Alarming AVLP porn production slowdown - how to counter?

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Re: Alarming AVLP porn production slowdown - how to counter?

Postby dap-addict » Thu Jun 06, 2024 3:37 pm

stockard692 wrote:Good old times Gonzo and Gio would had no problem to invest some money and bring Hazel Moore or Chloe Amour on LP just to elevate the brand and attract new audiences. They currently do not really care about their product, they are just fine as long as the regular buyers don't care if the girl is ugly and trashy or if Anna Deville's 100th scene is identical to the 99th or 98th. You can tell they are getting lazy from a lot of elements, not just the girls.

I actually dont care much whether my 140th Anna de Ville DAP is something really new compared to my 138th indeed, I just need her DAPs, but I still agree with you.
You see this laziness with girls stylings in regular scenes for instance, the diminishing variety of stockings, lingerie etc. They set for a formula that works with most girls and repeat it because it's faster and thus cheaper to shoot it that way.
Same is sure true for scouting.
But you have also to add the constant stealing of models that discourages putting lots of efforts into scouting. Best time was when GIO still had the White Models Agency affiliated to his studios, once they stopped it got worse.
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Re: Alarming AVLP porn production slowdown - how to counter?

Postby M_sicas_Candido » Thu Jun 06, 2024 3:39 pm

stockard692 wrote:They currently do not really care about their product, they are just fine as long as the regular buyers don't care if the girl is ugly and trashy or if Anna Deville's 100th scene is identical to the 99th or 98th. You can tell they are getting lazy from a lot of elements, not just the girls.


I imagine the AV audience has always prioritized performance over appearance. But Eastern Europe has provided Prague studios with beautiful girls who are also willing to perform much more demanding acts.

I agree with you. There is not (and never has been) a secret to the success of the Prague studios (especially GIO) just as there is no magic for them to return to their previous level; just get out of your comfort zone and start recruiting again in the places they know very well.

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Re: Alarming AVLP porn production slowdown - how to counter?

Postby YumYum74 » Thu Jun 06, 2024 6:06 pm

When are people gonna realize that this site is on its last legs?

- management: doesn't give a single shit about its customers
- NRX: gone
- EKS: gone (only publishing shelved material for as long as it lasts)
- VK: gone
- VG: only occasionally publishes scenes (and exclusively 1v1)
- PAF: gone
- NF: gone
- Gonzo: gone
- LTP: very likely gone
- AGO: seems to be moving towards 1v1 and 2v1 with newbies who are then 'one and done'

The only studios still regularly publishing scenes are Giorgio, Yummy and Mambo Perv. And if these are not your cup of tea (in my case all three, Gio because of prices, Yummy because of the disgusting puking and Mambo because their style just doesn't appeal to me), there really isn't anything left to come back for for a customer.

If someone would say to me this site is gone within two years, I would believe them no questions asked.

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Re: Alarming AVLP porn production slowdown - how to counter?

Postby hyapet » Thu Jun 06, 2024 6:12 pm

stockard692 wrote:Your comment makes me smile (I mean this in a positive way). Actually, France, Germany and Italy have plenty of sexy women, they just don't do porn (even before OF), let alone “extreme” porn. But AVLP's goldmine has always been Eastern Europe. The Timea Bella, Tina Hot, Kristy Black breed of performers.


Yeah, but if you've ever been to a place like Germany, you would understand that ... inbreeding has really hurt them. Throughout the ages. Any of the other European countries as well.

Key signs? Exaggerated features. Large noses. Eyes whose shape doesn't fit in with the rest of the features on their skull. Women with men's shoulders. Men with women's shoulders. Either having no tits - or having gigantic tits that just turn into a flesh flood racing towards their crotch by the time they're twenty years old. Either extremely skinny or extremely square like.

"Tired features" - the woman's face has a look as if it's been the 200th one pumped out of a machine at the factory. It's less a piece of marble beauty and more a plastic mold that's been slightly melted by staying in the extreme hot sun for too long. The women carrying these features looks, of course, almost identical to her sisters, and to her mother, and to her mother's sister, and just ... yuck.

In North America, when European immigrants were still coming over, almost all of their kids lined up at one place and one place alone. The plastic surgeon's office. Because the natural, smooth, beautifully skin-toned beauty of their North American piers at school were leaving their large-nosed, gigantic-jawed, tiny-breasts at the very bottom of the dating market.

So, no. The majority of European women aren't beautiful. The vast majority. Let me rephrase that. The vast majority of European women AREN'T beautiful. Well, more adequately, the vast majority of Western European women. Eastern European countries (like Russia, but so many others) encouraged immigration from the Western Europeans from the past few centuries. That new blood in the pool really gave them a booster shot.

There are towns in Germany where, in the phone-book, there are only two names in a town with 10,000 people inside of it. The mayors go on pilgrimages to try to encourage other people to move into their towns and cities.

Like, no. Even outside of the qualifier (which is fair) that Western European women have better options (and upbringings) than to get involved in porn, that doesn't make a large pool of attractive people in society.

The vast majority of European stock (especially after two devastating World Wars as well, which gobbled up the healthiest men) is pretty, really, terribly ugly.

At least in comparison to what's coming out of the States and Russia. Which is why the traditional European studios such as LP always went to Russian and American women to fill their scenes.

Because they wanted people to actually buy them.

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magizi87 wrote:Piss and DAP drove beautiful women off this platform.

That's just the simple truth.

Go to ANY other porn webstie that stays away from this horseshit, they are filled with beauties in their PRIME.


I agree especially on the last sentence. Any other porn site doesn't have this much trouble finding beauties in their prime (and also has lower subscription prices). I don't think it's primarily a DAP/wet issue. Especially now that so many US girls are shooting wet content, even if on niche sites like Hookup Hotshot (to which I am currently a subscriber) or on their OF/MV pages.


Holding European models to American standards is insane. I already went through the fifteen-hundred years of inbreeding thing before - but, safe to say - America doesn't have that problem.

You'll also notice how lots of studios over there shoot a lot less porn than they used to. It's been something like over a month since Castingcouch HD released a scene. And four out of their five last girls haven't really been all that pretty at all. MILFs are sneaking in there now. What used to be an endless stream of insanely hot girls lining up for shoots has turned into a scattering of scenes released in a single year, with perhaps three to four outstanding beauties between them.

And why is that? Well, because the studio is part of the larger Skeet network, which no doubt affects their production in the same way as shooting for Pornbox/Analvids affects the individual studios under their umbrella. I will return to this part in this next quote of yours.

stockard692 wrote:It's that LP European studios stopped scouting and searching for new girls. Gio and Angelo are just fine shooting Anne Deville and Veronica Leal for the 200th time and taking from time to time girls who Natasha Teen or Oscar MamboPerv scouted in South America than looking for someone new, or paying a ticket for a hot girl (outside the few usual ones) from the US. Good old times Gonzo and Gio would had no problem to invest some money and bring Hazel Moore or Chloe Amour on LP just to elevate the brand and attract new audiences. They currently do not really care about their product, they are just fine as long as the regular buyers don't care if the girl is ugly and trashy or if Anna Deville's 100th scene is identical to the 99th or 98th. You can tell they are getting lazy from a lot of elements, not just the girls.


I think we have to remember that times have changed, not just for GIO or Gonzo, but for Analvids/Pornbox as a whole. How so?

Well, now there are something like twenty different studios that are releasing content every day. All these "golden age" days (and they were indeed fantastic) was back when Legalporno was releasing something like three or four scenes a day. If that.

Analvids as a whole probably asked GIO and Gonzo to back off a bit to give room to the new comers like Natasha Teen and Erika Korti Studios and (back then) NRX. They probably crunched the numbers and found out that once you release more than two absolutely banger scenes in a day - the sales start to diminish. Essentially, the product starts to cannibalize itself. I mean, there aren't a lot of people who compulsively buy a ton of porn (especially at certain prices). What they typically do, based on almost 99% of the comments I see here, is invest in the absolutely top notch scenes that tickle their particular fancy.

So, on the days when there is an Anne De Ville release, even if she's done the exact same kind of scene dozens of times before, she's going to be taking a lot of the overall ticket sales that day. Doesn't make much sense to release anything else. Especially when it kind of disappears quick on the front page. Same goes for Baby Kxtten, or Sasha Paige (back then), or a lot of the performers who have their die-hard fans locked and loaded right here.

With something like more than six to eight times the studios that existed as before, the onus on every individual studio gets lessened somewhat, especially when the new ones (again) are trying to make a name for themselves. Natasha Teen Productions is a perfect example of that. She's hitting it out of the park with her productions. Who wants to release a beautiful DAP scene on the same day that a Hayek twins double BBC DAP scene gets released?

And when there are tons of insanely hot pretty-whitish girls willing to do incredibly hardcore stuff in South America for cheap - then who wants to really go farming for low-tier beauty girl's with an incredibly higher pay rate in Europe?

In a lot of ways - you have to see how the circumstances affect these folks. It doesn't all just come down to the willpower that Giorgio supposedly decided to suddenly throw away one day.

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Buck_Meister wrote:What's that have to do with OF content cannibalizing DP/DAP/TAP releases???
Proves single-handedly that OF is actually irrelevant and a BS pretense for your slowdown

I agree, I am sick of the OF excuse. Not that OF phenomenon does not exist, but I'm pretty sure Czech republic, Hungary, Romania, Slovakia or Ukraine are plenty of hot girls who would make more money from one month of porn than from 2 years of OF. Most recent hot pornstars in the US are coming from OF, eg. Shrooms, Katie Cai, Eva Generosi, stunning milf Serenity Cox, i.e OF was their entry in the porn industry and not the opposite.


If you think girls operate based on the same logic as men - I have to inform you of something.

Many of the 500,000 OF accounts that were created were created by girls who specifically didn't want to get into porn.

Not only this - but the OF label provided, however briefly, a "mass cover" for all the girls doing it, because, well, if there are so many girls doing it, are you going to judge them all? There's been a concentrated effort on behalf of conservative media to try to shame and bring reasonable logic into the OF debate - all of which goes up against this wall of, "Well, my friends are all doing it, so ..."

Which is what girls respond especially viscerally to. Almost instinctually. Community. If all the girl's will judge another girl for not doing OF - well, it's easy to see which station that train will eventually end at.

Not only this, but the imagination of these girls are all filled with the stories they see of the 0.0001% of OF girls who've got enough pay-pigs lined up to fill a bacon factory, who have their finances taken care of for life, and who, maybe, at the most, have a single nipple showing somewhere on the Internet. They don't catch how absolutely psychopathic these girls are - in their capacity and capability to not only manipulate men, but to be smart enough to manipulate algorithms and search engines and different social media platforms and ... everything they do to achieve that success.

"Duh! I can pretend to like guys for tons of money!" all the girls think. And, well, the community to tell them, "No, that's stupid, put your shirt back on," doesn't exist.

What does exist however, is, to a certain degree, the shame or the absolute visibility of them taking two gigantic black baseball bat sized cocks up their rear. That's not why they started an OF page. So, while there certainly are girls that can be farmed from OF, the absolute top tier beauties know, if not their actual worth, then their perceived possible worth, and that keeps all the best performers out there away from places like AV/LP/PB.

But - it doesn't end there. Because, of course not! You also have these girls still out there sitting in their bedrooms stroking a gigantic bong between their still clothed massive breasts - and that's it - there really, literally, is no one out there that's hotter than them. They are at the peak of that pyramid. And they are the ones that every AV/LP/PB performer gets judged and ranked against.

Are the girls that are shooting scenes as hot today as they were five to six years ago? Many of them, I must say, aren't. Some still are. Some are even hotter (i.e: Baby Kxtten).

But ... given the environment that exists all around ... all of which feeds into itself ... holding AV/PB or any of it's studios responsible for it doesn't really hold that much water. And again - you have to take the European/America divide into account yet again.

America is a lot more "liberal" in an increasingly off-the-cliff we're-dying-on-this-ledge kind of way. Europe still has a lot of the traditional values that, albeit eroded by American media from a distance, not really as much as within the belly of the beast that is the United States themselves.

So, encouraging a young nineteen year old blonde haired blue eyed girl who never had a Dad and went to a school that taught them that white people are horrible to jump on a gigantic black cock isn't all that difficult. Minimum encouragement is required. Whereas in Europe, although things are certainly changing, they haven't deep-dived off that cliff just yet.

As I said - there are a lot of things to consider here. Even more, really. But for the sake of brevity, we'll leave it at that for now.

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Re: Alarming AVLP porn production slowdown - how to counter?

Postby M_sicas_Candido » Thu Jun 06, 2024 8:18 pm

hyapet wrote: And when there are tons of insanely hot pretty-whitish girls willing to do incredibly hardcore stuff in South America for cheap - then who wants to really go farming for low-tier beauty girl's with an incredibly higher pay rate in Europe?


Based on latest 2 years of Yummy productions, I wouldn't be surprised if the South Americans overtook the Prague studios. GIO has high prices (despite good performances) but Yummy is getting close to the competition. South American talents are younger, fresher.

I don't have enough information to formulate a well-founded opinion, but Kitty Li's latest complaints about the GIO studio, and consequently her abrupt departure, imply that things are not going well in Prague. Is this bad for business? I think so. Maybe it's more related to bts than to the shootings... Whereas until now I've never seen any girl officially complaining about any South American or even North American studio.

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Re: Alarming AVLP porn production slowdown - how to counter?

Postby xxxVIPERxxx » Thu Jun 06, 2024 10:17 pm

hyapet wrote:
stockard692 wrote:Your comment makes me smile (I mean this in a positive way). Actually, France, Germany and Italy have plenty of sexy women, they just don't do porn (even before OF), let alone “extreme” porn. But AVLP's goldmine has always been Eastern Europe. The Timea Bella, Tina Hot, Kristy Black breed of performers.


Yeah, but if you've ever been to a place like Germany, you would understand that ... inbreeding has really hurt them. Throughout the ages. Any of the other European countries as well.

Key signs? Exaggerated features. Large noses. Eyes whose shape doesn't fit in with the rest of the features on their skull. Women with men's shoulders. Men with women's shoulders. Either having no tits - or having gigantic tits that just turn into a flesh flood racing towards their crotch by the time they're twenty years old. Either extremely skinny or extremely square like.

"Tired features" - the woman's face has a look as if it's been the 200th one pumped out of a machine at the factory. It's less a piece of marble beauty and more a plastic mold that's been slightly melted by staying in the extreme hot sun for too long. The women carrying these features looks, of course, almost identical to her sisters, and to her mother, and to her mother's sister, and just ... yuck.

In North America, when European immigrants were still coming over, almost all of their kids lined up at one place and one place alone. The plastic surgeon's office. Because the natural, smooth, beautifully skin-toned beauty of their North American piers at school were leaving their large-nosed, gigantic-jawed, tiny-breasts at the very bottom of the dating market.

So, no. The majority of European women aren't beautiful. The vast majority. Let me rephrase that. The vast majority of European women AREN'T beautiful. Well, more adequately, the vast majority of Western European women. Eastern European countries (like Russia, but so many others) encouraged immigration from the Western Europeans from the past few centuries. That new blood in the pool really gave them a booster shot.

There are towns in Germany where, in the phone-book, there are only two names in a town with 10,000 people inside of it. The mayors go on pilgrimages to try to encourage other people to move into their towns and cities.

Like, no. Even outside of the qualifier (which is fair) that Western European women have better options (and upbringings) than to get involved in porn, that doesn't make a large pool of attractive people in society.

The vast majority of European stock (especially after two devastating World Wars as well, which gobbled up the healthiest men) is pretty, really, terribly ugly.

At least in comparison to what's coming out of the States and Russia. Which is why the traditional European studios such as LP always went to Russian and American women to fill their scenes.

Because they wanted people to actually buy them.

stockard692 wrote:
magizi87 wrote:Piss and DAP drove beautiful women off this platform.

That's just the simple truth.

Go to ANY other porn webstie that stays away from this horseshit, they are filled with beauties in their PRIME.


I agree especially on the last sentence. Any other porn site doesn't have this much trouble finding beauties in their prime (and also has lower subscription prices). I don't think it's primarily a DAP/wet issue. Especially now that so many US girls are shooting wet content, even if on niche sites like Hookup Hotshot (to which I am currently a subscriber) or on their OF/MV pages.


Holding European models to American standards is insane. I already went through the fifteen-hundred years of inbreeding thing before - but, safe to say - America doesn't have that problem.

You'll also notice how lots of studios over there shoot a lot less porn than they used to. It's been something like over a month since Castingcouch HD released a scene. And four out of their five last girls haven't really been all that pretty at all. MILFs are sneaking in there now. What used to be an endless stream of insanely hot girls lining up for shoots has turned into a scattering of scenes released in a single year, with perhaps three to four outstanding beauties between them.

And why is that? Well, because the studio is part of the larger Skeet network, which no doubt affects their production in the same way as shooting for Pornbox/Analvids affects the individual studios under their umbrella. I will return to this part in this next quote of yours.

stockard692 wrote:It's that LP European studios stopped scouting and searching for new girls. Gio and Angelo are just fine shooting Anne Deville and Veronica Leal for the 200th time and taking from time to time girls who Natasha Teen or Oscar MamboPerv scouted in South America than looking for someone new, or paying a ticket for a hot girl (outside the few usual ones) from the US. Good old times Gonzo and Gio would had no problem to invest some money and bring Hazel Moore or Chloe Amour on LP just to elevate the brand and attract new audiences. They currently do not really care about their product, they are just fine as long as the regular buyers don't care if the girl is ugly and trashy or if Anna Deville's 100th scene is identical to the 99th or 98th. You can tell they are getting lazy from a lot of elements, not just the girls.


I think we have to remember that times have changed, not just for GIO or Gonzo, but for Analvids/Pornbox as a whole. How so?

Well, now there are something like twenty different studios that are releasing content every day. All these "golden age" days (and they were indeed fantastic) was back when Legalporno was releasing something like three or four scenes a day. If that.

Analvids as a whole probably asked GIO and Gonzo to back off a bit to give room to the new comers like Natasha Teen and Erika Korti Studios and (back then) NRX. They probably crunched the numbers and found out that once you release more than two absolutely banger scenes in a day - the sales start to diminish. Essentially, the product starts to cannibalize itself. I mean, there aren't a lot of people who compulsively buy a ton of porn (especially at certain prices). What they typically do, based on almost 99% of the comments I see here, is invest in the absolutely top notch scenes that tickle their particular fancy.

So, on the days when there is an Anne De Ville release, even if she's done the exact same kind of scene dozens of times before, she's going to be taking a lot of the overall ticket sales that day. Doesn't make much sense to release anything else. Especially when it kind of disappears quick on the front page. Same goes for Baby Kxtten, or Sasha Paige (back then), or a lot of the performers who have their die-hard fans locked and loaded right here.

With something like more than six to eight times the studios that existed as before, the onus on every individual studio gets lessened somewhat, especially when the new ones (again) are trying to make a name for themselves. Natasha Teen Productions is a perfect example of that. She's hitting it out of the park with her productions. Who wants to release a beautiful DAP scene on the same day that a Hayek twins double BBC DAP scene gets released?

And when there are tons of insanely hot pretty-whitish girls willing to do incredibly hardcore stuff in South America for cheap - then who wants to really go farming for low-tier beauty girl's with an incredibly higher pay rate in Europe?

In a lot of ways - you have to see how the circumstances affect these folks. It doesn't all just come down to the willpower that Giorgio supposedly decided to suddenly throw away one day.

stockard692 wrote:
Buck_Meister wrote:What's that have to do with OF content cannibalizing DP/DAP/TAP releases???
Proves single-handedly that OF is actually irrelevant and a BS pretense for your slowdown

I agree, I am sick of the OF excuse. Not that OF phenomenon does not exist, but I'm pretty sure Czech republic, Hungary, Romania, Slovakia or Ukraine are plenty of hot girls who would make more money from one month of porn than from 2 years of OF. Most recent hot pornstars in the US are coming from OF, eg. Shrooms, Katie Cai, Eva Generosi, stunning milf Serenity Cox, i.e OF was their entry in the porn industry and not the opposite.


If you think girls operate based on the same logic as men - I have to inform you of something.

Many of the 500,000 OF accounts that were created were created by girls who specifically didn't want to get into porn.

Not only this - but the OF label provided, however briefly, a "mass cover" for all the girls doing it, because, well, if there are so many girls doing it, are you going to judge them all? There's been a concentrated effort on behalf of conservative media to try to shame and bring reasonable logic into the OF debate - all of which goes up against this wall of, "Well, my friends are all doing it, so ..."

Which is what girls respond especially viscerally to. Almost instinctually. Community. If all the girl's will judge another girl for not doing OF - well, it's easy to see which station that train will eventually end at.

Not only this, but the imagination of these girls are all filled with the stories they see of the 0.0001% of OF girls who've got enough pay-pigs lined up to fill a bacon factory, who have their finances taken care of for life, and who, maybe, at the most, have a single nipple showing somewhere on the Internet. They don't catch how absolutely psychopathic these girls are - in their capacity and capability to not only manipulate men, but to be smart enough to manipulate algorithms and search engines and different social media platforms and ... everything they do to achieve that success.

"Duh! I can pretend to like guys for tons of money!" all the girls think. And, well, the community to tell them, "No, that's stupid, put your shirt back on," doesn't exist.

What does exist however, is, to a certain degree, the shame or the absolute visibility of them taking two gigantic black baseball bat sized cocks up their rear. That's not why they started an OF page. So, while there certainly are girls that can be farmed from OF, the absolute top tier beauties know, if not their actual worth, then their perceived possible worth, and that keeps all the best performers out there away from places like AV/LP/PB.

But - it doesn't end there. Because, of course not! You also have these girls still out there sitting in their bedrooms stroking a gigantic bong between their still clothed massive breasts - and that's it - there really, literally, is no one out there that's hotter than them. They are at the peak of that pyramid. And they are the ones that every AV/LP/PB performer gets judged and ranked against.

Are the girls that are shooting scenes as hot today as they were five to six years ago? Many of them, I must say, aren't. Some still are. Some are even hotter (i.e: Baby Kxtten).

But ... given the environment that exists all around ... all of which feeds into itself ... holding AV/PB or any of it's studios responsible for it doesn't really hold that much water. And again - you have to take the European/America divide into account yet again.

America is a lot more "liberal" in an increasingly off-the-cliff we're-dying-on-this-ledge kind of way. Europe still has a lot of the traditional values that, albeit eroded by American media from a distance, not really as much as within the belly of the beast that is the United States themselves.

So, encouraging a young nineteen year old blonde haired blue eyed girl who never had a Dad and went to a school that taught them that white people are horrible to jump on a gigantic black cock isn't all that difficult. Minimum encouragement is required. Whereas in Europe, although things are certainly changing, they haven't deep-dived off that cliff just yet.

As I said - there are a lot of things to consider here. Even more, really. But for the sake of brevity, we'll leave it at that for now.


Wow, this is one of the longest, most detailed posts I have ever seen and read on here. It must have taken you ages to type this...possibly over 30+ minutes...you have a nice way of writing.

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Re: Alarming AVLP porn production slowdown - how to counter?

Postby stockard692 » Fri Jun 07, 2024 12:28 am

YumYum74 wrote:
The only studios still regularly publishing scenes are Giorgio, Yummy and Mambo Perv. And if these are not your cup of tea (in my case all three, Gio because of prices, Yummy because of the disgusting puking and Mambo because their style just doesn't appeal to me), there really isn't anything left to come back for for a customer.

If someone would say to me this site is gone within two years, I would believe them no questions asked.


GIO studio(s) serves as a fig leaf for reality, i.e. the LP we used to enjoy and support is already gone, but the site will not die, but it is clearly rebranding itself as some sort of PH Premium / Xvideos Red platform with 99% amateurship contents.

hyapet wrote:
Yeah, but if you've ever been to a place like Germany, you would understand that ... inbreeding has really hurt them. Throughout the ages. Any of the other European countries as well.


In general I like variety and I like girls from everywhere, each place/race in their own way (probably the only exception being women from India). I haven't been in Germany but I remember the GGG heydays, the first extreme porn I have ever seen, and there some of the most stunning girls I've ever seen in porn were German (Annette Shwarz, Cissie, Kathy, some others I can't remember the names). I've been in France and Italy, and saw tons of beauties, even if there it depends a lot from which region you are (eg. in Tolouse girls are way better than Marseille's, and Florence is way better than Milan). But as I said that's not really an AVLP issue. The website with very few exceptions (eg. Nikita Bellucci, Sara Bell, Baby Kxitten) has always been based on Eastern Europe beauties.



I think we have to remember that times have changed, not just for GIO or Gonzo, but for Analvids/Pornbox as a whole. How so?

Well, now there are something like twenty different studios that are releasing content every day. All these "golden age" days (and they were indeed fantastic) was back when Legalporno was releasing something like three or four scenes a day. If that.

Analvids as a whole probably asked GIO and Gonzo to back off a bit to give room to the new comers like Natasha Teen and Erika Korti Studios and (back then) NRX. They probably crunched the numbers and found out that once you release more than two absolutely banger scenes in a day - the sales start to diminish. Essentially, the product starts to cannibalize itself. I mean, there aren't a lot of people who compulsively buy a ton of porn (especially at certain prices). What they typically do, based on almost 99% of the comments I see here, is invest in the absolutely top notch scenes that tickle their particular fancy.

So, on the days when there is an Anne De Ville release, even if she's done the exact same kind of scene dozens of times before, she's going to be taking a lot of the overall ticket sales that day. Doesn't make much sense to release anything else. Especially when it kind of disappears quick on the front page. Same goes for Baby Kxtten, or Sasha Paige (back then), or a lot of the performers who have their die-hard fans locked and loaded right here.

With something like more than six to eight times the studios that existed as before, the onus on every individual studio gets lessened somewhat, especially when the new ones (again) are trying to make a name for themselves. Natasha Teen Productions is a perfect example of that. She's hitting it out of the park with her productions. Who wants to release a beautiful DAP scene on the same day that a Hayek twins double BBC DAP scene gets released?

And when there are tons of insanely hot pretty-whitish girls willing to do incredibly hardcore stuff in South America for cheap - then who wants to really go farming for low-tier beauty girl's with an incredibly higher pay rate in Europe?

In a lot of ways - you have to see how the circumstances affect these folks. It doesn't all just come down to the willpower that Giorgio supposedly decided to suddenly throw away one day.

I agree that too much offer ends up cannibalizing the product, and your analysis has some valid points. But I doubt that Analvids as a whole asked GIO and Gonzo to back off. In the end Giorgio is creating studio branches like crazy, and even though every night I have three Gio scenes under different brands these days I rarely even watch the trailers. It's more that big EU studios preferring playing safe, maximizing profits with the restricted pool of a few hot veteran performers who have a following plus unremarkable but very cheap new entries. If you ask me, the virtual date of death of Gonzo specifically and AVLP in general was when stunning and best-selling bombshell Kelly Oliveira asked for a pay-rise to Gonzo and they refused, and no other studio stepped in. The message was clear, the die was cast, 'we prefer to shoot cheap contents with cheaper performers but with a faster payback', which btw is what Giorgio often says (even in cases like that, where profit was a safe bet, and you had the extra effect of having a young stunning bombshell as the poster girl of the studio for a couple of years). IMO in the long run these tactics are suicidal (no audience enlargement, the website becoming nicher and nicher, targeting the same pool of 'historical' subscribers who will fatally tend to shrink without having a turnover of fresh subscribers, having soon to face veterans' retirements/aging without having valid replacements, extreme repetitiveness leading to progressive loss of interest, and so on).

If you think girls operate based on the same logic as men - I have to inform you of something.

Many of the 500,000 OF accounts that were created were created by girls who specifically didn't want to get into porn.

Absolutely true and that's why I am sick of reading the "OF ruined AVLP" whining. It's not thatthe girl who shows a side boob on OF will not shoot TAP because of OF. 99% OF girls would had never done traditional porn anyway. Also beyond publicity, only a small percentage of the 500,000 OF accounts are able to make a living out of it. So, even in the rare case of "hot girl X who has DAP potential/attitude but is currently in OF", there is a high possibility that she is one of the thousands of unknown girls who cannot pay their bills with OF alone and would potentially be open to getting into porn, with the double effect of having a decent regular monthly income and boosting their OF followers. And if we talk about Eastern Europe, OF has a very limited impact.

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Postby dap-addict » Fri Jun 07, 2024 5:44 am

YumYum74 wrote:- NRX: gone
- EKS: gone (only publishing shelved material for as long as it lasts)
- VK: gone
- VG: only occasionally publishes scenes (and exclusively 1v1)
- PAF: gone
- NF: gone
- Gonzo: gone
- LTP: very likely gone

Today they fraudulently re-released 2 other scenes released long ago.
They do it already all the time under their Anal Teen label, but now they do it also as LTP. :mad: :(
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Re: Alarming AVLP porn production slowdown - how to counter?

Postby isis666xxx » Fri Jun 07, 2024 5:47 am

YumYum74 wrote:- NRX: gone
- EKS: gone (only publishing shelved material for as long as it lasts)
- VK: gone
- VG: only occasionally publishes scenes (and exclusively 1v1)
- PAF: gone
- NF: gone
- Gonzo: gone
- LTP: very likely gone
- AGO: seems to be moving towards 1v1 and 2v1 with newbies who are then 'one and done'


NRX & EKS were asking for it

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Re: Alarming AVLP porn production slowdown - how to counter?

Postby hyapet » Fri Jun 07, 2024 7:27 am

stockard692 wrote:In general I like variety and I like girls from everywhere, each place/race in their own way (probably the only exception being women from India). I haven't been in Germany but I remember the GGG heydays, the first extreme porn I have ever seen, and there some of the most stunning girls I've ever seen in porn were German (Annette Shwarz, Cissie, Kathy, some others I can't remember the names). I've been in France and Italy, and saw tons of beauties, even if there it depends a lot from which region you are (eg. in Tolouse girls are way better than Marseille's, and Florence is way better than Milan). But as I said that's not really an AVLP issue. The website with very few exceptions (eg. Nikita Bellucci, Sara Bell, Baby Kxitten) has always been based on Eastern Europe beauties.


There is a small subset of Indian girls who are absolute stunners.

Just that - they don't really "shoot porn." The Indian women you find in India's "traditional porn" are ... yeah ... avoid that at all costs. But! When you get to the whole series and sequence of girl's who've shot a simple video of themselves just taking their top off on a 360P camera, it's like ...

Oh my God!

Indian girls are incredibly beautiful. Just that - they're the random country girls who decided to upload something for a laugh - not the mainstream performers who are all ... not that great. Their version of OF, which isn't a version of OF, but more like a series of cam-sites that are all inter-linked, have some real top notch beauties as well.

It's for the nights where you want something new and special, and won't mind spending a couple hours going through sites that are all shady, have horrible links, are full of viruses, etc. etc. Just to then find a clear-named site that is on Google, but never is suggested by Google through ordinary searches, that has a huge assortment of mouth-watering beauties that have been compiled from some Indian guy that went through all the other sites like you just did but then got all the best material and put it on one page.

It's like going through the Internet of 2002. 99.5% is absolute garbage. But that 0.5%?

Exquisite.

stockard692 wrote:I agree that too much offer ends up cannibalizing the product, and your analysis has some valid points. But I doubt that Analvids as a whole asked GIO and Gonzo to back off. In the end Giorgio is creating studio branches like crazy, and even though every night I have three Gio scenes under different brands these days I rarely even watch the trailers. It's more that big EU studios preferring playing safe, maximizing profits with the restricted pool of a few hot veteran performers who have a following plus unremarkable but very cheap new entries. If you ask me, the virtual date of death of Gonzo specifically and AVLP in general was when stunning and best-selling bombshell Kelly Oliveira asked for a pay-rise to Gonzo and they refused, and no other studio stepped in. The message was clear, the die was cast, 'we prefer to shoot cheap contents with cheaper performers but with a faster payback', which btw is what Giorgio often says (even in cases like that, where profit was a safe bet, and you had the extra effect of having a young stunning bombshell as the poster girl of the studio for a couple of years). IMO in the long run these tactics are suicidal (no audience enlargement, the website becoming nicher and nicher, targeting the same pool of 'historical' subscribers who will fatally tend to shrink without having a turnover of fresh subscribers, having soon to face veterans' retirements/aging without having valid replacements, extreme repetitiveness leading to progressive loss of interest, and so on).


Yes and no.

You have to remember - most girls, with very, very, very few exceptions all have a "shelf-life," to put it in an incredibly crude manner.

What are the other people here saying? Well, that they're tired of seeing the 200th Anne De Ville scene. Even though she is, arguably, one of those girl's who doesn't have a shelf life.

The secret of porn isn't that you're watching a new porno every time you see a new performer - it's that you're watching the exact same porno you've already seen a thousand times in the past but with a new beauty. It allows the part of your brain that worries about things such as story, or character, or any of the other trappings of media to simply turn off - and allows for the purely instinctual, non-reasoning part of your brain to engage fully in the activity.

Meaning, that all girl's are typically only good for a certain number of scenes. Anne De Ville's first BBC DAP? Oh man! Her twentieth? Whatever.

Not her fault, but that's just the way it is. Even the Japanese who try to insert as much character and story elements into their porn as possible only really nail it like 0.5% of the time, where the energy becomes visceral, and the whole thing doesn't just get dragged down because of it. It's incredibly difficult to have a meaningful story that imbues emotional context to a purely physical act that could also be understood by a kindergartner (which is where you're brain power is at when looking at porn).

So - what do you end up getting? The same porn shot for the 60,000th time featuring, literally, anybody that's willing to be pumped through the machine. And, you know what? For every single one of us who has a metric of standards and understands true beauty, shooting styles, the history of porn, consumer habits, and the best way forward for an increasingly fraught and fragmented medium - there are the other 99% who are like, "Unknown girl doing same thing I've seen ten thousand times before - here are my tickets."

stockard692 wrote:Absolutely true and that's why I am sick of reading the "OF ruined AVLP" whining. It's not thatthe girl who shows a side boob on OF will not shoot TAP because of OF. 99% OF girls would had never done traditional porn anyway. Also beyond publicity, only a small percentage of the 500,000 OF accounts are able to make a living out of it. So, even in the rare case of "hot girl X who has DAP potential/attitude but is currently in OF", there is a high possibility that she is one of the thousands of unknown girls who cannot pay their bills with OF alone and would potentially be open to getting into porn, with the double effect of having a decent regular monthly income and boosting their OF followers. And if we talk about Eastern Europe, OF has a very limited impact.


I've made the argument that it would be easy enough for AV/PB to create one position within their ranks that just scouts and searches OF talent. There are tons of OF girls that are insatiably beautiful and who take, literally, the biggest dildos up their ass on OF. You'd imagine the transition shouldn't be that difficult. But then - because they do that on OF - they probably are already part of the small crew of chicks who earn more than enough to survive on the platform.

I think the biggest problem between all the studios in AVLP is that they don't encourage cross-transfer of talent between themselves. You seen that blue-haired chick Jewelz? God-damn what a beauty! That's what the Waka Waka series was literally made for. But ... she will never do anything outside of her own content.

Siswet? She's taken the equivalent of a wooden log up her rear. Another incredible beauty. She could do BBC TAP without even blinking. But - she's locked into her own platform and her own zone. The list goes on. There are an incredible amount of beauties, but they are all segregated in the studio system from the actual male talent that exists on AV/PB.

Incredible girls who do find themselves into the traditional studios never go far. Claudia Garcia? That girl should have been maxed out no questions asked. She disappeared after a BBC DP. That was it. Gone.

The entire operation should be stream-lined into getting the best actresses to be where everybody wants to see them. Instead, the actresses seem to have more control over the larger network, often languishing in what amounts to a web-cam show, while girl's you'd rather see put their clothes back on are taking the time and attention of the studios who would have the capacity to shoot some of the best scenes ever with the other talent that's just ... in their own little corner.

The South American studios seem to have figured it out somewhat better - as did the Russian studios. Erika Korti and NRX shared girls all the time. As do the South American studios with one another. It's like, "As long as it's in the family - it's all good."

To be fair - all of this is making it sound like Giorgio and GonZo_24 have nothing but duds. That isn't true. The beauty of the girls who are on those platforms are pretty up there. The problem is - they don't have the heavy-hitter - they don't have the girl who is a beauty beyond beauties whose career you would definitely follow no matter what. The one 11/10 that makes all the rest of the content released on all the other days fall into a place where it's building up to that girl's next release. Which is what NRX had down pat.

It's not that the girl's are all 6 out of 10's. They're all 7.5's. With the occasional 8 to 8.5 thrown in for good measure. But, without that one stellar beauty, who the studio utilizes and lines up all of it's resources for, from sets to costumes to male talent to their best videographers, and then releases a scene that's literally next level, then everything becomes this non-stop slog through been-there done-that land.

Like, it might sound like I'm saying the whole operation is a-shambles. It isn't. It really isn't. There are just like one or two things that need to be tweaked and taken care of - and the whole thing would be working like it's the best of times. They release a lot of good looking girls and good content. But, that's like having a baseball team where everyone can hit singles, but there's no-one there to hit the home-run that brings everybody home with one swing of the bat. The girl that's so astoundingly beautiful, she brings in eyes from all other parts of the porn industry, and has people buying tickets that they end up spending on other scenes as a result.

Baby Kxtten was the last one of those. She was like ... two to three years ago almost, now?

NRX had everyone covered. But now, they're gone. So ...

This topic is still at the top of the forum.

isis666xxx wrote:NRX & EKS were asking for it

you have to be stupid to do porn in a country in which is illegal to shoot porn


Not when that porn (in NRX's case) was the best porn that's been shot by anybody, anywhere, ever.

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Re: Alarming AVLP porn production slowdown - how to counter?

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hyapet wrote:I think the biggest problem between all the studios in AVLP is that they don't encourage cross-transfer of talent between themselves. (...) The South American studios seem to have figured it out somewhat better - as did the Russian studios. Erika Korti and NRX shared girls all the time. As do the South American studios with one another. It's like, "As long as it's in the family - it's all good."

That is simply not true: NTP models went all to LTP after a row about money with Natasha Teen, before that they never mixed. No girl working for LTP ever worked for NTP at the same time. Same with NRX and EKS in Russia. NRX had them exclusively for 10 or so scenes and than when they got no work anymore for Nick they were free to go to EKS. Look, all over porn there is a lot of big Ego directors.
Only ones who share some of their models is Mambo and Yummy in São Paulo. Both directors are Gringos and stick together against local Brasilian producers who shoot for the local market only in local style. I get that brought them together. You may add the fact that when still an actor Oscar Batty from Mambo worked for Luis from Yummy a lot. It's an exception, though.

In Prague there was some sharing, between AGO and Gonzo, and in some cases also with GIO, but studios decided to keep it to a minimum because a girl available in every studio doesnt sell better, but rather worse.
Complete sharing would only work if studios would agree also on release schedule and one would shoot for a vault opened only half a year or so after the other released that girls scenes.
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Postby hyapet » Fri Jun 07, 2024 10:06 am

dap-addict wrote:That is simply not true: NTP models went all to LTP after a row about money with Natasha Teen, before that they never mixed. No girl working for LTP ever worked for NTP at the same time. Same with NRX and EKS in Russia. NRX had them exclusively for 10 or so scenes and than when they got no work anymore for Nick they were free to go to EKS. Look, all over porn there is a lot of big Ego directors.
Only ones who share some of their models is Mambo and Yummy in São Paulo. Both directors are Gringos and stick together against local Brasilian producers who shoot for the local market only in local style. I get that brought them together. You may add the fact that when still an actor Oscar Batty from Mambo worked for Luis from Yummy a lot. It's an exception, though.

In Prague there was some sharing, between AGO and Gonzo, and in some cases also with GIO, but studios decided to keep it to a minimum because a girl available in every studio doesnt sell better, but rather worse.
Complete sharing would only work if studios would agree also on release schedule and one would shoot for a vault opened only half a year or so after the other released that girls scenes.


I see. I must be remembering things wrong. Thank you dap-addict for the correction.

The point I was trying to make, albeit my example for this seems to have fallen through, is that I see a lot of the girls shooting rather ... straight-forward content for the larger AV/PB family, solo web-cam or at most a single (not really that large sized) man, and, well, that's it.

And there are some true beauties there. But, all it does is highlight the fact that the girl's shooting the more traditional AV/PB style porn aren't on that same level, necessarily, and while there certainly is nothing wrong with them at all from a beauty perspective, it doesn't really ... get your engines going in the same way.

So, the site in many ways becomes this gigantic cock-tease. You've got the true beauties shooting the most basic porn, and the ones you don't really care that much about shooting the more challenging and degrading stuff. Then you've got the tried-and-tested been-doing-this-for-years roster of girls who, realistically, are shooting the same scene for the twentieth time already, and the whole thing becomes ...

Kind of stuck in a rut. I know that they're doing what they can, but, lots of days, I look over the list of newest released scenes, and I don't check a single preview anymore. And it's not that it's bad, or that the girls are all horrible or anything like that, but there just ... isn't that one girl who leads the pack anymore. Rebel Rhyder and Anne De Ville do everything they can and have become the defacto leaders of the entire enterprise, but that's just it, the word "defacto." That there is no one else coming up the pipe that can challenge them for that position. Or even wants to.

Those who are interesting and have some potential, like a Petite Pixie, release a scene or two and then disappear.

The whole thing comes off like a gigantic shrug in many ways. I don't want to lump that in on everyone producing for the old brands, but I find it somewhat hard to believe there isn't a single girl out there that can be properly outfitted to look like a complete knock-out (good make up and wardrobe selection) and produce some really tantalizing and delicious new work.

I got so excited when Claudia Garcia came around. Like - someone that's just a true natural beauty. The new age Taylee Wood. And then ... nothing. Is it that hard to write out a ten scene contract that includes all the breaking ladder steps? Is it impossible to get girls to sign on? I mean, it can't be that impossible.

I mean, if the best one can hope for is getting a single 8 to shoot a DP once a month, that isn't really what I call "trying to keep the business alive."

If it wasn't for Natasha Teen and the other South American studios, AV/PB's front page would be pretty bare on most days.

I'm really not trying to beat up on anybody here. I'm more frustrated with them than I am at them. But, still ...

AV/PB is known as having the leader content for, not even "extreme" porn, but just for anything more than single penetration porn. Which, for many is in itself a turn off, but for most, that's the true purpose of porn to begin with. To do the fantastical. You don't go to the circus to watch a clown juggle three balls. You go to watch him juggle eight. That's the point. The spectacle of the whole thing. Most people prefer the heavier stuff.

What are we looking at here, between the decreased output from all traditional studios, and no new true visionary producers coming about?

Is this the collapse of the porn industry?

Who would've ever thought such a thing possible at any time in the past ...

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Postby paobroncix01 » Fri Jun 07, 2024 3:34 pm

YumYum74 wrote:When are people gonna realize that this site is on its last legs?

- management: doesn't give a single shit about its customers
- NRX: gone
- EKS: gone (only publishing shelved material for as long as it lasts)
- VK: gone
- VG: only occasionally publishes scenes (and exclusively 1v1)
- PAF: gone
- NF: gone
- Gonzo: gone
- LTP: very likely gone
- AGO: seems to be moving towards 1v1 and 2v1 with newbies who are then 'one and done'


EKS announced to be back soon, its still all from the shelf?

I do not really understand why AGO is doing so much 1v1 lately. I would think, dont change a winning formula.

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hyapet wrote:I got so excited when Claudia Garcia came around. Like - someone that's just a true natural beauty. The new age Taylee Wood. And then ... nothing. Is it that hard to write out a ten scene contract that includes all the breaking ladder steps? Is it impossible to get girls to sign on? I mean, it can't be that impossible.

Well, obviously Claudia Garcia (her alleged 1st scene in Prague here: https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/1211359) couldn't dap and that was it.
10 scene step-by-step contracts up to DAPbreakin' NRX could get signed because its Russia, but a Spanish girl has lots of other options to earn a good income outside sex work.
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Postby hyapet » Sat Jun 08, 2024 9:51 am

dap-addict wrote:
hyapet wrote:I got so excited when Claudia Garcia came around. Like - someone that's just a true natural beauty. The new age Taylee Wood. And then ... nothing. Is it that hard to write out a ten scene contract that includes all the breaking ladder steps? Is it impossible to get girls to sign on? I mean, it can't be that impossible.

Well, obviously Claudia Garcia (her alleged 1st scene in Prague here: https://pornbox.com/application/watch-page/1211359) couldn't dap and that was it.
10 scene step-by-step contracts up to DAPbreakin' NRX could get signed because its Russia, but a Spanish girl has lots of other options to earn a good income outside sex work.


Why would she DAP break in her first scene? She had a BBC DP - and the girl is built big - so she could obviously do it.

The ladder steps each have individual worth - and the girl knows she's going to get top dollar for each one. Which is smart. But the "work" she'll find outside of porn is like ... what? She's going to become a lawyer or something?

"Here's your attorney, her name is Claudia."

"Wait a minute ... didn't she do porn?"

"That's alright - she didn't DAP break - so she brings no negative connotations with her to the firm."

Yeah - it's money at the end of the day. And it is indeed a business. But when you get a girl who's willing to do BBC DP - then just leaving it hanging there - is nothing but cruel to the audience. Worse, it gets them accustomed to you not delivering.

Like - will it happen sometimes? Sure. But there are certain girls you just need to make go through the ladder steps. I know everyone has their idea of who those should be, but obviously the ones with either a natural, cute, innocent, or lush look should get the preference. Instead, the ones we get are increasingly either flat, filled with plastic, 40+ years old, or look ... odd.

I mean - what happened? There are almost two DAP scenes released every day. Between Alexxa Vice, Rebel Rhyder, Anne De Ville, and a couple others - that accounts for like 95% of them from the traditional studios.

Shouldn't the objective be to go out and shoot the most amazing porn possible with the most beautiful girls possible? Easier said than done - and I can understand there are a number of hurdles in the way - but everything as it exists now feels like ... filler episodes. Where the plot doesn't come out - no character development happens - everyone just goes out on a one-off and has a "little adventure."

Not breaking any new ground. Not doing anything daring. Simply ... phoning it in.

And then they find someone new. And is she the most gorgeous girl ever? No. But that's alright. She does a single anal scene. She does a DP. And then she disappears forever. And it's like ...

Fuck ...

Hey, but to make up for it, here's Rebel Rhyder doing two DAP scenes today! And one of them is with Anne De Ville! And it's like ...

Auuuuuuughhhhh!

And not in the good way.

Nothing against Rebel or Anne - they are absolutely peak in every imaginable way - but you can get kind of tired of seeing a new scene from them every two days.

And I know things are tough out there. But this is all just so ...

They're beyond fortunate they've got Natasha Teen and the South American studios serving the exquisite dishes they have been for the entirety of this year. Without them ...

I wouldn't be surprised if the "Out of Business" sign would be hanging on the front door.

And that - from people who've been producing porn for (probably) over two decades?

Not good. :(

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Postby davidizzawsome » Mon Jun 10, 2024 1:15 am

just PLEASE PLEASE book actual women instead of anorexic teens. stop baiting to pedos

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Postby ArcanaCaelestia » Fri Oct 11, 2024 7:10 am

Happy zero releases day! :(
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Postby dap-addict » Fri Oct 11, 2024 7:18 am

:(
A sad day indeed!
Also yesterday there was just and only 1 DAP. :mad: :(
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Re: Alarming AVLP porn production slowdown - how to counter?

Postby jjwhite1985 » Fri Oct 11, 2024 9:36 am

Was waiting for someone to say this. Zero releases, sign of the times eh

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Re: Alarming AVLP porn production slowdown - how to counter?

Postby feltrough » Fri Oct 11, 2024 10:53 pm

slow days are more and more common, sad times indeed.
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Re: Alarming AVLP porn production slowdown - how to counter?

Postby dap-addict » Fri Oct 11, 2024 10:59 pm

Once GIO/AH completely dies - and a lot looks like it does :( :( :( - there will be more and more re-release days.

Andrew X. just seems to have filmed the girls Giorgio booked, but he didnt book new girls, at least it seems like that. Also Marco Nero and/or Luca Ferrero didnt come up with an initiative, also others previously filming 1on1 scenes in GIO studio place didnt.
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Re: Alarming AVLP porn production slowdown - how to counter?

Postby jjwhite1985 » Sat Oct 12, 2024 11:10 am

Looks like today will just be another re-release, an old Julia North scene this time. In fact GIO's website is showing re-releases today, 17th, 27th and 29th, so those are days we're guaranteed to not get any new GIO/AH scenes.

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Re: Alarming AVLP porn production slowdown - how to counter?

Postby feltrough » Sat Oct 12, 2024 3:16 pm

slow death and what we are left with in end is AGO push for pussy only content and few stuff from latin studios and EKS
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Re: Alarming AVLP porn production slowdown - how to counter?

Postby jzabel19571964 » Sat Oct 12, 2024 4:49 pm

Even the Latin studios seem to be in trouble. NatashaTeenFilms and the Lancelot Styles studio are releasing less and less lately and are using the same few actresses for almost all of their scenes. We haven't seen Camila Cooper, Elina Sansd, Katherin Moore, Ruby Walker, or the Hayek twins for several weeks to months.

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Re: Alarming AVLP porn production slowdown - how to counter?

Postby feltrough » Sat Oct 12, 2024 7:15 pm

jzabel19571964 wrote:Even the Latin studios seem to be in trouble. NatashaTeenFilms and the Lancelot Styles studio are releasing less and less lately and are using the same few actresses for almost all of their scenes. We haven't seen Camila Cooper, Elina Sansd, Katherin Moore, Ruby Walker, or the Hayek twins for several weeks to months.

you are right if this continues everything we liked will slowly fail and die
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Re: Alarming AVLP porn production slowdown - how to counter?

Postby dap-addict » Sun Oct 13, 2024 6:58 am

feltrough wrote:
jzabel19571964 wrote:Even the Latin studios seem to be in trouble. NatashaTeenFilms and the Lancelot Styles studio are releasing less and less lately and are using the same few actresses for almost all of their scenes. We haven't seen Camila Cooper, Elina Sansd, Katherin Moore, Ruby Walker, or the Hayek twins for several weeks to months.

you are right if this continues everything we liked will slowly fail and die

Brasil is still booming - at least sort of.
And I bet Argentina will become a new porn production base.
Also there are signs of hope for Russia to recover after police raids on NRX and EKS.
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Re: Alarming AVLP porn production slowdown - how to counter?

Postby Destroyherass » Sun Oct 13, 2024 12:41 pm

jzabel19571964 wrote:Even the Latin studios seem to be in trouble. NatashaTeenFilms and the Lancelot Styles studio are releasing less and less lately and are using the same few actresses for almost all of their scenes. We haven't seen Camila Cooper, Elina Sansd, Katherin Moore, Ruby Walker, or the Hayek twins for several weeks to months.


NT and Lancelot, EKS were carryjng the torch after Gio left. Sad to see the slowdown. We need new fresh girls for balls deep anal every day.
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Re: Alarming AVLP porn production slowdown - how to counter?

Postby hjohjole » Sun Oct 13, 2024 10:26 pm

dap-addict wrote:Also there are signs of hope for Russia to recover after police raids on NRX and EKS.


The latest Sofa Weber scene by Nick Morris might be a sign of things to come. Someone is bound to step up and fill the vacuum left by NRX and EKS.

But then how long before the police comes knocking on the door again?
They obviously have left the vast majority of Russian producers alone for a very long time. The only thing that made NRX and EKS stand out was more hardcore gang bang oriented content. Was this why they where singled out?
If so any predecessor to NRX and EKS may be at risk for an unpleasant encounter with Russian law enforcement.

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Re: Alarming AVLP porn production slowdown - how to counter?

Postby Anselm_Weinberg » Sun Oct 13, 2024 10:37 pm

hjohjole wrote:The only thing that made NRX and EKS stand out was more hardcore gang bang oriented content. Was this why they where singled out?


It's the old story of someone ratting out someone else and then having things turn on themselves and in the process paying a dear price for it. That Nick Whitehard is a despicable person not just for this but also for what he has done to Evelina Darling among other things. Got what was coming for him. Good riddance.

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Re: Alarming AVLP porn production slowdown - how to counter?

Postby dap-addict » Mon Oct 14, 2024 7:39 am

hjohjole wrote:But then how long before the police comes knocking on the door again?

Residential campaign is over for next 3 1/2y.
Also police raids were instigated by Nick NRX and not police itself. If remaining studios coop instead of fighting and canibalizing each other that shouldn't repeat.
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Re: Alarming AVLP porn production slowdown - how to counter?

Postby suwasantoonnok1150 » Mon Oct 14, 2024 8:10 pm

Anselm_Weinberg wrote:
hjohjole wrote:The only thing that made NRX and EKS stand out was more hardcore gang bang oriented content. Was this why they where singled out?

What did Nick do to Everina darling?
It's the old story of someone ratting out someone else and then having things turn on themselves and in the process paying a dear price for it. That Nick Whitehard is a despicable person not just for this but also for what he has done to Evelina Darling among other things. Got what was coming for him. Good riddance.

erikakorti24 wrote:Hello everyone) I'm glad that you are discussing my trips and raids around my studio. I will explain. The studio NRX sent the police to us, yes, it's true. They were unfair to three studios: mine, Amanda Clarke and Arthur. They decided to work dishonestly and dishonestly, and they themselves paid for it. I'm doing well now, thanks to my fans and the people who supported me and support me now. Thanks to my team, who did not abandon me in a difficult situation and together we emerged victorious. And I can easily go on a trip to Europe, my travel is not closed and I am Ukrainian. So don't worry, I'm fine. I love everyone, I hug them with kisses. If you know something, do not write what is not true.


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Re: Alarming AVLP porn production slowdown - how to counter?

Postby hjohjole » Mon Oct 14, 2024 10:07 pm

dap-addict wrote:
Also police raids were instigated by Nick NRX and not police itself.


I dont doubt that Nick reported his competitors to the police. But has that really never happened before?
Russian porn producers have been operating undisturbed for well over a decade before this. If porn production is illegal then how come no reports leading to police action in all that time?

Was there really no bitter rivalry's before this? No disgruntled models or agents? No conservative religious people or feminists that made a report on any of the studios? Really?

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Re: Alarming AVLP porn production slowdown - how to counter?

Postby suwasantoonnok1150 » Tue Oct 15, 2024 9:07 am

hjohjole wrote:
dap-addict wrote:
Also police raids were instigated by Nick NRX and not police itself.


I dont doubt that Nick reported his competitors to the police. But has that really never happened before?
Russian porn producers have been operating undisturbed for well over a decade before this. If porn production is illegal then how come no reports leading to police action in all that time?

Was there really no bitter rivalry's before this? No disgruntled models or agents? No conservative religious people or feminists that made a report on any of the studios? Really?

What did Nick do to Everina darling?

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Re: Alarming AVLP porn production slowdown - how to counter?

Postby Valdor869 » Wed Oct 16, 2024 8:12 pm

jzabel19571964 wrote:Even the Latin studios seem to be in trouble. NatashaTeenFilms and the Lancelot Styles studio are releasing less and less lately and are using the same few actresses for almost all of their scenes. We haven't seen Camila Cooper, Elina Sansd, Katherin Moore, Ruby Walker, or the Hayek twins for several weeks to months.


I’m a huge fan of the girls you mentioned along with Jana Red. I don’t understand what is going on at all. They all just seemed to stop when they were just getting better and better in every scene and able to handle more and more cock. It wouldn’t be quite so bad if they had been replaced with girls of the same quality but most have not been close in my opinion. For me the highlight has always been the skinny/petite girls getting their asses trashed.
No new scenes for 10 days now on NatashaTeenFilms and 8 days for Lancelot…
Does anyone with inside knowledge know what the hell is going on?

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