Effects of war in Ukraine on Europorn?

[dap-addict]

UPDATE 1st week of Nov. according to leading EU adult agencies: Russian anal hardcore models are marginalized, Ukrainian models almost non-existent. War takes its tribute and eliminates both talent pools from EU porn basically.

Also realized that all 3 big Ukrainian stars - Megan Ventura, Anita Blanche and Nikki Riddle - are out of porn now.

[dap-addict]

There's a light rise of Russian import girls to EU in Nov/Dec!
Several leading adult agencies list more Russian girls again. I also know of others preparing to get visas to still work in EU before end of 2024.
Let's wish them luck to obtain that small Schengen freedom!

[dap-addict]

At least 10 Russian girls offering anal or more have toured EU for porn work end Nov/beginning of Dec!

At the other side almost no Ukrainain girl really available.
Reason might be some over-identification with conservative values and intimidation in some cases even. It happened before with Kyjv based models during last 10y and that cancer seems to possibly have spilled over to exile. Finding needs a deeper analysis, though. At the start of War Prague producers told me refugee girls had zero interest in porn work. Seems they are right even 3y later.

[latina-girls-yes]

almost no Ukrainain girl really available.
Reason might be some over-identification with conservative values and intimidation in some cases even. It happened before with Kyjv based models during last 10y and that cancer seems to possibly have spilled over to exile. Finding needs a deeper analysis, though. At the start of War Prague producers told me refugee girls had zero interest in porn work. Seems they are right even 3y later.

i suspect it's none of the above culture-war talking points you mention and just the obvious fact that young ukrainian women are far too busy trying to survive, and look after their families (both young and and old) in a time of war, to have the time or energy to think or care about shooting anal porn for you, DAPaddict. and all power to them in their struggle.

the ukrainians are absolutely sick of this war, but since corrupt comedian-turned-dictator Zelensky's presidency expired some time ago and he has refused to allow any elections in this so-called beacon of european democracy, the long-suffering ukrainian people have no way to make their democratic opinion heard
that opinion being that a majority ukrainians want Zelensky out of office asap (60% don't want him to run in any future elections) and for the war to end with a peace agreement asap (52% in latest Gallup poll, november 2024)

but then what does 'ukrainian democracy' even mean anymore when washington and NATO have clearly decided that they know so much better than the ukrainain people themselves what's best for them and their country.
washington is demanding ukraine lower conscription age to 18, and NATO is saying it won't allow ukraine to negotiate a peace until it's in 'a position of strength' (as if that is or was EVER going to happen)

%22Peace talks can only start when Ukriane is in a position of strength%22 says NATO Secretary General 03-12-2024.png (130.29 KiB) Viewed 2522 times

a deeply ugly situation, with the only hope for a change coming from a consensus of nations bordering eastern ukraine (hungary, slovakia, romania), who don't want to be 'saved by NATO' next, and so-called 'radical' parties in france and germany (it's 'radical' for any party in the EU to try to represent authentic democratic public opinion) who have also had enough of the intolerable cost and waste (in both human and economic terms) of this failed proxy war

a heavy post, but the fundamental xxx point i'm trying to express is that europeans can't hope to *make love* again (as they did pre-2022) until they can find a way to liberate themselves from those toxic top-down (non-european) forces that only want them to *make war*

[Alla88]

wow

[jjwhite1985]

The first paragraph is a reasonable point, the rest is straight out of the Kremlin handbook and no place being posted on a porn forum.

[dap-addict]

almost no Ukrainain girl really available.
Reason might be some over-identification with conservative values and intimidation in some cases even. It happened before with Kyjv based models during last 10y and that cancer seems to possibly have spilled over to exile. Finding needs a deeper analysis, though. At the start of War Prague producers told me refugee girls had zero interest in porn work. Seems they are right even 3y later.

i suspect it's none of the above culture-war talking points you mention and just the obvious fact that young ukrainian women are far too busy trying to survive, and look after their families (both young and and old) in a time of war, to have the time or energy to think or care about shooting anal porn for you, DAPaddict. and all power to them in their struggle.

Look, 4 Mio. Ukrainians fled into Western countries, most of them are women. That sure must be a potential for porn, even ofc they get financial support as refugees. I'm mainly talking about the War refugees.

[dap-addict]

add:
For instance Vanessa Hillz (https://pornbox.com/application/model/215253), she's one of about 1 Mio. Ukrainian War refugees stranded in Poland. In Czech Rep. there is another 350000 Ukrainians or so. 3/4 of them are women, half of them again below mid30ties, ie. potential porn talent.

[dap-addict]

edit:
Talking about 18-40yo Ukrainian women living in EU or Russia to be more precise.

[liko19]

almost no Ukrainain girl really available.
Reason might be some over-identification with conservative values and intimidation in some cases even. It happened before with Kyjv based models during last 10y and that cancer seems to possibly have spilled over to exile. Finding needs a deeper analysis, though. At the start of War Prague producers told me refugee girls had zero interest in porn work. Seems they are right even 3y later.

i suspect it's none of the above culture-war talking points you mention and just the obvious fact that young ukrainian women are far too busy trying to survive, and look after their families (both young and and old) in a time of war, to have the time or energy to think or care about shooting anal porn for you, DAPaddict. and all power to them in their struggle.

the ukrainians are absolutely sick of this war, but since corrupt comedian-turned-dictator Zelensky's presidency expired some time ago and he has refused to allow any elections in this so-called beacon of european democracy, the long-suffering ukrainian people have no way to make their democratic opinion heard
that opinion being that a majority ukrainians want Zelensky out of office asap (60% don't want him to run in any future elections) and for the war to end with a peace agreement asap (52% in latest Gallup poll, november 2024)

19-11-2024 52 percent of Ukrainians would like to see their country negotiate an end to the war as soon as possible - Gallop Poll.png

but then what does 'ukrainian democracy' even mean anymore when washington and NATO have clearly decided that they know so much better than the ukrainain people themselves what's best for them and their country.
washington is demanding ukraine lower conscription age to 18, and NATO is saying it won't allow ukraine to negotiate a peace until it's in 'a position of strength' (as if that is or was EVER going to happen)

2024-12-04 White House urges Ukraine to draft 18-year-olds to increase size of military AP News.png

Clearly, DAPed wrote from the beginning that no one should play politics here. But you, a dirty collaborator from the aggressor's stable who went out to kill, can't hold back and will keep spreading your Russian lies here. It clearly confirms to me what a vile bunch of goblins you are. I apologize to all decent and decent Russians, my post does not belong to them and I believe they will distance themselves from this bag of shit.

%22Peace talks can only start when Ukriane is in a position of strength%22 says NATO Secretary General 03-12-2024.png

a deeply ugly situation, with the only hope for a change coming from a consensus of nations bordering eastern ukraine (hungary, slovakia, romania), who don't want to be 'saved by NATO' next, and so-called 'radical' parties in france and germany (it's 'radical' for any party in the EU to try to represent authentic democratic public opinion) who have also had enough of the intolerable cost and waste (in both human and economic terms) of this failed proxy war

a heavy post, but the fundamental xxx point i'm trying to express is that europeans can't hope to *make love* again (as they did pre-2022) until they can find a way to liberate themselves from those toxic top-down (non-european) forces that only want them to *make war*

[liko19]

Clearly, DAPed wrote from the beginning that no one should play politics here. But you, a dirty collaborator from the aggressor's stable who went out to kill, can't hold back and will keep spreading your Russian lies here. It clearly confirms to me what a vile bunch of goblins you are. I apologize to all decent and decent Russians, my post does not belong to them and I believe they will distance themselves from this bag of shit.

[liko19]

edit:
Talking about 18-40yo Ukrainian women living in EU or Russia to be more precise.

I am afraid that the way to Europe and Western countries for great and beautiful Russian girls and male porn actors will be closed or very complicated for a very long time. And that regardless of how the conflict turns out in the end. It's certainly a matter of decades, maybe generations. I am very sorry, I would like to see Russian porn actresses and porn actors in Prague again, for whom quality sex comes first and politics last. And I also don't know why there are so few porn actresses and porn actors from Ukraine, their performances are excellent and for me they are one of the best. I thought that with the wave of refugees there would be dozens of them here. But the good news is that Lina Arian is in Prague from tomorrow, so maybe we'll see two nice DAP scenes.

[latina-girls-yes]

The first paragraph is a reasonable point, the rest is straight out of the Kremlin handbook

referring to the facts as presented by Gallup Polling (a long-standing analytics company based in Washington), a senior Biden administration official (Assosciated Press), and the NATO Secretary General Mark Rutte (Sky News) as "straight out of the Kremlin handbook" is a patently absurd statement

my position on the ukraine conflict is that of a humanitarian and of someone who believes in the principles of democracy and the right to self-determination of all peoples.
and it's as much (if not more) a philosophical position, as it is a political one

from that standpoint it follows that if the ukrainians themselves express a majority opinion that they "want this conflict to end with a peace agreement as soon as possible" (as they have), then that popular sovereign democratic will should be accepted and recognised (above all non-ukrainian concerns) by all those who claim to support them, and steps taken by them to implement that end should also be respected

and from that standpoint it also follows that any third party (countries and peoples therof) advocating and/or pursuing ends different to those as directly expressed by a majority of ukrainians themselves (ie. seeking to 'save face' and/or avoid political embarrassment at the expense of the ukrainian people) cannot be considered an ally of the ukrainian people.
if they are not accepting and respecting the majority opinion of the ukrainians people to self-determine their own course, their loyalties clearly lay elsewhere

two straightforward positions, rooted in humanitarian concern and fundamental democratic principles. if you see things differently, you are welcome to hold a different view

the ukrainians have said by democratic majority that they want this conflict to end in a peace deal as soon as possible, and no non-ukrainian has a legitimate right to interfere in, or to seek to deny them that

not Biden in Washington and not Rutte for NATO. two soulless 'career cynics' who speak for nothing and no-one but their own selfish 'sunk cost fallacy' interests

no place being posted on a porn forum.

threads with titles like 'effects of *Trump election* on porn' and 'effects of *ukraine war* on porn' are framed to invite politically-themed commentary.
changing the thread titles to something entirely neutral (eg. removing all title references to politicians and conflicts) or moving them to 'Off Topic" is something i would support

[jjwhite1985]

my position on the ukraine conflict is that of a humanitarian and of someone who believes in the principles of democracy and the right to self-determination of all peoples.
and it's as much (if not more) a philosophical position, as it is a political one

from that standpoint it follows that if the ukrainians themselves express a majority opinion that they "want this conflict to end with a peace agreement as soon as possible" (as they have), then that popular sovereign democratic will should be accepted and recognised (above all non-ukrainian concerns) by all those who claim to support them, and steps taken by them to implement that end should also be respected[/b]

Incredible Those principles are at stake in Ukraine because...? Go on have a go, you'll never guess!

Nobody is doubting the sources, just the context in which you're arguing them. You can't post a comment that looks like it was copy-pasted from RT and then complain when the non-delusional pick up on it. Of course citizens are going to answer positively to *generic peace negotiations* in a poll, their country has been pummelled for three years (again, guess who by). But these answers are meaningless without knowing what a peace deal looks like. How much land are they prepared to let Russia carve off and steal? What reparations will Russia have to pay? Will they be allowed to join NATO in the future? What reassurances do they have that Russia won't attack again? (Not that this will mean anything anyway, Putin has broken every non-aggression pact he's ever made.) Only once an actual deal is in place can the Ukranians decide how they want to proceed, and it's for them and only them to decide. Out of interest, if your neighbors mounted a full-scale land-invasion your country, and killed countless of your country's citizens, how much land would you be willing to let them steal in a "peace deal"?

And as for elections, good fucking god man. Are you under the impression that a country in the middle of being invaded is going to stop and hold an election? Absolutely delusional. For months the Kremlin has been vomiting out this propaganda for idiots to lap up, and it come no less from a country run by an *actual* dictator, and which doesn't itself allow free and fair elections. It would be laughable if it weren't so horrifying. As of November 2024 Zelenky's approval rating is around 70%, not exactly the usurper and tyrant that you, and the Kremlin, pretend he is.

threads with titles like ... 'effects of *ukraine war* on porn' are framed to invite politically-themed commentary.

No, it's framed to invite discussion of the effects of the Ukraine war on porn, it's right there in the title. Are you really unable to make a distinction between that and a propagandist screed about how this is actually all Zelenksy's fault, or are you just pretending?

[dap-addict]

threads with titles like ... 'effects of *ukraine war* on porn' are framed to invite politically-themed commentary.

No, it's framed to invite discussion of the effects of the Ukraine war on porn, it's right there in the title.

No politics needed, sorry guys!
Effect of War in Dec 2024 is:
10 Russian porn girls offering hardcore anal in EU currently - despite a pretty strict visa regime.
2 Ukrainian girls hardcore anal in EU currently - despite visa free travel and 4 Mio. Ukrainian war refugees in EU.

Why is that that such a small number of Ukrainian girls - compared to Russian girl - currently work in porn?

[isis666xxx]

no place being posted on a porn forum.

theres a thing called freedom of speech

you shouldnt suppress others

[isis666xxx]

No politics needed, sorry guys!

it adds more variety and is more fun

[latina-girls-yes]

no place being posted on a porn forum.

theres a thing called freedom of speech

you shouldnt suppress others

No politics needed, sorry guys!

it adds more variety and is more fun

haha, thanks for the light relief, isis. you put those old fascists in their place!

though to be honest it's friday night and i've had a long working week away from home, so i think i'll leave JJWhite to stew in his imperialist feverdreams (and the comments section of the Daily Express, which is clearly his natural home) a little longer before i decide whether i can be bothered to make a reply. weekends are for pleasure, not (unfinished) business

[jjwhite1985]

... i think i'll leave JJWhite to stew in his imperialist feverdreams (and the comments section of the Daily Express, which is clearly his natural home)...

Up is down and down is up, you've given the game away.

I will say I'm more of a WSJ man myself, though I'm not knocking the Brits

[Anselm_Weinberg]

Out of interest, if your neighbors mounted a full-scale land-invasion your country, and killed countless of your country's citizens, how much land would you be willing to let them steal in a "peace deal"?

As a citizen of one of the biggest imperialist powers in the EU I wouldn't care to defend the state, which is in no way representative of me or the of any social force that I'd share a common interest with and is merely historically contingent in the sense that it's based on an alien imposition by merit of an emerging monopoly of force that retroactively justifies its existence by letting it be acknowledged in its own terms, which by its own admission are immutable and non-negotiable, this may find formal expression in a constitution, democratically ratified or otherwise and consequently making due use of the raw human material that resides within its borders to the end of reproducing capitalist social relations ad infinitum.

If another such entity such as Russia would take the place of "my" state it would ironically only reproduce the same process that led to the initial emergence of the native state. It's a meaningless notion that pieces of land are in anyway "naturally" bound to a certain people, let alone that it's worth putting one's life on the line for.

It's irrelevant whether I live at the mercy of state 1 or state 2 in the grand scheme of things. National self-determination has become such a meaningless concept ever since we have a well-developed global capitalism and aren't living in an era when the nation state played a progressive role vis-à-vis the anachronistic feudal social relations of old nor is there a progressive role to be found in national liberation in the third world ever since it was freed from the yoke of colonialism. Nationalism has run its course.

And it is certainly true that Russia is an imperialist aggressor in this war and it's also true that terrible things were done by the Ukrainian state to certain people in Donbass. These things aren't mutually exclusive. It also goes without saying that NATO is an imperialist military alliance that has been ever expanding further towards the East and this may have had a bearing on Russia deciding on this course of action. Now obviously this doesn't even begin to excuse or justify this war and also often gets used as a deflection from the vested interests of the Russian state by its defendants or government.

And credit where credit is due, Ukraine is most definitely a democracy which some take to be the equivalent to something being wholesome. Which leads to all this nonsense talk of the US not being a real democracy and so on. Form does not determine content in the last consequence.

You can't just pick and choose. If you believe in states and nationalism you have to own up to these things inevitably arising out of this logic of perpetual competition on a planet of limited resources, whether human or material and a set of social relations that thrives and depends on never ending growth and expansion.

[dap-addict]

Effect of War in Dec 2024 is:
10 Russian porn girls offering hardcore anal in EU currently - despite a pretty strict visa regime.
2 Ukrainian girls hardcore anal in EU currently - despite visa free travel and 4 Mio. Ukrainian war refugees in EU.

I hope this is preemptive alert only: But one of the main Russian girl EU porn work importers has failed so far to present January import plans.

Judging from the other main importer plans Russia-to-EU supply will be steady still for softcore, though. This doenst save anal hardcore projects increasingly dependent on lower Russian fees, though.

If that trend is sustained within next 2-4 weeks there will be yet more Latin American girl imports in 2025. Slavic beauty is still in high demand, and fees were overall rational and fair in 2024, but if import is cut by further EU regulations, it's really bad news for porn!

[dap-addict]

Uff, alert was wrong!
Agencies just were on holidays and started way late with Russian and Ukrainian 2025 EU work tour announcements:
Effect of War in Jan 2015 is:
10 Russian porn girls offering hardcore anal in EU from Jan. 2025!

Little Ukrainian imports, though.

[dap-addict]

add:
Now pure Russian porn girl import numbers look good, but problem is in porn sex and porn fetishes offered. Only 1 Russian girl offers DAP, 8 offer DP only, 1 offers up to anal only. 2-3 DP only girls can sure get convinced to try DAP, but 5-6 not so because they have enough softcore work. One part of the problem is that the leading importer with best Schengen visa connections is a softcore agency basically.

Russian girls therefore fail in competition with Brasil, Colombian and Venezuelan girls who usually dont get EU imported if they dont offer DAP at minimum. Also Russian girls usually ask for higher fees, which makes them double time less competitive.

[latina-girls-yes]

Uff, alert was wrong!
Agencies just were on holidays and started way late with Russian and Ukrainian 2025 EU work tour announcements:
Effect of War in Jan 2015 is:
10 Russian porn girls offering hardcore anal in EU from Jan. 2025!

Little Ukrainian imports, though.

Little Ukrainian imports, though.

i strongly suspect almost all young ukrainian women aged 18-21 (usual debut age for new models entering xxx) will be currently be in permanent hiding (Anne Frank style) for fear of the usual NATO warmongers pressurising 'comedian-turned-military-leader' Zelensky and his compromised junta into lowering military conscription to that age

if you haven't already seen the videos in circulation of corrupt ukrainian officials wrestling ageing and/or disabled ukrainian civillians to the ground in public places (often in front of their family and children) and threatening them with being sent to die on the front in an unwinnable war or paying a €5,000-€10,000 'fine' (unofficial obviously), seek them out on telegram etc

and if anyone here has friends/associates of that age still residing in ukraine, you need to get to work on finding a way to get them out asap before this (mooted) conscrition age law change can be implemented

[jjwhite1985]

DAP you need to stop resurrecting this thread man, it just brings out the trolls ever time you do

[dap-addict]

I know.
But I think this thread is important as long as its just listing porn relevant facts!
Truth is that Russian girl imports to EU has really stabilized again in 2024 and seems to continue on same level, but Ukrainian porn girl imports have diminished a lot.

I always liked both Slavic girl types, but I do miss Ukrainian honey now.

[dap-addict]

Btw, this was my OP 2 weeks into Russian invasion:

Porn sex act fees were berserking last 2-3 years, now they might come under pressure. Basic DAP going rate might even drop under 1k for the first time in Prague.

Import routes get cut by airways like Aeroflot cut out of EU destinations. Same for the Kiev-Prague air import route due to war. Will this favor Southern EU and Latin American imports?

1) Prague DAP fee got a bit lower last 2,5 years, but not much really.
2) Russian girls made their way to Prague anyway, but flights are longer and more expensive, some girls have even to stay a night at an Airport hotel in Istanbul.
3) Latin American imports rose, but most Latina porn is produced locally in Medellin or São Paulo - and indeed winning over a bigger piece of that porn cake.