know, barely getting paid.

There's also been a new hierarchy in "what beauty even is." Have you seen a blonde elf-teen e-girl, dap-addict? No, seriously, have you actually seen one? A supple, 18 year old, 36-DD, peach white blonde haired blue eyed teen that's slowly undressing for you and then starts cusping her asshole with a small dildo? That's the competition these days. In turn ...

Girls that are super skinny, have obvious implants, are tattoo'd to a degree where you can just tell they hate themselves somewhat, and have long drawn faces from an obviously poor diet that look like they could smoke an entire cigarette in a single drag are out.

Girls like Daruma Rai, who have that purity aesthetic, and who look fresh, and tight, and real are in. But - they are also incredible rare in the traditional porn industry.

While the individual girls, by themselves, do absolutely matter - it's the overall trajectory of the studio itself that also has a large impact on sales and client retention. If you release a Daruma Rai BBC DAP gangbang only once every two to three months - and fill the rest with the girls who look like they huff stuff out of plastic bags - the studio itself will lose momentum. It's not about having one great scene - it's about having multiple great scenes. A non-stop line of hot girls getting railed while dressed hot, good camera work, and no bullshit (optimally) or limited bullshit (re: staring at a dude's asshole for five fucking minutes straight during the scene).

A great scene will get a great amount of sales. But, there will always be a threshold that it fails to extend beyond. A ceiling, if you will. But, get multiple great scenes lined up, and before you know it, you reach critical mass, and then your sales start growing exponentially.

Like, during the days when GIO was getting by with his shoots, what kind of bankroll do you think Nick was making with NRX? I'm pretty certain that's a scenario of night and day.

It makes sense cutting the scenes down to three. Because - paying tickets to watch a 7 out of 10 dildo herself, or get a 1 on 1 - doesn't really make sense when you can see an 11 out of 10 do stuff just a little less extreme or intense for the same cost. Or ... even order custom content from that girl, and have her dress up as you desire, and do what you want her to do and have her say what you want her to say on camera.

These studios should be looking for a way to amplify the OF market by providing a professional avenue for those who wish to excel beyond their single-bedroom means, while at the same time linking to their pages, and making the content here directly help their content on their own platform, whatever it is. I mean - really - what would they be doing? Saving everyone the hassle of performing the Google search on their own?

Those with ambition are already doing it on their own - take Jewelz Blu for example. Thing is - she's using AV/PB and not the other way around.

If a studio came properly set up to make a product that would highlight and accentuate the individual performer's talent or style - whilst making them break ladder rungs because the exposure and networking would be that good - it could create an environment where great porn gets made - and purchased - right here.

The age of going toe to toe with the best talent in the industry by having every girl come to get banged on the same couch with the exact same set-up as the previously shot 3,000 scenes might be coming to a close.

It's just up to someone with the vision - and the connections - to make the best use of the given scenario - and rise above everything that came before it (kinda like what NRX did).

Other than that, though, how to distinguish yourself on a site that's down for half of the day, and then after your goods are visible from 6 A.M. to 6 P.M., gets permanently buried under a mountain of ... "not as good stuff" ... is another pressing issue.

But that's a different topic for a different time.

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Re: Prague LP studios cutting down on multiple scene bookings

Postby jjwhite1985 » Thu Jan 23, 2025 7:57 pm

Agree with some of what you're saying, but a lot is based on your personal taste in terms of the type of girls you find attractive. I mean, Daruma Rai doesn't do a huge amount for me, and her DAP for GIO was only the 12th best seller of December. A "great" scene isn't an objective thing, and neither is who is a 9 or 10 out of 10 - it'll be different for most people. The problem, which Giorgio has alluded to before, is that the more scenes a girl is booked for, the more the return on investment shrinks, so it's less and less worthwhile for studios to do it.

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Re: Prague LP studios cutting down on multiple scene bookings

Postby dap-addict » Thu Jan 23, 2025 9:02 pm

hyapet wrote:So, okay, you have someone booked for five scenes. They will get the rates required from all of those scenes. And then ... the first scene doesn't sell that well. And the reaction to the second one is pretty lukewarm as well. And then finally, by the time the DAP rolls around, you get an alright selling scene. Well, okay. That might be the point where you break even. And while there's nothing wrong with breaking even (because you aren't losing money), that's not really a great incentive to being in business. You know, barely getting paid.

Thats the studio POV and I understand it.
But what will the studios do without the last remaining - and ideally new willing girls? To keep them going or drew new girls in you have to provide them with an attractive work offer, which is earning a decent amount of money by doing more scenes. Because raising the fee yet more from the already skyrocket fee isnt a sustainable way.
And if you can offer a girl barely 3k it doesnt pay for her to work in this job anymore.
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Re: Prague LP studios cutting down on multiple scene bookings

Postby hyapet » Fri Jan 24, 2025 6:16 am

jjwhite1985 wrote:Agree with some of what you're saying, but a lot is based on your personal taste in terms of the type of girls you find attractive. I mean, Daruma Rai doesn't do a huge amount for me, and her DAP for GIO was only the 12th best seller of December. A "great" scene isn't an objective thing, and neither is who is a 9 or 10 out of 10 - it'll be different for most people. The problem, which Giorgio has alluded to before, is that the more scenes a girl is booked for, the more the return on investment shrinks, so it's less and less worthwhile for studios to do it.


Fully agree. Well said to the degree I wish I had said it. Tipped cap, my good sir.

dap-addict wrote:Thats the studio POV and I understand it.
But what will the studios do without the last remaining - and ideally new willing girls? To keep them going or drew new girls in you have to provide them with an attractive work offer, which is earning a decent amount of money by doing more scenes. Because raising the fee yet more from the already skyrocket fee isnt a sustainable way.
And if you can offer a girl barely 3k it doesnt pay for her to work in this job anymore.


Yet, it's the reverse that's the most damning.

If all you do is bring girls in for DAP - then it makes ordinary which should be a pretty extraordinary act.

See - the magic NRX had - wasn't just the girls or the shooting or the outfits or the studs (even though those were all A+++) - was the contractual scene progression. If a girl signed up for 10 scenes - she would start out with a one on one anal shoot - and then end with a BBC DAP gangbang.

So, you went on an adventure with this girl, and you saw someone that was really new to all of this at the beginning, bit by bit, step by step, get absolutely wrecked in a series of increasingly punishing sex acts. Watching her being unable to take it for the whole journey.

GIO used to do the same thing - difference was - he could actually do it with the (stupid hot) girls he had at his disposal back in the day. Amazingly hot girls who you've never seen before could easily be put through that same (equivalent to) ten scene program - and the journey would have been so outrageously good - that you would continue to purchase scenes with said actress in the future, even after she had already been BBC DAP broken, because of how infatuated they had grown with her during her initial introductory run.

By bringing in a whole bunch of 7's to do nothing but shoot DAP's - it transforms the journey from a seven course meal at a two Michelin star restaurant - into a midnight greasy burger run at McDonalds. Now, don't get me wrong, that burger can often hit the spot, but the feeling afterwards is typically more that of merely filling a need, rather than enjoying something that you will take with you and remember far into the future.

NRX glazed over all the rough spots AV/PB had - and in turn had it in them to force everyone else to catch up with their reimagining of porn itself - if by no other means than the other studios chasing the profits that NRX could easily accumulate.

Andrew's restructuring of Giorgio's system is okay and all - and while it's great that it's adding intensity and trimming down (some of the) bullshit - it's ultimately trying to squeeze the last few miles out of a tank that's almost empty. Continuing on Giorgio's legacy is one thing - but that isn't a recipe for future success, or even survivability.

The girl's being taken through a step-by-step program in the past, in all porn productions, is what created some of the best moments and scenes in all of porn. The anticipation of this one particular scene - not just the delivery of it. Serving as a vehicle, as a culmination, of everything that happened before it. And taking that energy into the scene and running wild with it.

Whatever the future of porn is, picking up a bunch of gas-station hookers for one or two scene pump and dumps, and exhausting the specialty of what DAP even is in the process, definitely isn't it.

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Re: Prague LP studios cutting down on multiple scene bookings

Postby paco80741 » Fri Jan 24, 2025 9:20 am

need to program a fan-based crowdfunding system

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Re: Prague LP studios cutting down on multiple scene bookings

Postby latina-girls-yes » Sat Jan 25, 2025 3:22 am

dap-addict wrote:Checking Andrew X. AH001-AH055 releases this morning I realized the main GIO successor hardly ever booked a girl for more than 2 scenes in his first year of credited directorship.

I'm afraid thats not a sustainable way of conducting business. :confused:

to be fair and pay due respect to Andrew AH, DAPaddict, he's actually shooting and selling scenes full-time and IRL, so it's entirely reasonable to assume he knows his numbers (projected costs and projected income) and has also very likely spoken with Giorgio in depth (as part of handing over duties) about the best way to run an xxx studio in the extremely difficult circumstances of euroland 2025

i know your concerns are genuine (because you care passionately about xxx production, as we all do) and you intentions when you say these things are sincere, but talking about it and doing it are two profoundly different things. when/if you are outselling Andrew with your mooted latin-american DAP venture, no doubt you will be far better placed to advise
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Re: Prague LP studios cutting down on multiple scene bookings

Postby dap-addict » Sat Jan 25, 2025 5:39 am

latina-girls-yes wrote:when/if you are outselling Andrew with your mooted latin-american DAP venture, no doubt you will be far better placed to advise

True, ofc.
But again you are thinking from studios POV, which might be short-sighted and mainly profit based, while my OP is assumed from girls POV. Porn has to be still financially attractive to her because otherwise she'll search for other sources of income with her beauty and sex energy.

Also in Latin-America depending on poverty level options of self-marketing are more limited for lack of hardware, therefore porn jobs offered can be more attractive than in EU even if payment is much lower, while buying power of $$$ is much higher.
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Postby hyapet » Sat Jan 25, 2025 5:43 am

latina-girls-yes wrote:to be fair and pay due respect to Andrew AH, DAPaddict, he's actually shooting and selling scenes full-time and IRL, so it's entirely reasonable to assume he knows his numbers (projected costs and projected income) and has also very likely spoken with Giorgio in depth (as part of handing over duties) about the best way to run an xxx studio in the extremely difficult circumstances of euroland 2025

i know your concerns are genuine (because you care passionately about xxx production, as we all do) and you intentions when you say these things are sincere, but talking about it and doing it are two profoundly different things. when/if you are outselling Andrew with your mooted latin-american DAP venture, no doubt you will be far better placed to advise


I'm really not saying this in a fashion that's meant to be "you're wrong about this" - but - I think we know what dap-addict was at least trying to say - or, at the very least, how the current scenario for euroland porn is looking like right now, and how, in turn, that's making him (and many of us) feel.

To put it super simply (and super short) - booking someone for two scenes is not indicative of either a healthy market or a healthy studio. We all remember the days when GIO scenes would release like machine gun fire - and now, in comparison, these days - it feels more like a singular sniper shot after hours or days of waiting.

We remember the girls as being incredibly beautiful (not that many aren't these days) - we remember the studs being younger - and we remember the tropes of the genre being a lot less tired.

We remember the faucet flushing forth with a huge steady stream of the highest quality mineral water. Not waiting days a drip of ... something.

And as much as we might want to point the finger at Andrew X - it's exactly as you said - he's doing what he can in the circumstances that are provided. Or, rather, he's doing what the best he thinks he can do.

Unfortunately - carrying on Giorgio's torch in this instance might be more of a case of trying to making improvements to the horse carriage after the car has been invented.

The nature of porn has changed - and, despite what many may believe - the traditional porn market can acclimatize itself to these changes - and create something that is frontier edge and boundary pushing in a time where such things may seem impossible.

Ultimately - what it comes down to is this - there are so many symptoms of something that's sick and not doing well - but due to everyone not wanting to admit that something they love is in serious peril - they all pretend that the symptoms are at fault and not the underlying illness.

"Ugh! Why aren't the models hotter!" - "Ugh! Why are models only getting booked for two scenes!" - "Ugh! Why is there so much time between releases!" - Like - people are saying, "Make sure your nose isn't running," without realizing that the best way to do that is to take some actual medicine.

Yet - that medicine can only exist if those in charge themselves want to spend the time, and honestly, resources, in discovering it. They might think that that medicine doesn't even exist.

So, we have someone who's forcing themselves to work even though they feel and look like an absolute bag of shit, and we have everyone else who's blaming that person for not running around at top speed like nothing's wrong.

There's a lot wrong in this scenario - but, as you referenced in your own reply, telling that person to run around whilst sick isn't necessarily the answer.

But, to be fair to dap-addict (and what he was supposedly trying to get at), going to work in that condition in the first place isn't the answer either.

Medicine is needed.

And nobody's even willing to sit down at the microscope and start trying to find something.

So ...

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Re: Prague LP studios cutting down on multiple scene bookings

Postby dap-addict » Sat Jan 25, 2025 6:18 am

hyapet wrote:Yet - that medicine can only exist if those in charge themselves want to spend the time, and honestly, resources, in discovering it. They might think that that medicine doesn't even exist.

Call me naive, but I am sure it's possible to find this medicine in Latin America populated with reasonably hot girls doing demanding porn sex acts for much lower fees being still very fair and attractive locally. Its possible to shoot 5-8 DAP scenes with each girl twice a year and thus create a sustainable income for them, while selling so much DAP videos to porn users. Main problem is security, responsible scouting and reliant studs.
Another problem is a certain still popular girl type missing, which is in Russia/Ukraine with too expensive import due to the War. Cant completely change users preferences, the more as I share them!
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Postby SuperKeksimus » Sun Jan 26, 2025 3:34 am

paco80741 wrote:need to program a fan-based crowdfunding system

Absolutely agree.
For example make "a funding goal", it could be make by director OR by users (of course initiator of the goal should pay more for starting crowdfunding, but he could choose the actress and fetishes also) and others users could support the idea by money and receive the result (scene) after.
I bet, some ideas, like QUAP for Veronica Leal will easily collect on crowdfunding x2 or x3 of normal sales and this money will be the best motivation for actress and for studio as well AND this money will motivate new cute girls work in hardcore porn.

Here is few topics and one with a poll that shows that people absolutely support the idea, but non of the directors or admins answer yet there:

viewtopic.php?f=96&t=86949

viewtopic.php?f=96&t=31708

viewtopic.php?f=96&t=29379

I believe this could be the game changer in whole industry, when you let users to be involved in the process, vote, crowdfund the scene, a lot of opportunities hiding inside this idea.
For example some adult games collecting 100k$ monthly on patreon, imagine what could be with porn industry with those money, 10 young fresh girls could be involved in hardcore porn every month, imagine 10 new girl every month doing DAP and trying to be the best actress on stage to win for example a money prize of subscribers or good contract for the next month. It's unbelievable how the porn industry old-styled in 2025, there is should be revolution!!!

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Re: Prague LP studios cutting down on multiple scene bookings

Postby SuperKeksimus » Sun Jan 26, 2025 3:50 am

SuperKeksimus wrote:
paco80741 wrote:need to program a fan-based crowdfunding system


Here is few topics and one with a poll that shows that people absolutely support the idea, but non of the directors or admins answer yet there:


+ this topic is also about the crowdfunding (cant edit previous post):
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Re: Prague LP studios cutting down on multiple scene bookings

Postby dap-addict » Thu Feb 06, 2025 9:07 am

Crowdfunding is for sure an interesting option not tested enough so far.
However, especially EU porn work tour girls need a certain kind of predictability of their income generated on such a tour.

I just checked the 1st Jennifer Chacon (CHP) EU tour 4y ago. She was new than, but offered DAP. In Prague she could count on 2 high fee DAP bookings, test bookings so to say, by GIO and Gonzo. On top the than still existing Studio PL in Madrid booked her for a bukkake DAP, which she failed in the end, but they may have actually still payed her that fee.
Together with other lighter scenes performed that meant 10k plus for sure, which is a good sum to calculate for a flying-in-form-far-for-work girl. If this sum comes down to 3-5k due to lack of high payed DAP booking thats a problem.
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Re: Prague LP studios cutting down on multiple scene bookings

Postby hyapet » Thu Feb 06, 2025 10:16 am

I think the number of studios who do those scenes being so small these days really hurts overall as well.

When the ladder rung of DAP has been broken, those girls often find difficulty in being booked for traditional, less intense shoots. Many people, even fans of the actress, will say something along the lines of, "Oh, it's just anal," or, "It's only a DP, I'll keep my wallet in my pocket for this one."

Further compounding this is that the studios who do shoot DAP usually supplement their lack of future ladder rungs to be broken by pure gross out shit. I won't even call it porn, because, really, when you're seeing a girl puking into another girl's mouth, what is that even anymore? But - essentially - the only place for that actress to go at that point is into pure degrading stuff, really heavy kink, and a whole series of circus acts that lay on the same street, if not the same exact address, as scat porn.

Add onto this - in North America - outside of like one or two studios there - there doesn't seem to be a huge market for DAP porn. I mean - the market is indeed there - but the studios aren't really willing to put in the time and effort to secure the models who are willing to do that stuff. And when they do, it's usually women (not girls) who are nearing forty and figure might as well score in for one last pay day.

Essentially, this is all Legalporno's fault. By adding in all that bizarre circus act gross out shit into traditional porn - they essentially snapped DAP porn away from being "just a step higher than a DP" into full blown "gonzo skank hooker" territory.

Any girl doing anal or even a DP will be like, "I'm a young girl who does porn, what about it?"

But, when part of their repertoire is them doing a DAP, then it's just assumed that they'll be glugging a gallon of piss, or being spun around in it, or being filmed puking shit up. It's like, all eyes turn to them when someone asks who's got a meth addiction. Might as well just stop wearing clothing and walk around in see-through plastic all the time type of deal. Them screaming at a John that they still owe them ten dollars behind the 7-11 would be par for the course at that point.

And so, the studios who do still shoot DAP's have to rely on a small handful of performers who either willingly (due to their kink) or unwittingly got locked into that genre. And there they stay, shooting their twenty-fifth DAP that year, while 99.999% of the porn model market steers well clear of those studios.

Sure, South America, but how long will the money flow so richly down there before they too start asking for increased pay, or start branching out into their own online careers when the rabid fan-base that knows exactly who they are due to their stint in the DAP market, will actually follow through and buy their individualized content on platforms like OF? Or when the standard of living and greater access to local online marketplaces for various services of all kinds see them being able to make a lot more for a lot less?

Fucking Legalporno with that awful pissing garbage, man.

Not only ruined all the shoots that crap took place in - but all potential shoots going forever into the future as well.

Fucking hell.

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Postby liko19 » Thu Feb 06, 2025 3:12 pm

hyapet wrote:I think the number of studios who do those scenes being so small these days really hurts overall as well.

When the ladder rung of DAP has been broken, those girls often find difficulty in being booked for traditional, less intense shoots. Many people, even fans of the actress, will say something along the lines of, "Oh, it's just anal," or, "It's only a DP, I'll keep my wallet in my pocket for this one."

Further compounding this is that the studios who do shoot DAP usually supplement their lack of future ladder rungs to be broken by pure gross out shit. I won't even call it porn, because, really, when you're seeing a girl puking into another girl's mouth, what is that even anymore? But - essentially - the only place for that actress to go at that point is into pure degrading stuff, really heavy kink, and a whole series of circus acts that lay on the same street, if not the same exact address, as scat porn.

Add onto this - in North America - outside of like one or two studios there - there doesn't seem to be a huge market for DAP porn. I mean - the market is indeed there - but the studios aren't really willing to put in the time and effort to secure the models who are willing to do that stuff. And when they do, it's usually women (not girls) who are nearing forty and figure might as well score in for one last pay day.

Essentially, this is all Legalporno's fault. By adding in all that bizarre circus act gross out shit into traditional porn - they essentially snapped DAP porn away from being "just a step higher than a DP" into full blown "gonzo skank hooker" territory.

Any girl doing anal or even a DP will be like, "I'm a young girl who does porn, what about it?"

But, when part of their repertoire is them doing a DAP, then it's just assumed that they'll be glugging a gallon of piss, or being spun around in it, or being filmed puking shit up. It's like, all eyes turn to them when someone asks who's got a meth addiction. Might as well just stop wearing clothing and walk around in see-through plastic all the time type of deal. Them screaming at a John that they still owe them ten dollars behind the 7-11 would be par for the course at that point.

And so, the studios who do still shoot DAP's have to rely on a small handful of performers who either willingly (due to their kink) or unwittingly got locked into that genre. And there they stay, shooting their twenty-fifth DAP that year, while 99.999% of the porn model market steers well clear of those studios.

Sure, South America, but how long will the money flow so richly down there before they too start asking for increased pay, or start branching out into their own online careers when the rabid fan-base that knows exactly who they are due to their stint in the DAP market, will actually follow through and buy their individualized content on platforms like OF? Or when the standard of living and greater access to local online marketplaces for various services of all kinds see them being able to make a lot more for a lot less?

Fucking Legalporno with that awful pissing garbage, man.

Not only ruined all the shoots that crap took place in - but all potential shoots going forever into the future as well.

Fucking hell.


You wrote it absolutely right my friend. I agree with you. What famous studios are currently filming that isn't sex. Tons of vomit, all kinds of bodily fluids, buckets of urine, saliva, vomited milk, vomited stomach contents, which is then eaten like a dog by another porn actress. For God's sake, where did the studies go? Are they really listening to a few dozen twisted wishes of people here on the forum? I don't know anyone around me who wants to see this. I have been going to SW events and GB events for many years, but if I even mentioned that something like this could happen, I would immediately be kicked out on the street by others as a psychopathic freak. I'm not surprised at the models that they absolutely do not want to lower themselves to this crap. In my opinion, this was the real reason for the total decline of porn filming in Europe. This sent porn to the bottom. Getting upset that an actress doesn't want to drink a bucket of urine or eat another person's vomit: this is where some people have gone completely crazy, or maybe they have internet access in a psych ward. Then we wonder why there are girls from South America who pay 1000 Euros for a plane ticket and why there are no girls from Europe who would pay 80 Euros for a plane ticket.


Why are the overwhelming majority of South American girls filming in Bucharest? Because they are willing to eat vomit and soon also shit and pus from wounds. Why aren't Czech, Italian, French, Spanish or German actresses shooting here when the ticket price is 10% compared to the price from SA? Instead of shit, the scenes in the studios are supposed to take place in the Gynecology chair, in the torture room, in the basement, all in the DP, DAP, TAP, DVP position, the girls can be tied up, they can shoot an anal cream pie, where one actor fucks her for a few minutes until she cums in the ass, then another one comes in until she cums, and maybe seven guys. He will destroy her anal in this way, just like in the current, always the same scenarios and positions. Try to follow this path as well, shoot a few such scenes and see the reality of sales. And not just through vomit and urine.

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Re: Prague LP studios cutting down on multiple scene bookings

Postby dap-addict » Thu Feb 06, 2025 8:30 pm

hyapet wrote:Essentially, this is all Legalporno's fault. By adding in all that bizarre circus act gross out shit into traditional porn - they essentially snapped DAP porn away from being "just a step higher than a DP" into full blown "gonzo skank hooker" territory.

Looks like my OP critic of Andrew X. booking policy is turning into DAP-bashing! :mad: :confused:

It's not LPs fault, but instead of that LP was the first studio platform to realize the high potential of DAP around 2015 and therefore to demand from porn girls to push their envelope faster byond DP.
And, hyapet, you much acclaimed NRX fellowed that path in 2023 by securing their girls a financially attractive full service packet within 10 scenes up to 1-3 DAP, depending on their individual anal talent. And no, they didnt dwell much on piss and puke!

Problem is rather that sales analysis showed especially GIO that wet content sells much more copies than the cut dry content. Therefore GIO added wet, and than Yummy with ex-Gonzo director Luis took it from there and added puke - them not as a mere additional sales creator, but as a next step guided by the wrong US porn assumption of step-by-step progress.
Whereas step-by-step is a pretty fast rookie program at the beginning of a porn career guided entirely by anal training needs - such as NRX understood perfectly well - while once DAP-proofness is reached next DAP scenes can be filmed based on new themes, new styling options and new stories - without any further step needed.

Departure from US porn step-by-step calculations was the essence of Europorn since 2015!



hyapet wrote:Sure, South America, but how long will the money flow so richly down there before they too start asking for increased pay, or start branching out into their own online careers...

South America comes into play because EU fees skyrocketed last 3-4 years and OF took a lot of sales potential. Latina girls perform DAP simply for much less money and as long as it stays like this they get booked. Once they demand much more, porn biz will be forced to move further and scout in new places where a few hundred $$$ are still a good and fair payment. Its simple free market rules - rules not excluding more expensive EU and US porn workers, just supplementing them to make up a mix which is financially feasible for porn studios.
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Re: Prague LP studios cutting down on multiple scene bookings

Postby jjwhite1985 » Thu Feb 06, 2025 10:28 pm

dap-addict wrote:
hyapet wrote:Essentially, this is all Legalporno's fault. By adding in all that bizarre circus act gross out shit into traditional porn - they essentially snapped DAP porn away from being "just a step higher than a DP" into full blown "gonzo skank hooker" territory.

Looks like my OP critic of Andrew X. booking policy is turning into DAP-bashing! :mad: :confused: /quote]
I don't think that's what he's saying. I think he means that you basically can't get a DAP scene nowadays without having piss, puke etc added on, which can't be good for continuous scene production cos it's pretty extreme and niche. That's the way I read it anyway.

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Re: Prague LP studios cutting down on multiple scene bookings

Postby hyapet » Fri Feb 07, 2025 7:08 am

"It sells better," was essentially the recipe for trading in the entire future of the genre and industry that surrounded it for a few quick dollars of the day.

DAP porn used to be at the very end of the line for traditional porn. The last stop. Yet - it was still part of that rail network. When an actress did that - it showed that she was essentially a porn champion. That she could take anything. And that she had earned her porn actress bona fides. A name for the record books type deal.

With what Giorgio introduced - or maybe somebody else introduced it - but by what he continued on and made a mainstay of the genre with pissing effectively did this:

It took DAP porn from being the last stop at the traditional porn line - and instead transformed it into being the first stop at the gross-out porn line. And that was a big problem.

Much like like19 said below - if 99.5% of society saw you watching a video of a girl pissing on another girl - or puking into her mouth - they'd think there was something seriously wrong with you.

Serious psychopath type shit, you know?

And that shit isn't normal, DAP-addict. It just fucking isn't.

Neither is DAP-porn - but, but ... for the average person, they'd raise a serious eyebrow at you if they caught you watching that kind of thing. Instead of wondering whether or not they should phone the police if they caught you with videos of girls peeing or puking on each other. The question would just naturally be, "Is that the only type of content you have on that PC, son?

So - essentially - DAP got transported from being this act that the right producer could convince a legitimately attractive model into doing - into this absolute no-go zone for any model who wants to be performing porn that doesn't look like she needs to be sprayed with a hose during every five minutes of filming.

You have to understand, dap-addict, girl's care immensely about how they're perceived. Being a porn actress is raunchy and taboo-breaking. It's hot. Drinking piss and eating vomit is definitely not.

The really hot girls, you know, the 11/10's? They would never consider DAP porn now. They would never, ever lower themselves to the acts that the 5 and 6 out of 10s are forced to do to get a paycheck in the field.

The result? You have to fly half way around the world now to find girls who are still willing to do that stuff. And then, only for as long as their economic conditions don't improve to the point where they don't have to anymore.

I mean, what are you going to be doing in ten years from now? Be thankful that pissing got introduced to your favorite genre of porn, because now you have to go to the Congo to find girls willing to do it?

Add to this that pissing, in and of itself, is the most dreadfully boring thing anyone can literally do. I mean, in a genre of film where the key ingredients are intensity, passion, and powerful movement - you literally have everyone standing around for minutes at a time - while the girl gets progressively uglier, by every conceivable metric, and then cue the scene switch, because nothing says "intensity" and "passion" like needing to stop the camera because everything was ... what? Too exciting?

Pissing, man. It ruined DAP porn. Straight up.

Or, as somebody else so eloquently said: Prague LP studios cutting down on multiple scene bookings

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Postby jjwhite1985 » Sun Feb 09, 2025 1:19 am

No new scenes today, from any studio. I guess production is down for everyone. The new normal it seems...

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Re: Prague LP studios cutting down on multiple scene bookings

Postby Oscar Batty » Sun Feb 09, 2025 3:41 am

jjwhite1985 wrote:No new scenes today, from any studio. I guess production is down for everyone. The new normal it seems...


We have three new scenes waiting to be reviewed. I think the issue is with the slow review team. It should be a pain for them to manually review scenes before they're released.

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Postby feltrough » Sun Feb 09, 2025 1:00 pm

If its really blame on review team,then just sad if porn is tgere ready to be realesed and buyers waiting. Just dissapointing
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Postby Giorgio Grandi » Sun Feb 09, 2025 6:41 pm

hyapet wrote:"It sells better," was essentially the recipe for trading in the entire future of the genre and industry that surrounded it for a few quick dollars of the day.

DAP porn used to be at the very end of the line for traditional porn. The last stop. Yet - it was still part of that rail network. When an actress did that - it showed that she was essentially a porn champion. That she could take anything. And that she had earned her porn actress bona fides. A name for the record books type deal.

With what Giorgio introduced - or maybe somebody else introduced it - but by what he continued on and made a mainstay of the genre with pissing effectively did this:

It took DAP porn from being the last stop at the traditional porn line - and instead transformed it into being the first stop at the gross-out porn line. And that was a big problem.

Much like like19 said below - if 99.5% of society saw you watching a video of a girl pissing on another girl - or puking into her mouth - they'd think there was something seriously wrong with you.

Serious psychopath type shit, you know?

And that shit isn't normal, DAP-addict. It just fucking isn't.

Neither is DAP-porn - but, but ... for the average person, they'd raise a serious eyebrow at you if they caught you watching that kind of thing. Instead of wondering whether or not they should phone the police if they caught you with videos of girls peeing or puking on each other. The question would just naturally be, "Is that the only type of content you have on that PC, son?

So - essentially - DAP got transported from being this act that the right producer could convince a legitimately attractive model into doing - into this absolute no-go zone for any model who wants to be performing porn that doesn't look like she needs to be sprayed with a hose during every five minutes of filming.

You have to understand, dap-addict, girl's care immensely about how they're perceived. Being a porn actress is raunchy and taboo-breaking. It's hot. Drinking piss and eating vomit is definitely not.

The really hot girls, you know, the 11/10's? They would never consider DAP porn now. They would never, ever lower themselves to the acts that the 5 and 6 out of 10s are forced to do to get a paycheck in the field.

The result? You have to fly half way around the world now to find girls who are still willing to do that stuff. And then, only for as long as their economic conditions don't improve to the point where they don't have to anymore.

I mean, what are you going to be doing in ten years from now? Be thankful that pissing got introduced to your favorite genre of porn, because now you have to go to the Congo to find girls willing to do it?

Add to this that pissing, in and of itself, is the most dreadfully boring thing anyone can literally do. I mean, in a genre of film where the key ingredients are intensity, passion, and powerful movement - you literally have everyone standing around for minutes at a time - while the girl gets progressively uglier, by every conceivable metric, and then cue the scene switch, because nothing says "intensity" and "passion" like needing to stop the camera because everything was ... what? Too exciting?

Pissing, man. It ruined DAP porn. Straight up.

Or, as somebody else so eloquently said: Prague LP studios cutting down on multiple scene bookings


no, we are not getting anywhere

what move 95% of the girls are the money.
I repeat: the money.

in the past years DAP or DAP with pee would provide a good paycheck, totally worth for the model

with time passing, that paycheck increased, to a point that in most of the case is was not worth for the producer to pay it... (but this is not the point).

in the meantime, models have started generating money on their own to a point that.. that paycheck, even the most disproportionate, has become les and less interesting. It's not a problem with the sexual act, but with how much it is paid for.

If a producer could pay 4000-8000$ for a DAP with pee, and offer 3 scenes in a week, he would get models that you cant believe.
the issue is that to pay that prices it's not sustainable

if tomorrow all models would lose their own incoming because it became illegal to do self production or so (just an absurd example), you will have a the queue of girls available to do what they have always did, for a reasonable price.

the change (shift) is in the porn market, not in whats models are willing to do.

the 2 year with covid, with almost no one shooting (except me and a few others) forced the members of the industry to create a different market... so models shifted and created a real parallel industry. covid sure that a process that would have taken 10 years took place in two
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Re: Prague LP studios cutting down on multiple scene bookings

Postby feltrough » Sun Feb 09, 2025 7:12 pm

Definetly,girls figured they can make same money basicly doing solo videos. They have little reasons to go into porn.
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Re: Prague LP studios cutting down on multiple scene bookings

Postby unclerbh » Mon Feb 10, 2025 2:27 am

Giorgio Grandi wrote:
hyapet wrote:"It sells better," was essentially the recipe for trading in the entire future of the genre and industry that surrounded it for a few quick dollars of the day.

DAP porn used to be at the very end of the line for traditional porn. The last stop. Yet - it was still part of that rail network. When an actress did that - it showed that she was essentially a porn champion. That she could take anything. And that she had earned her porn actress bona fides. A name for the record books type deal.

With what Giorgio introduced - or maybe somebody else introduced it - but by what he continued on and made a mainstay of the genre with pissing effectively did this:

It took DAP porn from being the last stop at the traditional porn line - and instead transformed it into being the first stop at the gross-out porn line. And that was a big problem.

Much like like19 said below - if 99.5% of society saw you watching a video of a girl pissing on another girl - or puking into her mouth - they'd think there was something seriously wrong with you.

Serious psychopath type shit, you know?

And that shit isn't normal, DAP-addict. It just fucking isn't.

Neither is DAP-porn - but, but ... for the average person, they'd raise a serious eyebrow at you if they caught you watching that kind of thing. Instead of wondering whether or not they should phone the police if they caught you with videos of girls peeing or puking on each other. The question would just naturally be, "Is that the only type of content you have on that PC, son?

So - essentially - DAP got transported from being this act that the right producer could convince a legitimately attractive model into doing - into this absolute no-go zone for any model who wants to be performing porn that doesn't look like she needs to be sprayed with a hose during every five minutes of filming.

You have to understand, dap-addict, girl's care immensely about how they're perceived. Being a porn actress is raunchy and taboo-breaking. It's hot. Drinking piss and eating vomit is definitely not.

The really hot girls, you know, the 11/10's? They would never consider DAP porn now. They would never, ever lower themselves to the acts that the 5 and 6 out of 10s are forced to do to get a paycheck in the field.

The result? You have to fly half way around the world now to find girls who are still willing to do that stuff. And then, only for as long as their economic conditions don't improve to the point where they don't have to anymore.

I mean, what are you going to be doing in ten years from now? Be thankful that pissing got introduced to your favorite genre of porn, because now you have to go to the Congo to find girls willing to do it?

Add to this that pissing, in and of itself, is the most dreadfully boring thing anyone can literally do. I mean, in a genre of film where the key ingredients are intensity, passion, and powerful movement - you literally have everyone standing around for minutes at a time - while the girl gets progressively uglier, by every conceivable metric, and then cue the scene switch, because nothing says "intensity" and "passion" like needing to stop the camera because everything was ... what? Too exciting?

Pissing, man. It ruined DAP porn. Straight up.

Or, as somebody else so eloquently said: Prague LP studios cutting down on multiple scene bookings


no, we are not getting anywhere

what move 95% of the girls are the money.
I repeat: the money.

in the past years DAP or DAP with pee would provide a good paycheck, totally worth for the model

with time passing, that paycheck increased, to a point that in most of the case is was not worth for the producer to pay it... (but this is not the point).

in the meantime, models have started generating money on their own to a point that.. that paycheck, even the most disproportionate, has become les and less interesting. It's not a problem with the sexual act, but with how much it is paid for.

If a producer could pay 4000-8000$ for a DAP with pee, and offer 3 scenes in a week, he would get models that you cant believe.
the issue is that to pay that prices it's not sustainable

if tomorrow all models would lose their own incoming because it became illegal to do self production or so (just an absurd example), you will have a the queue of girls available to do what they have always did, for a reasonable price.

the change (shift) is in the porn market, not in whats models are willing to do.

the 2 year with covid, with almost no one shooting (except me and a few others) forced the members of the industry to create a different market... so models shifted and created a real parallel industry. covid sure that a process that would have taken 10 years took place in two


At last, someone who knows exactly what they're talking about has shot down one of these dreadfully boring people who think they know everything, when really, all they are doing is restating their own personal preferences, again, and again, and again.

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Re: Prague LP studios cutting down on multiple scene bookings

Postby hyapet » Mon Feb 10, 2025 10:25 am

Giorgio Grandi wrote:no, we are not getting anywhere

what move 95% of the girls are the money.
I repeat: the money.

in the past years DAP or DAP with pee would provide a good paycheck, totally worth for the model

with time passing, that paycheck increased, to a point that in most of the case is was not worth for the producer to pay it... (but this is not the point).

in the meantime, models have started generating money on their own to a point that.. that paycheck, even the most disproportionate, has become les and less interesting. It's not a problem with the sexual act, but with how much it is paid for.

If a producer could pay 4000-8000$ for a DAP with pee, and offer 3 scenes in a week, he would get models that you cant believe.
the issue is that to pay that prices it's not sustainable

if tomorrow all models would lose their own incoming because it became illegal to do self production or so (just an absurd example), you will have a the queue of girls available to do what they have always did, for a reasonable price.

the change (shift) is in the porn market, not in whats models are willing to do.

the 2 year with covid, with almost no one shooting (except me and a few others) forced the members of the industry to create a different market... so models shifted and created a real parallel industry. covid sure that a process that would have taken 10 years took place in two


I hear what you're saying - but if you dig into the basis of your argument a bit more - you'll recognize you're actually backing up everything I'm saying.

Okay - so, supposedly, $4,000 to $8,000 would bring in models we couldn't believe. That's what you said. So, in order to just cover "the model costs" - if you charge, say, $20 for that scene, you would need 400 people or so to purchase it to break even. That's ... not a fantastically high number by any means. For the health of the brand - you'd think that any producer would pay this gladly at least twice a month. If not ... like, all the time.

So - okay - we'll accept that $6,000 is the benchmark to get "models we couldn't believe."

But ...

As you pointed out, on OF, the girls can make considerably more. Now - I know this by definition isn't every performer - but there are more than a handful that can make seven figures, if not eight, per year. If not seven per month.

That's where all the models went. They have it in their mind, thanks to the West's inability to be even slightly honest with women in general, that they are the true 11/10's out there. Almost every girl thinks this. And if, yes, some of them might realize deep down, maybe they're only a 7.5 or an 8, there has been enough of a trade off of their living standards (respect in society (what one is recognized for), prospects to marry, ability to hold an opinion on anything that doesn't involve people immediately thinking "butthole girl has an opinion" (perfect example: Mia Khalifa)) that "making it big" is too attractive of a lure.

It's a lot easier to go into Death Valley with high hopes for finding a ship when the boat your rode in on has already sunk.

So, the ego prospect of being recognized as this great beauty, and then having the funds available afterwards to pretty much live a life of luxury, is the very reason girls join OF to begin with.

What essentially happens is that this creates a cut-off, more or less, for 99.99% of the truly gorgeous and hot 8/10's and higher. They have just enough to be able to dupe themselves into thinking that they can make it big. And, to be absolutely fair, many 8 out of 10's actually have. The road isn't just littered with stories of failure (even though they are the most abundant) but of just enough success stories to make it seem like yes, I can achieve this too.

Offering $6,000 to someone who considers themselves capable of generating hundreds of thousands if not millions of dollars is the same as trying to convince a CEO to stand behind a counter at a McDonalds for $15 an hour.

However - where things balance out a bit on the scales - is that these millions of 8 and 9 out of 10's, and yes, even some 10's themselves - struggle to find an audience in an oversaturated market place. Try to honestly stick out when you're competing against millions of different stores, all selling, more or less, the exact same (albeit customizable) goods. So often, they in turn, will head to the more traditional porn network knowing that, if not entirely made of an older generation (therefore richer) of men, there are great audiences to be found at each and every one of the porn houses still in existence.

Okay - great! So - they're now willing to shoot porn. It's here though, where the model, acting as both her own agent and publicist, starts to take things into consideration. Namely: ladder rung breaks.

So, a super hot model might be willing to a DP, if their beauty won't exactly bring in huge amounts of people with just regular sex or anal alone. But again, it is absolutely here that she will ===NOT=== be willing to do DAP. And why?

Because that act now belongs to the freaks and mentally-precipiced that don't mind drinking huge jugs of piss and throwing up into each other's mouths and winking at the camera when the guy who's asshole they're eating out left a little surprise nugget with the chicken tenders. They won't have a career anymore capable of generating tons of cash when they've essentially chain-sawed through their entire ladder and now, sitting in front of a camera will generate next to no interest.

Do I want to see a chick that already has a video where she's glugging piss and taking a DAP sit in front of a camera and play with her clit for a bit? Chances are - most likely not. And that's not just me.

The ship's sailed too far at that point. A girl who's done DAP can still be hot on camera just doing normal stuff. If I'm used to seeing someone glug piss - I'll show up to that stream with a jug emoji - just for the laughs.

So - yeah - I don't think absolutely incredible models would be willing to do it for $6,000 anymore, or even $20,000, thanks to mental image most of their audience now has of DAP automatically belonging with wet hair and people throwing up everywhere.

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Re: Prague LP studios cutting down on multiple scene bookings

Postby dap-addict » Thu Feb 13, 2025 9:35 am

Giorgio Grandi wrote:If a producer could pay 4000-8000$ for a DAP with pee, and offer 3 scenes in a week, he would get models that you cant believe.
the issue is that to pay that prices it's not sustainable

This is why South American girls are filling that sustainability gap at the moment. And if working with them isnt sustainable for porn productions anymore, production has to move somewhere else. And they will.

This said at the moment it is still sustainable for EU studios to make a mix of EU, Russian and LAM models.

Only way out would be users paying 3-6 times more for DAP with pee.
Hardly possible! Even me at this moment I'd pay maximum 2-3 times the TKT price for a DAP with a girl I really wait a long time for DAPbreakin' finally or at least a comeback.
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Re: Prague LP studios cutting down on multiple scene bookings

Postby SuperKeksimus » Thu Feb 13, 2025 10:15 pm

dap-addict wrote:
hyapet wrote:Essentially, this is all Legalporno's fault. By adding in all that bizarre circus act gross out shit into traditional porn - they essentially snapped DAP porn away from being "just a step higher than a DP" into full blown "gonzo skank hooker" territory.

Looks like my OP critic of Andrew X. booking policy is turning into DAP-bashing! :mad: :confused:

It's not LPs fault, but instead of that LP was the first studio platform to realize the high potential of DAP around 2015 and therefore to demand from porn girls to push their envelope faster byond DP.
And, hyapet, you much acclaimed NRX fellowed that path in 2023 by securing their girls a financially attractive full service packet within 10 scenes up to 1-3 DAP, depending on their individual anal talent. And no, they didnt dwell much on piss and puke!

Problem is rather that sales analysis showed especially GIO that wet content sells much more copies than the cut dry content. Therefore GIO added wet, and than Yummy with ex-Gonzo director Luis took it from there and added puke - them not as a mere additional sales creator, but as a next step guided by the wrong US porn assumption of step-by-step progress.
Whereas step-by-step is a pretty fast rookie program at the beginning of a porn career guided entirely by anal training needs - such as NRX understood perfectly well - while once DAP-proofness is reached next DAP scenes can be filmed based on new themes, new styling options and new stories - without any further step needed.

Departure from US porn step-by-step calculations was the essence of Europorn since 2015!




hyapet wrote:Sure, South America, but how long will the money flow so richly down there before they too start asking for increased pay, or start branching out into their own online careers...

South America comes into play because EU fees skyrocketed last 3-4 years and OF took a lot of sales potential. Latina girls perform DAP simply for much less money and as long as it stays like this they get booked. Once they demand much more, porn biz will be forced to move further and scout in new places where a few hundred $$$ are still a good and fair payment. Its simple free market rules - rules not excluding more expensive EU and US porn workers, just supplementing them to make up a mix which is financially feasible for porn studios.


It looks like no one actually conducted market research from the reverse side - from the consumer.
As I got it - we have only simple comparison - the director makes a wet version and dry - and wet is sold better. It may not be from the fact that people love to see urine in their monitors, but from the fact that the user decides to buy the full version, realizing that the "dry" version is just a cut "wet" version.
A real market research is to make a platform on which users themselves will be able to choose genres in which they want to see the actress, to be able to discuss, votes, see the preferences of the actress herself, as well as sponsor certain scenes with her.
More transparent, more honest, more respectable, more flexible system. We need it

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Re: Prague LP studios cutting down on multiple scene bookings

Postby SuperKeksimus » Fri Feb 14, 2025 4:49 am

Giorgio Grandi wrote:
hyapet wrote:"It sells better," was essentially the recipe for trading in the entire future of the genre and industry that surrounded it for a few quick dollars of the day.

DAP porn used to be at the very end of the line for traditional porn. The last stop. Yet - it was still part of that rail network. When an actress did that - it showed that she was essentially a porn champion. That she could take anything. And that she had earned her porn actress bona fides. A name for the record books type deal.

With what Giorgio introduced - or maybe somebody else introduced it - but by what he continued on and made a mainstay of the genre with pissing effectively did this:

It took DAP porn from being the last stop at the traditional porn line - and instead transformed it into being the first stop at the gross-out porn line. And that was a big problem.

Much like like19 said below - if 99.5% of society saw you watching a video of a girl pissing on another girl - or puking into her mouth - they'd think there was something seriously wrong with you.

Serious psychopath type shit, you know?

And that shit isn't normal, DAP-addict. It just fucking isn't.

Neither is DAP-porn - but, but ... for the average person, they'd raise a serious eyebrow at you if they caught you watching that kind of thing. Instead of wondering whether or not they should phone the police if they caught you with videos of girls peeing or puking on each other. The question would just naturally be, "Is that the only type of content you have on that PC, son?

So - essentially - DAP got transported from being this act that the right producer could convince a legitimately attractive model into doing - into this absolute no-go zone for any model who wants to be performing porn that doesn't look like she needs to be sprayed with a hose during every five minutes of filming.

You have to understand, dap-addict, girl's care immensely about how they're perceived. Being a porn actress is raunchy and taboo-breaking. It's hot. Drinking piss and eating vomit is definitely not.

The really hot girls, you know, the 11/10's? They would never consider DAP porn now. They would never, ever lower themselves to the acts that the 5 and 6 out of 10s are forced to do to get a paycheck in the field.

The result? You have to fly half way around the world now to find girls who are still willing to do that stuff. And then, only for as long as their economic conditions don't improve to the point where they don't have to anymore.

I mean, what are you going to be doing in ten years from now? Be thankful that pissing got introduced to your favorite genre of porn, because now you have to go to the Congo to find girls willing to do it?

Add to this that pissing, in and of itself, is the most dreadfully boring thing anyone can literally do. I mean, in a genre of film where the key ingredients are intensity, passion, and powerful movement - you literally have everyone standing around for minutes at a time - while the girl gets progressively uglier, by every conceivable metric, and then cue the scene switch, because nothing says "intensity" and "passion" like needing to stop the camera because everything was ... what? Too exciting?

Pissing, man. It ruined DAP porn. Straight up.

Or, as somebody else so eloquently said: Prague LP studios cutting down on multiple scene bookings


no, we are not getting anywhere

what move 95% of the girls are the money.
I repeat: the money.

in the past years DAP or DAP with pee would provide a good paycheck, totally worth for the model

with time passing, that paycheck increased, to a point that in most of the case is was not worth for the producer to pay it... (but this is not the point).

in the meantime, models have started generating money on their own to a point that.. that paycheck, even the most disproportionate, has become les and less interesting. It's not a problem with the sexual act, but with how much it is paid for.

If a producer could pay 4000-8000$ for a DAP with pee, and offer 3 scenes in a week, he would get models that you cant believe.
the issue is that to pay that prices it's not sustainable

if tomorrow all models would lose their own incoming because it became illegal to do self production or so (just an absurd example), you will have a the queue of girls available to do what they have always did, for a reasonable price.

the change (shift) is in the porn market, not in whats models are willing to do.

the 2 year with covid, with almost no one shooting (except me and a few others) forced the members of the industry to create a different market... so models shifted and created a real parallel industry. covid sure that a process that would have taken 10 years took place in two




Master, just two questions:

1. If you, as a producer, will have actress for free(already pre-paid by her fans), but you will need to give a free promo codes with free access to scene on your website to those fans, who pre-paid her fee, would it be sustainable to shoot her for you?

You will be able to sell the scene as usual, but guys who pre-paid the actress fee will have there scene for free. I believe that fans could pay 8000$ for DAP or even more. I'm not sure about number of fans (with free access codes), let's say 1500.

2. If it would be sustainable, and you will have "free" actress would it be normal for you to consider the opinion of someone who pays an actress' fee? For example, if fans pay an actress an $8,000 fee but they don't want the scene to be wet.

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Re: Prague LP studios cutting down on multiple scene bookings

Postby fister2 » Fri Feb 14, 2025 8:28 am

SuperKeksimus wrote:As I got it - we have only simple comparison - the director makes a wet version and dry - and wet is sold better. It may not be from the fact that people love to see urine in their monitors, but from the fact that the user decides to buy the full version, realizing that the "dry" version is just a cut "wet" version.

This is the key. Why would I buy cut version, if there is full version available? Hell, I would even buy scat version (if there ever was one) just because it's not censored, even though I don't like scat content.


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